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- alphacoder, on 03/01/2008, -1/+157The difference between Hillary and Obama on foreign policy is probably a secondary issue. I think what resonates with people is that Obama seems quite willing to listen to others regardless of their alignment with his own views. For example, Obama worked closely with Sen. Lugar (R) on Nuclear stockpile safety issues.
With Hillary, as demonstrated by her campaign and staff, they think they already know everything and if you don't agree with them, too bad for you. This seems to be a holdover of when her husband was President and she tried to engineer the health care reform.
I think in many minds, Hillary's "ends" or goals seem to be her priority while on the other hand, Obama seems concerned not only with the "ends" and the means but the participants as well. - jbdobd, on 03/01/2008, -7/+126oops
- carpespasm, on 03/01/2008, -2/+116Her personality is often grating, her campaign frequently tries to play into people's differences and fears to try and scare them away from other candidates, there's the ties with president Clinton's sex scandal which she might have had nothing to do with, but that memory brings up not so good times for anyone with the last name Clinton. She's seen by many as polarizing, between men and women, whites and blacks, whites and everyone else, and she's also just been around politics for a long time. That in many people's minds ties her to the career politicians who always seem to find a way into petty political squabbles and who always seem to add a bunch of spending for their area to try and trump up votes for themselves regardless of how much it adds pork to federal budgets. Some see her as having an entitlement attitude like "I was in the White House before, I'm just going back" Some also see her as less appealing from a foreign policy standpoint since she wouldn't be seen internationally as much different a person than any of the last 20 years worth of white house leaders. She also keeps implying and saying Obama is vastly less experienced than she is when it comes to leadership, but when people look into it the only difference in their experience is the time in public office (which is only a 5 year difference?).
Normally most of that wouldn't be an issue since all candidates usually do those things, but this time we have Obama, who's seen as young, uniting, has run a pretty much spotless campaign, is articulate, and would be seen internationally as a fresh face, which may be beneficial in getting foreign leaders to believe he's being honest in his intentions if he wants to change things, rather than just seeing it as a political move to get some of the heat off our backs.
In the end, it might not be that so many people really hate her as they like Obama, and her exaggerated attacks on him make people dislike her. - chumscrubber, on 03/01/2008, -1/+106“I’ve been with my wife for 10 years now. If she got onstage right now, y’all wouldn’t laugh at all.”
Chris Rock while discussing Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s notion that she had presidential experience. - ADVIZR, on 03/01/2008, -0/+1011. Cluster Bombing: it kills many innocent people needlessly. She voted for it. Obama voted against cluster bombing. To put it clearly, it means more kids and adults would die because she wants to appear "tough" on terror, as opposed to using precision strikes.
2. Retroactive telecom immunity: Hillary was the only Democrat to vote Not Present for the vote. Obama voted in favor of not giving immunity, to protect our civil rights.
3. Breaking Crucial Agreements: Hillary wants to completely go against the DNC to turn around and seat Michigan and Florida, despite the fact that she agreed long ago that they wouldn't count. The DNC asked the candidates to not be on the ballots and not campaign in those states. She kept her name on Michigan. Obama & Edwards complied and withdrew from the ballot. Florida forces all names to be on the ballot, so candidates had no choice. Despite even the fact that Obama wasn't on the ballot, now that she's losing, she wants to cheat in the worst of ways. It's utterly, skin-tinglingly despicable.
4. Her whole campaign as of the last few months has consisted of Rove-style tactics. Recently, she accused Obama of plagiarism, which is ludicrous when you read up on it. Beyond that, it's 100% hypocritical given the countless times she's used lines from others (including of Obama), including the last line in the last debate, nearly word for word. Oh, and her book It Takes A Village was basically ghost written and the writer was given no credit. Look it up. It's hypocrisy on an epic scale.
5. Her campaign with Bill Clinton, time & time again, has tried to turn it into a race issue vs. Obama. The American public wasn't fooled and wasn't amused.
6. She voted in favor of Bush's ability to go to war with Iraq. Either we can believe her, that's she's completely naive -- or she knew full well what she was doing and is now lying. "Ready (and wrong) on day one." Obama gave some impressively strong words prior to the war voting, trying to urge people that it was a bad, misguided idea with devastating consequences to come.
7. She's helping the war-drum beat for Iran, just like she did with Iraq. Obama is not. I guess she forgot about that 'learning not to trust Bush' thing again...
8. She didn't accomplish much in the Senate. Compare the relative time Obama was in the senate to hers, and compare their record. Obama accomplished quite a bit, such as preventing weapon proliferation to terrorists. Lugar-Obama (look it up). Above that, Obama actually has many more years of legislative experience from his days in the state legislature.
9. She hypocritically attacked the notion by Obama that Pakistan is an area to make precision strikes. Obama rightly said that it would make the most strategic sense. We've since been made more aware that Al Qaeda & the Taliban have regrouped tenfold in that region. And we've since learned that the US is already engaged in military spy-drone strikes in Pakistan with cooperation of the Pakistan gov't, despite the Pakistan gov't being force to publicly deny it because cooperation with the US being known to radicals within Pakistan wouldn't "go over too well." 60 Minutes exposed this fact.
10. Clinton has been spreading countless propaganda fliers in the mail about Obama's health plan, featuring the absurd statements of Krugman who basis his opinions on Gruber (MIT) who -- brace yourself -- is a Clinton adviser. In other words, he's not objective as they're leading people to believe. It's a circular argument. Anyway, her fliers are about 10x more vicious and misleading than Obama's critical health plan fliers, yet she now has the underhanded nerve to say "Shame on you, Obama!" (what a joke).
11. She's constantly hypocritical... like when she attacked Obama on a small percentage of not present votes. Yet her attack was completely misleading given the meaning of not present votes in Illinois, as well as her misleading Obama's positions in those cases.
12. She's misleading on acting like the victim when Obama's campaign goes on the offensive using the facts. The keyword is truth. Obama's campaign uses the truth against her and she tries to then put on a public show of being brutalized. (example: NAFTA)
13. She's been pro-NAFTA all along and right through the Senate, yet she feeds hard-working families a line of BS consistently in her campaign, about wanting to "fix" it. Lying to score votes... whatever it takes?
14. She's waging a campaign of fear and a lot of propaganda within her camp against Obama.
15. "Denounce" is actually the more proper term to use over "reject." So her little antics of hypercorrection in trying to seem stronger/smarter and create FUD about Obama's connections... well, that's mean.
16. Possibly suing Texas now that things aren't going her way.
17. There's more, of course, but who has time... [to be continued]
Believe it or not, I still think she's probably a good person deep down. And I don't "hate" her. She's probably a caring mom and all. But she hasn't earned the right to be president. Obama has. - HenvY, on 03/01/2008, -10/+96I'm a pretty fervent Obama supporter, but it wasn't that long, actually.
- whatthefu, on 03/01/2008, -4/+85Anyone else look at the title and think it had something to do with STDs?
- arajan, on 03/01/2008, -11/+85brilliant... this should be on the front page!!
- TheTaoOfBill, on 03/01/2008, -5/+73Obama spoke out against the war. Hillary spoke for the war
If Hillary was president in 2003 we'd be at war with Iraq still.
If Obama was president in 2003 we'd be fighting the right war against Al Qaeda
Obama: 1 Hillary: 0 - jstohler, on 03/01/2008, -2/+51Obama's not the one running around claiming he's been tested.
- jstohler, on 03/01/2008, -2/+42John Dickerson is the man. He's the one who stumped Bush years ago by asking to name just one mistake he's ever made.
- JlmAWP, on 03/01/2008, -4/+43Obama told me to tell you to shut up.
Seriously, this question is asked of Obama on a daily basis, stop paying attention to only anti-Hillary things. Experience, experience, experience. Right now, we should be aiming toward the mentally stable. - iainc, on 03/01/2008, -1/+35(silence), waffle, waffle, waffle, flannel, flannel, military, women's rights, waffle, waffle.
So, basically, ***** all then?
Don't you just hate it when a candidate attempts the *manipulate* public opinion by desperately trying to point out how the opponent is somehow lacking instead of highlighting their own contribution.
Hillary is a shill for yesterday's politics. Move on. - DiggLive, on 03/01/2008, -6/+39Let's make it 15-0 next Tuesday! YES WE CAN!
- richmomz, on 03/01/2008, -3/+34Her entire "experience" argument is a load of crap and frankly I don't understand why she keeps pushing it. "35 years of experience" - doing what? She only has 8 years experience as an elected government official - if you include Obama's time as a state legislator he is in fact the more experienced of the two.
- lamprey187, on 03/01/2008, -3/+34Spaza you are an extreme right winger, why ask the question???? you don't give a crap about the answer, you just want to jump in and make a little republican swipe. I will still answer your little question though, when the rest of the Senate was talking a bunch of Iraq war rhetoric that got us into this *****, Obama kept his cool, and risked voting against the herd and stuck to his better judgement and principles. Unlike McCain and Hillary which are party hacks and D.C. lifers that believe they are aristocrats.
- StarlessKnight, on 03/01/2008, -1/+308 second dead air, 30 seconds before they managed to pull something out (briefly explained, her standing up in China and calling for Women's or Human Rights), out of a 3.5 minute long call mostly filled with which four-star generals support her and how that's a substitute for an answer to "when Hillary's been tested."
- TheTaoOfBill, on 03/01/2008, -0/+29As in not the war against Saddam Hussein who had nothing to do with Al Qaeda and posed no military threat to us.
And that is a foreign policy moment in Obama's Career where he made the right judgment. - NeverSage, on 03/01/2008, -3/+30Yeah... I feel the same way. I'm an Obama supporter too, but some are really reaching for the anti-Hillary news. This isn't even Hillary answering the question, it's just a guy who works for her. I'm sorry, but a pause that might be a second too long isn't big news. Moving on...
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -3/+29Hillary is not remotely fit to serve this country. She is old school washington, corrupt, pandering dealmaker. Her support is eroding as people see they have a better option in someone who will make real change. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEOjttmqIrc
- carpespasm, on 03/01/2008, -2/+28Way to go.... It would have been better if you'd stopped and talked with them rather than giving them reason to feel justified in supporting her. I find that looking for common reasons people support something/ someone that are usually incorrect is a much better way to make them drop support of it. That saying that nothing makes atheists like critical thinking while you read The Bible and all that.
- Mejari, on 03/01/2008, -0/+24nice. First post: Long list of well-thought points
reply: "OMG You worthless scumbag. ***** off ***** Moron!"
I'm sure many people will change their minds because of your well thought-out reply. - aliengoods, on 03/01/2008, -0/+21If I didn't love it I would've buried it for an inaccurate description. The answer they gave wasn't cogent.
It's about time the 'biased' media actually started questioning Hillary on her '35 years of tested experience'. - arzim, on 03/01/2008, -0/+20Fantastic post. +1
- rz8472, on 03/01/2008, -3/+22Hillary does have 'experience', like the experience of saying "KGB Officers have no soul" and managing to piss off Russia even before she comes to office.
Her diplomatic prowess is unparalleled. - OrangeSoda31, on 03/01/2008, -3/+22Let me ask you: "What foreign policy moment would you point to in ANY of the candidates career where s/he's been tested by crisis?"
- idovoodoo, on 03/01/2008, -1/+19I love how even after the silence they never answered the question. She has no experience. Obama doesn't either, let's face it, but given the choice between someone who's been a part of the Democratic party for as long as she has (with no foreign policy experience) and a fresh face whose grassroots support swells by the day (with no foreign policy experience, though he didn't apparently need it to speak out against war in Iraq), isn't the choice easy?
- ADVIZR, on 03/01/2008, -0/+18None of the points are incorrect. Don't confuse "hate" with disagreeing with Clinton because she's unethical and wrong. Speaking of Colin Powell, he knew full well that what he was doing was helping to create a false premise to go to war. He acted unethically too.
Obama, on the other hand, has a level of mutual respect that you can't buy. You have to earn it. For once, more Americans are setting aside differences and coming together -- no matter their race, gender, religion, or status in life. Like I said, Obama has been earning it. That type of unity transcends barriers, especially petty things like name calling.
Your comment history reveals actual hate. Go on, keep calling me and others "moron", "stupid", "scumbag", etc. See how far it gets you in life. - MonarchWastxD, on 03/01/2008, -5/+23Man, people reaaalllly hate Hillary. Elaborate please, USA?
- chochazel, on 03/01/2008, -0/+17No Senator is going to have been tested by crisis in the way that a president is because they are part of the legislative not executive branch of government. No Governor is going to have been tested because they don't govern at the federal level.
The point is it's a silly attack for HRC to be making - she doesn't have the experience and it's irrelevant anyway - has every ex-president been called at 3am to deal with foreign policy incidents prior to becoming president? Kennedy still managed to avoid WWIII. Experience doesn't guarantee good judgement. Obama never *claimed* foreign policy experience he didn't have, he claimed good judgement. That's why it doesn't make sense to ask the same question of him. - jstohler, on 03/01/2008, -0/+16Front page here it comes.
- Neiby, on 03/01/2008, -1/+17You're seriously wondering why we'd digg down someone who spits on other people? Or, in this case, claims to?
- illspaz, on 03/01/2008, -0/+16a very small sweater
- ch33sehead, on 03/01/2008, -1/+16Jeez, just bury him and move on. All of JimmySpaza's comments in every political thread have been buried for a reason.
- Mejari, on 03/01/2008, -0/+15Yeah, you're right, silly foreigners. It's their fault. How dare they take an interest in the elections of a very powerful country that has the capability to blow up the world. That would be like us taking an interest in Russia's elections. Oh wait, we do.
- ADVIZR, on 03/01/2008, -0/+15I support Obama for President. That doesn't mean he's perfect. To me, Gravel was the ideal candidate but Obama is great too.
Anyway, you support Ron Paul. I understand that you're sad because Paul isn't getting a lot of support anymore. Maybe you should consider the fact that supporters like you don't help his cause. I try to stick to the actual facts. You stick to the hate, name calling, and radicalism. As an athiest, I find it pretty easy to spot cultish behavior; it sounds like you're the "scientologist" to use your analogy.
Anyway, I respect your right to support Ron Paul. I've watched some of his interviews (like the ones on Bill Moyers and Bill Maher) and have read up on him. Were I to go republican, he'd be my first consideration -- not because of his views but because he's a freedom fighter and stands up to the military industrial complex. Anyway, I'm sorry his campaign didn't work out for the Republican ticket side of things. Don't take out your anger on Obama supporters because of it though. That doesn't help the cause. - 4040, on 03/01/2008, -0/+14"Obamabots" is not going to catch on. Stop saying it.
- CountryGuy, on 03/01/2008, -0/+14I think ADVISR nailed it in full (Dug up his post btw), but to summarize: Hillary, whether she likes it or not, symbolizes the old-style backroom politics that America is just getting sick and tired of. She can't be part of the machine for so many years, then claim to be an advocate of change. When she tried to pull that, the BS flags went up all over America.
- goomba323, on 03/01/2008, -1/+14What a dolt.
In your logic only past presidents have TRULY been tested by crisis. And you are missing the point (not that it looks like you are trying to prove any point other than you are a jackass). Clinton has put herself out there on the platform that she is tested and ready, especially with that Texas tv ad. So this is why she got asked the question and not Obama, though to be fair, the question was loaded and intended to catch the Clinton advisor's off guard. - daFilms, on 03/01/2008, -0/+13Yeah, John is notorious in the industry for his clever yet simple questions:
April 13, 2004 White House press conference
Q Thank you, Mr. President. In the last campaign, you were asked a question about the biggest mistake you'd made in your life, and you used to like to joke that it was trading Sammy Sosa. You've looked back before 9/11 for what mistakes might have been made. After 9/11, what would your biggest mistake be, would you say, and what lessons have you learned from it?
THE PRESIDENT: I wish you would have given me this written question ahead of time, so I could plan for it. (Laughter.) John, I'm sure historians will look back and say, gosh, he could have done it better this way, or that way. You know, I just -- I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with an answer, but it hadn't yet.
..... there's more here....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20 ... - Archon810, on 03/01/2008, -1/+14yes, we can tell by your name who you are. now go away.
- richmomz, on 03/01/2008, -0/+13Given Bill's history it might be something she should look into.
- Packgrog, on 03/01/2008, -0/+12I'm not sure that's true. Regardless of my opinions of Obama, I've seen Hillary be consistently combative with any opponents she might have. This came across clearly in her last debate with Obama, it was clear in her reactions to various State of the Union addresses by Bush (where she sat firmly in her seat, arms folded, looking strangely like a kid pouting for not getting their way). Hillary has shown time and again that she will barely be as willing to consider dissenting opinions are the current Administration, which has been horrendously blind to outside opinion.
All of this is, frankly, part of why her attempts to play the Experience card over Obama have little meaning. It is better for a leader to surround themselves with insightful advisors who might not always agree with them and weigh their perspectives, something that Obama has shown a surprising openness for. Neither the Democratic nor Republican party lines have all the right answers. But someone who is more willing to listen to both sides can find a better compromise and anger fewer people, something we desperately need after this Presidency. - EarlOfLade, on 03/01/2008, -1/+13"Right now, we should be aiming toward the mentally stable."
That would exclude JimmySpaza from the mix! - TheTaoOfBill, on 03/01/2008, -1/+13I have great respect for people who debate their views in places where they are vastly outnumbered. And very little respect for people who use the defense of the majority to disrespect a minority viewpoint without debating a single intellectual point.
We all have different opinions on how the world works and we all only want the best for this country. There is no reason to speak to someone with such disrespect in a political debate.
Please do not discourage opposing views from joining digg. We could use a lot more objectivity in the debates here. It's the only way to truly learn politics. - goomba323, on 03/01/2008, -0/+12http://youtube.com/watch?v=UMQytRKk4Ig
That pretty much sums up why people hate her in that one clip.. - heyiquit, on 03/01/2008, -1/+13When I first read this, I thought the reporter asked if she had been tested for STD's.
- iainc, on 03/02/2008, -0/+12Quote: I've come to seriously hate you and your kind. With each and every ***** obama article with it's FALSE titles, my hate grows stronger. I hate stupidity, lies and blind devotion. You are nothing but a cult member. You speak of Obama as a scientologist speaks of L Ron Hubbard. "Mutual respect"? "type of unity trascends barriers". Pathetic. BTW, I am not a Hillary supporter and I never posted on Digg prior to obamabot infestation.
So, aside from being a hater, you have zero interest in either candidate and, by your own admission, you're here simply to make trouble. A hate-filled, trouble-making troll.
D3mag0gu3, I'm really sick of your worthless contributions. The only scumbag here is yourself. Given your stated reasons for being here, I think I will not only bury your comment but I will also report you. I urge everyone else who is sick of you to do the same. With enough reports, we'll claim your scalp, too. Have a nice day! - EarlOfLade, on 03/01/2008, -0/+12None as far as I know, but it is not Obama who claim to have this experience but Hillary Clinton.
And as far as I'm concerned, Obama has all the right qualifications, Hillary doesn't.
And judging from Bush presidency, all his so called experience hasn't been worth jack *****, it has cast this country into the abyss and Bush will go down in history as one of the worst of not the worst president ever. - mlawrence, on 03/01/2008, -0/+11Stumping Bush... that's tough
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