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- Kelgann, on 10/17/2007, -32/+117Is this honestly surprising to anyone? Seriously. This guy is a total nut.
- DirtySnachez, on 10/11/2007, -6/+63..but Manhunt 2 got banned.. shouldn't the violence have stopped already.
- Godwhacker, on 10/11/2007, -10/+47I don't know if this stuff is true, but it should be looked into further. Things like this have been going on in Florida and a teen was even beaten to death and they even tried to cover it up with a fake coroners report. The source is not the best, but I've seen this MO before.
- asdfuiop, on 10/11/2007, -7/+28http://www.reason.com/news/show/121088.html
A lot more legitimate than a link to somethingaweful forums... - rochester, on 10/11/2007, -10/+30I love smear campaigns! I heard one of Obama's garbage men had a meth problem. "Obama linked to a drug habit"....
- fpssledge, on 10/11/2007, -13/+32Just to add some clarification, Romney is not directly involved in this. At least, I didn't see anywhere in the article that indicated it. He just has people working for it that are directly involved.
You have to be really careful when it comes to things like these camps. Teens might be exactly the same as they went in, hence, the lawsuits. They might portray their experiences their way out of proportion in order to win their lawsuit. I'm not saying this is how it is, I'm just saying be careful about it. I was all ready to have a hate-Romney day today because of this article until I started actually reading the article.
I know a kid who went to one of these kind of teen rehabilitation camps (whatever the proper term is). They are meant to be tough on you. It's no stroll in the park. Alot of the kids there really need some tough love as well. Again, you really need to be careful in how you view this kind of thing. - garryw, on 10/11/2007, -15/+301. The title "Torture Camps" is propaganda. Why the hell would people create torture camps then expect the parents to pay for it?
2. This has nothing to do with Mitt. How is he responsible? - Ninnux, on 10/11/2007, -9/+23Reminds me of the Army....awwww, the memories.
- hipnerd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12"Yes on Torture Enhanced Interrogation Techniques and while you're at it, Double Guantanamo!"
-Mitt Romney - bSimms, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16give a credible source then i might believe it.
- mjhamilton, on 10/17/2007, -0/+9@ drakethegreat I live in Utah with all the Mormons and they are generally good people. I don't know who you met but it is really small-minded of you to judge a religion by the few people you've met.
- Typhoon2009, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I don't get the point of these teen rehab camps. If anything I'd expect it to scar them so much that they grow up into murderers, rapists, etc.
- MusicalGenius, on 10/11/2007, -7/+15Even if the most trusted news site in the world posted this it wouldn't mean anything. Evidence is something that you go out and search for, Not some thing posted online. If you believe something because it came from a website than you are gullible. Now stats.org where the writer of this is from, has a good reputation and the claim that they are not partition. The Supreme Court isn't supposed to be partition either but guess what... everyone is human. Digg me down for asking for ACTUAL evidence and not some article from a person. An article doesn't go far in court. EVIDENCE does.
Digg used to be good. Now it's full of biased idiots. Microsoft evil...apple is good.. Christians are evil... Atheists are good...
I've learned something very good about politics... Someone told me that I was too negative once and to say 2 positive things for every negative... I know, simple concept which you hear from some people. Now in politics this has helped me a lot. I can't stand Bush, but there are things I like about him cause if I let myself only look at bad things I am choosing to form my opinion without considering other beliefs or ideas. Therefore I would be biased. I think Bush has done a few good things but primarily bad and horrible things...
What I mean to say is that how often do you hear something good about Christians on Digg? it's a rarity. Even with Microsoft...RARITY. The only bad thing I think I've ever heard about apple is about how horrible the iphone is.
The problem I have with digg is this... HEY a WEBSITE SAID IT!!! That means it MUST be true..
Yes, you are all logical. Please forgive my transgression against the people who obviously are more open minded than me. - garryw, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9If Romney bought an iPhone all this hatred on Digg would have ended long ago.
- garryw, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9If the Digg title didn't attempt to link the info to a presidential candidate... it wouldn't be so ridiculous.
The source itself says they dont know Romney's position or if he knows about any of this, yet, haters didn't get that far in the reading. Read the source article. There is more to the story than the Digg headline. - airiox, on 10/17/2007, -0/+6Let's all believe drakethegreat, he just got out of grade school and was never taught how to spell or type using correct grammar. I'd wager that 90% of people would be disturbed how warped his view of this world is. He's probably never met a Mormon in his life and bases his twisted view of reality solely on what he has learned from TV and the Internet.
As for Romney, sorry, but just because you know someone doesn't mean a thing. People like to hate other people, they don't know why but they do. Romney is one of those people, "Let's hate him! I don't know why and if you asked me, I wouldn't be able to give you a legitimate answer, but I just hate him." Seriously people need just a shred of a life and need to start picking on the evil people of this world.
Let's all hate Romney. All he ever has done is work hard, love his family, stand up for the values he believes in and try to better the world. But no, he's a nice guy lets hate him.
You are the same people that would have been duped by Hitler. You would have followed an evil man to your deaths.
I find it 100% assuring that I totally disagree with the people who hate Romney. - oscarsonthepond, on 10/17/2007, -0/+5Way for diggers to show the caliber of people they are with the numbers of diggs this post and this "story" have received. If anybody says anything on here about even the possibility of a Muslim doing something wrong people will bury it into the ground despite the fact that like it or not a small group of Muslims are the ones responsible for 9/11 and many other terrorist attacks. However, make any unwaranted, baseless, bigoted, hateful, ignorant remark you want about Mormons, who are some of the nicest people I've ever met, and you'll be dugg like crazy. That makes a lot of sense.
- zombiemosess, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I live in Utah and I was a "mormon" for the first sixteen years of my life. Most of the people are OK and are good natured but like in all religions and organizations there are extremists and crazies that take things waaaay too far. Plus peoples views of "mormons" are usually pretty twisted without knowing anything about them. For example, I have seriously had people ask me if I have horns on my head and ask me how many wives I have. Try to keep an open mind and try not to generalize and jump to conclusions too much shall we?
- TheRemoteViewer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7I'd say camps where they physically and sexually abuse US citizens and force them to eat their own vomit qualifies as torture. At some of these places you can literally be punished for *glancing in the wrong direction*.
- Derrekito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Romney must have played GTA ...
- garryw, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5quote
"The Romney campaign is aware of the WWASP suits, and should be familiar with the Straight suits. If not, it's worth asking: Does Romney support these types of tactics for at-risk youth?"
Even the source says they dont know Romney's own position on this or if he knows about it but Digg gets all sensationalist about it and proclaims Romney runs torture camps. This is a joke. Clueless propaganda. Read the article please. - timothybryce, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Because Mitt Romney's finance director is involved with residential treatment programs for teens?
- Turbidity, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWASPS
It's not like there's only one of these places in the world. - tinysalmon4, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6I know a kid who went to this place. They tore his lip ring out with pliers.
- Moocat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5While I'm sure some of the incidents are overblown and exaggerated, the fact that there are many court cases where substantial amounts of money damages have been won leads me to believe that the camps are likely not very well run and in fact would turn a bad kid worse. There's a thin line between "tough love" and outright abuse and they have clearly crossed it.
- celerityfm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5olo I bet you have kids right? Anyways you're right about one thing, it is the parents who are the problem. Kids do better when parents are involved. When the parents aren't involved it's a miracle when kids do well. This goes with discipline as well as academics. The end.
- Derrekito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4With that kind of logic, we are linked to rapists, murderers, pedophiles, etc.
- Reeds2, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7...exercised to exhaustion...
Thats the points of a good smoke session... - BDLAMB, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6These places are shut down by the government and reopened with another name (often in the same building and w/many of the same people working there) every ten years or so. Parents are always going to want to be able to abuse their children in this manner, and it is very hard to police such matters. Spare the rod, spoil the child is in the bible, even - right? We have been programmed to accept children being whipped for things and.. people like this like to get out in front of such matters, I guess..
- foobario, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"They might portray their experiences their way out of proportion in order to win their lawsuit"
Those that survive, you mean. Those that die as a result of the 'treatment' they get don't have much of a chance to tell their story.
Utah in particular has a problem with these camps - the culture is so rigid that when a teen 'rebels' (which can be very mild compared to stuff teens might do in other societies) the parents sometimes say nothing can help the kid but one of these bootcamps. I know many people who have been through them; not one feels their lives were improved by the experience, aside from the fact that this was often the last straw before they left home for good. These camps are barbaric and without merit. - MusicalGenius, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I digg you down because an article doesn't prove anything, evidence can not be found on the web... Movies and pictures are easily doctorable and just an article is NOT evidence... why don't you get out in the real world... You people spend so much time online, you forget what social interaction is... You wouldn't even know evidence if you saw it. One man said I did that...I say I don't... who will you believe? You have NOTHING to base anything off of unless you go into a court room with hard evidence...
THAT is why I digg you down. - Whizzeroo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Did they staple his baggy britches to his waist?
- BDLAMB, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6this is ridiculous.. no matter how much info. you get.. you act like this.. "anonymous repub.. haters.."
- garryw, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6This is the lowest piece of sensationalist journalism to come out so far this year. Congrats to Digg for taking the bait. WTF? Romney linked to torture camps?
- merreborn, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5It's also worth noting that some of the kids who end up in these camps are just one step away from being institutionalized in state facilities.
- rcook18, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5For more information on these abusive teen programs, read "Help at any Cost" by Maia Szalavitz.
- vertinox, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Yeah. Less forced exercise, more TV, and more intimate companionship... Well... If you mean non-consensual sex.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Please explain how, assuming this story is true, you concluded that Romney "has a hand" in "torturing teenagers".
- BDLAMB, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4First you are complaining we are all liberals, then it's libertarians.. (yadda, yadda) but whatever it is you think we are..
Governor Romney is a "religious nut" to be specific and clear here. Saying that want to 'double Gitmo' and having a
hand (hidden or otherwise) in the torture of teen-agers (some whose only offense was a lack of interest in school and
a lagging gradepoint average).. by the way.. also indication of Romney's being a "nutjob." - BZKyle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4...I'm sure you were locked in a cage as a child?
- kazimir22, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2maybe I'm insane, but wouldn't we have to take over more of Cuba to double the size of Guantanamo?
- ffleming, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Ah yes, a link to an internet forum. Brilliant. This is the link to the actual article:
http://www.reason.com/news/show/121088.html - TheRemoteViewer, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5They make you eat your own vomit in the Army?
- mikewhite314, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I wondering why you got dugg down until I read the last sentence.
- MusicalGenius, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I agree with that, but the problem I have is that I hardly ever hear about the GOOD Christians on Digg.
- BDLAMB, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7If you don't understand the article there are many others online about this, some answer your questions.
Go and read (yourself) about it, if you are having trouble.. don't expect us to explain it to you.
You are being willfully stupid and we don't have time for you to play catch up with you here.. - mattyz0r, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2It would harden them so they don't turn into gay designers or a pushover.
- Jaxxex, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2perhaps a prison in 1890 but not one today
the whole nature of the program is cruel and unusual
if the "prisoners" had been of legal age it would have been sued out of existence long ago - wbeck, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2however many false allegations of abuse their may be for these facilities, there are plenty of legitimate ones--generally in the overseas facilities (still run by Utah-based companies), due to less stringent child labor/abuse enforcement. Outside of outright physical abuse, inmates of these places have to deal with unsanitary conditions, poor nutrition, inadequate medical attention, and a world of *****. A buch of facilities have been closed down for just these reasons--look into Tranquility Bay (Jamaica), Casa By the Sea (Mexico), etc.
- cheezrox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I went to one of the "milder" versions of these programs when I was 16, and the threat of being shipped of to "Mexico" (High Impact) was always present. We became very familiar with the way things were done in Mexico, as the girls who "graduated" from High Impact were sent back to the facility that they had been kicked out of. Here's how it worked:
Upon arriving in Mexico, you were assigned a set number of laps that had to be completed before you were allowed to leave. A few hours out of the day were set aside to run those laps. However, any rule violations (including looking up or even farting without permission) were punished with more laps. A grueling set of exercises were done everyday (twice a day I believe), and those were refused or were unable to complete them were given a backpack full of rocks to wear at all times, including while doing exercises and running laps. Meals consisted of steaming hot beans and rice, and the girls had a limited amount of time to eat the entire meal (without having access to water). Obviously, this often caused vomiting, which they were then forced to eat. Water was only provided after the meal and in limited quantities. Many of the girls became so thirsty that they would drink the water from their showers, which was NOT drinkable water. Because the girls and boys were kept separate at all times, we never found out what happened on their side of the fence. However, many of the girls reported hearing them crying and scream, presumably from being beaten. Shortly before High Impact was shut down, they began refusing the girls access to bathrooms until they soiled themselves.
These stories aren't made up or exaggerations - they are simply too disgusting and horrifying for the average person to believe. -
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