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- jbdobd, on 03/21/2008, -9/+54damn those pesky photos
- franklymister, on 03/21/2008, -8/+51Here's the point, for all the people who can't handle reading entire articles:
It's not about Hillary or Bill associating with a "known racist" (it's hard for me to use that phrase, even in quotes, since I only hear it from white people with pretty dubious credentials of their own regarding race), it's about the fact that Rev. Wright is hardly a fringe character, nor is being associated with him unusual or out of the mainstream.
FTA: "The recent coverage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright has often cast him as a marginal, almost fringe figure, but Trinity Church is a major Chicago institution, and Wright has long been a prominent pastor on the American scene." - Exarchos, on 03/21/2008, -3/+39This is getting ridiculous.
- jbdobd, on 03/21/2008, -12/+44no, nor did Obama. He was an unpaid volunteer on a ceremonial committee for African American religious leaders. get the facts.
- inactive, on 03/21/2008, -13/+42This is all so silly. I am not at all offended by Rev. Wrights controversial statements. I think most of what he says is justified, especially the part about Blowback, and the government focused more on building prisons and locking minorities up than rehabilitating our citizens.
This week has hurt me so deeply, to watch our Media completely distort the character of an incredible human being like Obama, who represents the best this country can offer the world. They have systematically distorted his religion, his pastor, by playing soundbytes without providing a deeper context of how both these men have devoted their lives to improving their communities and this country on a ground level and how much they both love this country and deeply patrioticly so.
I dont have much faith in the majority of independents in this country to see through the attacks from the media. It has kept me up late this week worrying a lot about this country, and realizing that if we don't seize this moment to do what is right, we are going to be lost for another generation to make the same mistakes over and over, and never solve our problems together.
I am agnostic, and havent been to church in over 10 years, and can't think of one single moment in my life when I drove myself to church out of my own desire to be there, without the prodding of a family member. But this Easter sunday I am excited to go to church for the first time in a long time, and find peace in the pews of a black church in my neighborhood. I cant think of any other place that might help me put away the pain of the harm done by our media, especially Fox News. I hope other people will seek out a black church, and make a statement that you stand in solidarity with them too, and that you too feel that it is unacceptable what the way Republicans are seizing on this issue to wedge our country apart. - pedo, on 03/21/2008, -10/+37Barack Obama: Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way
But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS. - wphj, on 03/21/2008, -8/+33So since HER husband was president, Hillary gets executive experience too?
- Monkeywithacold, on 03/21/2008, -8/+24What next? Hillary was seen wearing Nike shoes, not made in America. OMG UNPATRIOTIC.
- getatmedigg, on 03/21/2008, -4/+19Pics or it didn't..oh!!
- DiggLive, on 03/21/2008, -17/+28"A photograph of Wright and President Clinton, which it says was taken on September 11, 1998"
Let the conspiracy theories begin! I'll start: Bill Clinton caused 9/11! He was under advice from Wright and that's why he set up the speech a few days after 9/11! Wright and the Clintons knew Barack would be a dominating nominee in 2008 and they're using his preachings as leverage against him! - jbdobd, on 03/21/2008, -7/+18An interesting update - according to Eugene Robinson, apparently this photo is from the Prayer Breakfast on September 11, 1998 as the Starr Report was being released, when Bill tearfully confessed to his guests that he had sinned and asked forgiveness, etc...
- chriskzoo, on 03/21/2008, -7/+16Wait, so now Obama is using Wright against Hillary - and that helps Obama how?
- nyx210, on 03/21/2008, -3/+10Hmm...Is this somehow related to why Clinton has kept her mouth shut during these past few days?
- locamama, on 03/21/2008, -9/+16This is ridiculous. There is a big difference between being a member of a church for 20 plus years and a photo op at a White House gathering. I guess the Obama supporters will excuse anything he does. The fact is that Obama sat there listening to sermons that denigrated his own white mother and grandmother and kept going back for more and more for 20 years. I couldn't attend a church that villified one of my parents because of their race. I expect at least that much from my president.
- smotpoker, on 03/21/2008, -6/+13Rock on. I went to a black church a couple of times as a kid and I wish they had been as politically motivated and entertaining as Trinity. When going to church with my white family I could do nothing but sleep and be bored. When I grew older the hypocrisy between church and the "patriotism" exhibited by the "christians" made me rather agnostic as well.
I always believed Jesus was pretty cool but most "christians" seem pretty opposite of Jesus (except on Sundays). Trinity seems to speak the true message of Jesus in modern real-life terms and don't let guys in suits define right/wrong for them. Maybe I should move to Chicago... other black churches I went to were louder but I still couldn't relate - tolbs, on 03/21/2008, -5/+12This whole Rev. Wright thing has officially jumped the shark.
- gatorgreenwell5, on 03/21/2008, -1/+7Does anyone care to know what Obama's church really teaches? It's not good.
In a set of "talking points" on the church's Web site, Wright proclaims himself an exponent of "black liberation theology." He cites James Cone, a distinguished professor at New York's Union Theological Seminary, whom he credits for having "systematized" this strain of Christianity.
Here is a quote from Cone, explaining black liberation theology (hat tip: Spengler, a pseudonymous columnist for the Asia Times):
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
Could Obama really have been unaware for all these years that his spiritual mentor follows a racially adversarial theology, one that demands of God that he be "for us and against white people" and that he participate "in the destruction of the white enemy"? It doesn't exactly sound like the sort of change we can believe in.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120568855824539755 ... - franklymister, on 03/21/2008, -9/+15Man, one look at your comments and you come across like the absolute stereotype of the angry white middle-aged male. Are you for real, or is this all an act?
- Cattywampus, on 03/21/2008, -1/+7That was 10 years ago... who really cares?
If they went to his church every week for 20 years, that would be something worth submitting. - PocchieTheMan, on 03/21/2008, -1/+7Source? I gather you didn't watch Obama's speech.
- inactive, on 03/21/2008, -4/+9You could go to a church all your life with a crazy Rev. and that still doesn't make you complicit in what he says. Christian conservative radio shows are going off on how Obama's membership in that church makes him an anti-American and bigot. MSM is still saying how Obama didn't do enough to denounce Wright's words (From Obama's speech .."I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy."). So here is the Rev. in the White House with Bill and Hill and they will see how he was a figure of the political circles in one way or another.
Time will tell if this makes the MSM get caught trying to spin this into some kind of hypocrisy on the Rev's part in embracing Hillary and Bill, because that would contradict their interpretations of the firey speeches on his pulpit as bald faced bigotry instead of the "black experience" as Obama put it. - trigun1, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5I’m sure he has a considerably more to be grateful for.
- tricks574, on 03/21/2008, -2/+7Having him visit the white house < attending his church for 20 years and having him as part of your campaign. Sorry, it just is.
- tricks574, on 03/21/2008, -0/+5Regular flaws? Regular flaws? Regular flaws is me telling a racist joke, not telling a large group of people that America had 9/11 coming, or that AIDS was created to destroy us. He is a black seperatist, or at least he sounds a hell of a lot like one, and racism works both ways.
- inactive, on 03/21/2008, -2/+7I think it's pretty amazing that 1 day after "The Speech" that Obama's campaign would release this photo to drag the Clinton's into the racist hate-filled mud that he's in. I guess his talk about being "post-racial" is just, you know, just words.
- Maver1c, on 03/21/2008, -1/+5How's your pms going?
- dizilbdog, on 03/21/2008, -7/+11One Point he maid which I paid attention that "Rich White People Own America" Yeah I say that is about true....
- rhabd0mancer, on 03/21/2008, -3/+7No, Bill and Hillary hired Sandy Berger.
"Hey Sandy, did you stuff your pants with secret documents or are you just happy to see me?" -- Hill - absurdist, on 03/21/2008, -5/+9I see only one racist here, Jimmy baby. And frankly, it ain't the rev. I'm curious, how much did it cost to have all the mirrors removed from your house? Or are you more of a DIY guy?
- zendin, on 03/21/2008, -5/+8Look, I'm a Ron Paul supporter myself, but let's keep things reasonable and realistic here. That there is a picture of Bill Clinton, or Hillary for that matter, means absolutely nothing. The man is a major spiritual leader in his community, and it's only natural to expect him to have had photo opportunities with major political figures. That Obama attends Rev Wright's church should not be a surprise, either. Wouldn't you expect a politician to attend the largest church in his/her area? That Rev. Wright has made remarks that are offensive for some should not be surprising. Have any of you ever made remarks that you would feel uncomfortable being made public at one time or another in your life? I know I have. That Obama attends the church of a man who has made remarks offensive to some means pretty much nothing. And finally, as a conservative, white, southern, male American, the group that the major "media" has branded as more opposed to Obama than any other, I find truth in most of what the good reverend is accused of saying. Is Mr. Obama's color a factor for some who would oppose his presidency? Certainly. Will racism play a part in this campaign? Inevitably. Was our (US) foreign policy partly to blame for the events of 9/11? Ummmmmm.....yeah? Even though he is not my first choice for president, I have been especially impressed with the thought, logic, completeness and consideration with which Mr. Obama speaks and has addressed major issues that stratify our nation. If, as I fear, my choice comes down to Mr. Obama and John McCain, I will be casting my vote for Mr. Obama. I'm not quite sure whether things will turn out as I hope, but I know exactly what we'd get with McCain - at least 4 more years of status quo, with major corporations, especially defense-related, setting national policy in their favor. Mr. Obama has kept his campaign on the high road and does not deserve this kind of treatment, and it serves us as Americans to insist that the dialog be fair, honest and complete, does it not?
- franklymister, on 03/21/2008, -5/+8Actually, no, I'm not talking about the political players involved at all. I'm talking about you specifically.
Why are you so angry all the time? - locamama, on 03/21/2008, -1/+4Wright didn't just let one anti-white, anti-American comment slip in private. He made added them to a "greatest hits" dvd of his sermons and sold them.
- nirav72, on 03/21/2008, -5/+8Source? I'm not saying he might not have said that. I just couldn't find anything related to Obama wanting Imus's head over his alleged comments that he made.
- zendin, on 03/21/2008, -2/+5Hey Digg - here's a concept........preserve paragraphs in post edits! Just because I want a chance to fix a spelling or grammar error does not mean I want my whole post lumped into one paragraph......ARRRRGH!!!
- flink405, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3So by Obama´s people releasing this are they saying:
a) Bill Clinton associates himself with racist, black supremist, America haters just like Barack Obama?
b) If you think having your photo taken while standing next to Rev. Wright for a few seconds is bad, just imagine how bad going to Rev. Wright´s church for 20 years is?
c) All of the above.
Amateur dirty tricks by the Obama campaign. The Clinton campaign had nothing to do with bringing up Rev. ("God D---n America") Wright and Obama´s long, very close association with him.
Obama campaign does not get it - Obama thinks this is all about race. It is not.
It is about Obama associating himself for 20 years with a man and organization that is anti-American, anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian, believes the American government created AIDs to kill off a minority group of its citizens, sells drugs to a minority of its citizens and that the "US of KKK-A" deserved to attacked by Islamic radicals. - SpinningHead, on 03/21/2008, -0/+3He recently tried to backpedal on calling them agents of intolerance. McCain responded, "I'll give you some straight talk. I was angry after what happened. Many of them were traced directly to many in the Evangelical movement. Not overall, but there was a professor at Bob Jones University who told CNN that John McCain had to prove that he didn't father illegitimate children. That's not the way. So of course I was angry. And sometimes you say things in anger that you don't mean. But I have put that behind me. It's over. And it's something that happened, it's finished and I move forward not back."
Oh and look at McCain and Hagee. http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Multimedia/Pla ... - PhilLesh69, on 03/21/2008, -3/+6Then why stop there? McCain is standing by his support from Gerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.
One of those guys stated a day after Sept. 11, mind you before Wright made his "Chickens coming home to roost" remark, that... hold on, wait for it... it's a doozy...
That the terrorist attacks of September 11th were caused by gays and abortionists.
Never forget that all politicians are guilty of something. They all know it, too. They look the other way until it is politically expedient to expose the opponent's vice.
They are all dirt. - sq2shooter, on 03/21/2008, -6/+9Some of us have higher expectations and standards for tolerating hate speech than others I guess. If you find Rev. Wrights hate filled diatribes acceptable you ought to re-evaluate your priorities. Supporting someone shouldn't make you blind to intolerance.
- PocchieTheMan, on 03/21/2008, -3/+5Ignorant in so many ways.
- adrianmonk, on 03/21/2008, -2/+4Definitely two ways to interpret "typical white person" (which Obama did in fact say -- video at http://openthread.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/20 ... ).
The phrase was spoken in reference to his grandmother. The first interpretation is that the "scared of black people" behavior is typical of white people. The second interpretation is that his grandmother is just a regular white person, and she has had moments when she was afraid of what was not familiar to her, and said something about it, and it came out wrong.
There's no question here to me that Obama's wording was poor. But there's also no question in my mind that Obama is smart enough and educated enough not to view the world in racial stereotypes.
So what's the big deal? Do you actually think Obama meant "white people are all the same"? I don't, because that doesn't line up with any of the other information. - inactive, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2Wow, so that means the Clintons spent 20 years listening to his Hate Speech, too? No. It just means the Clintons were the sitting hosts of our nation's seat of power and greeted him as they did thousands of other guests. Desperation makes Obama's supporters try to make all kinds of outrageous things fly.
- adrianmonk, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2Who me? I've "lost the concept of a nation"? All I was saying is that I'm not surprised that it is in fact RICH people who own America.
Maybe you meant to reply to somebody else?
I'm all for the idea of government of the people, by the people, and for the people. I just think that it's not surprising that the rich people are the ones who own stuff. I mean, what else does "rich" mean? I mean, next thing someone is going to tell me is that the attractive people are the ones who get asked out on dates most, or that the fast runners are the ones who get to the finish line first, or ... - clobwhirl, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."
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"He didn't just cross the line," Obama said. "He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. The notions that as young African-American women -- who I hope will be athletes -- that that somehow makes them less beautiful or less important. It was a degrading comment. It's one that I'm not interested in supporting."
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=303131 ... - francis7, on 03/21/2008, -3/+5ur comment is refreshing i do worry about this country too even though i'm not from here... and it's sad to see what the media does to distort perception and sometimes i ask myself how these people sleep at night...
- teddtech, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2Exactly. I dont understand what point Obama supporters have made here. THOUSANDS of ruthless people have been to the whitehouse. This picture is irrelevant. The Clintons could care less if Rev. White is anti-american racist, they dont even consider him a friend.
- PhilLesh69, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3The people who are destroying this country sleep very well at night.
Money and power desires to be concentrated. They are simply serving their master.
They don't think like those of us who live honest lives based on integrity. They live in a world where the ends justifies the means, where it only matters how much money or power you accumulate.
They are basically un-american, but have no idea how unpatriotic they are. They really believe they are the end-all and be-all of America.
So long as their greed and malice seems to serve them well. - inactive, on 03/21/2008, -1/+3It's pretty amazing to be chummy with a dude who's been dead for 1 year now.
- inactive, on 03/22/2008, -0/+2Listen to what he says and look at the mission of his church. One color is mentioned and it isn't white. If you separate based on color you are a separatist.
- NyteStarNyne, on 03/21/2008, -3/+5Counter-Owned!
- Vash3001, on 03/21/2008, -0/+2But was he there for 20 years?
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