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- SlvrEagle23, on 10/12/2007, -6/+132@Rage Against the Machine:
Good luck getting on a plane! :P - NaziHatinChimp, on 10/12/2007, -8/+129It's funny because he actually says, hung, tried then shot.
- bryanedds, on 10/12/2007, -21/+102I love RATM but I hope Zach has become slightly more libertarian over the years. He was quite a marxist there for a while. A revolutionary is no use to anyone if he's still against the protection of the people's property rights - the right upon which all other rights depend. After all, what good is the freedom of the press if the marxist's don't allow private individuals to own their own press? In that case, only the government can own the presses. Then we're right back to totalitarianism again.
Socialism (and egalitarianism) in practice always requires an oligarchy of administrators to enforce the redistribution of wealth. So even though the system is supposed to make everyone equal, the reality is that the oligarchical burocracy must always be above everyone else in order to uphold the system. Thus, society again is split into two classes of unequal rights and power - the oligarchy, and everyone else. Or as I like to call it, the political class, and the serf class. The only real possible equality is the equality of human liberty, IE, the equal rights of EVERYONE to life, liberty, and property.
So hopefully Zach has come to that realization. - CloakandSwagger, on 10/12/2007, -18/+85Why do I get the feeling after seeing this video that the next Rage Against The Machine concert I see will be on the Rex 84 Tour at a FEMA camp?
It's good to see Rage Against the Machine back together again. - catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -17/+72They are "Rage Against the Machine" not "Philosophize Against the Machine." I don't think they are too concerned about the long term implications of socialism. It is more of just a knee-jerk reaction to rampant capitalism, albeit equally as dangerous.
- robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -12/+57Ah welcome to Digg: Where it matters not whether you have a legitimate or persuasive argument- only that other people hold the same viewpoint as you.
- trolleyfan, on 10/12/2007, -37/+71I'd prefer for him to be tried, stripped of all assets, and exilied permanently to Gitmo myself...but then, I don't believe he deserves any punishment as short as a simple death.
- iceperson, on 10/12/2007, -11/+45"You imbecile, Tom Morello graduated from Harvard. The guy is incredibly smart."
Bush has a Bachelors from Yale and an MBA from Harvard... - spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -16/+39Can a true socialist sell his political tyrades in a music store? Wouldn't he disseminate his messages for free?
- carvsdriver, on 10/12/2007, -18/+40OK, I admit .. I didn't watch the video to see who said what. However, their guitarist Tom Morello is a Harvard graduate. Collectively, the people in the band are actually very intelligent and knowledgeable in regards to political matters specifically.
- wingo123, on 10/12/2007, -10/+29I met Zach randomly on campus at UCLA when I was a student years ago. The band was still pretty new, but I had seen them live a couple of times. I was fully prepared to have him start screaming obscenities at me, but it was quite the opposite. He was wonderfully polite, incredibly well-spoken and insightful. Uneducated? Hardly. Great performer? Without question.
- DivisibleByZero, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26"every rich white one of 'em should be hung and shot".....
Rich black people are OK? Racism is fun. - salinemist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19It is funny that the posters on this thread are acting exactly in the manner they accuse of GWB of behaving.
- Ollin, on 10/12/2007, -12/+27I gotta see em live before I die. One of my favorite bands of all time.
- frant1c, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Both are correct.
From Webster:
"Hanged is most appropriate for official executions but hung is also used . Hung is more appropriate for less formal hangings ."
Will the grammar police please stop being stupid and at least look it up in the dictionary before giving advice? Thanks. - Crusader1145, on 10/12/2007, -19/+33Yea boy. Takes a lot of "backbone" to stand up and shout how much you hate the leader of the country in a country that gives you the right to say it with no repercussions. Oh, and also make a ton of money doing it. But I'm sure making millions is not important to them at all. I bet they give it all away to poor people anyway. Very noble, very hip, very cutting edge. I'd like to see if they had the backbone to go to Tehran and say that about Ahmadinijad or Russia about Putin or Cuba about Castro. Hmm. Somehow I don't think so. Heavens! They might get hurt doing that!
Backbone? Please. - krellor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15@wargalas
Threatening anyone is illegal, you don't have to be president. However, saying that someone *should* be shot is different than saying "I'm going to shoot the *****". In one your stating an opinion, the second your issuing a promise of future violent action. As for digging you down, personally, I'm not. I only digg people down when the say something that is hate filled. Your just stating your opinion (in a non hateful way). - Arcesius, on 10/12/2007, -16/+27I hope I can't be arrested for digging this =)
- Beakerz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Stop. Spamming. Its over already. The people that are going to use that already have it and now you just wasting a couple of kb.
- writh3n, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17Their next concert will be in Gitmo.
- IEatGod, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13How much intellectual depth and courage does a rock musician need to stand before his own fans and bash multi-national corporations and current world leaders? Thoroughly mundane and ineffectual.
- IADTatami, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18Morello: "First, we'll hang 'im!"
RATM fans: "YEAH!"
Morello: "then, we'll try 'im!"
RATM fans: "YEAH!"
Morello: "then, we'll shoot 'im!"
RATM fans: "YEAH!"
GWBII: "I say we let him go"
RATM fans: "NO!" - bryanedds, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13purpledrink,
I think you have to consider the context of marx's rhetoric. When marx used the term "the proletariat", he used it in a collective fashion. The proletariat, the people, etc, was always used to mean a whole group, not individuals. That is why the term is qualified with the word, "The". It's like a sports team - IE, "_The_ Reds", "_The_ 49rs", etc. So, the whole group, "the proletariat", if you will, only has the right to own property according to marx. But, if only a group has a right to something, then that group still needs a way to decide on how to exercise that right. Thus, an oligarchy must logically be set up to interpret and execute the will of the group, however that is to be done. So the group, "the proletariat", must assign special rights to its administrators which is necessarily a minority portion within itself. Regardless of how the adminstrators are chosen in the group, they still gain power over everyone else in that group. And thus, you still end up with two groups with unequal power.
So, you come right back to the very problem I was initially addressing. In other words, when only groups have rights and not individuals, then there must be an oligarchy _within that group_ to interpret and execute its will of the group. To do so, this "sub-group" must therefore be set "above" everyone else in the group. So you wind back up at a two-class society - the oligarchical political class, and everyone else. - Wonderama, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Harvard graduate or not, Bush hater or not...Zach is an idiot.
- Crusader1145, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Really. This kind of psudo-rage from people with more money than some 3rd world countries is getting very tiresome.
- fermi, on 10/12/2007, -12/+19RATM is made up of a bunch of pseudo-intellectual ass clowns. What are they doing other than promoting a mob mentality? If you want to change things, THEN CHANGE THEM. Run for office. Start a political action committee. Pay for ads on television promoting your causes.
There was a time when making even an indirect threat against the President would bring the Secret Service down on your head. Today, any mention of that brings out the weak sisters and their calls of "fascist". Just shut up and sing.
When historians look back on the 21st century and study the demise of the United States, the chattering non-action class will be remembered as the cause. - kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7do they mind if you down load the music for free?
- tical2756, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Do you think they read this?
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33992 - rnknowles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It's a good thing they didn't call Bush a "Nappy-Headed HO"! then they would truely be in deep!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11I always find it funny when the Court Jesters think that they are part of the Round Table.
WHO'S A CUTE WIDDLE MARXIST?!
...you are.. - BigglesPiP, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9God damn hippies.
- sfatoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Would Rage be mad if I bought their CD from Wal-Mart?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=929061 - SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Rich has-been 90s rockers are exempt too. Ahhhhh to have your position waiting for you in the New Revolutionary Oligarchy.
- SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Actually they should put their money where their mouth is. Start a revolution... and get wiped out pretty fast.
- Protonz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11"Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses"
Cops are regular people, they are no better than you or I. They do not automatically deserve any more respect or trust. - kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7This takes no courage, let them pen a drawing of Mohamed and see what happens to them. to peraphrase a great American, H.Simpson
"Musicians, is their anything they don't know"@ etinnePELL, you do not have to logical ya just have to be passionate. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6We sure do!
I wonder what U2 and Dave Matthews are saying about our current foreign policy?
Oh, if only these educated and experienced people could be running our government!
/sarcasm - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7rage against the machine?
more like rage against the empty bank account - kidjay, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12zach embarrasses cool-handed, resonable, adult people that hate the war and disagree with much of the administration. regardless of politics...he's an absolute charlatan, no different than o'reilly...far more damaging to his side, actually.
- pgphilip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4they did it for the lulz
- EtiennePell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Am I the only one who finds it strange that they're basically advocating the death penalty? It doesn't matter if it's GW, if these guys are supporters of the abolishment of the death penalty, they shouldn't be saying something like that.
I still wish I got to see them play. - bryanedds, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7purple,
I apologize that my spelling errors offend your senses. I type things quickly because things moves fast on these forums. I blaze at high speeds through these tubes we know as teh interwarbs.
In seriousness, you can take my arguments into honest consideration, or ignore them by attacking me personally. The choice is yours ;) - assortedg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"Yeah! Shoot Bush as a war criminal! Down with the corporations! Except of course, for EMI, Walmart, Viacom, Ticketmaster and all the other corporations that make the distribution of our message and pay for all our luxury goods, as God forbid we act like Fugazi and actually keep ourselves DIY."
Poser hypocrites. - hailxkill, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Rage is back thanks to Bush, Zach De La Roca's nonexistent solo career, Tom Morello realized Audioslave sucked, and the other two dudes are tired of living in houses that look like sets for Black Flag videos.
- Psyael, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5What's that sound of something being raised? Could it be the level of political discourse?
Oh, nevermind. It's the *****-o-Meter going up the charts from a band's bid for attention. - Monk22, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6funny how zach didnt have any clever comments until his band got back together and they needed some pr to get the word out.
- venicerocco, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Well you can start with the Democrats' December 2005 report, "A Constitution in Crisis," It is several hundred pages long, with over a thousand footnotes. Included:
Federal laws against making false statements to Congress;
Federal laws and international treaties prohibiting torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment;
Federal laws concerning retaliating against witnesses and other government employees;
Executive Orders concerning leaking and other misuse of intelligence;
Federal regulations and ethical requirements governing conflicts of interest;
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act; communications privacy laws; the National Security Act; and the Fourth Amendment.
Google search here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=Democrats+%22A+Constitution+in+Crisis%22&btnG=Search - shaunxcore, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9I made a transcript of what he said (best as I could make out) for those who couldn't hear it/watch it at work etc.
I'm gonna tell you what I said:
that if the same laws were applied to us presidents
as were applied to the nazis after ww2
that every single one of em, every last rich white one of em
from truman on would be hung to death and shot
and this current administration is no exception
they should be hung and tried and shot
as any war criminal should be
but the challenges we face they go way beyond administration
way beyond elections, way beyond every four years of pulling levers?
way beyond that
because this whole rotten system has become so vicious and cruel
that in order to sustain itself it needs to destroy entire countries
and profit from their reconstruction in order to survive
and thats not a system that changes every four years
it's a system that we have to break down
generation after generation after generation after generation
WAKE UP - fsjonsey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Angry Marxist rock. Brought to you by capitalism.
- innerspirit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@Crusader1145:
So now that they are famous they lose the right to publicly express their opinion because supposedly doing so automatically means they are trying to be millionaires by exploiting their position. I guess its not so good to be famous after all? Dude, noone is forcing you to buy their albums or listen to them. If i was famous and was outraged at the government you can bet all your money that I would use my position to express my opinion. -
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