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- elijahyossie, on 07/13/2009, -14/+911Nothing says "freedom" like barging into someone's place and nicking a flag........
- enthreeoh, on 07/13/2009, -17/+679"Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula said it was not illegal to fly the flag upside down but people were upset and it was the Fourth of July.
'It is illegal to cause a disruption,' he said. "
The only people causing a disruption were the uneducated people who participated in both complaining about the flag and taking it down. - ceredron, on 07/13/2009, -8/+594FTA: ""If he wants to protest, let him protest but find a different way to do it," Deschane said."
Yep, embodies the right to protest like somebody telling you how you can and can't protest. - smacksaw, on 07/13/2009, -8/+513If it's illegal to cause a disruption, shouldn't the sheriff arrest himself? Seems as if he's caused several.
- ELWOOD_BLUES, on 07/13/2009, -7/+329This is too much. I am a strong conservative and hate seeing the Constitution stepped on like this. If it happened to me I would go to the next highest level of Police force (county, state or fed) and file criminal charges against the officers involved as well as the town DA for Theft and Violation of Civil Rights. We cannot let stupid people in "authority" decide when it is OK to protest and when it is not OK.
Too many good men and women spilled their blood to maintain our freedom. Lets not piss it all away... - AlextheK, on 07/13/2009, -6/+270"You've caused a disruption by saying things other people don't want to hear" is an old, and fraudulent, excuse for silencing those with an unwelcome opinion.
- rightmindx, on 07/13/2009, -11/+235The First Amendment trumps the U.S. Flag Code.
- inactive, on 07/13/2009, -11/+234The First Amendment.
- LenBaird, on 07/13/2009, -9/+225Yes, it is. Our country is in great distress, and this story shows one reason why.
- alphaterminus, on 07/13/2009, -28/+238Love it or leave it. If you don't have anything to hide, why should you worry? Comply. Obey. Watch television. Go to church. Don't question authority. Don't question anything. Be average. Vote Republicrat. Sleep.
- theoccupation, on 07/13/2009, -4/+202When you value a flag over actual freedom, you are a ***** idiot.
A flag is a piece of cloth. For all I care you can piss, ***** or puke on ANY flag, including the American one. But the minute you start ***** on people's freedom (like this Iraq veterans) there is a big ***** problem. The flag is REPRESENITIVE OF OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOM, IT ISN'T RIGHTS OR FREEDOM. So because a flag is nothing more than a placeholder for our ideals, it can NEVER trump our ideals in action. Which is what the police in this case did.
I believe in freedom, NOT A FLAG. . - 4lun, on 07/13/2009, -2/+187I think flying a flag is probably one of the least disruptive and peaceful ways of protesting, what other way of protesting would this person recommend?
- marmotjmarmot, on 07/13/2009, -7/+188My dad was a Marine; all of my uncles have served in various branches; I was in the USAF; I love this country, swore an oath to die for it if necessary. But, it's just a flag. And hearing about this kind of stuff makes me want to burn one in the middle of their parade. There's more to this country than a piece of cloth.
- Vishalrix, on 07/13/2009, -5/+166
"It is pretty bad when I go and fight a tyrannical government somewhere else," Congine said, "and then I come home to find it right here at my front door."
Amazing quote. - louiebaur, on 07/13/2009, -15/+174an accepted way to signal distress?
- inactive, on 07/13/2009, -5/+140It's OK for ANYONE to fly a U.S. flag upside down. That's why we have a First Amendment.
- skyjis6, on 07/13/2009, -9/+132It's a sad day when combat veterans get their rights trampled by the "authorities." I know we're all granted the same ones but i feel like the soldiers who put their lives on the line for the constitution should be held in higher esteem by the f------ing cops. If these four policemen don't want to have consideration for American's constitutional rights then they should be fired.
- MistrBrownstone, on 07/13/2009, -4/+119Way to go douchebags. In the name of protecting a symbol, you've trampled on what the symbol represents. Good work.
- gwaggy12, on 07/13/2009, -1/+115"It is illegal to cause a disruption."
That line made me WTF out loud. - cJw314, on 07/13/2009, -3/+101"It is pretty bad when I go and fight a tyrannical government somewhere else," Congine said, "and then I come home to find it right here at my front door."
QFmfT - Hosalabad, on 07/13/2009, -9/+98Go go, ACLU. Sorry pigs, get a warrant next time.
- dalexandruz, on 07/13/2009, -13/+98Wow and this Marine who flew the flag upside down risked his life in Iraq and now you have these idiots who have never fought in any war telling him it's disrespectful. Anyway, why join the army and risk your life for protecting our so called freedom when it's being taken away by our politicians and these communist cops everyday. I'm sick of hearing about how these cops risk their life to protect ours when it's everybody at risk of losing their lives when they step out of the house you don't see cops being raped and murdered everyday it's happening to the regular joe and jane.
- zyklon, on 07/13/2009, -9/+89IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE
/s, clearly.
We're less free than a lot of other 1st-rate countries in the world, yet we flaunt our "freedom" constantly. - Kent4jmj, on 07/13/2009, -39/+119But its OK for Mexican students at a Ca high school to do it?
- secrity, on 07/13/2009, -2/+77I am a strong liberal and I agree with you.
- Argentothe1st, on 07/13/2009, -9/+80Is dead.
- DavidNiven, on 07/13/2009, -6/+77This guy's opinion trumps ShiningSquirrel's.
- yutt, on 07/13/2009, -16/+84Yeah, that was a terrifying part in 1984 when the police came and took Winston's flag and then returned it the next day.
- v3rtex7740, on 07/13/2009, -9/+76This is why we can't have self government. I call it "Mob Rule".
/s - davewelsh79, on 07/13/2009, -1/+67"WTFOL"?
- yaosio, on 07/13/2009, -2/+67Protest is okay, as long as I agree with it.
- darknecross, on 07/13/2009, -3/+68A former Marine who served in Iraq in 2004 was flying the American flag upside down because he didn't get a liquor license and feared his business would go bankrupt.
Around Independence Day, community members (including one who served in Vietnam) said they were offended and believed he was disrespecting the flag.
The DA sent officers to take the flag down during the Fourth of July parade, and returned it to him the next day.
That's the most unbiased summary I can give. - Xvash2, on 07/13/2009, -3/+61Blue team captured the flag!
- Hue1, on 07/13/2009, -7/+65If anyone has a right to be pissed about what is free, it should be someone who risked their lives for it...not some hick cop who has the freedom to consume donuts in their own "disruptive" way.
- RealmDown, on 07/13/2009, -3/+60Well shoot, here I was all ready to protest, but you've convinced me.
- Rainemaker, on 07/13/2009, -2/+58Politcal Ciritism = (Highly Protected) Free Speech
~Constitution
Free Speech = disruption
~Marinette County Sheriff - Mingfu, on 07/13/2009, -0/+54People need to understand what it is we celebrate on the 4th, it's not "We're America, we're baddass!" It's freedom...which was denied by a bunch of cops listening to people who have confused or possibly take for granted that freedom. They think that freedom means that they can impose their will on someone else.
Email these guys if you're so inclined. I think people need to recognize that actions, are becoming part of a larger theater. Things like this aren't just local town gossip, when it hits the interweb everyone knows your business.
Village of Crivitz
Police Chief Michael G. Frievalt mfrievalt@cpd2.com
Pres. John Deschane jdeschane@vocwi.com - secrity, on 07/13/2009, -0/+54A duly constituted representative of the state government pulled down the flag. As it was the county sheriff's department, they are part of the state government and representative of the state government.
City cops come under the city and county sheriff's come under the State. - d03boy, on 07/13/2009, -2/+55Pretty sure the cops never went to his door and asked if he needed help...
- andymadigan, on 07/13/2009, -2/+53In most (all?) jurisdictions, you cannot get a liquor license until the restaurant is ready or close to ready to open. They want to see the place first.
That's part of the reason that starting a new restaurant is such a huge risk. Towns prefer to not have businesses supporting their economy and bringing in travelers apparently. - Tanktunker, on 07/13/2009, -6/+56You're such a rebel.
- altgeeky1, on 07/13/2009, -5/+53The flag code is not law.
In fact there was NO law violation. Regardless of YOUR opinion re: his free speech, it's bad karma to deliberately spread false information. In fact the few Constitutional limits ON free speech have to do with just that, false information. - secrity, on 07/13/2009, -1/+49Re-read what he wrote -- he said that the sheriff should be arrested.
- inactive, on 07/13/2009, -2/+48"If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable . . . . The way to preserve the flag's special role is not to punish those who feel differently about these matters. It is to persuade them that they are wrong."
U.S. Supreme Court, Texas v. Johnson, 1989, Johnson was convicted in Texas for burning an American flag. The Supreme Court held that that is speech protected by the First Amendment. - scriptcoder, on 07/13/2009, -1/+46Oh noes! Let's give up our freedoms because the police get too many phone calls!
- PopcornDave, on 07/13/2009, -0/+43Didn't you get the memo? It's okay to protest as long as you're not offending anybody.
/s - sharkd, on 07/13/2009, -1/+44Technically, it's Federal law that grants him the *right* to fly the flag upside down, if he feels he is in distress -- 4 U.S.C., Chapter 1, ยง 8 (a):
"The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode04/us ... - sicsempertyrann, on 07/13/2009, -54/+97"BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU."
Orwell's 1984 and Thought Police coming to a city near you. - d03boy, on 07/13/2009, -2/+43Your summary offends me. Take it down!
- inactive, on 07/13/2009, -2/+43That's not a law.
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