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- elebrio, on 10/12/2007, -14/+124When I think credible source the first thing that comes to mind is:
METH HEAD GAY HOOKER! - gamasutra, on 10/12/2007, -19/+112Not only is Ted Haggard president of the National Association of Evangelicals, he's also the religious adviser to President George W. Bush. Oh the hypocrisy.
- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+84Hey, at least the alleged sex was with an adult.
- converge, on 10/12/2007, -10/+76This is surprising because...?
- brandonvan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+52If i had a dollar for every time a gay hooker had said i was fooling around with him....
Any ways why is everyone so uptight on hypocrisy these days? Do as I say not as I do is pretty much a given. I try to get the best out of my employees yet sometimes find myself posting on digg during working hours. People just like to see the mighty stumble. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+45Maybe he'll check himself into rehab and tell the media he was molested as a child now.
- W00DR0W, on 10/12/2007, -7/+43If I paid a lesbian to sleep with me would that be considered a gay prostitute?
- waynechng, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39And now it seems like he's stepped down from his pulpit. If that doesn't sound like guilt, what does?
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4588998?source=email - mikemac, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39Only once a week? I talk to bush every couple of days. My wife loves it.
- guregu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35Here's a clip of Ted Haggard interviewed by Richard Dawkins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmNjfpoRZpE - solfood, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34this is the guy who bragged that he talks to Bush once a week.
- Phatt138, on 10/12/2007, -14/+44So...you're saying we should crucify him?
...cause I'm down. - Raian, on 10/12/2007, -19/+48Jesus was friends with hookers too-- and could use his magic to turn water in drugs (alcohol) so I think this is pretty much in line with Christian teaching.
- NoHandle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32@bitweever
This is the same pastor from "The Root of all Evil" by Richard Dawkins. God (heh) the irony...
If you watch the video, you will see that he himself brags about being an advisory to Bush. - jackelsmack, on 10/12/2007, -9/+35@doubters of all sorts - The guy resigned as leader of his church within a day. You think he would resign if some random hooker made up a story and told it on the radio? Resigning immediately is just about the clearest admission of guilt you'll ever get from these self-hating closet cases.
Update: GUILT of being a hypocrite, not guilt of being homosexual - EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -8/+33Maybe he does more than "talk" with Bush once a week...
- MobbyG, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27You know.. you have a point!
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30So far this is one guys word against another. Nothing but accusations. Now if it turns out to be true, then the guy's a schmuck. TV preachers generally are schmuck's and I don't consider them Christians, personally. If you solicit money over the airwaves in the name of God and proceed to live a life of luxury at your constituents' expense, you neither speak for God nor are you Christian. I would not find it necessarily surprising that someone who extorts money from the weak to also be paying for sex.
- tvc15, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24however, he shouldn't preach against it for 3 years while he's doing it. not that he should have been preaching against it when he wasn't, but definitely not while doing it.
- guregu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21I guess all that time he spent "staking out" gay bars finally "turned" him gay.
From Harpers..."He was always on the lookout for spies. At the time, Colorado Springs was a small city split between the Air Force and the New Age, and the latter, Pastor Ted believed, worked for the devil. Pastor Ted soon began upsetting the devil's plans. He staked out gay bars, inviting men to come to his church; his whole congregation pitched itself into invisible battles with demonic forces, sometimes in front of public buildings."
http://www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist.html - monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27I am sure he's just trying to see how sinful it is to have gay sex and take drugs.
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21That was just his "stay up for days high on meth having sex with male prostitutes" phase. We all have those.
- MrTsLoveChild, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21virulent:
harsh or corrosive in tone; "a barrage of acid comments"; "bitter words"; "blistering criticism"; - DrSteveD, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22So what, Clinton porked a fat chick. He did not use faith to try and legislate morality. He did not create a generation of nutcases that preach hate towards someone because of their sexual preference.
- greymaxcat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25So... dude cuts loose and walks the wild side... May be good for him... Getting stoned and fooling around with a dude might open his mind a little...
- EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -17/+34Not surprising that much.
But it is more funny than anything, Christians are usually Anti-Gay or Anti-Anything that doesn't let their religion spread further(Anti-Abortion, etc). - consonance, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26Shouldn't we expect better from our leaders? Shouldn't we expect them to be better than us? If they are our leaders, that means they are smarter than us, they are wiser than us, and they are better thought than the rest of us. Doesn't it reflect baldy on the rest of us when our leaders not only practice hypocrisy, but we expect it? We've had a number of liars, frauds, double-crossers, cheaters, and sociopaths take the pulpit from the rest of us and then use it for evil, and you're going to say that it's okay, simply because they're in charge? Would you say it's okay for one of your employees to cheat or defraud other people? No? So why is it suddenly alright when our leaders do it?
- NicP, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20"So how does excluding gays help?"
Do we really have to give you the birds and the bees talk? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Jesus is not a republican. Sorry, he just isn't. Wasn't. Whatever. They may try to claim that they're his party, but that's ***** and they know it.
To quote Derek Webb (CCM singer/songwriter),
"There are two great lies that I've heard:
the day you eat of the fruit of that tree, you will not surely die
and that Jesus Christ was a white, middle-class republican
and if you wanna be saved you have to learn to be like Him" - JeremyBanks, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22There's nothing in the bible that says doing drugs is bad either, is there? That doesn't mean that the religion isn't against it.
- Enendar, on 10/12/2007, -10/+26... because it took so long to find out?
- expectinrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16This is like the firefighter who is also an arsonist. Google 'firefighter arsonist' and it really opens your eyes. People get obsessed with something and want a PC way to be around it all the time without arousing suspicion. He hung out at gay bars to "get people to come to his church?" or because he wanted a socially acceptable way to go to gay bars?
- rekrapt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15"So why is it suddenly alright when our leaders do it?"
It isn't. But when someone tries to do something about it, someone else comes along and digs up every little dirty detail they can find about the person to discredit them. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying to a Grand Jury... but, his allies claimed it was no big deal because it was just a lie about sex. Of course, the big difference here is that Clinton wasn't running around acting like he was speaking for God. People who try to take the moral high ground are more susceptible to falling hard if their skeletons come out of the closet. - rekrapt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Digg him down if you want, but Wiggly is right... the Bible says not to be a drunkard and the treat your body as a temple. Then there is that problem with free will and such...
- BigMrWiggly, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22There is nothing in the bible that says drinking wine is wrong. Also Jesus preached to be kind to everyone. He never hated anyone just the things that they did.
- bontaq, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Oh man, what will those zany Republicans do next.
- tpodr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15'Today, Jones showed the Denver Post an envelope addressed to him from "Art," a name Jones says Haggard used - sent from an address in Colorado Springs. Jones said the envelope came to him with two $100 bills inside.
'Jones also played a recording of a voicemail left for Jones from "Art." Jones refused to reveal what the topic of the voicemail was about because there could be legal problems and he wants to consult with an attorney.
'Jones said he would take a lie detector test to validate his claims. '
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4588998
Also, I would think the Denver Post and a local news show wouldn't present this story based on merely "he said/he said" evidence. Of course, we will have to wait and see if more concrete evidence is produced. Though voicemail messages, if verified to be from Haggard, would be fairly damning. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I've heard that all anti-gay crusaders are, deep down, repressed homosexuals. I also thought that was an unfair generalization. And yet now I see this.
- elastikos, on 10/12/2007, -11/+23@Muncher
More babies = more followers (customers)
Pretty easy if you ask me. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18"So how does excluding gays help?"
Dick in ass != Baby. Dick in vagina = baby = follower(customer). Mmmk? - Zarathustra19, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Maybe this is why the religious right is so against homosexuality and drugs? Because they're so entrenched in it, they can attack it easier because they know how it is?
That's just intended to be a funny blanket statement, not too serious.
I just think that all of the people who think they legislate morality, need to stand back and think about what it'd be like if someone else was able to legislate a morality that they didn't agree with. Then maybe they'd see that trying to enforce a specific morality isn't too good of an idea.
They sure like to try and force their Juedo-Christian morals on others.. But i bet they wouldn't like it if someone were trying to force Islamic/Hindu morals on them.
News flash, that's how we feel when you force your morals on us who can think freely and don't adhere stictly to a religious moral code. It's not black and white. - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13good catch, i remember that clip!
- dawgfan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Call me old fashioned but I still think one can "cut loose" and NOT ***** a gay hooker in the ass.
- BigMrWiggly, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19It just says things like don't defile your body and not to drink to drunkenness. It never says anything about other drugs specifically but i would imagine Jesus would be against using hard drugs because they harm your body. A little wine doesn't.
- verifex, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Alright there's gotta be a joke in this headline somewhere. Man, truth really is stranger then fiction.
- PConvictions, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16It is routine. It is stated in the word of God that the requirements of Pastorship is to be 'void of reproach'. So this has brought reproach against him and he has stepped down from his duties until such time is either proven or disproven.
- oxyrubber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"Any ways why is everyone so uptight on hypocrisy these days?"
I would like my President not to invade countries under the guise of "spreading freedom" while restricting freedoms granted to me by the Constitution.
People should be allowed to have their own private life, but when you are a public figure (i.e. a political/religious leader) you need to set an example for others. If you are into gay hookers and drugs, don't preach against them in your daily (public) life. - AICWebmaster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Bill Clinton was boring when compared with the neo-conservative right.
- megaloid, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Not surprising. It is quite possibly a malicious fabrication. Then again, it is quite possibly a well-timed revelation of fact. I mean, anybody who knows anything about projection knows that there are better than 50/50 odds that a gay-baiting ultranationalist Christian "minister" likes having sex with men. These public moralizers are into all kinds of crazy hedonistic *****, yet their followers keep buying into the illusion ($$$literally$$$) that they're pillars of society. They're invariably hypocrites.
- Cameleopard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11C. Living in accordance with one's morals, without aspiring to power under false pretenses, while criticizing both hypocrites and their apologists.
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