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- inactive, on 01/27/2008, -17/+470REAL ID reminds me of those old movies about what it was like in nazi Germany where you had to have your papers with you or you were tossed into the dungeon.
- Frostman3D, on 01/27/2008, -8/+349***** Real ID and ***** any Government that would force it on us.
- kushed, on 01/27/2008, -6/+257"Real ID"? So what the ***** is my driver license, a fake ID?
- chesbomb, on 01/27/2008, -4/+183"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Ragecloak, on 01/27/2008, -4/+150yea except nazis didnt have biometric technology like we do
between the patriot act and the real id, this country has had the foundations laid for a police state/dictatorship. - edward9145, on 01/27/2008, -28/+157666
- twoblink, on 01/27/2008, -6/+110Hillary support RealID. It's "For the Children". Whatever crap.
"Vhere are your papers?" Yeah, get that NAZI CRAP out of my USofA. - UnstableMind, on 01/27/2008, -3/+72Ausweis, bitte
- inactive, on 01/27/2008, -7/+73there is hope for America, after all.
- mizuh, on 01/27/2008, -4/+69I, for one, do not welcome our new identity overlords.
- inactive, on 01/27/2008, -2/+60is there a list of those 17 states?
- clintontj72, on 01/27/2008, -3/+57All the implements are there for I.D. This a grab by the Feds to control ID. By the Constitution the Feds do not have this authority..the states do...the Feds MUST stop meddling. The Feds also force/punish states that do not give welfare to illegals. Stop the welfare, hold employers accountable(there is a Social Security # database for this already) which cuts out the jobs...remove the incentives! Cut out birthright citizenship to people here illegally...ZERO benefits...they will leave.
You seriously buy the Feds line? Chumps buy that garbage! - MasterThief117, on 01/27/2008, -1/+53We The People Will Not be Chipped.
- Brownye, on 01/27/2008, -1/+53How could any one possibly support Real ID?
- coyoteblue, on 01/27/2008, -0/+47c'mon, Michigan....
- Drakej, on 01/27/2008, -1/+41@Yuglooc It means that absolutely all of your information is going to be stored in one spot. Your SS#, Drivers License, Library Card, bank card everything will be stored on one little card that the government maintains and runs. Keep in mind if you do not enroll with this card you cannot fly, or take a train. Why does the government need to know absolutely every detail about your personal life?
- liveforthehunt, on 01/27/2008, -5/+45Obviously you don't work in the IT field or you'd understand the implications of what is occuring. Once they have the database in place, they can use whatever type of identification they want to identify you in the database or add additional fields. Want to start gun registrations? Add a field to the database and it's automatically tied to your ID. Want to add medical information? Done. This is wayyy to much power for ANY federal government to have.
- choppergirl, on 01/27/2008, -1/+41kill it so hard it never comes back years later and sneaks through tacked onto some other bills, which is how those sneaky son of a bitches do it when they don't get their way at first. this is just testing the waters for resistance. a lot of those fat ***** in washington need to be strung up, they are so out of touch with the american people.
- Zarokima, on 01/27/2008, -0/+39Indeed. All these idiots throwing a hissy fit because the government is punishing law abiding citizens for no reason -- the nerve of these people!
- toejuiceDCUP, on 01/27/2008, -1/+40Real ID is not becoming of free society
- varun1s, on 01/27/2008, -2/+40Driver's license, passport, social security number, real id............the list of things that one must keep up with never ends
- PhilMoskowitz, on 01/27/2008, -3/+40I thought you people usually just roll over and let the government scratch your belly? Whats all this then?
- clintontj72, on 01/27/2008, -1/+35State ID?
- Toasterstrudull, on 01/27/2008, -0/+31Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Maine
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
Utah
Washington - IsmailOo, on 01/27/2008, -0/+31***** that *****.
- inactive, on 01/27/2008, -5/+35The Number of The Beast
- MacEnvy, on 01/27/2008, -3/+31Q: The Department of Homeland Security has proposed extensive Real ID requirements restricting which state ID cards can be accepted at federal buildings and airports. Do you support those regulations as written, would you want to repeal Real ID, or would you prefer something in between?
Obama: I do not support the Real ID program because it is an unfunded mandate, and not enough work has been done with the states to help them implement the program.
http://www.news.com/Technology-Voters-Guide-Barack ...
It's the answer I want, but not the reason I want. - lex0nyc, on 01/27/2008, -0/+28Quoth the server, "404."
- PaulLewis, on 01/27/2008, -1/+29I highly doubt it'll happen, but lets get this shiz out of Florida.
- fyngyrz, on 01/27/2008, -0/+27Look; what you're doing is citing recent changes in society (for the worse) as if they were "natural" things.
I'm 50. I have had driver's licenses that didn't have anything of interest other than my name on them. Not even a number. My driver's license was a certificate that said I passed a driver's test. I have boarded literally hundreds of planes with no more than a ticket or a boarding pass, bought with cash, nothing on them but a seat number and no ID required to buy said ticket/pass. I have entered many federal - and state - buildings without any ID being requested of me. I have opened bank accounts with the only specific, verifiable information being passed consisting of an account number being passed to me. Yes, I gave them an address, but it was just an anonymous PO box, and the name was a DBA business. No SSN, etc. I have held MANY jobs where no ID was asked or offered. I'm talking everything from mowing lawns as a kid to early jobs I held as an engineer.
These changes in society are BAD changes. They're not for your benefit, and citing them as if they were justification for consolidating all those nasty things in one tidy little envelope is disingenuous and frankly, not very bright.
If you want to drive a car, I'd like to know you know how. That seems like a legitimate requirement. A little certificate that says you do is sufficient until or unless you show otherwise, at which point, we can hassle you based on whatever driving error you made anyway.
Boarding a plane? I really don't give a carp who you are. If we're talking about security, I'd be a lot more concerned about what you were carrying, and that, of course, is where a legitimate security interest should be focused.
Entering a federal building - same thing. If it is security at issue, what you're carrying is the issue, not who you are.
Opening a bank account - you need an account number. You should probably have a password and/or a safety box key, too. The bank - an organization whose business is to take care of your money for you - should give you verifiable receipts for deposits you make, and give you your money and other savings on request. That's it.
Hold a job - you should be able to prove to the employer, preferably by example, that you can do the job they are proposing to give to someone; they in turn should be able to offer you recompense sufficient to make the exchange equitable. Shouldn't matter who you are. If security is an issue, then what you carry in and out of the building is the primary issue for most businesses. You can sign a contract that specifies penalties if you give up proprietary information for corporate employment, and the law has plenty of omph if you give up classified government information as well.
Doesn't matter who you are as long as you are behaving. If you're not behaving, then we can deal with that based on what you did, not who you are. Real security is the act of catching someone doing something wrong. Catching them AFTER they did something wrong isn't security, it is about punishment (and it used to be about prevention and rehabilitation, but these days it is more about assigning the miscreant to a permanent lowest-possible-citizen class, which of course shoots the prevention goal right in the assneck.)
So the difference is, we don't want to take the errors our society has already made and consolidate them, nor do we want to create a situation that has the potential for more kinds of citizen abuse.
It isn't just about what you've experienced in your tender few years. It is about liberty, and that is a big picture you can only get by studying history. Being passionate about a subject without knowing how things used to be, and why, and what the constitution and the founders had to say about it is pretty much guaranteed to shorten your perceptions to such a degree that you cannot speak intelligently about the subject. - airwalkery2k, on 01/27/2008, -3/+29Wow! How did you know the number on my REAL ID?
- CaviMike, on 01/27/2008, -1/+24It's called 'Real ID' to fool suckers. It has a rfid chip in it and it's a federal ID, not a state ID.
- d03boy, on 01/27/2008, -0/+22Your drivers license should never have any more information on it than is directly needed to properly identify you (picture--"something you are", your address--"something you know"", your id--"something you have"). It gives you the right to drive, no more, no less. Any more information is a breech of privacy and security.
- ManoWar, on 01/27/2008, -4/+25You must understand the very wealth of the nation see the poor as cattle. Any farmer knows you must track your cattle.
- TruthElixirX, on 01/27/2008, -15/+36Step 1) Get off of Digg.
Step 2) Read a history book. - clintontj72, on 01/27/2008, -1/+22Read this to get a little info:
http://www.counterpunch.org/cox10032006.html - brittonn, on 01/27/2008, -0/+21Living in Montana is not looking so bad after all.
- Nekiruhs, on 01/27/2008, -0/+20No. You wouldn't be able to drive, fly, take a train, enter Federal Buildings, or leave the country without one.
- Devotia, on 01/27/2008, -3/+22Hell and fire was spawned to be released
- Jediwilson, on 01/27/2008, -13/+32Just like you do with the government.. read closely to what the opposition says too......
What were once inalienable rights are now privileges requiring government permission.
Without REALID you will not be able to:
Drive your car (already a privilege)
Board a plane, train, or bus (also a privilege)
Enter any federal building (a privlilege)
Open a bank account (yup... not a right.... a privilege)
Hold a job (ok, a right, but you need id now to get a job...)
so.. none of my "inalienable rights" are being taken away... seems a lot less like Nazi Germany.. and more
like most other countries with a single Driver's License.... which having isn't a right..... it's a privilege.
just cuz it's easy to get and do doesn't mean it's your right to do it.
be honest with yourselves already - parasight, on 01/27/2008, -1/+20Torches blazed and sacred chants were phrased
- voyvf, on 01/27/2008, -0/+19Im in ur licensez, stealin' ur privacy!
Seriously, the Real ID Act will not only introduce a bureaucratic ***** storm to the process of getting a license (and enforcement of said licenses), it will also provide more power to the federal government in what has previously been something each state handled on their own.
Never mind that it's also an unfunded mandate, which means that while it empowers the federal government, it tosses the burden of support on each individual state.
I could go on, but instead, I invite you to read up on it yourself: http://epic.org/privacy/id-cards/ - mrjhmm, on 01/27/2008, -3/+21A requirement to carry an identity card at all times can lead to the inconvenience of arbitrary requests from card controllers (such as the police). A possible interaction when randomly harassed by the police: "Show me your your card!" "Oh, you 'lost' your card." "You must be a criminal, prepare to be Tased!"
National ID Card coupled with debit and credit cards in a cashless society is a system of totalitarianism where centralized commercial banking system control the economic-political life of citizens, governments, businesses and markets.
Cards with centralized database could be used to track anyone's movements and private life, thus endangering privacy.
Historically, totalitarian governments which issued identity cards to citizens used them forcefully. For example, Nazi Germany made use of tattooed identification numbers on the arms of concentration-camp detainees. More recently, the apartheid-era government of South Africa used pass books as internal passports to oppress that country's black population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_document#Arg ... - temjrpgh, on 01/27/2008, -2/+20I agree with the spirit, if not the profane expression of it. This gives me a lot of hope.
- Augie1969, on 01/27/2008, -3/+21This is one concept where Evangelicals and I agree. Stop this crap now, or the mark of the beast will be the next step.
- tandy400, on 01/27/2008, -0/+18Ron Paul?
- amadeusdemarzi, on 01/27/2008, -3/+21You're ***** retarded if you buy that *****.
- wonderboy, on 01/27/2008, -1/+18James Sensenbrenner is my representative. I look forward to voting against him (unfortunately he'll be reelected).
- inactive, on 01/27/2008, -1/+18https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&p ...
- acdcfanbill, on 01/27/2008, -1/+17As they start to cry hands held to the sky
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