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Rape Fears Lead Women Soldiers to Suicide

vermontguardian.com — U.S. female soldiers in Iraq were assaulted or raped by male soldiers in the women ’s latrines, and an alarming number committed suicide, Col. Janis Karpinski reportedly testified before an international human rights commission of inquiry last month.

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  • syphern, on 10/12/2007, -13/+30Thats just sad ffs
    • mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -8/+49linkedlist.. it's in this article too..

      "“Because the women were in fear of getting up in the darkness [to go to the latrine], they were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon,” Karpinski testified, according to a report on Truthout.org. “In the 100 degree heat, they were dying of dehydration in their sleep.”"
    • dissident, on 10/12/2007, -17/+181if I was a woman getting raped I'd take my gun and blow the brains out of the guy who did it after he was done... don't take ***** like that from primitive apes.
    • outsid3rNo17, on 10/12/2007, -21/+0Thats just stupid!
    • Nighttime, on 10/12/2007, -37/+8I would acually of believed her if she had testified before congress, kind of wonder why she didn't. I don't know about soldiers, I'm female and served 4 years in the Navy with no problems.
    • Axim, on 10/12/2007, -44/+9not to say this isn't ***** up but dying from dehydration seems pretty ridiculous. i tree plant and our generator shuts off at 10 so no water until morning..

      and guess what we do? USE A THERMOS. not to undermine the statements here but really that a pretty ridiculous story
    • flydpnkrtn, on 10/12/2007, -11/+109@linkedlist: We carry an M-16, M-249 SAW or M-9 with us wherever we go when deployed (I'm posting from Baghdad right now), with a 30 round magazine (for the M-16, can't speak for the SAW or M-9).
      The females can choose to bring their weapon with them when they go pee (which if I was a female I'd sure as hell do out here).
      I'm not saying it's right that soldiers are raping soldiers, however I don't understand how the women out here don't bring their weapon EVERYWHERE with them
    • Fumz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27Nighttime,

      Is it your claim that because she didn't say this before Congress she's lying and not to be believed? You seem to be suggesting that because you served without issue, everyone else's experience must mirror yours?
    • ZbigyBrzez, on 10/12/2007, -62/+11The US army is the world's premier disciplined fighting force. LMFAO.
      WE CAN KICK ANYONE'S ARSE. WE CAN RAPE ANYONE'S ARSE ALSO.
      Full of gang banging Mexican mercenaries, kill a few a-rabs, rape a few of our fellow soldiers, hey what the hell this is the ARMY, RAPE IS GOOD.

      By the way STUPID, Rapist, Genocidal, Racist, Pathetic Americans, 9/11 was an inside job, your government blew up WTC 1 and 2 and 7, so you just go fly your stars and stripes and enjoy.

      KILL THOSE A-RABS, TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT. YOU F--KING IDIOTS. I LOVE W. KILL KILL KILL THOSE A-RABS THEY CARRIED OUT 9-11. YOU STUPID, DUMB IDIOTS.
    • mdhauke, on 10/12/2007, -15/+10I can some of the people who posted above think our deployed sites are some type of rape concentration camps for woman. sigh, the ignorance of those who never served.
    • Hillsfar, on 10/12/2007, -8/+41If you want to more in-depth information on the state of women and rape in the military - especially including Iraq - you'll do well to read this article from Salon.com:

      "The Private War Of Women Soldiers"
      by Helen Benedict
      March 7, 2007 on Salon.com

      Here's a quote:
      "Rape, sexual assault and harassment are nothing new to the military. They were a serious problem for the Women's Army Corps in Vietnam, and the rapes and sexual hounding of Navy women at Tailhook in 1991 and of Army women at Aberdeen in 1996 became national news. A 2003 survey of female veterans from Vietnam through the first Gulf War found that 30 percent said they were raped in the military. A 2004 study of veterans from Vietnam and all the wars since, who were seeking help for post-traumatic stress disorder, found that 71 percent of the women said they were sexually assaulted or raped while in the military."

      And:
      "'The knife wasn't for the Iraqis,' says one woman. 'It was for the guys on my own side.'"

      Here's the link:
      http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/07/women_in_military/index_np.html
      (Note: You'll have to watch a brief ad - or if you have doubleclick.net killed in your Host file like I do, you won't - and then a link to "Enter Salon" will appear.)
    • emrys, on 10/12/2007, -12/+10@axim

      You pee in a thermos?
    • an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30The really ***** up thing here is the manipulation of reports of cause of death in order to conceal the problem.
      That's what makes the commanders complicit.
    • FTLJohnson, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17I wonder if they'll program THAT into the next version of "America's Army" - They ARE trying to make it REALISTIC to entice new recruits right?
      "BE ALL YOU CAN BE"
    • agentofchange, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27My Solution,
      Tell female soldiers to bring their side-arms to the bathroom,
      if anybody tries to rape them, Just shoot them in the head,
      The less rapists in the army the better.

      Knowing the Pentagon it would probably just get written off a a friendly fire incident and neither family would be notified.
    • mdhauke, on 10/12/2007, -19/+7Wow, just goes to show how many extremist liberals are part of this site if year old bull crap like this can make the top ten.
    • Legato, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10if the pentagon is stingy enough to limit bullet proof vests to soldiers, would it be too much to ask to order a few of these?

      http://digg.com/tech_deals/Anti_rape_Device_to_Hit_the_Market

      http://digg.com/tech_deals/the_origional_anti_rape_device_or_Holy_god_that_would_suck_X_infinity
    • gldfshnpcklejar, on 10/12/2007, -12/+32What?! You put a whole bunch of good ol' boys with testosterone flowing out every orifice in their body in another country... the kind of men who are going to sign up so they can kill other people... and you think it's also unusual that they can't control themselves and want to rape other women in the military. 2+2=4
    • asian1, on 10/12/2007, -19/+3This would have never been reported on during a "righteous" Clinton-led war, like Kosovo.
    • an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Support the troops.
      Don't attack the media for reporting it. Don't attack the soldiers for honorably serving in difficult circumstances.
      Conservative or progressive- supporting the troops means being concerned with the individual well-being of the soldiers.
    • Nydas, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Yes sexual harassment is a big deal in the Army, but its a big deal in any job. I'm deployed in Iraq right now and I'm in a sustainment command, so about 1/4-1/2 of our company is female. We have been here about 7 months now and have had around 12 complaints. How many of these are true, theres no way to know (My ex, for instance, was one of the complainers. She, a PFC, ended up getting a SSG demounted to SGT. Even though her roommate testified against her complaint, saying it didn't happen and it wasn't true).

      Women get their own rooms and showers. We have sexual harassment classes every few months. What more can be done? The fact of the matter is we have sex starved people stationed away from wifes and girlfriends for up to a year. Its gonna happen. am i defending their behavior? No. In fact i think soldiers who cheat on their significant other while deployed are pathetic.(seriously, going one year without sex is NOT that hard. In fact, its not a whole year since people take R&R and get to go home) But people are weak and only care about their own needs.
    • Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Wasn't this hypothetical situation the reason why they banned gay soldiers? Great, now they're going to start banning straight soldiers as well.
    • SJS111567, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20@linkedlist

      It's not difficult to have ammo in the barracks when you're in a war zone. I was stationed near Baghdad when my unit deployed to Iraq. Everyone maintains their basic combat load. If you are carrying an M-16/M-4 or something along those lines, thats (7) 30 round magazines, 210 rounds.

      Our barracks were just a bunch of trailers that had been partioned into 2 person rooms. The latrines were at either end of the rows of trailers, so depending on where your particular trailer was located, it could be between 20 feet and 60 or so yards to go to the latrines. And it is kept dark at night, no lights outside, so the insurgents with mortar tubes don't have any easy target to zero in on.

      I was in a medical unit, so my company was about 50% female. We had problems with soldiers from other units coming around late at night, looking for some action. On a couple of occasions, they even used their bayonets to jimmy the cheap locks on the doors to rooms where female soldiers were sleeping. Our company commander instituted patrols around the barracks trailers at night, which were carried out by the male soldiers in our unit. If we saw anyone moving around in the area, we detained them and identified them. If they couldn't present proof of a legitimate reason for being there, they were escorted down to where we had someone monitoring the radios all night long, and detained until their company commander or 1st Sergeant came and picked them up.

      Most of the female soldiers appreciated the extra sense of security from having these roving patrols at night, but a few of them very much disliked the interuption it caused in their love life, and the resulting reduction in income they experienced when their customers stopped coming around.
    • hoshizakistar, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4@ SJS111567

      ah yes, I forgot that most female soldiers were whores. thank you for sliding that into the last little bit of your story so we can be reminded of how these women all deserved what they got.

      /sarcasm and dislike of SJS11567
    • TheTaoOfBill, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I was actually just wondering about this...because you always hear about soldiers raping civilians I figured they probably would be willing to rape their own soldiers too. It's pretty sad indeed. Just another reason why war should always be a last resort. Too bad Bush never quite understood the downsides of war. I hope he deep down under all the political ***** he realizes the mistake he made.
    • TheTaoOfBill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9also sorry i wasn't able to edit in time but how did SJS111567 say that most female soldiers were whores. Didn't he say that most female soldiers appretiated the extra security while a few of them were looking to prostitute themselves. He was only giving his experience on the situation and you digg him down because you didn't like what you heard.
    • Jagdwulfe, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7I call ***** on this article. I am currently in Camp Fallujah Iraq and we do not have any of these problems. These is more liberal hysteria aimed at demoralizing the military and the public.
    • diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Too bad Bush never quite understood the downsides of war. I hope he deep down under all the political ***** he realizes the mistake he made."

      Bush never realizes mistakes. Right now he is beating his meat while dreaming of invading Iran.
    • SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This shows serious issues. If I were the CO of that group, I would sit with each woman in private and find out who did it. That man would be put under arrest and charged.

      Simple.
    • Cleanlyness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1***** limeys and assies
    • loveandrockets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A drill sergeant during the Vietnam war said "There is nothing move vicious than the 18 year old American male."

      (I think he was bragging about his superior training skills but it remains a telling quote.)

  • dannyapplesauce, on 10/12/2007, -17/+102I think suicide is a bit misleading in this article. "they were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon" ... "In the 100 degree heat, they were dying of dehydration in their sleep."

    Suicide implies they planned on killing themselves. I mean it's awful that they are afraid to go to the bathroom at night but that doesn't qualify their deaths as suicide.

    Misleading ...
    • flydpnkrtn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+37calling it suicide sounds like it's all part of the spin... rather than an uglier name like "death due to fear of rape"
    • HunterTV, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I agree, when I read the title I flashed on images of female soldiers putting rifles in their mouths Full Metal Jacket style, and thought "Really? Soldiers?" not even female soldiers but soldiers in general commiting suicide is alarming.

      Which sucks because the article should be read, but I want to bury it as inaccurate.
    • smurfmaster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10What I don't get... why didn't they just pee into bottles in the bedroom and get rid of them the next day? It's such a simple solution.

      Even better would be if the army set up bathrooms with proper lighting and an armed watchman/watchwoman.

    • caketank, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@smurfmaster:

      Even better would be swift and severe punishment for rapists.

      Jesus, this isn't an environmental problem. It's not like getting sand in your weapon, or getting sunburn. Women don't just get raped, somebody rapes them.
    • Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I think smurf was just pointing out a better solution to dehydrating yourself until someone gets these pricks.
    • hoshizakistar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3isn't it hard for women to pee into bottles? I'm pretty sure their aim isn't as accurate as a man's...

      which is probably not the case in terms of guns.
  • rnwen2750, on 10/12/2007, -8/+38Sick. Just sick.
    • kaelyiesta, on 10/12/2007, -22/+61And that is why I tell people who say "It's fine to be against the war, but respect the soldiers" to ***** off. Soldiers are like any other set of people, some good and some bad. They do not automatically earn my praise and admiration for getting paid to risk their lives.
    • mdhauke, on 10/12/2007, -30/+13@kaelyiesta

      And that is praise you will never earn.
    • ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Soldiers raping people? Where is the world coming to?
    • SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3@kaelyiesta
      You're really pathetic. The troops are out there in the middle of a ***** desert getting paid low wages and risking their lives because they think they are defending YOUR freedoms and your life.

      They all deserve the utmost respect for what they do, even the ones who are negligent or even criminal in some of their actions. You cannot talk about what they do or complain about the respect they get until you put your own life on the line. You cannot judge their actions until you've been in similar situations.

      You're lucky there are brave men and women to defend you, because you clearly never would yourself. Unless it's through the anonymity a computer screen.
  • trifle, on 10/12/2007, -33/+7Over a year old.
  • gadalla, on 10/12/2007, -13/+74its amazing, the people that are supposed to represent and protect our country, are some of the most despicable we have to offer.

    (not talking about all soldiers)
  • reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -16/+32I was watching Bill Maher and he mentioned to this. To paraphrase him: "We have thousands and thousands of soldiers there but no pussy for them".

    It's shocking how the American women themselves have to protect themselves from the 'freedom givers'.
    • CGreen, on 10/12/2007, -22/+10Uhm, did he have a point with that statement?
    • Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27Despite all the political correctness we try to have, and that we are trying so hard to be "fair" and put women in combat situations, the truth hasn't changed much in the history of war.
      There are good and bad soldiers, there are good and bad people.
      Legislation and "awareness of women's rights" cannot and will not change human nature, and if women are put into combat, this IS going to happen.
      It's wrong, it's evil, it's flat out disgusting. but it IS going to happen and will not stop.
      War is FILLED with horrible things, and this will remain one of them.
    • BESTenemy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26Good soldiers kill, bad soldiers rape, is that how it works?
    • Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5"Good soldiers kill, bad soldiers rape, is that how it works?"

      Yeah, pretty much that's how it works... Sad but true. Always was, always will be.
      War is all about killing. They kill us or we kill them.
      Carry a protest sign if you like, but remember that lots of countries kill and jail protesters.
      Another fact that sucks. So sorry, but that's the way it is.

      So why don't you write a poem and put it to music so you feel good about yourself.
    • Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Good soldiers kill, bad soldiers rape.

      Yea, that's the gist of it. Some of the assholes in the world are open to reason, others aren't. What then?
    • citizensunite, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4It is amazing how stupid people can be at Digg. Rape is about POWER, not Sex! Men rape because they feel powerless, and if this happens in the military it is because of a failure of LEADERSHIP. Hint for the ladies, dont give off the victim vibe. Carry yourself with authority, and nobody will ***** with you(usually).
      • digduggrunt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, I respectfully disagree that in overseas military deployments to hostile areas, rape is more about sexual frustration. I can assure you that men in the military do not feel powerless, in fact, you would be pretty dissapointed in some of our fresh PVTs, PV2s, PFCs, who are away from home for the 2nd or 3rd time in their life and are authorized to use deadly force and get paid to do it. They get a big head. The government and public act as though it's nothing to ask young aggressive men to go without sexual relief for 12 to 15 months, all the while risking their lives and wondering if anyone back home gives a damn. Yes, there is R&R, but if you think 2 weeks is something soldiers should be grateful and kiss massa's hand for, you have no idea how much more they deserve. Yes, there are some horny young women who're serving alongside the men, but the severely lopsided ratio would put the largest recorded hetero-gangbang to shame. And there's no way, even if they were willing, which most are not, for them to help all the men out. The soldiers who need that stress relief the most have a few to no women around them because they're combat arms. Ironically it is the married men who feel the need the most, despite a "sure thing" when, IF he gets home alive. Am I misogynistic? Maybe I come across like it. But I'm willing to speak my mind as well as the truth, and not sugarcoat or PC-ize it. Most women I've spoken my mind to overseas obviously suggest using your hand and a spank mag. Two problems. The hand gets old fast and thanks to offended servicewomen (it sure ain't the Muslims who are "against porn" according to General Order 1A, which bans porn on Middle East deployments, but in real life cannot get enough of it!), health and welfare inspections toss and burn all our carefully aquired stashes. It's a sad but true fact, if a servicewoman is horny, she can get off and pad her bank account if she liked. If you're a serviceman, you're ***** out of luck.
        Am I condoning rape? No, I'm not. I wouldn't ever want that to happen to any woman, especially those who wear the same uniform as myself. But I want civilians, perhaps especially feminists, to look at the problem from outside the box, and be open to explanations that you may not like to hear. Look at the situation where porn is taken away, there's one woman who may or may not be sexually active, for every three to four hundred men, no prostitution can be found or hell, allowed, and where do you think that pent up frustration goes? It's released on the Iraqis in the form of being rough, and sometimes on female troops as rape.
    • Waterrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Sanchez’s attitude was: “The women asked to be here, so now let them take what comes with the territory"

      So he really does not give a *****...What an *****.
      I bet if MEN were being attacked and raped he'd be on the problem faster than flies on *****.
  • Chyng, on 10/12/2007, -26/+8Didn't that used to be General Karpinski the head dominatrix of Abu Ghraib, and wasn't this story debunked a couple of years ago. Things must be looking up in Iraq if this is the best the moonbats can come up with!
    • dlbear, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7I don't know about the story being debunked or even whether it's true or not, but I think you're right about Janis Karpinski, the general who either didn't know or didn't care what her troops were doing (yeah right). I thought she retired.
    • nycmac247, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7wow
      We have testimony from dozens and dozens of women and you are claiming that they made it up.
      Then, to add (literally) insult to injury you call them "moonbats."
      Is your idea of sophistication being dimissive of the suffering of others?
  • camino262, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24It is very sad that this has happened to the women that are over there fighting for us. However, crime in the military is not uncommon. Why do you think the military has it's own police? There is bound to be a percentage of any population that will commit a crime no matter if they are in Iraq or in the U.S. somewhere. I hope the MP's find who is doing this and the appropriate punishment is served.
    • Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23This particular case probably revolves around one or a few serial rapists in a camp, but the chief problem here seems to have been a leadership which refused to acknowledge there was even a problem, for political or career reasons.
    • spearce, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18during a war time deployment, where civil laws enter a big gray area, it's not uncommon for soldiers to start stepping in and out of the confines of the law on a daily basis. i.e. the vids of soldiers driving Iraqis off the road just for ***** and giggles during convoys and patrols (something i was ordered to do if necessary), soldiers stealing from Iraqis during raids (i know guys who did it), and buying a selling contraband on the black market (i enjoyed my johnny walker while i was in Iraq).
  • Bladeva, on 10/12/2007, -103/+6Maybe if they put out once in a while this wouldn't happen.
    • carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29so it's their own fault? screw someone once in a while or they'll make you?
    • mattxb, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Holy *****. I hope your just trying to make a sick joke.
    • AhmedF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I sense some bitterness ...
  • zapa, on 10/12/2007, -28/+3NAGGERS!!!!
  • tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -71/+9Well what do you expect? All those men over there are going to get horny and wanna ***** something. This is why women do not belong in the armed forces.
    • Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+54No. That's why _you_ don't belong in the armed forces.
    • silverwolfe, on 10/12/2007, -11/+28They can always ***** themselves! If inmates can do it, than you can too! :D
    • shinigami2057, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10You are disgusting.
  • TheGuruStud, on 10/12/2007, -18/+11Why aren't whores hired???
    • Satanael, on 10/12/2007, -18/+1Don't think there's any whores over there TO hire.
    • spearce, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6they're there...but they're stinky. their pimps aren't as nice as ours either. *WOOT* the "there they're their" trifecta!
  • Satanael, on 10/12/2007, -9/+52I'm sure somewhere there's an Iraqi soldier reading this saying, "Man, that's ***** up."
    • SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4You're an idiot. Muslim men treat their women worse than any culture in the world.

      ***** liberal PC assholes.
  • Alchemeron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Is the date correct? "posted February 8, 2006"?
    • whistlerpro, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14I don't think it matters when it was posted, it desturbing nonetheless.
    • Loonacy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Extremely misleading when the summary says "last month" without reference to the date.
  • silverwolfe, on 10/12/2007, -25/+4This story is over a year old now, kinda late to be bringing it up.
    • orientis, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19"Alright, then don't bring up Jesus to me. It was a long time ago! Get over it!"
    • jackharrybill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22It's never too late to bring justice
    • blork1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8There is no chance to survive make your time.
    • SuckMyDigg, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Ha Ha Ha!

      Take off every Zig !! You know what you doing. Move Zig. For great justice.
  • Plinkotic, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Disgusting. Execute every monster proven to have committed this. What's the military doing for the victimized soldiers?(I'm not sure how to put that, I almost said "Helping these girls", and I realized my own sis would hit me for that)

    /this really brings me down
    //Stephen Colbert's doing James Cameron on an old The Wrong Coast
    ///missed it the first time, had no internet
  • thehuntedpossum, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20this is horrible and all, but they're soldiers, why didn't they just take their weapons with them, or go in groups? no lighting, take a flashlight...

    i'm not in any way defending the perps, but it seems certain steps could have been taken to minimize the occurances.
  • morel42, on 10/12/2007, -9/+7
    Put these ***** against a wall and blow there ***** worthless brains out.

    This is what happens when you train people to be ***** animal like KILLERS instead of soldiers..

  • LoneRanger85, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5NOW you believe Karpinski? Where was all this blind faith when she claimed to have nothing to do with what happened at Abu Ghraib?
  • lllUKDlll, on 10/12/2007, -13/+42*News Flash*

    Soldiers get paid to kill whoever their commander points at, they're not the most morally astute fellas.

    (prepares to get savagely dugg down)
    • cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11See kinokonoko's post below yours.

      Soldiers do not get paid to "kill whoever their commander points at", they get paid to carry out a mission. Sometimes (most often during armed conflict) the tasks they carry out involve protecting others or carrying out assaults, using deadly force.

      It is the responsibility of those who train and lead the soldiers to provide the ethical and moral framework in which they carry out those tasks, not just to know when to kill, but to understand the consequences of following out orders to do so, and the difference between force used on combat and force used for personal gain. A responsibility that sometimes seems to have been left behind in the effort to "fight the terrists".
    • RoskMachine, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8@ cquinnd

      Sooo...the fact that they're paid to murder is not in dispute, correct?
      • hlherron, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0It is. Paid to fight is different. I they dropped their weapons, they are captured. If they fire a weapon, they are killed. Sounds a little more like a cross between a police action and self defense.
    • andrewgreve, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3War = murder.
      Taxes = theft.
      Government = evil.
      • hlherron, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0WAR is an extension of diplomacy. It's mans oldest contact sport and it's not going to stop anytime soon.
        Taxes. The amount of money you pay for protection, law and order. If I live in a tent and only own a shopping cart, nobody's gonna rob me so taxes don't mean much to me. If I live in a nice house, have a nice car and nice things, taxes because an issue. The government uses taxes to pay for services that keep the county stable.
        Government. A elected group of leaders who spend money like women with credit cards and a vendetta against their husband, that make poor decision that the people they represent have to like with.
    • flydpnkrtn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4We DO NOT get paid to "shoot whoever the commander points at." There is such a concept in the military of a Lawful versus Unlawful order. Carrying out an unlawful order will land you in just as much trouble as your CO.

      Put in other terms, if my CO orders me to shoot the Iraqi who has done nothing wrong and is just standing there, BOTH of us can be tried for MURDER/Homicide.

      "LAWFUL ORDERS An order must be lawful. Any order imposing punishment outside the framework of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is unlawful."
      http://tpub.com/content/advancement/12024/css/12024_31.htm
    • tehgooch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Lawful does not necessarily mean morally good. Everything Hitler did was "lawful".
      • hlherron, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Morality... A tricky word. Is it moral to let someone die, even though they did nothing wrong, because saving them would cause 100 of others to die?
        "The needs of the many, out weigh the needs of the few" - Captain Spock (Star Trek III)
        "If mom finds out, we're all grounded. I got an ideal. Lets flip coins and the odd one out takes the blame" - My brother, sister and I trying to figure out who was going to take the blame for something and get the beating that usually came along with the blame.
  • RAEP, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4*****. Up.
  • Kufr, on 10/12/2007, -8/+52If the american soldiers do this to their own women, I wonder how they are treating civilian Iraqi women?
    • spearce, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19exactly...it's not difficult to imagine that a few soldiers that get paid to put holes in Iraqis all day long would have a degenerative appreciation for human life in general.
    • Kevinb1577, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10there raping them too, except killing them after
    • Khilafa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I guess thats why Iraqi prefer manual beheading with dogs like these.....if you are that dog and offend don't be, just think what would you do if that was your mother.....Don't tell me you would call police...thats double dog...
  • allhard, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20I'm sorry, and I love our soldiers.. But there is a rant to be done here.

    In the United States, joining the Armed Forces is the easiest way to get a gun. The absence of any true qualifications for the job allow any F'ed up hillbilly to join up and be trained in armed and unarmed combat. A post-secondary requirement would make a lot of sense.. Plus, you hire those screwed up perverts.. Why not the gays?
    • Nighttime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Joining the armed forces is the easiest way to get a gun? I think going to the store 5 mins from my house might be easier.
      • hlherron, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0The easiest is a gun show. No background checks required. That's a loophole in the criminals have been using for years. In the military, it's not as easy to get a gun as you may think.
  • SomaliWarLord, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4soilders are basically meat heads x 100
    we nerds know that from highschool.. sex and war is all their good at.
    • RFKirb, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7SomaliWarlord paints with a pretty broad brush. I wonder how many of his classmates are in Iraq right now. As in any large group, there are some who are the "bad apples." I have the pleasure of saying I am a Sergeant in the United States Army. The finest men and women that I have ever known have been in the Army, and they certainly don't need to defend themselves from an idiot like this guy
    • boybunny, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Who said meatheads are good at sex? Some women do like large stupid men and enjoy the act, but I have not seen a large swing by women claiming that meatheads are good at sex.

      Remember there are large guys that are not meatheads who please most of these women. There are also an overwhelming number of average sized meatheads who have no physical or mental prowess in bed. Well other than getting women blind drunk.
    • boybunny, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1RFKirb

      You don't get out much do you. You don't generally meet many types in the military. It's hard to get to know the people you are killing.
    • CZzyzx41, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Do you even know any soldiers? Or perhaps that jackass that beat you up in school joined the Army so now ALL soldiers are like him?

      Oh and it's they're not their. I'll be taking those nerd points from you. Thank you very much for playing.
  • LaSepultura, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6I'm not saying what the male soldiers did is right, but this can be avoided with some prostitutes. I know I would consider joining the Army if I got a free prostitute like every 2 or 3 nights.
    • CZzyzx41, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yes and an STD every 2 or 3 prostitutes. Way to kill off the platoon, soldier.
      • hlherron, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Not if you use a condom. Getting my dick sucked sure calms me down. :)
    • Spacejack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0CZyyhwhatever:

      Thanks for the FUD. What with all of those hundreds of fatal STDs and everything.
    • xirkonia, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1Why can't the male soldiers just masturbate? It's not that ***** hard.
  • RFKirb, on 10/12/2007, -19/+5This story is complete BS. This woman is a disgrace to America's Armed Forces. She was unable to rid herself of the albatross of Abu Graib, so this is her callous attempt at revenge against the top brass that rightfully demoted her ass. This will get a knee-jerk reaction from those who are woefully ignorant of the Military, as well as serve as ammunition for those that seek America's downfall on the world stage. There is a difference between political dissent and aid and comfort to the enemy.
    • kinokonoko, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5You are in denial. You have no proof of what you claim, that her claims are false, that she is seeking revenge, etc. Read my comment below.
    • Twelvevolts, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4When someone says someone is in denial - my BS detector immediately starts working. Where is there a scrap of evidence that this story is true?
    • netant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1No, the top brass COWARDLY demoted her. Charging her with a bogus shoplifting accusation rather than knowing administered a prison camp committing human rights violations.
  • Juroujin, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2There are women in the military?
  • kinokonoko, on 10/12/2007, -12/+55This is happening because the US Army's standards for enrollment have dropped way down -- mental incompetents, gangbangers, petty criminals, high school drop outs... the list goes on. Instead of a highly professional fighting force, you have a bunch of lowlifes with a few months training going over there with high powered weapons and little authority or law around them.

    I am a Canadian soldier and recently came back from a joint exercise with US Forces in Virginia. The marines we met where totally unprofessional -- on a march with no sargeants around, they would drag their weapons in the dirt behind them, saying "Yah, f*ck this sh*t. I be tired..." No respect for the uniform or the values and morals of the country that it represents.

    In many ways, the army is a perfect reflection of its commander-in-chief.

    Regardless of the quality of these men, they are still boys essentially, 18~24 most of them, hormones raging, in a place where they are the law. Since they look at the possibility of death in the face everyday, it should come as no surprise that they rape. What else do they have to look forward to in life? With murder and mahem all around you causing intense combat stress, planning and carrying out a rape with your buddies is a pleasant diversion. What is surprising is who they are raping. If they are willing to rape each other, the very people they count on to watch their own backs, just imagine how much worse the Iraqi people are being treated. I'm sure that rape-case reported in the media last year of a 16 year girl with the slaughter of her family in the next room at the hands of US soliders was not an isolated occurance.

    Unfortunately, all of this lends credibility to the Islamic Extreemist's claim that the US is the Great Satan.
    • spearce, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5i guess soldiers raping soldiers never happend when the standards were "way up"? i wish i would have enlisted during that golden age of service.
    • mdhauke, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4Standards have gone way down? From when? Did you know that there is a larger percentage of the enlisted force that have their Undergrad degrees then ever before?
    • cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@spearce, the impression given is that more effort was made to hold the soldiers accountable for their actions during other periods of service.

      @mdhauke, there is also a larger range of enlistees from a diversity of backgrounds, and a larger component of ground forces placed on extra extended duty with few signs of relief, due to poor planning on the part of the civilian authority. Having the degree puts a soldier in a better position to learn and practice leadership, but does not automatically earn them leadership skills.

      I'm sure there are as many good examples of our troops in action as kinokonoko can come up with bad ones, but that doesn't mean the bad ones are not a sign of a larger problem.
    • spartansblade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Since they look at the possibility of death in the face everyday, it should come as no surprise that they rape"

      I don't care what the excuse, there is none that justifies rape. Period.
    • ozziedog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It seems the American soldier is at an all time low point. Never that disciplined to start with, they have become worse. I've heard stories from WW2 Canadian vets on American military incompetence but it seems much worse now. The Marines are one of the most dangerous forces in the world to allies and Marines alike. The incidence of friendly fire deaths is ridiculous and yet I hear of no one getting charged. There is little professionalism in the US forces and too much reliance on technology. The American armed forces need discipline and training. However that is against the mantra of "support our troops" and in direct cultural conflict with the myth of rugged American individualism. For example, I have yet to see an American war movie where soldiers followed orders. The hero always breaks orders and is then portrayed as doing the right thing.

      When you give medals to the sailors responsible for shooting down an Iranian passenger jet, it's little wonder that the US armed forces are in such dire straights today.
  • tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -37/+4Women do not belong in the armed forces. Stupid ass ***** don't realize what there getting themselves into. Not only getting raped by your own soldiers but also the mental toll war is going to put in their head forever. War is something a man can't even stomach after seeing the worst. These women should be glad they would never have to see war if the draft were ever to be reinstated.
    • pathy, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26Oh ***** off you sexist little *****.

      Just because these ***** can't keep their dicks in their pants doesn't mean women don't belong in the forces - You know what doesn't belong? Sadistic ***** that are willing to cause mental and physical suffering on their fellow human beings JUST SO THEY CAN HAVE A ***** ORGASM.

      This has jack ***** ***** to do with women being in the army, and I'm betting some of the female soldiers do ***** other than lifting heavy things a lot ***** better than some of the males.

      Women don't belong in the army, ***** you. People that have no regard for human life don't belong in the army. If you're going to take lives in combat, you have to understand just exactly what you're doing.
    • tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -28/+3You don't have to understand what your doing. When you join the military they train you to be a killing machine. This is war. Kill them before they kill you is all that matters. And if women who join don't want to get raped, then don't join because it can and will happen, those men have dicks.
    • Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Women should be drafted. Can't have sexual discrimination in our modern times of gender equality. We'll soon see the end of war when they see what they will face.
    • CZzyzx41, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11You know what's funny about your comment? You never signed up. Never stood a day in boot camp. Never once saw combat action. WTF are you to say who should and shouldn't be in the military? Sign the papers and stand your post.

      If I'm wrong and you did sign up (and I'm pretty sure I'm not and you didn't) then as a good little soldier you ought to be keeping your mouth shut. I'm pretty sure no one gave you the permission to speak.
  • garths, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5According to the link below Karpinski is making stuff up. Apparently she has made some verifiably false statements on this topic of rape, including that a female Master Sergeant died of dehydration in September 2003, when in fact no female Master Sergeants have died in Iraq (at least at the time of writing).

    http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/004141.html

    Also, remember that Colonel Karpinski used to be General Karpinski, and was responsible for Abu Ghraib. This doesn't help her credibility.
    • indolin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The primary reason given in your Mudville Gazette article that the claim of dehydration
      is "absurd" is "that death by dehydration takes a little longer than a couple hours
      without fluids, even in the hottest conditions".
      http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/004141.html

      The Mudville article offers a quotation from another article to back up this claim:
      "According to this rather grim article in the Annals of Internal Medicine, it takes
      'several days to a few weeks for death to occur by this means' - if no liquid is ingested at all.

      That is a misquote. This is what the article said: "death by terminal dehydration normally
      takes several days to occur..." If we can assume that 120 degree heat is not what the
      authors meant by "normally" then death in a few hours from dehydration seems plausible.



      http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/128/7/559


      "death by terminal dehydration normally takes several days to occur"
    • spearce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@indolin
      *****. you've obviously never been in those types of temperatures and climates. take a trip out to the middle east and work some 12 hour shifts in the 120+ heat. heat related injuries can happen ridiculously fast. I've been to Kuwait (temps of 135' +), Afghanistan (120' +), and Iraq (120'+). I've worked long hours in this kind of heat. I've swallowed gallons of water during a work day and not pissed once. if you don't stay on top of your fluid intake you can pass the hell out quick. heat exhaustion and stroke are no joke and they can sneak up on someone quickly and you could die. it happens.

      *edit* never mind indolin. just reread your post...but mine still stands though.
    • boybunny, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2spearce

      The Temps you have quoted I doubt you were in for more than an hour. If you were you would have cooked at a cellular level. Even cacti die in 113 F Temps.

      I don't disagree that the temps can spike in small areas... but I have found way too many people including the media exaggerate the weather for shock value.
    • spearce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12@boybunny

      obviously you've never been on a war time deployment to the middle east. i wish it had only been an hour. next time your in Camp Doha Kuwait stop by the vehicle wash rack in the summer time.
      Our thermometer pegged at 150' on the asphalt. i did weeks of 12 hour shifts on that wash rack cleaning our battalions vehicles with no shade.

      in Kandahar we had no A/C units because that mission was last minute and under planned. i couldn't sleep for days on end because of the heat which would hit 120'+ and stay there all day long. tents turn into saunas which get much hotter.

      in Baghdad i pulled many a hajji detail in the 120'+ degree heat. i escorted Iraqi contractors around camp victory all day long day after day.

      you sir haven't the faintest idea what that heat feels like. go sit in your car in the middle of the summer with all the windows rolled up. now imagine that all day long while your working.
    • flydpnkrtn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@spearce: Yep I rotate in and out of TCN (third country national) guard duty all this month...

      That ***** sucks man. And no, those temperatures aren't exaggerated at all. I love how people throw opinions out there, never having been to the Middle East, let alone Iraq.
  • averagemario, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Surely magnetic ribbons will help fix this problem!
  • jiggawoot, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0Do you have to pass high school English to become a journalist in Vermont?
  • SLuM, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Damn all these years of war, women have contributed alot to war.
    Also the male to female ratio is 1:1 in the army not 250:1.
    Women are stronger, faster and smarter than men in battle during times of war.
    O man I think I'm ***** lying that's why they don't let women in special forces because they're physically inadequate for jobs that require force and speed.
    • badteeth, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3stronger, faster and smarter, maybe, but according to this article they're also extremely prone to getting raped
  • Jovianco, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2This sounds like a urban myth; I had not hear before of any women dying
    of dehydration; I am sure the military would arrange something after it the first time happened.
    I do believed people are having consensual sex in the army, and maybe sexual harassment still
    happening.
    I think is time all of the United States institutions including the military understand that people need
    sex like other human necessities like food, and shelter, and arrangements must be made.
    • badteeth, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1yeah these girls need to realize one of their basic needs is a daily injection of *****, whether they want it or not
  • spyd3rweb, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4It seems they are becoming a liability, I mean they are trained to defend themselves if they cant manage to stop a ONE guy from taking advantage of them, how the HELL can they survive in armed/hand to hand combat with the enemy. It seems as if there were a reason women werent allowed in the military before.
    • boybunny, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Well its actually the body weight. Bruce Lee and Hollywood aside, winning a fight is often dependent on the size of the opponents.

      Women's self defense taught me that. I was a 14 year old "Male Dummy" for a series of classes. I could not be taken down by any of the women, or helled down by any of the women. I had to be told behind the scenes to "let the women win" because it was good for their self esteem. I can only assume that this is widespread. Has anyone heard of a large man ever being bested by a (semi trained) woman wielding a set of keys?

      I am not sexist, but it may not be in women's best interest to think they can win in a one on one when their opponent is twice their size. In this case flight is more sensible than fight.
    • tonton2012, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@boybunny:

      I call ***** on you. Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido was about 5'1" and weighed about 120lbs and could not be taken down by even the strongest dojo yuburis (people who come from different martial arts backgrounds to challenge the master of another dojo to prove that their style is superior) who were bigger than him. The founder of Yoshinkan Aikido, Gozo Shioda, was about 5'2" in height and very skinny and could easily handle the 6'1" Secret Service agents that Robert Kennedy brought with him during his trip to Japan in the 60s. I know many women in my dojo who are not even black belts that can easily handle heavily muscled men. Martial arts is not about brute force or strength but the proper application of technique, speed, and timing.

      When I first moved to the US when I was 15 I was the target of bullies in my school who had a predominantly black population. I'm about 5'3" so the thought they could easily just push me around. Rest assured that after I took down Durell, a 6'2" basketball varsity player when he tried to rough me up nobody ever dared to try anything again with me.

      If you ever watch mixed martial arts (UFC, etc..) you'll also notice that oftentimes the smaller fighters tend to do better than the big fighters and there was even a UFC episode where they had a "David vs. Goliath" theme and sure enough the "David" won.

      I'm not saying that smaller people are better fighters but that size has very little bearing in a fight. Besides you are talking about a military strategy where very little hand-to-hand combat is applied and it's more on how you use your weapons.

    • galore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"Women's self defense taught me that. I was a 14 year old "Male Dummy" for a series of classes. I could not be taken down by any of the women, or helled down by any of the women. I had to be told behind the scenes to "let the women win" because it was good for their self esteem."

      Just be GLAD those women weren't told to kick you in your nuts.

      Because that would have taken you down. Guaranteed.

      I doubt that women can imagine the intense pain a good kick to the testicle causes. Absent of a weapon, this is the BEST defense a woman has.

      So to any woman who reads this: Go for the testicles when you are threatened by a man. You can inflict unbelievable pain - so much pain, that the guy is incapacitated for a good while and won't hit back, long enough to escape.
    • thewrathoffluff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@galore

      Except the guy knows that you're gonna go for a nut shot, and he'll do his best to protect his little buddies. It's not easy landing a solid hit when you've got legs protecting both sides and muscular arms trying to throw you off balance.
  • morel42, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@kinokonoko

    I agree 100% with you man.. It's a disgrace.. You have people who I wouldn't trust to park my damn car ***** walking around with M16's with officers more concerned with there own careers then controlling there men.

    Even if 90% of the armed forces are the highly trained well oranized professionals that I hope they are, that leaves THOUSANDS of idiots who can't speak proper english wearing our flag on there arm..

    Goddamn I hate Bush more and more.. It's a disgrace.. It's a shame.. And it's a pathetic stain on our country that this goes on..
    • obrysii, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"on there arm"

      Ironic. You complain about the troops being unable to speak proper english, and you can't even write it.
  • DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Every bit of fallout from this ill-advised war should be no one's responsibility except the the Commander in Chief of the United States of America. Period.

    To place blame upon anyone else is absurd.

    War is hell. But rest assured that I did not approve it- Bush did.

    You figure out the rest.
  • spearce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9during my convoy to Baghdad one of the female soldiers in my company almost died of dehydration because we weren't stopping for pee brakes and she didn't want to piss in a water bottle in her male troop filled HMMV. it was pretty scary to watch her in that condition.

    I'm one of the most liberal ex-soldiers you'll ever meet, but even though i think karpinski got scape goated i still think she's leans a little towards the nut-job persuasion.
  • Solkre, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I enjoy reading everyone’s arguments over who’s fault this is and if women should or shouldn’t be in the military.

    Why haven’t they put lighting up to and leading to these bathrooms and more importantly, why aren’t there inner base patrols looking for insurants AND protecting the soldiers from “bad apples”?

    We can find/see/hear an insurgent with Taco Bell farts a mile away, but we can’t protect women who need to walk to the bathroom? I’m sure some of those couple billions dollars we’ve wasted could go towards lights or extra patrols. Everyone isn’t asleep at the same time.
    • spearce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7it's called "light discipline" and it equates to this in the simplest terms - light equals target, target equals death. any questions?
    • badken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7That doesn't explain why there's no night watch patrolling.
    • digduggrunt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Probably because the grunts who slog back into the FOB after a week outside the wire already have to deal with bullcrap details the sergeants major and brass come up with for them. When you're dead tired from filling sandbags to protect the Colonel's CHU (living unit), pulling KP (yep, there are FOBs without Halliburton catering), force protection (guarding the FOB) cleaning weapons, motor stables (fixing humvees), guarding the Iraqi soldiers, guarding the Iraqi prisoners, cleaning the cadillacs (bathroom and shower trailers), training, doing your laundry, waiting forever to make a call home, etc, you don't want to pull some 1-2 AM fireguard so the women you're too tired to think about raping can be safe at night. And FYI, all those details? Women do some of them but they sure don't do all of them.
  • Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7To the people saying this story is a hoax: It might be. There are some details in it which don't make sense - ie, the cause of death will *not* have been dehydration - but that rape of female soldiers is a problem in Iraq has been reported before, and by considerably more reliable sources, e.g.
    http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c79da569-377b-462e-81cf-3607ed4ca3cd&k=5889
  • badteeth, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0when in rome!
  • Stockwell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I can't find this on LGF? Any idea why?
    • CSIinEURO, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3
      yeah, because it's a ***** story.
    • Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Because American soldiers are raping women, and not Muslims.
  • flying.fat.man, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1What would you expect? Its human behavior.
    Mix thousands of man soldiers with woman soldiers and rapes are prone to happen. It happened recently in the Israeli army.
    Humans have physically evolved nothing in the last 100 thousand years. Most men are horny *****, no matter how civilization you put in them!
    Before women were in the army, soldiers would use prostitutes or just rape the enemy´s females.
    I guess in Iraq its harder, they might have booby trapped undies...
  • indolin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0The primary reason given in the Mudville Gazette article that the claim of dehydration
    is "absurd" is "that death by dehydration takes a little longer than a couple hours
    without fluids, even in the hottest conditions".
    http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/004141.html

    The Mudville article offers a misquote from another article to back up this claim:
    http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/128/7/559
    "...it takes 'several days to a few weeks for death to occur by this means' - if no liquid is ingested at all".

    What the article really said is this: "death by terminal dehydration normally
    takes several days to occur..."
    If we can assume that 120 degree heat is not what the authors meant by "normally"
    then death in a few hours from dehydration seems highly possible.


  • pawas01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1To stop this, there is only one way. Take Prostitutes with Army.
  • mdhauke, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16This Col Janis Karpinski that is quoted in this article is none other than the Brig Gen Karpinski who was in charge of Abu Graib during the torture scandal. She was demoted as a result and has an agenda against the military. She will say anything to sell copies of her book "One Woman's Army."

    Does rape happen in the military? Sure. Does rape happen in Congress and the Senate? Sure (see Ted Kennedy). Does rape happen at Microsoft? Yep. Does rape happen at the local McDonalds down the block? A few of them. Rape happens all over the place, it is not just confined to the "lower class" or those poor souls who were forced into a life of the military. If you take a per capita look at how often rape occurs in the military to that of the rest of the United States, it will be about the same. That is why no where in this article do you see one statistic. Because they take one or two cases and sensationalize it like every deployed site in the US military is a mass rape zone for woman.

    All the ignorant, misinformed comments above come from people who have had absolutely no dealing with the military in there whole life. They still think everybody in the military gets paid minimum wage, lives in 50 man barracks, and use bathrooms with no stalls around the crapper. You should be ashamed at yourselves for leaving some of those comments towards the military. And it's funny how some try to qualify it by saying "I really do love our Soldiers, but..." like that makes their ignorant slam on those who risk their lives serving this country any better. Like putting that little lie in front of their statement makes them more credible.

    It's the comments above, the frothing at the mouth because they see this article (which has no statistics or facts in it) as justification to say what they really think, that makes me ashamed to be part of the Digg community.
    • netant, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1We're ashamed you're here too. Get lost.
  • zippy757, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Rape sucks...there is no way around that....

    I checked this is simple Google...seems there is more to the story....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janis_Karpinski
  • BattleBaconXXL, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4thats why women shouldn't be allowed in the military. this problem should have easily been foreseen (women getting raped).
    • MahWah, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5To combine your "logic" with mdhauke's argument above, it would be necessary to remove women from society. No women in the military, no women in Congress or the Senate, no women in McDonalds (who will flip those burgers for minimum wage!), no women at Microsoft and so on and so forth.

      Therefore the solution to violence against women is to airbrush them from sight. Keep them in the kitchen perhaps? Covered up from head to toe (ala Taliban style)?

      Blame the victim. Typical.
    • cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4thats why men shouldn't be allowed in the military. this problem should have easily been foreseen (men who can't control their "urges" in a combat situation).

      Hmmm, nope your logic doesn't work in that direction either.

    • MahWah, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@cquinnd

      How the hell did you come to that conclusion? *baffled*
  • tmahmood, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6heh! Hilarious, dugg me down, if you please! but I had to say the truth... your soldiers don't even have the respect to womans who are on their side and you talk big when it comes to other countries... ha ha ha
  • DAGONthehauge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1If this is true, which I have no reason to doubt, then Morale and discipline of US soldiers in Iraq has completely disintegrated.

    The war is over, any prolongation will only add to the sentences of the people holding this war effort afloat.
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