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- Shiftgood, on 10/30/2008, -9/+360As a blue state employee working hard for you red states... I would like to offer you even more of my money as long as it goes to education for you guys. especially in science and philosophy... oh.. and sex education... and planned parenthood.
deal? ok sweet. - JenniferInMO, on 10/29/2008, -15/+208Okay people there are blue people in these red states and we are trying hard to change things. Have a heart.
- niradg, on 10/29/2008, -15/+174Good chart, but you totally bungled the description- should read "of the 32 states that get more than they give in Federal Tax dollars, ..." if you email Digg support they can fix it for you.
- michaelpinto, on 10/29/2008, -16/+160The thing with Alaska is that the residents not only get their share of the oil revenue - but with a state like New Orleans they don't get a penny of the off shore drilling. Can you imagine how different the economy of that state would be if that was the case?
- sc0ttius, on 10/30/2008, -2/+146I believe the state is Louisiana.
- apastafarian, on 10/29/2008, -11/+148This is why when the right wing wacko's suggest splitting the country up between the red and blue, I always remind them they'll be in the poor half. That list may look quite different after next week. Texas might stand alone as the only red state that pays out more than it takes in. It's also my sincere wish that as a result of Alaska's national exposure, we start putting the oil rich tax surplus flush state on the other end of that list too. It's criminal that were paying for their roads and public construction with our taxes while they have negative income tax.
- Zippo, on 10/30/2008, -5/+128Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the everyone else. That's the Republican way.
- michaelpinto, on 10/30/2008, -7/+116Another sad thing about this chart: I'm willing to bet that in most of those blue states (like New York) local taxes (income, property and sales) are much higher than red states to make up for the lack of fed money coming back.
- inactive, on 12/08/2008, -5/+102On a side note, Overseer5 is spamming a whole list of pro-Obama comment threads with her very long, very "I'm repeating Repub talking points" post.
Just so you know. - Shiftgood, on 10/30/2008, -3/+81hey kae,
ok its a nice theory that we all live separate lives. But its simply not true. In reality we're all connected. You have to plan your taxing and spending in accordance to human behavior and social constructs. You might *think* you live some independent life from everyone else but i assure you its an illusion.
The fact is that people will take from you what they cannot get. basically, rape your wife, stab your son for lunch money, rob your house, stick you up at the ATM, break the law, hit you when their driving drunk on your way home, elect bad presidents, hinder the steps of progression that society needs to take to support its ever expanding demands as it grows.
now there are 2 ways to tackle this. 1 is very reactionary... buy a gun, put up bars on your windows, buy a big car, pay more taxes for more police, pay more taxes for more police, pay more taxes for more police and more prisons... pay more for more guns for your house, pay more for home security systems, pay more for advanced car safety.... and in the end, these steps are a retaliation to bad events. You cant use your gun until the threat of someone in your house is already there. You cant use your airbags untill you're getting T-boned at a red light... and police... well, they're really good at taking down "what the robber looked like" that just stabbed you at the ATM.
Or you could try to build a society from the bottom up with programs and education as to condition people, through their own understanding, to not act violently, to be self reliant and to address any mental or physical problems they might have. And all of this comes in the form of a few tax dollars out of your paycheck rather than all the money you would be spending for all the other crap.
you really cant escape it. No matter how angry you get or how many cuss words you use. So id start trying to figure out a new way of approaching things if i were you.
besides, you use the roads, teachers, fire department, military and the officials that conduct all of that. You say you dont need it, but thats only because you take it for granted... and they do their jobs for you without you having to remind them. - grbradsk, on 10/30/2008, -3/+75Republicans have a long history of being everything they say they are against. Remember Bush's "humbler foreign policy"? Small government?? "Fiscal conservative" (that should have everyone ROFLOL).
Well, you just knew when they started parroting the "socialist" line ... yep. Look at Alaska. Takes my tax money, taxes the hell out of business and uses all that to buy off the citizens because they "own" the resource. Socialists! And don't get me started on Bush's cronies -- they've done quite well off the war. - inactive, on 10/30/2008, -3/+71Feeling blue in a red state!
- bitfreak, on 10/30/2008, -7/+72You should change this to "why I am cutting and pasting unoriginal hyperbole and vacuous content"
- Insightful, on 10/30/2008, -4/+60Both Financial Times and The Economist endorsed Obama. Both must be well-known socialists tracts... oh wait...
- zenbud, on 10/30/2008, -9/+57Education, tolerance, curiosity. All that you lack. Poor scared little person . . . are your beliefs so weak that you believe this filth? Vote rich and live poor is the credo of the right wing nuts. Fundamentalist christians = Timothy McVie. How has that and the shrub worked for ya?
- algaeturd, on 10/31/2008, -11/+57This is easy to see. Red states are historically filled with undereducated, uneducated people with generations of welfare under their belt. That's the HILARIOUS part about all these people claiming 'socialism,' who don't even understand what the word means. These people are ***** idiots and hypocrites.
Hey red states, give me back all the tax money I've spent to pay for your food stamps, unemployment and health care! - apastafarian, on 10/29/2008, -2/+46I can't agree. If the editing were only done to correct typo's, small errors like the one above and the like it would be fine. Unfortunately, if editing were allowed you would have more than a few posters changing their comments in reaction to replies. I think it would kill thread continuity and lead to even more squabbling than usual around here.
- michaelpinto, on 10/30/2008, -13/+57Overseer5 has no friends - and we can see why...
- michaelpinto, on 10/29/2008, -6/+47I wish Digg would allow you to edit your own items after you submit ala Flickr!
- alwor, on 10/30/2008, -4/+44And there are more good numbers: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/80714812. ...
- ironhide, on 10/30/2008, -2/+42So you're saying it's ok to "distribute the wealth" from the more well-off states to the poorer, less populous states? Thanks for getting the point.
- jeffbw, on 10/31/2008, -2/+41Well, duh, that's why they call 'em red states. Bunch of socialists. Maybe we should start calling them
"welfare states" or "charity states" instead. - Ymeg, on 10/30/2008, -4/+42This is certainly not true.
Socialism for the rich, fascism for the everyone else would be much more fitting. The captalism you speak of cannot exist with the monstrosities that are at hand. - rock42, on 10/31/2008, -4/+41Even though alot of people wont read this (its too far down) i would just like to point out that in Houston, Texas we are mostly democrats and that our republicans are NORMAL. No one hates gays(I am one, so dont accuse me of over looking some stuff) and no one is racist. Out side of Houston their are some small groups that perpetuate the negative stereotype of what a Texan is, we hate them more that you do. I digress, the point of the comment is that Texas is on the good list, because ever sense GW bush left the average IQ started to grow exponentially.
My apologies for any bad grammar, spelling, etc - Supernova36, on 10/31/2008, -8/+45People only hate socialism by name. Most probably don't even know what it is.
- redfred18t, on 10/31/2008, -4/+37I thought New Orleans was a country
- Someguy101, on 02/19/2009, -4/+36I would gladly contribute to educating "Red" America.
- dinot, on 10/30/2008, -5/+36Where are all the McCain supporters? I want some spin, dammit!
- MorganMghee, on 10/30/2008, -2/+32I'm still diggin on your username... apastafarian.. makes me chuckle.
- homercles337, on 10/30/2008, -1/+30Well, after the 4th that list might be rather different. CO, NV, and FL may be blue.
Edit: Oops, pasta already said this. - nosecohn, on 10/30/2008, -6/+34I am voting "dugg down" because of fear-mongering propaganda regurgitated as talking points.
- bhowell, on 10/31/2008, -1/+29Poor New Jersey. They can't catch a break :(
- Shiloah, on 10/30/2008, -4/+32You are making a fool of yourself with these rants. It's obvious your purpose is not to enlighten but to annoy. What does that accomplish?
- chillypacman, on 10/31/2008, -1/+26It's not socialism if a conservative does it (TM)
- ThunderPigs, on 10/30/2008, -1/+25I would like to see state taxes compared to this.
- michaelpinto, on 10/30/2008, -5/+29Most government money to states is for social services not pork barrel projects. And sadly for you very little is spent on things like K-12 education...
- TVarmy, on 10/31/2008, -2/+26Another issue: A person could post something that makes it to the front page, then take advantage by changing it to a story to suit their own personal agenda without the community's proper support. That'd be terrible.
- MaxxOwens, on 10/31/2008, -10/+31THIS IS VERY MISLEADING
FYI, These numbers only account for state spent federal funds. Individual Federal aid is not accounted for... things like welfare, medicare, social security etc....
Don't take anything at face value....
Oh, I will be voting for O this week... so please don't try and pin this as some right wing post.... Dems their ilk will lie just as muck as the Rep.... - built2spill, on 10/31/2008, -1/+22I've been saying this for years. And frankly, there's nothing very wrong with this. I just wish they'd shut up about yelling "socialist" and "Liberal" etc. Look at Alaska, you pricks.
- SteveSgt, on 10/31/2008, -4/+24Ayn Rand was a sociopath who didn't understand that all of the best things in human society come from altruism. The very basis of our binding together into a society requires altruism. A world full of "I'm only in it for myself" sociopaths would not result in civilization or society, it would be anarchy and chaos.
- spaceshipsix, on 10/31/2008, -1/+20Awesome macho man! That's why civilized people don't like the southern states. ***** ego maniac nutjob *****.
I lost it a little there but they really do suck balls. - Zamboni33, on 10/31/2008, -1/+19"So, 99.9% of us loose more than we get."
You might have a point there because your education funding needs a boost in the spelling department. - cjsmith87, on 10/31/2008, -2/+19Yeah I live in texas where they hang people who try to "change" things. I am just screwed.
- Rally603, on 10/31/2008, -3/+19Here's to hoping Florida changes color this year and stays that way.
- michaelpinto, on 10/30/2008, -3/+19What exactly are those top 5 red states producing? Except for Texas (which is huge) the economic powerhouse states are blue.
- lendrick, on 10/31/2008, -6/+21Wow, I totally have to reply to this crap. :)
Why I am voting Democrat!
I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending MY MONEY than I would. I think when you spread the wealth around it is good for everybody! It’s Patriotic!
* I'm voting Democrat because the portion of my money that the government takes is better spent on things like police, fire protection, infrastructure, and a social safety net is better spent by the government than it would be by me.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. All profits are evil and should be confiscated for Government Redistribution.
* I'm voting Democrat because, bastard that I am, I think maybe companies ought to pay some taxes, as opposed to the many that consistently turn profits and, due to massive loopholes, manage to slip by paying very little tax money, if any.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe that MORE Government regulations and higher taxes on Business will stop Business from exporting their jobs to Countries with LESS Government regulations and lower taxes.
* I'm voting Democrat because some of the tax regulations we put in place *encourage* companies to outsource jobs, and the Democrats are in favor of repealing those regulations.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe terrorists should be allowed to have trials in American courts. And be able to subpoena top secret documents, soldiers, government officials, etc. to cross examine for their defense. They should have ACLU lawyers who can help intimidate Americans who serve on the juries!
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe suspected terrorists, along with any person accused of a crime, have an inalienable right to be tried in a court of law by a jury of their peers.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe Gay Marriage should be the law of the land and will probably produce better children.
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe equality should be the law of the land, regardless of someone's sexual orientation. Also, even if I didn't like gay people, how would gay people getting married hurt me, exactly? What does "violating the sanctity of marriage" even mean, apart from being a buzzword that people can throw out to explain otherwise indefensible homophobic outrage?
I'm voting Democrat because I believe English should not be the official language of the United States. I don’t mind pushing one for English when I use the phone.
* I'm voting Democrat -- well, I don't think the Democrats are making a big issue of this, and I think it makes sense that English be our official language. However, I support the right of companies to choose to serve customers who speak other nationalities, and despite my poor, tired finger, I don't mind occasionally pushing one for English when I use the phone.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe partial birth abortion is okay but water boarding a terrorist is disgusting.
* I'm voting Democrat because I'm capable of resolving shades of gray. That said, partial birth abortion and water boarding a terrorist are *both* disgusting. Fortunately, I'm able to differentiate between first, second, and third trimester pregnancies, and while I don't support abortion as birth control, I believe that a mother's health is a legitimate concern and that a 2-week-old fetus that still looks like a little amorphous ball of cells doesn't merit the same level of protection as one that's 7 months along.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe having a domestic terrorist like Bill Ayers as a close friend is a good thing. It allows for great relations with foreign terrorists.
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe Barack Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, a prominent member of the political scene who is respected by local Democrats *and* republicans, has been trumped up to the point of ridiculousness.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe in a FREE government health care system. I believe doctors, nurses, hospitals, drug companies, etc. will gladly donate their time, products, services, facilities, etc. for FREE and that will be a better system.
* I'm voting Democrat because, as a reasonably wealthy and well-off individual, I would be glad to accept higher taxes in order to subsidize health care for those who aren't as fortunate as me.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe in and support trial lawyers, frivolous lawsuits and outrageous jury verdicts.
* I'm voting Democrat because I don't believe that having massive amounts of money and resources should automatically give you a victory in a court of law, and that people shouldn't have to go broke just to defend themselves in court, or have to avoid bringing a completely legitimate case to court simply because their adversary can out-spend them by a factor of a thousand.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe 9/11 was an inside job to con the American people to go to war for oil.
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe that 9/11 was a result of utter incompetence, with the Bush Administration having ignored a clear warning of the coming attack. I'm voting Democrat because it sickens me that the Republicans in power used 9/11 as a convenient impetus to go to war over something completely unrelated.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe social security is solvent and that there is a social security lock box and I don’t believe social security is a Ponzi scheme.
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe that, in order for Social Security to remain solvent, we're going to need to pay down our national debt so that the money we're spending on interest can be directed toward other programs, such as Social Security.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe MOST AMERICANS are bitter and cling to their guns and religion. Let’s rid our country of guns and religion!
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe that *all* religions ought to be treated with dignity and respect, and that separation of church and state applies to all religions equally, and not just the ones I happen to not like very much. I'm voting Democrat because many Democrats, like me, are pro-gun.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe illegal aliens deserve all the rights of ordinary Americans plus some additional rights Americans do not have.
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe people crossing the border at airports deserve to be treated with dignity and respect, even if they're wearing Muslim garb.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe corporations should pay higher taxes! I believe higher taxes on business will make the price of their products and services LESS EXPENSIVE.
* I'm voting Democrat because -- ya know, I think we already covered this one up near the top of this little rant. Next!
I'm voting Democrat because I believe groups like ACORN who register felons, drug addicts, wino’s, homeless drifters, illegal aliens, dead people, children, fictional Disney characters, etc. makes my vote count more.
* I'm voting Democrat because I understand that ACORN was required by law to turn in *all* voter registration forms they had received, even ones they knew were faulty and had marked as such. I also understand that Mickey Mouse probably isn't likely to show up and vote. Furthermore, I'm voting Democrat because I believe votes ought to be tallied on paper and in front of people who wish to observe the counting process, as opposed to on machines that save no physical evidence of the vote and are shown to be easily tampered with, or by people who make false reports of a terrorist threat so they can count ballots in secret.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe celebrating the winter solstice shows compassion for the small minority of people that do not celebrate Christmas.
* I'm voting Democrat because I don't have a problem with other people celebrating the winter solstice if they want, even though it's not a celebration I'm particularly interested in participating in.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe hard core criminal murders and rapists deserve life and that the innocent unborn deserve death. It’s a choice I can live with.
* I'm voting Democrat because the death penalty has been shown repeatedly via DNA tests to be given to people who were innocent and put to death for crimes they did not commit. I'm voting Democrat because violent crime is statistically less in states where the death penalty is illegal. I'm voting Democrat because I'm capable of conceiving of situations where a pregnant woman may wish to abort a pregnancy even though she doesn't personally hate babies or want them all to die.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe Bush caused Hurricane Katrina and he blew-up the levies in the ninth ward of New Orleans.
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe Bush's incompetence and the incompetence of his cronies exacerbated the problems in New Orleans caused by Hurricane Katrina.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe that any one who is not partaking in one of the many wonderful government programs obviously has too much money and should pay higher taxes.
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe that the small and affordable tax increase I'll endure under a Democratic president is worth providing things like subsidized healthcare so people don't have to fear that a trip to the emergency room will drive them to bankruptcy.
I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq the terrorists will be happy and now think of us as good people.
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe they're probably going to hate us anyway, and spending more time there is going to just make it that much worse, given that the majority of Iraqis want us to leave their *sovereign nation* now.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe our soldiers are AIR RAIDING villages and killing innocent people.
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe our soldiers, having put their lives on the line on our behalf, deserve higher salaries, better medical care, and a chance to come home.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe sex in the Oval Office with an intern is a private matter and that everybody lies under oath about sex.
* I'm voting Democrat because I believe that wiretapping of innocent American citizens is a matter of concern to all citizens and it's high time someone testified about it under oath, instead of ducking congressional subpoenas and making ridiculous claims that testifying about it would compromise national security.
I'm votin Demokrat becuse I wus edumkated at a publick sckrool. I lik da Natsionel Edukatshun Assoseeashun!
* I'm voting Democrat because I was educated in a public school and went to a state university, and did just fine, thank you very much.
I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as it does not offend people. Can’t we all just get along?
* I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is freedom of speech, whether it offends tree huggers, war hawks, Muslims, Christians, or athiests. I'm voting Democrat because I believe that if there is porn on my internet, I'm perfectly capable of closing my browser or going to a different site -- or sticking around and enjoying some porn in the privacy of my own home, should I choose.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits are wrong. I believe higher taxes on oil companies will produce lower prices at the pump.
* I'm voting Democrat because I don't see where we get off *subsidizing* oil companies while they're making record profits, when that money could be put to better use helping people who are legitimately in need, or at least used to -- yes -- lower our own taxes. I'm voting Democrat because, even if I were a laissez-faire capitalist (which I'm not), I wouldn't be able to turn a blind eye to the glaring inconsistency in a position of ostensibly supporting laissez-faire capitalism and *also* supporting subsidies to large corporations.
I'm voting Democrat because I believe we need to rid ourselves of dependency on foreign oil, BUT I AM AGAINST offshore drilling for oil and natural gas, drilling in Anwar, building nuclear power plants and clean coal technology.
* I'm voting Democrat because, while I am completely in favor of offshore drilling, clean coal, and nuclear power, I understand that these are simply a stopgap measure, and, given the serious problem we have with carbon emissions and global warming, I understand that clean, renewable energy is the only *permanent* solution to our energy problem, and that we need to transition to it gradually instead of waiting until all of our resources are exhausted, causing a global economic crash for our grandchildren, the likes of which would make the great depression look like a new year's party.
And finally, I'm voting Democrat because I believe Reverend Wright when he said “GODDAMN AMERICA” and “OUR CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST”. Hey let’s make a comfortable nest for those chickens!
* I'm voting Democrat because I understand that one ***** Democrat doesn't represent the views of all Demorcats, much the same way that one ***** Republican doesn't represent the views of all Republicans.
Why are you voting Democrat?
* See above.
(Note: Feel free to copy-paste this reply if you see the above thread elsewhere.) - flaknugget, on 10/31/2008, -6/+21I'm voting republican because not only should the government spend my money, but also my children's and grandchildren's money.
I'm voting republican because I hate government so much, I will purposely vote in the most fiscally irresponsible politicians I can find, just so I can continue to hate everything the government does. - Wryly, on 10/31/2008, -1/+16Let's ask Joe the Plumber what he thinks. Can you imagine if Barack brought a 3rd party onto the stage? Wally the Welder?
- nosecohn, on 10/30/2008, -4/+18FSM FTW
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