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- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -16/+116Who cares, the corporations made more money and stockholders made a few more cents a share. Everyone wins when corporate fascism takes over America's conscience! Oh yah, and support the troops or you're a terrorist sympathizer... or something.
- didgital, on 02/16/2008, -3/+76Amazing how many things cause more death than 9/11, yet are not deemed a menace to society.
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -16/+73I remember when the FDA worked. Of course that was before the Republicans turned it into a rubber stamp for corporations.
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -3/+45I hope the supreme court forces them to take 100% of the billions of dollars made and divide it up for the 22,000 families that lost someone. Obviously this was purely a financialy motivated decision to ignore the problem in January 2006
- michaelfitz, on 02/16/2008, -2/+41Wow. I am usually hesitant to advocate large-scale lawsuits, but here, one is definitely in order.
- manicallday, on 02/16/2008, -6/+36I had a friend who worked in a law firm that defended a slew of these drugs. Eventually, he found a conscious - but only weeks before the firm was destroyed in the 9-11 attacks. He's convinced me that the FDA is not only pointless, but it makes it harder to to prove the safety of existing products. There's money in approval, but disapproval doesn't pay so well. And the FDA certification creates this brainwashed mentality in people where they just assume that whatever they're taking is safe. Such as aspartame. The ***** is deadly. But since it has FDA approval, it makes it really hard to convince people otherwise that it's harmful. As if I'm lying about this. Or that I just woke up one day and just had something against aspartame. What the FDA actually separates the drug from the corporation in the minds of the public and places it on the government.
I say get rid of the FDA and allow the legal system to handle it. This would mean that a drug company would actually need to conduct reliable studies, to reduce the amount of potential litigation. If their research doesn't hold up, then they will pay with fines and criminal penalties. This will also lessen the burden on the malpractice on Doctors, because the drug companies would become the "deep pockets" which means everything in the world of litigation. Or you can eliminate the FDA and just save money by using the European standards. I mean why pay for something when you can just copy someone else? - blackolive, on 02/16/2008, -4/+22Bayer didn't invent aspirin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin#History
The french did, Bayer just modified it a little then patented it in the USA. - maklershed, on 02/16/2008, -0/+18We're talking about the company that invented heroin.
- trazor, on 02/16/2008, -2/+20I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, but can you please qualify that statement? From the history I recall, both the Bush and Clinton administrations have been not so great for the FDA... but I would love to have something to prove otherwise...
- Filter, on 02/16/2008, -0/+15My dad mysteriously started having kidney failure after they replaced a valve in his heart a couple years ago. I wonder if this is why. I've e-mailed him the article so he can check it out.
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -0/+14I am sorry our drugs made from many highly toxic chemicals are perfectly safe! Its that Mari-ju-ana [sic] stuff that's dangerous...
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -1/+14This is a scary situation... all those people died when they didn't have to.
- Adamande, on 02/16/2008, -4/+16Bayer, the company dumping HIV-infested drugs on the European market? Seems like business as usual from a company with no ethics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3mhjt7TrY - tshawkins, on 02/16/2008, -5/+16Hey lady, the ambulance driver serial killer that murdered your little girl, well we feel he on balance has saved more lives than he has taken, so we have decided not to prosecute.....
Have a nice day..... - knobtwiddler, on 02/16/2008, -0/+11I.G. Farben/Bayer pharma is up to their old tricks again- murder for profit. google factor 8, or research who was involved in human experimentation in the nazi death camps. this is just par for their course.
NEVER NEVER use bayer products, PLEASE!!! - Farmer77, on 02/16/2008, -8/+18And yet weed is illegal. Hilarious!
- adhiza, on 02/16/2008, -2/+12A complete FDA overhaul is needed. End of Story.
- mikeazorin, on 02/16/2008, -2/+12Not that surprising for a corporation that used to work with the Nazis to create chemicals for gas chambers.
- pintomp3, on 02/16/2008, -10/+19corporate apologists like sonny don't care about facts, not even facts like this:
Bayer became part of IG Farben, a conglomerate of German chemical industries which formed the financial core of the Nazi regime. IG Farben owned 42.5% of the company that manufactured Zyklon B, a chemical used in the gas chambers of Auschwitz. When the Allies split IG Farben after World War II for involvement in several Nazi war crimes, Bayer reappeared as an individual business. Bayer executive Fritz ter Meer, sentenced to seven years in prison by the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, was made head of the supervisory board of Bayer in 1956, after his release.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer#History - roflbrothel, on 02/16/2008, -1/+10Always nice to see the FDA doing their job.
QUESITON: Who has killed more people? Bayer or terrorists? GO! - whatsupimphil, on 02/16/2008, -0/+9Well said, I wish more people would realize how disproportionate our reaction to terrorism has been.
- ElectricMunk, on 02/16/2008, -0/+8Bayer is one of two companies that were spun off of the German munitions/pharmaceutical company known as IG Farben. Look it up...quite the legacy.
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/bayer.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1549092.stm - pintomp3, on 02/16/2008, -2/+10i wasn't comparing them to nazis. they actually were nazis. there is a difference. it's like claiming godwin's law on a story about hitler.
- brbubba, on 02/16/2008, -0/+8Everyone who was made aware of that internal report deserves to be behind bars right now serving a life sentence. WTF is wrong with this country.
- Narcowski, on 02/16/2008, -1/+9Yes.
- staxx202, on 02/16/2008, -0/+7Yes I read that comment too just a few posts up
try being original - knobtwiddler, on 02/16/2008, -1/+8and then ask where they got the nukes. and also ask who funded those terrorist groups in the first place.
- Narcowski, on 02/16/2008, -1/+8Just "Yes."
- tgc1, on 02/16/2008, -0/+6Hope he's okay.
- shmatt, on 02/16/2008, -0/+6probably had something to do with having a Republican congress during the better part of his tenure. If you recall, they basically fought tooth and nail against nearly everything he tried to do. that being said he could've dome better.
- inactive, on 02/16/2008, -0/+6"The primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenrate races"
""There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
Harry J. Anslinger, founder of the DEA and the single convention on narcotics act. - bearsandbulls, on 02/16/2008, -1/+6Talk about some terrorists.
- shmatt, on 02/16/2008, -0/+5So you have no evidence whatsoever. You must be drunk on Lite beer.
- knobtwiddler, on 02/16/2008, -1/+6ah, but they invented heroin, and zyklon b nerve gas, and we know how many people those drugs have saved!!! don't be hating on the wonderful and trustworthy I.G. Farben/ Bayer company.
- frsrblch, on 02/16/2008, -0/+4100% isn't nearly enough. If they simply take away all the money the company made, there is nothing motivating them to do otherwise in the future. If all they have to lose is what they stand to gain, they will keep deadly drugs on the market every time.
100%, to the families, is like saying "Oh, whoops, we killed your father, here's your money back." - Pherdnut, on 02/16/2008, -0/+4I'm not a real Jesus but I can tell you that 22,000 deaths because a handful of ***** couldn't be bothered is a really bad thing.
- knobtwiddler, on 02/16/2008, -1/+5the first thing reagan did when he took office was fire the head of the FDA for refusing to approve aspartame.
- manicallday, on 02/16/2008, -0/+4Fine. I really don't give a ***** if you believe me or not. Drink up. Be one of the next 22,000.
- texaswolfman, on 02/16/2008, -0/+4what statistics do you have to back that up?
- moontime, on 02/16/2008, -0/+4On a related note- Tylenol killed my father-in-law.
- taquitohater, on 02/16/2008, -1/+5That doesn't make him a fascist Chuck. It might make him a few other things but not fascist.
- IADTatami, on 02/16/2008, -1/+4Specifically, the side of the table that doesn't have the Patriot Act, Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, DMCA, Military Commissions Act, or drug deaths related to fast tracked FDA approval on it.
Maybe I'll have more time for your "two sides of the same coin" stuff when the CORPORATIONS ARE EVIL and GOVERNMENT IS EVIL crowd kills my kids with their unsafe drugs or passes some creepy/greedy law that hurts my rights. - Arkavus, on 02/16/2008, -1/+4Figures. Bayer hasn't ever changed at all. From Heroin to Mustard Gas to Nazi Death Camps to financing a Congo Civil War to Trasylol to an innumerable amount of other atrocities, some we may never even fully know of.
- manicallday, on 02/16/2008, -0/+3Far from it. Try to sue a drug company that has a stamp of certification from the FDA. It's expensive and the victims are usually just left with some crappy class-action settlement. The drug company can claim that they did do their due diligence, because they wouldn't have gotten FDA approval without it. What is the other side going to do -claim some government conspiracy? That's not how it works.
- girlpirate, on 02/16/2008, -0/+3funny story. If I have even a sip of diet soda I get a serious migraine. yet I can drink as many bottles of regular soda as i want, pain free. it took me a long time to figure out what the damn problem was. Aspartame. now, Im also a smoker so really I cant say much about people who choose to ingest aspartame. What bothers the hell out of me though is the parents who tell their children to drink Diet sodas rather than regular because its "healthier". I wanted to hug the mom who came into my store and told her son he could only get the gum with "real sugar".
- staxx202, on 02/16/2008, -1/+4"Nobody at Bayer would say "Let's do it!" if they knew 22,000 people would die"
you're living in a fantasy world if you think making money requires a conscience. as a 32 yr-old in Chicago, the U.S. murder capital, you should know better. - inactive, on 02/16/2008, -0/+3Yeah you should try it sometime.
- idontlikeyou2, on 02/16/2008, -2/+5but your ***** does shine through
- xxMarka, on 02/16/2008, -0/+3that is ***** terrible
- nebion, on 02/16/2008, -0/+3Generally the only argument you'll get is "I don't like the kind of people that smoke it, so I'm happy with it being illegal".
Besides the fact that a lot of people other than those who fit their idea of "pot smokers" smoke pot (Carl Sagan being a famous example), even if it were universally true it would be a stupid argument. -
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