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- Dalhectar, on 10/20/2008, -0/+5I just don't understand why there aren't touchscreens that allow the person to review the results, an encrypted paper form is printed (the paper should not be in plain language for privacy), and then that paper is inserted into a machine where the vote is scanned and tabulated. That allows for both speed and verification if needed.
- rcpmac, on 10/21/2008, -0/+4Don't be fooled folks - The electronic machines may be least prone to voter mistakes, but that is NOT the issue. They ARE most prone to ballot manipulation as in the Ohio election count in 2004 where it has been determined that the electronic results were routed through an out of state office (located next to the RNC office) and then returned to Ohio. That compromised the election and put Bush back in the white house.
Electronic voting is easily hackable and there is no recount option, paper record, or challenge options. If you didn't vote on paper your vote is very insecure. There are currently reports of faulty machines that are not acknowledging Obama votes and instead moving the selection to other candidates. We need paper ballots - not electronic machines and not electronic machines with receipts.
THIS IS SERIOUS. Call your state legislators and demand paper ballots and only paper ballots. - magus_melchior, on 10/21/2008, -0/+3"Paper ballots. Paper ballots. Paper ballots."
-- Steve Spoonamore, on the vulnerability of electronic voting machines - gooddarts, on 10/21/2008, -0/+3Problem: potential for voting error varies directly with minimized hacking potential. Keep is simple stupid with paper trail?
- martianbob, on 10/21/2008, -0/+2This map is ridiculous. There have already been a number of cases (many on Digg!) of electronic voting machines inducing voter error. 66% of people DON'T NOTICE if there's a discrepancy between how they voted and what the confirmation screen says*! Those who do have to go back and make sure everything's okay. Add to that the fact that electronic voting machines take a lot longer to use than paper ballots, and what you're really looking at is a map of places where voters are likely to be turned away from the polls. Some voting experts expect that Fairfax County, VA is going to need a 40-hour long voting day because of the electronic voting machines, and that's if only half the registered voters show up.
Buried as inaccurate.
* Everett, S.P. 2007. The Usability of Electronic Voting Machines and How Votes Can Be Changed Without Detection. Doctoral dissertation, Rice University, Houston, TX. - meowmeowcatchow, on 10/21/2008, -0/+1If the "official" paper ballot was in an encrypted format, how would the voter know what it says?
Privacy isn't the biggest issue for paper ballots (you can hide you ballot in a manila folder until you get it to the optical scan machine or other ballot box -- that's more or less how it's done now).
In fact, they (voting system vendors) are working on a "hybrid" machine that the voter would interact with like current DREs but would print a filled-in optical scan ballot after vote confirmation. In this system the paper ballot would be the "official" ballot and the tally on the machines could be used as an unofficial immediate result.
The reason why the hybrid machines are not in use yet is that the federal standards will be changing soon (draft standards for a few years from now came out in 2007) and the certification process for an electronic voting machine is about 2 years right now. - meowmeowcatchow, on 10/21/2008, -0/+1It's not Fairfax County, VA (they use all paper, except for the HAVA required accessible DREs) -- it's Arlington County, VA that will most likely have a shortage.
- meowmeowcatchow, on 10/21/2008, -0/+1Not *all* e-voting machines are that easily hackable, but, yes, a lot of the ones in use for this election are pretty bad (but that has more to do with the fact that so many run on Windows and other sub-par commercial software).
Yes, *some* of the problems with this year's general election (in *some* places) are serious. But it's 2 weeks before the election -- administratively speaking, there's really nothing that can be done in terms of paper ballots unless that's the way it's already been set up in your locality.
My advice to anyone who lives somewhere that's 100% DRE at the polling places -- vote mail-in absentee. In some places, that's the only way to vote on paper. - beemer325, on 10/20/2008, -2/+2While there are Republicans contesting the election, there will always be scope for "voter error".
- Stevenotley, on 10/21/2008, -0/+0Hmmm... there's "error-prone" and then there's "fraud-friendly." Maybe the map needs two axes?
- jkl01, on 10/21/2008, -1/+0makes Canada's system -- mark an X in a circle, using a pencil -- look pretty primitive.
- fireyvixen, on 10/21/2008, -2/+0this map is AWESOME, and super informative!
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