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- siszam, on 10/12/2007, -16/+160My son is over there. The only "plan" I want to hear is, "We're bringing them all home now. Not in a casket. Not six months or a year from now but NOW.
Neither party has a plan that doesn't involve more death day after day. It's all bullsh*t propaganda from both sides. - oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+84it breaks my heart when i think of the families that have loved ones in iraq. my thoughts are with you and your family.
- da5idblacksun, on 10/12/2007, -9/+64Well if you vote Republican they are NOT coming home - they have said this over and over. At least with Democrats there is a chance.
It is so sad that your son if over there risking his life in a botched war. The President has no respect for the troops. - monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -7/+62"We can't forget that 3,000 people were murdered."
Yes, I will always remember it.
And I will always remember that Osama bin laden, who's responsible for the 3000 deaths on 9/11, was never captured.
And I will always remember that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. - voteforblank, on 10/12/2007, -6/+47Bush want's to know what plan the Democrats have so he can actually have some idea of what to do....
Send our troops home NOW!!!!
Thought police only works in the USA.
You can't change the minds of Iraq citizens.... they see through that *****! - iching, on 10/12/2007, -5/+37I agree bring them out of harm's way.
I hope your son is OK and safe. - Darth_tater, on 10/12/2007, -5/+37They do have a plan.
Here is what is is:
1. tell the public that we do have a plan
2. hope that works until the 06/08 races are over - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34Did he mean the 3,068 coalition deaths so far?
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/ - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36"We can't forget that 3,000 people were murdered."
Apparently he thinks voters are stupid. What does 9/11 have to do with Iraq? No one supporting the war in Iraq makes sense. - appetite, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29I keep hearing the whole "finish the job" bit. What was the job exactly? Was it:
1. Ensure Iraq has no WMDs?
Done before we started.
2. Remove Saddam from dictatorship?
Done very early on.
That's all that was spoken about before the invasion. If the job was really to create a stable democracy, we should have actually planned for that ahead of time. But since we clearly didn't, it's time to withdraw and regroup, admit the mistakes and try to get help in this brand new job that the American people never asked for, and the American military was never properly equipped to accomplish.
Oh, and let's get rid of Rumsfeld like all the retired generals have requested. After all, the generals are the ones Bush and Rummy keep saying are responsible for what's going on. - reed311, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23I'd like to see how the history books spin this war.
- sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -7/+223. Proffit!!! (for Cheney and Rummy)
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21Bush put your daddy between a rock and a hard place, there's no winning, only losing, question is how to lose without losing too much. Bush will call that defeatest, but then again look at what he's doing in Iraq - another record year for deaths. That's quite defeatest plan, staying there and dying in record numbers.
- Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17skyshock21>
I hate to break it to you, but to date, there hasn't been a single rational connecting Iraq to terrorists or freedom in the USA. Iraq did NOT attack us. Everyone knows the terrorists responsible for 911 were NOT connected with Iraq. We are actually LOSING freedom due to some ***** up idea that more restrictions equals more safety. So all in all, I'm sorry to break it to you, but he's no longer fighting for OUR freedom, he's fighting people who live in their own country, hate our guts, and wish we would get the ***** out so they can start this whole ***** over again, because we don't have the manpower, technology, political backing, WHATEVER, to make it work like "it should" (TM).
And as an aside, those huge lines made for checkpoints and security make DAMN good targets don't you think? Better than a little old airliner nowadays and no pilot training required. - adinb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16As a medically retired, disabled vet I agree 100%.
Did you get to see the article that Fareed Zakaria wrote in Newsweek this week about what he thinks needs to happen in Iraq? - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15In fact, John McCain has stated he would prefer an increase in the number of troops in Iraq. Honestly, increasing the troop numbers would be the only way to continue pursuing the president's apparent plan. Otherwise, we should pursue some sort of pullout. Continuing witht he current numbers, or just a gradual uptick in numbers, simply shows apathy and inaction on the president's part.
- zeeeej, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Buchanon must be taking campaigning advice from Conrad Burns. Burnsie told him, "Man, I was debating that Tester guy, and I KILLED when I said Bush has a secret plan for Iraq! The crowd could not stop laughing!"
p.s. Anybody found video? - cocoamix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"Saying that the war in Iraq is part of a larger war on terror, Buchanan alluded to the Sept. 11 attacks:
'We can't forget that 3,000 people were murdered."
Because you know, if Republicans didn't keep bringing up 9-11, I would have totally forgotten ALL about it.
Thanks for that. - sporktek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14This goes way beyond 'oil interests'. This is defense contracts for all of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld's buddies. There's more money to funnel out of defense, or rebuilding, or, *****, I don't know, teddy bears for Iraqi babies, than there ever was in oil alone. This is big business now. Lots o luck finding anyone, especially a republican, but even a democrat, who'd get out of the biz now.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Well of course they laughed, they are veterans and they know what ***** smells like.
- mofomojo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18Y'know, they've been building up to these wars for years and the capitalist elite system of government and democracy is fully backing it.
And, yet, America has been dormant for years about the issues, the death and the massacres because you're all idiots who are easily sidetracked by something like Family Guy or a new cheesy television show.
To hell with that. You're never going to get the truth from a television set, you're never going to get the truth from any form of streaming video and the revolution will never, ever, be televised. It's either behind closed doors or out in the streets, either way, it isn't going to be televised. - consonance, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10History is written by historians. The history we're taught it the popular view; the unpopular historians are ignored. It's not like there's a consensus on history. For example, tell a black U.S. historian specializing in the 1800s that you're an Elkins and Phillips kind of guy, and he'll definitely want to punch you in the face.
So how will historians talk about the Iraqi War? There are two schools of U.S. historians right now: The Neoconservatives and he New Left, although the former is pretty much dead. The Neocons were primarily around during the Cold War, while the New Left spans from the 1970s to the present. The Neocons preached consensus and unity, while the New Left emphasizes minority conflict.
Chances are, Neocons will say that even though Americans didn't support the war, Americans supported the troops behind it and the ideal of fighting for democracy in the Middle East. The New Left will probably argue that the Iraqi War is a war perpetrated by the select few individuals who held power, manipulating the majority of the people to achieve their capitally motivated goals. - scottylist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Voters ARE stupid, they re-elected the man.
- m0tbaillie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+83,000+ on 9/11
3,000+ in Iraq
How many more Americans get to die for a few politicians' shady politics and personal agenda? Nobody is "defending" our freedom in Iraq. Don't get me wrong, I have immense respect for the US Armed Force - my dad's a 25-year Navy vet. and I'm planning on joining the Navy once I graduate college, BUT, anybody who honestly thinks that 150,000~ of our servicemembers are in Iraq "protecting our freedom" from a country that never attacked nor threatened to attack us is quite simply oblivious to reality.
The reality is that this country is going DOWN THE TUBES unless the average citizen can put 2 and 2 together, band together, and inflict change. Vote people, go ***** vote. Stop talking, start doing.
Stop talking, start doing - if we as Americans ever want to take back our country and make amends with the countries around the world we've blatantly, flagrantly offended/***** over, WE as citizens have to bypass these sheisty ***** politicans, step up, and DO SOMETHING. - ratnacage, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@baddox well i dugg them down because they were implying that because someone volunteered to defend our country that its ok they die in iraq for no good reason.
- airayn, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14We have to support our troops! The best way to support the troops is to get them home, out of a war based upon lies.
To honor our troops: help them stop fighting for lies and bring them home with honor!!
Peace is Honor: Action is freedom!
http://www.personaltao.com/tao/freedom.htm
The only way to stop this is to act. Vote now!
This election will determine how much honor our troops will receive.
Vote to end the war. - n00854180t, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14It's absolutely disgusting that Buchanan even suggested he or any of the GOP cares about the troops they've sent to Iraq to guard their oil interests (as a former solidier with friends over there, all the douchebags that will inevitably yell "OMG U R LIBERAL!!!" in their pre-school AOL English have no ground to stand on).
- Alphabet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Pfft, Bush does have a plan for Iraq.
It's called "let's stay there as long as possible and milk billions in tax dollars". - greymaxcat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Bush has a plan... It's just a really bad, poorly executed, not-thought out, stupid plan...
- oxyrubber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I feel sorry for all soldiers and familes of soldiers. The "war" has been over years now. The contractors are not making any significant progress... but they sure are spending a hell of a lot of my tax dollars (and believe me they are MY tax dollars - I'm pretty fresh out of college). Not a single hospital has been built, very few schools have been repaired, the power is still out at least 18 hours a day and only urban areas are lucky enough to have running water.
The soldiers that are stationed in Iraq are fighting an enemy that they can't see; it is part US political machine, part US lobbying machine, part general hatred of the US, and part retribution on the US for the masses of Iraqis who were killed. "3000 murders" is quite a tradgedy, but that had nothing to do with Iraq (just ask our president) and losing another 3000 soldiers (and killing countless Iraqi civilians) is not the way to honor those who died in 9/11.
"Cut and Run" implies that there is a war going on. The US soldiers stationed in Iraq are mostly policing the population. We either need to (1) increase our troop numbers and speed up the reconstruction drastically or (2) pull out our Army and let the Iraqi police take up the slack sooner rather than later.
"Cut and Run" implies that there is actually something more to be done by the military. What is that exactly? The way I see it, this is as good as it's gonna get.
And since when is retreating a bad thing? Any well-educated military mind will tell you that a tactical retreat is sometimes the best option. "Cut and Run" is just the latest diversionary sound byte for those who blindly support this administration's policies. - CanceledCzech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"Bush has a plan"? Isn't that what they say about God when the ***** hits the fan? I knew they were idealizing Bush way too much.
- Blitzenn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It's also tantamount to a lie when you purposefully confuse the issue of 9-11 and Iraq. Even the Republicans admit that there isn't any connection between Iraq and 9-11. To tie the two together like that is lying to the public by illiciting the fear of a 9-11 attack when speaking about a different issue. Sorry Buchanan, I'm not that stupid.
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6One man flays himself while begging for G-d's forgiveness. The next flays his neighbor then begs for G-d's mercy. The third flays everyone else and prays that G-d shows his victims both mercy and forgiveness.
- n00854180t, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@sporktek, Yes, that's all true (I've read probably the same independent sources as you over the last 6 years, and made sure to confirm anything I read), but in the interests of brevity I didn't mention it in my original post. But the jist of it is that the military is being used to protect the interests of a select few private citizens, which is insane and disgusting, a complete disservice to every person that has had the courage to serve in the military.
- Dundasbro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Generally it seems that voters have a short memory and a basically stupid when it comes to politics and elections. 2 months before elections "OMG I'M GONNA LOWER TAXES VOTE FOR ME!!1!" then after they get it they ***** you over all they can until the next election comes and they start the ass kissing again.
- minorthreat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9we(20-30 year olds) are the ones that get to write the history books in the near future :)
- Silverphoenix55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6My hats off to these vets.
- Ottergoose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It's too bad that a lot of the people in the middle east don't vote like Uncle Sam would like them to... turns out that democracy isn't the key to stabilizing a region in the midst of a civil war.
- pumacub, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10I find it odd that so many religious people support Bush when it's obvious he isn't religious, because a religious man who's done what he's done would be consumed by the knowledge that he's going straight to hell.
- deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@nixfu
You're just a stupid as the president and Karl Rove thinks you are. John Kerry is a decorated veteran, why in God's green earth he insult his fellow service men. Unlike, chicken hawk George W. Bush, John Kerry fought in a horrible war. So go get a brain. And instead of posting ***** rhetoric, why not post about a real issue like the honorable men and women currently dying in Iraq. God, we need to get rid of these ***** in America.
You have a problem with Kerry's botched joke, but no problem with Mark Foley, right? Please. - jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5For all of you cynical people who say, oh woes is me, Bush has no plan, but neither do the Dems, that's just idiotic. When was the last time you actually took the time to find out what Democrats want to do about Iraq? If you get all your information from newsbites from the news and media, of course you won't know anything about it. Theya re all so busy talking about absolute crap and no substance. When was the last time the media actually covered in detail anything recently?
Get involved! - expectinrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Lib'rul = wanting less dead troops.
GOP= throw 'em into the meat grinder.
no matter what party you are in, you'll be paying for this war for the rest of your life through taxes, a depreciating dollar, and reduced quality of life. That is fact. There's only so much candy in the 'ol Pinata - dextroz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"We can't forget that 3,000 people were murdered."
Right, the murder of 3,000 justifies the murder of 65,000 iraqi civilians who had NOTHING to do with 9/11 moron.
PS If your kid is in iraq - he is in the military by choice! so quit complaining. if he does not want to serve, there is a system in place to 'declare' change of heart and quite the army. unless he went into it for the free education like too many. - hypodermia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Maybe we're just ready for a change...
- connizzle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7now, i really want to see a video of them laughing
- adinb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@Sporktek: The sad thing is that 99% of the defense contractors actually lose out--because all the programs that don't directly deal with operations get cut. The only winners are the direct ops contractors & construction firms -- Kellogg, Brown, & Root (KBR), Halliburton, Bechtel, SAIC, etc.
All the guys working on support, new stuff, future weapons, etc get shafted -- making us much weaker in the long run (and more dependent on the *current* bullet makers)
(This is from first hand knowledge in the defense contracting industry) - finalbroadcast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You know when are Conservatives going to stop saying "all volunteer army" to defend the ineptness of the Pentagon officials. I'm sure that these guys signed up to do the right thing, and that doesn't mean that some half assed goal with no plan is right. Face it they ***** this one up.
- musntSurfatWork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It's a matter of time before one of these Brave Dads whose Brave Son or Daughter, goes postal and carry out their 'plan for Bush'.
Freedom has a price though, hard to comprehend for most of us, who have the liberty to sit at home and do nothing but post, and play wow. - crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4hmm...i'm surprised you didn't mention Korean War or Vietnam...
avoiding something? - Meadow113, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have been writing letters and calling talk radio, more people seem to be waking up, the problem is who knows what will happen with the voting machines?
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