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- reallydigginit, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36The only reason I'm "digging" this story is so that people don't forget "stay the course". It has been an administration policy (actually, it's a slogan, but to the GOP that's the same thing as a policy) for years.
And now, through their great Nazi propaganda techniques they will proceed to make 51% of the American public believe that they never said "Stay the Course"
Just like they never said Iraq would be easy,
Just like they never said "Mission Accomplished" (they like to blame that on the Navy. Support our troops! -- GOP style)
Just like they never knew Foley was a pedophile
Just like they never were warned about an imminent bin Laden attack
Just like.....
all the the ***** they feed the poor saps in fly-over country who are so afraid of gays, blacks, and Arabs that they'll swallow any lie no matter what.
How did they become so afraid?
Well, Republicans are cowards by nature, but other than that it is because that spoiled rich brat--- the male cheerleader in chief-- has made them very afraid. Hasn't he?
FDR (democrat): "We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
GW (republican): "What we have is fear."
This GOP (group of perverts!) are destroying our country. Take it back this Nov. - funhouse1970, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25Powell develops some spine. He should just let loose / spill the beans on the War for Oil.
Protest tomorrow: Oct 5th Day of Mass Resistance WorldCantWait.org - pumacub, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18I second that.
Add "the US being greeted as liberators" to your list. - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17***** Amen.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14The US president went to "war" for the wrong reasons. When it's obvious that this reason isn't even valid, the only argument he can come up with is "we must stay the course."
"Staying the course" in this immoral "war" will only lead to the loss of more life - and for what cause? Because we started and now need to "finish?" Finish WHAT, exactly?
What the current administration needs is an education on the definition of sunk cost. From wikipedia: "sunk costs are costs that have already been incurred and which cannot be recovered to any significant degree ... sunk costs are not taken into account when making rational decisions" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost). - deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Maybe Powell is trying to make his wrong into a right. It takes a real man to admit that he was wrong and correct his actions. Something that George W. Bush seems to have problems with. Nonetheless, American men and women soldiers continue to die based on Bush's lies.
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"The only reason I'm "digging" this story is so that people don't forget "stay the course". It has been an administration policy (actually, it's a slogan, but to the GOP that's the same thing as a policy) for years"
Nah, the slogans have nothing to do with the real policies. The slogans are the Big Lies used to control the unwashed masses(tm). You and me in other words. The actual strategy is all about geopolitical and economical considerations. You can be sure of one thing though. It's not you they're looking out for. - gaoshan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"Powell develops some spine..." about 4 years too late.
- oxyrubber, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8You had me until you started bashing all Repubs at the end.
Certainly the voices (still) in the Administration and many key Republican Congressmen are to blame for the problems we've had with policies, laws, and oversight in GWB's terms but that is far from saying the entire Republican party is to blame. Certainly the Republican Election Machine has a lot to do with it.
Repubs are theoretically in favor of reducing government (although you wouldn't know it by looking at the government since 2000... or even 1980 for that matter). I would love to see the budget shrink so one could fit the printed version in one bookshelf.
Not all Repubs take advantage of the far right Conservative/Christian votes.
Not all Repubs believe that the environment isn't worse off because of mass industrialization.
Not all Repubs believe in preemptive and unilateral foreign policies.
These are values (or at least the perceived values) of a subset of Repubs who are holding this country hostage. They are associated with NeoCons, which are a select group of "Repubs" whom are extremely good at playing the media/political system on people's emotions and short attention spans. They keep the focus on drugs, terrorism, and immigration -- all issues which have no quick or easy solution... so they are able to bark about these issues for years to come. They are good for reelection platforms because they can not possibly be solved in a short period of time (like a first term) and will all affect the voters' children.
Hate the NeoCons and not the Repubs as a whole. I don't hate the average Republican any more than I hate the average Democrat. It's the outliers that scare me.
Disclaimer: I am a registered independent and I don't vote along any party lines. I vote for the best canidate (available on the ballot) for each election. It's hard enough to find out which of two canidates is the best choice and even harder if you limit yourself to only one party. - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Now he tells us.
- talmand, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'm tired of everyone using the term "blasted" in these type of stories. He blasted them. She blasted him. Always makes it sound so much more dramatic then most of the stories actually are. Can't these people come up with better words that normal people use? I've only heard news people use the term "blasted" to describe someone complaining about another's actions and/or policies.
- anillop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Dont forget that oil revenues will pay for the re-construction of Iraq.
Or that they knew were the WMD's are - aviazn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It doesn't sound like Powell is breaking too terribly with Bush on this. He said "staying the course isn't good enough because a course has to have an end." Well, that's just common sense--and Bush himself has talked about how he can't wait to bring troops home; just not until he thinks the job is done. I'm a student at the U of M, which is about as liberal a campus as you'll find away from the coasts, and although I missed his speech (didn't get tickets in time) from what I hear, Powell spent much of the Q&A defending his actions and policy from the crowd.
- jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Same. Here's the source article without all the ultra-liberal tripe:
http://www.startribune.com/587/story/718368.html
I agree with him. - jlowe64, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I'm not so sure I'd say Powell lacks spine. I kindof think he's using his words strategically, he's waiting until the most opportune time to unleash his words so that they will have the most impact and have the most ears listening to him. If he keeps on speaking out, if it starts to increase in frequency, I'd be willing to bet he's gearing up for an '08 run (no matter what anyone else says, including him).
- BigBaRay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sorry man I cant figure out what you are saying. Or even if your reply is too me.
- nalf38, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"Stay The Course" = "We Have No Exit Strategy"
Didn't Bush/Cheney learn anything from Vietnam? Oh, wait....neither of them WENT to Vietnam. - BigBaRay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4deesnutz please!!!!
"Maybe Powell is trying to make his wrong into a right" Did he say anything about that????? you jackass..
I think he said something along the lines of "staying the course is not good enough"...... NOT "we should have never gone done this road".. Nice try nutz I hope you made yourself feel better. - Daunting, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"Staying the course" is synonymous with, "We're going to do this thing here, so nobody ask questions." What sort of reasoning is staying the course? That's like eating a burger and while you're beginning to choke your friend says, "We can't let that dough win". That's not a reason, you give your friend the Heimlich, that's a much more reasonable action.
I would even be somewhat calmed if the leaders plainly said, "We're going to continue this war even though most of the world and reality is against us. That's just what we do." Would still be just as pissed off but sheesh.... "Stay the Course" come on... - DatDamWuf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Stay the course, have your sons/daughters/sisters/brothers die every day for a war that helps the terrorists recruit ppl to kill us, watch thousands of Iraqi's die for same, have more of your civil liberties deleted every year to make us "secure", be afraid to make a joke in the airport or in front of anyone that might have some desire to screw you because you could be the next "enemy combatant" sent to Gitmo (read the new "torture" legislation).
Stay the course in Iraq but forget about Afghanistan, we didn't really mean it when we said we wouldn't let them down again, at least our government didn't.
Iraq attacked in order to fight a non-existent "war on terror", the administration made up this term and the majority of US citizens bought it, BS. The attack on us was horrible but terrorist have been attacking citizens of other nations for years and those nations have been finding and trying them for their crimes (us too), the magnitude of 9/11 required us to cut off the perpetrators in Afghanistan but did not require us to strike Iraq, they HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ATTACK.
So we stay the course of encouraging more attacks and discouraging our media from "inflaming" the terrorists, sad as hell. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I see no "blasting" of George Bush or Bush administration policies from Powell. He may be explaining some differences of opinion, and even some frustrations with his failure to enact his own agenda regarding middle eastern policy. But he ain't blastin'. In fact, I don't really see him saying anything in this particular article that is contradictory to official policy.
“Only the Iraqi people can resolve this,” Powell said.
I've heard President Bush say this countless times.
"U.S. troops have to stay in Iraq for “some time,” he said.
I've heard the president say this a whole bunch too.
“But there is a limit to the patience of the American people.”
To my way of thinking, this is a sad commentary on the patience of the American people, not an indictment of the president's policies.
…In Iraq, “staying the course isn’t good enough because a course has to have an end,” Powell said.
Isn't that the same as Bush saying that we are "constantly adjusting to conditions on the ground", and "American troops will stand down when the Iraqi military is ready to stand up"? - funhouse1970, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I don't think so.
But why do you ask? You won't consider anything that doesn't have the Main Stream Media seal of approval? The MSM are too busy discussing Jon Benet's bogus killer/pedophile and now this scumbag Foley. Not important news folks. Keep your eye on the ball. Iraq, Oil, Money and who stands to gain or lose from this so-called War on Terror. What happened to the gov't's handling of Katrina? Whatever happened to the investigation of the anthrax attacks on Daschel's office? Short memory - remember the Midnight Oil song?
Conquistador of Mexico, the Zulu and the Navajo
The Belgians in the Congo short memory
Plantation in Virginia, the raj in British India
The deadline in south Africa short memory
The story of El Salvador, the silence of Hiroshima
Destruction of Cambodia short memory
Short memory, must have a, short memory
The sight of hotels by the Nile, the designated Hilton style
With running water specially bought short memory
A smallish man Afghanistan, a watch dog in a nervous land
They're only there to lend a hand short memory
Wake up in sweat at dead of night
And in the tents new rifles hey short memory
If you read the history books you'll see the same things happen again and again
Repeat repeat short memory they've all got it
When are we going to play it again
Got a short, got a short, got a short, got a short
They've got a short must have a short they've got a short aah
Short memory, they've got a. - jbus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I'm glad that Powell has finally come to his senses and is starting to speak up somewhat. Though, I think it's a little too late as far as I'm concerned, and likely has more to do with his future political aspirations than a guilty conscience about his role in helping the Bush administration mislead this country into an unnecessary war. A war that to this point has and claimed thousands of American lives, injured many, many more thousands, and claimed countless Iraqi lives likely totaling in the hundreds of thousands.
- BigBaRay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Thanks for allowing me to get around the Think Progress Brainwashing. There for a second I almost wanted to pay higher taxes.
I wish there could have been more of what Powell actually said. Thanks again - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3No there isn't. It is just that thinkprogress in one of the most vocal outlets for anti-bush material, and this country in general, is started to get fed up w/ him. I work in rural Ohio, and most of the people here WERE major Bush supporters when I started here in '02. Now the overwhelming majority of them, want him gone.
- BigBaRay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Bah *****!
The three regions already existed. They where just help strictly under thumb by Saddam. If you where a Kurd or *****'te and didn't like the situation he killed you. No despite what the media tells you the civil war possibility has been carefully thought about and the plans tried real hard to make a peaceful transition into one Iraq. But you are a fool to believe that we a carving up Iraq to make money. It is the Insurgents who will not allow Iraq to be one Unified people. Cause imagine what would happen in the middle east if they could "All just get along" - Meadow113, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Powell is just trying to regain the ability to see himself in the mirror again. Trying to get the blood off of his hands. If you read Woodwards book after the first gulf war, the Commanders, you will realize that Powell knew the first time that we went to war in Iraq that it could have been avoided but didn't speak up. Then he hopped right back on the train and took another ride.
- BigBaRay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Or is it perhaps that Powell is trying to add some needed advice on this issue insted of the non-sense the democrats throw at it. Powells view might not be 100% politicly motivated unlike everything else coming from the now defunct Democrat party.
(Where are the good Liberitarians when you need them, If you only had enough support now. This country needs your debate) - ichbinladen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well said. Spineless Republicans have turned Liberty asunder and one day they will reap what they have sewn. Sadly, the rest of us will have to "reap" it with them.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The occupation of Iraq may be not going so well for the average person you or me but for the neo-cons it's a very success they're dividing the country into three regions and provoking then fueling civil war between these regions as a pretext for constructing permanent bases. These are some of the richest people and this is the most powerful and one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. The people at the top know exactly why they're there.
It's just like the "war on drugs" it's a failure for us but no for them it's a huge success, huge profits for them, more ***** intrusive laws, more reduntant police-state *****, more control . . and the country is almost gone. - funhouse1970, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2BigBaRay,
You are the brainwashed one.
We don't have an exit strategy.
Why?
Because we NEVER PLAN TO LEAVE!
We want control over their oil. Why else are we building an "US Embassy" as big as Vatican City over there? Why are we building permanent military bases too?
Powell is still a bootlicker as far as I'm concerned - he still hasn't told us everything he knows. The Cons will produce a reason to stay or create a puppet-government that will invite us to stay. They don't want any nation, be it Iraq or Iran or Venezula, to disturb OPEC's ability to control oil prices. The neo-Cons and/or the ruling elite class in this country is making a killing in Iraq -- they plan on keeping it that way.
If Reagan hadn't dismantled Jimmy Carter's Energy Policy plans we would no longer need middle-east oil today.
Here's a CommonDreams.org (choke on it - it's "liberal") opinion piece by one of the few Patriots left in radio and the printed page today, Thom Hartmann: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0503-22.htm - Barbrady, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2More thinkprogress spam...flagged
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I always knew Powell was different and was made of good stuff.
- Slimdaddy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"Stay the course" - wasn't that the famous line from pappa Bush? Thanks Colin, you only lit the flame and poured on gasoline.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1DISCLOSURE: THIS STORY IS SPAM POSTED BY THE FOLLOWING CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS POLITICAL OPERATIVE TO DRIVE TRAFFIC TO THEIR THINKPROGRESS.ORG SITE & SHAPE PUBLIC OPINION:
Digg.com ID: jlegum, a.k.a. Netscape.com ID: buco, a.k.a. Reddit.com ID: jlegum, a.k.a Judd Legum, Research Director at the Center for American Progress and the editor of ThinkProgress.org.
http://rikki-tikki-tavis-garden.blogspot.com/ - jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5There should be a system for digging down sources.
thinkprogress.org
crooksandliars.com
mediamatters.org
michellemalkin.com
littlegreenfootballs.com
etc.
I'm sick of this partisan garbage masquerading as news. There's a Political OPINION section...use it.
Original story: http://www.startribune.com/587/story/718368.html - BigBaRay, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Title caught my interest. Source and submit comment removed it. Lame
- pencilboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2@funhouse1970
'You won't consider anything that doesn't have the Main Stream Media seal of approval?'
And that's why I'm on Digg? Huh. Digg is mainstream media? Did everyone else know that? Time to get back to the Weekly Standard. Oh, and thanks for the lyrics. Sorry, I didn't get past the "Midnight Oil song" part.
@Bemenaker
Thanks. It it refreshing to know that even in Ohio ('Round on both ends/And hi in the middle/O-Hi-O" - there's an old Upper Arlington elementary school song lyric for you) things are starting to change. - deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Learn something new everyday. I always thought that GOP stood for ...
Gathering of Perverts. - tehbishop, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1it's ok ... you can just believe that most of us see the right as at least very wrong, and more likely as our Enemy. You're either with US, or you're with THEM.
Even the potato heads in the middle realize what doody smells like after it's been sitting long enough ... can YOU recognize the smell yet? - pencilboy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5I know I'm late to the Digg party, but is there some affiliation between Digg and thinkprogress.org?
- SteelChicken, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4I agree with most of that, but the FDR part. The Democrat solution aint much better.
- rohcky, on 10/12/2007, -18/+3He didn't develop a spine, he was fired so he's now taking his shots.
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