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- tcbishop12, on 07/07/2008, -1/+7Very good advice.
- tcbishop12, on 07/07/2008, -0/+3Wonder why the GOP wins the presidency? Because they are united. They keep their eyes on the prize.
And they are marginally oriented on place and time. Pssst -- it's like -- before election time.
The Democrats have got some sort of strange and idiotic self-destructive disease going on, that they should stop, like right about yesterday.
If you don't want a third Bush term, I strongly suggest that the Dems stop ripping their clothes apart, save that angst and crap for after the election, and focus on beating McCain. - sandbun, on 07/08/2008, -1/+3Or maybe it's because you know where they stand on the two key issues. I'm not saying I agree with him, or that he doesn't flip-flop - I don't, and he does. On the economy he believes that giving tax breaks to big business will eventually trickle down to the consumer in the form of lower prices and the business having extra cash will let them hire new workers. On the war - the issue he really is running on - he sticks to his claim that terrorists are out to get us and the war on terror is necessary to our safety. I'm not here to debate his points; I already mentioned I don't agree with him, particularly about the war. But his flip-flops are mainly on issues that people weren't voting for or against him for in the first place. How many people do you know that are primary voting this year about abortion? Yes it's still a hot topic issue, but it's not at the forefront of people's minds, and besides how many pro-lifers weren't going to vote for the Democrat anyhow? Same with his drilling off of Florida, and that one he can explain that one away by saying he was against it back when gas was a buck, not four. And you could go on. His flip-flops are in areas that don't hurt him as much because the issues he's trying to make the election about he's firm on for the most part (his view on the Bush tax cuts the big exception and the one he's taken the most hits on you'll notice).
Meanwhile Obama's big issues were that he was against the war and promised to get our troops home, except now he's taking a "we'll see" attitude. He did actually set up that before, but no one noticed and focused on his 16 months claim, and he was perfectly willing at the time to let the media run with that so he deserves every hit he takes with that. He claimed he was the anti-Bush, and would put a stop to the attack on our civil liberties, except now we need the FISA bill because otherwise the terrorists will get us. He talked about how he was going to clean up campaign laws, and how public financing was a good system, except now he sees he'll have more money without it so he scrapped that. He claimed that this election was about the common people's ability to bring change, but the last couple weeks he's pretty much given the common people the finger. Basically on the core issues he ran with at the beginning of the cycle he's gone back on most of them. So what are his core issues that I can count on him not changing?
Kerry lost because the Reps were able to paint him as a flip-flopper who you couldn't count on. If Obama loses it won't be because his supporters held him to the standards he had set earlier, it will be because Obama failed live up to his promises and played right into the Reps hands, and he will have no one, not Reps who run attack ads or Dems who publicly got fed up with him, to blame but himself. True Obama fans shouldn't try to hush up his faults, but demand that he stick with what got him this far because if he doesn't it means McCain has a fighting chance in an election he should be blown away in. - NicholasBentley, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2Well, in my view, Obama has flipped on FISA with all its core values of the rule of law, the constitution, and individual privacy. What is left but a flop?
- ptrounstine, on 07/07/2008, -3/+4well said
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -2/+3FTA: "Their goal is simple: make Obama look like he is changing his position."
Obama's actions:
Speaking out against the evils of the Patriot Act, then voting to extend it.
Railing against telecom immunity, but then siding with the granting of said immunity.
Declaring that you'll be bringing the troops home immediately...er...actually, maybe in 16 months if things look good in Iraq.
Were these part of that simple Republican goal? If so, I've got to hand it to them. It seems they've successfully achieved the ability to control Obama's mind.
Also FTA: "Republicans are desperate to convince independent voters that Obama is "just another politician" whose values flow from the latest poll instead of his own commitment to principle."
I'll give Creamer this much, those Obama positions above are the complete opposite of what the polls show public sentiment to be. So Creamer seems to be right when he says that Obama's doesn't concern his platform with what the latest poll of American sentiment is. He reminds me quite a bit of Bush in that respect. - inactive, on 07/07/2008, -6/+6So ... is Obama going to bring the troops home immediately? Why did he vote to extend the PATRIOT act on March 2, 2006? Did he really mean all that stuff he said to AIPAC? Will he prosecute Bush and his gang of criminals?
Do we really need a right-wing Democrat? - Delysia5, on 07/08/2008, -0/+0Isn't that the truth! However, it's something my more rational and open mind can't understand, especially after what we've been through with Bush. Where do you think these people have been over the last almost eight years?
- sandbun, on 07/07/2008, -6/+6Here's a better idea - how about Obama stops flip-flopping (it's not spin) and then the Reps lose their ability to call him a flip-flopper? Wouldn't that make a lot more sense? And people who say "It's okay if our candidate does it" are exactly the reason we have Bush gets away with the crap he gets away with.
- Delysia5, on 07/08/2008, -0/+0I think tcbishop12 has a very good point!
- Kangalanatolian, on 07/07/2008, -4/+3But the flip-flop (ahem) mind changing event, was over ending the occupation in Iraq. This is something no one in their right mind would jump into McCains lap over.
All the other parties want out of Iraq. Green, Libertarian, Constitution. I prefer Chuck Baldwin of the constitution party. He is a real Ron Paul R3VO]utionary !!
Even Nader wants out. He is actually not bad, either. - inactive, on 07/07/2008, -5/+4Hey I will stop calling Obama a flip flopper when he stops changing his positions on the Iraq war, illegal spying, and gay marriage.
So take your condescending apologist ***** article and go ***** yourself. - Delysia5, on 07/08/2008, -2/+0Robert Creamer, states so eloquently and precisely what I've been trying to tell those supporters of Sen. Obama that have disagreed with him on issues like the FISA Bill, and the latest lie promoted by the McCain campaign, Obama's flip-flop on his Iraq policy. Some of them don't seem to realize that they are playing right into the hands of Republicans. In fact, I'm not sure all those prominent in these recent attacks on Obama (i.e. the so-called Obama Supporters) are actually Obama supporters at all. Most sound more like Republicans trying to pull the wool over peoples' eyes. People have to be smarter; smarter in determining truth from lies, political ideals from political tactics and political facts from political rhetoric and slander. The Republican’s are always looking to find a weakness they can capitalize on. Democrats and others that want better for this nation have got to be vigilant and aware and constantly thinking about and looking at the big picture (the forest) instead of concentrating so much on the little picture (the trees.) Stop taking what you hear or see in the news media, or from others, as the final truth. Many times the truth is illusive. Do your own research, and open your minds, to what the truth really is. As we’ve learn over the past eight years, truth is not necessarily a strong suit when it comes to Bush, McCain and those around them. They’ll lie, unabashedly, to get what they want. Then, when they get what they want, it’s their agenda, not yours, that will be their primary focus
- silverkitty, on 07/07/2008, -6/+2Thank you for saying this, Mr. Creamer. There seem to be a lot of people in the world, including Obama supporters, who would rather be "right" than realistic. I guess there still are a lot of "sacred cows" and their worshipers wandering around in this part of the global village ... moooooo!
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