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- Insightful, on 10/14/2008, -16/+89(a) voter fraud and voter registration fraud are wildly different; there has not been any documented case of widespread voter fraud
(b) ACORN is required by law to submit the forms exactly as they are filled out, even if the form says "Mickey Mouse"
(c) the scale of voter registration this year is so immense that OF COURSE tens of thousands of bogus registrations may be filled out, in fact, ACORN brought those bogus registrations to the attention of election officials
(d) most importantly, Mickey Mouse is not going to show up and vote
(e), taking into consideration (a)-(d) above, along with the highly publicized voter registration drive being coordinated by the Obama campaign, it looks very much like the Republicans are trying to pre-emptively delegitimize Obama's victory.
Paraphrased from Marc Ambinder from the Atlantic
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/ ... - legs1, on 10/14/2008, -15/+54I am pleased to see some push-back on this.
- Olon97, on 10/14/2008, -13/+49The confirmed cases of voter suppression efforts so far this cycle are far worse than the (unproven every cycle since 2000) allegations that registration fraud (generally flagged by ACORN before submission) will somehow result in actual voter fraud on election day.
The Republican platform of fighting against American citizens being able to vote is despicable. - Dushenko, on 10/14/2008, -10/+46Finally somebody putting it in perspective for the Fox News followers and other fearmongering news organizations. Oh, I forgot most people who still think Fox is a reliable and credible news organization have already lost all perspective. Facts and reason won't make a bit of difference to this crowd.
- charm803, on 10/15/2008, -7/+42The thing with ACORN is that recently, THEY were the ones turning those forms in as "flagged" and yet, we have morons thinking they were trying to cheat for Obama.
(Plouffe is a cutie.) - Echota, on 01/05/2009, -14/+47Smoke and Bluster,trying to divert attention from McCains failing campaign and trying to make Obama look bad!
Not Working!
Obama/Biden 08! - inactive, on 10/14/2008, -8/+38LOL
You have got to be kidding me.
More right wing stupidity trying to defend the Republican assault on the American voter, especially those that might vote Dem.
Actually, right wing shill, your "side" of the story has ZERO proof.
So we'll just let it be called a standard Republican LIE for now.
The fact is it doesn't matter WHAT his ties to ACORN are, because ACORN has never been involved in an illegal vote being cast.
Of course knowing the truth doesn't stop a Republican, does it?
Just keep lying and hoping America is dumb enough to fall for it, right?
How pathetic.
You are obviously impressed with yourself, but let me tell you your blog is a typical right wing smear with no proof for any claims. And you post polls from the AFA like they are polling anyone but extremist rightards?
LOL
Do you feel pathetic for not being able to shill for the GOP without lying or posting ridiculously biased polls and pretending they are objective?
Your blog is crap. It's mostly right wing innuendo with no proof behind it, with opinion editorials to try to fill in the massive gaps left by any REAL journalism.
Basically it's pathetic, and exactly what I expect from Republicans like you.
Oh my god, it gets even more pathetic. I read that WSJ article, wondering what idiot could support the rightard stupidity, and discovered it's just OPINION. Not even that, it's ANONYMOUS.
Whoever wrote it was too embarrassed to put their name on it.
Just when you think some people can't be more dishonest, they prove you wrong.
Like Republicans who pretend that a series of opinion pieces makes real news. - inactive, on 10/14/2008, -9/+33Thank god some Americans are willing to stand up and make sure we all have our vote.
What kind of traitorous scum would try to deny their fellow citizens their rightful vote?
The GOP assault on voters must be stopped, preferably with trials to follow. - DFutureIsNow, on 10/15/2008, -5/+29The GOP voter suppression efforts of young people and minorities, now that is REAL fraud, why is the MSM not parroting those instances of fraud? Oh I forgot, they are all run by the same corporate head honchos who hand money every year to elect republicans to screw the country and make them richer.
- d2002, on 10/14/2008, -21/+45GOP just setting up the stage for a coup.
- bigstinky, on 10/15/2008, -4/+27They're still trying in Michigan:
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2008 ...
Just like the foreclosed on, former homeowners that are all of a sudden not registered to vote.
Michigan is not totally Obama's just yet. We Democrats must get out and vote, no matter the cost. - Lloydinator, on 10/15/2008, -6/+25Fox News: We are the 24 hour ACORN channel.
- ironhide, on 10/15/2008, -5/+21the republicans know the ACORN smears will come to nothing. They're just knitting a security blanket for when Obama wins. They can just blame nasty 'ol ACORN even though there is no proof that a invalid registration=a false vote.
- freedomjoe, on 10/15/2008, -9/+25GOP is committing massive election fraud and voter suppression and voter disenfranchisement AGAIN. Will the MSM never ever report on this? SHAME on you, John McCain. Shame shame shame.
- Wryly, on 10/15/2008, -4/+20Acorn vs. Lobbyist for Saddam Hussein. LOL. Only a maverick could make that comparison.
- insomniac8400, on 10/15/2008, -4/+20What exactly do they think they will charge ACORN with? The people who filled out the forms were low life trash people that took jobs with ACORN getting paid to register people. These low lifes faked the registrations instead of actually registering people.
ACORN did not have a way to validate applications. Plus no one can vote under the fake registrations anyways. - FasterGun, on 10/15/2008, -2/+17Seriously, Im getting really ***** tired of these same repeated brainless slanders that have been disproven time and time again but idiotic ***** like AllanErickson still feel the need to show everyone how entirely inept they are at any kind of cognition at all.
The longer this goes on the deeper hole the republican party digs for itself. This isn't a two sided debate, this is liars making up history and trying to get everyone to believe their ***** by repeating it again and again. Its called framing the election and we've had enough of it. - tjallen, on 10/15/2008, -0/+15Answer me this: Does registering fake voters = votes. Do people vote using the fake registrations? Is it just money for ACORN registrationers? If it equals no votes, then only ACORN and taxpayers are being defrauded. If it equals votes, then the election process has become a sham.
- inactive, on 10/15/2008, -6/+19Ah, who cares. McCain is toast anyway, Obama has a 15% lead over McCain and his skank. ***** em! Let them go ahead and whine and lie.. just worse when they loose!
- diggduggDOOM, on 10/15/2008, -6/+19Where can I find this fact?
- tcbishop12, on 10/15/2008, -9/+22ACORN has registered over 1.3 million voters. Over 60% are people of color. This is a horrifying development for Republicans and the McCain campaign. We all know the drill - cry registration fraud while systematically purging millions of voters from the voter rolls, throwing out votes in African American areas, running campaigns to suppress voter turnout through various deceptive and illegal means.
Will these efforts to suppress democracy succeed?
Not this year. Not this time.
Never again.
Now is the time for each of us to stand tall. Let us state our case openly. Let us trust most of our fellow Americans to rise to the occasion. The choice is clear.
Vote! - t0nic, on 10/15/2008, -1/+13Other countries laugh at us because somehow Republicans believe imaginary people like Mickey Mouse are gonna show up and vote.
Unless you can show me how imaginary registrations and stuff translates to additional votes at the polls all the Republicans have done is complain about nothing. - bowens44, on 10/15/2008, -6/+17You're either ignorant or you're a liar. It is not a corrupt organization and your charge of racketeering is ridiculous. NO, it's not a fact, it's the opinion of an ignorant, mindless, easily duped lemming. BTW , did you know that McCain gave the keynote address at Acorn's national meeting in 2006?
I suggest that instead of sitting around drinking beer and listening to rush all day you get a job and try to make something of yourself..... - jackieblu, on 10/15/2008, -6/+17McCain was the Key note speaker at ACORN a couple of years ago-praising their work!
- inactive, on 10/15/2008, -2/+13as usual, whatever huge evil ***** the neococks are up to, they're sure to be making a great big tantrum over accusing the Dems of some much much smaller version of it. Want to toss a hundred thousand left-voters off the rolls? no problem, let's just get everybody worried about some brown guy who OMG wanted to try and vote 73 times! doesn't matter that he never would have been able to. Need to trash the constitution and torch our way of life? ooooh, look over there, there's a scary brown person who wants to do that, get him!
the sad truth is they know most of the time this ***** will totally work just fine. Look you right in the eye and just lie. - JoeRW, on 10/15/2008, -2/+12AGREE 100%
This type of bogus righteous clamouring about 'voter fraud' is trumped up for one particular reason: To distract attention from and drown out evidence of 'vote fraud' either before or after the fact.
This was a successful tactic after the mess in Ohio last election where a fake 'voting rights' group was presented to a congressional panel to explain the 'voter fraud' in Ohio and thereby misdirect all accusations of 'vote fraud' to those of the non existent (except for Ann Coulter ironically) 'voter fraud'. See: http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=4418
Just to clarify 'vote fraud' is the gaming of the actual statistical vote with bogus numbers (Covering whole counties and states) whereas 'voter fraud' is someone voting twice by pretending theyre someone else. Theyre worlds apart in seriousness and import.
These allegations of 'voter fraud' are therefore a typical device where the one side (democrats in this case) is unfairly accused of an incredibly minor version of the truly big lie crime being committed on the other side. Ingenious PR overrides horrible truth that people dont want to look at. - wendelgee2, on 10/15/2008, -1/+11Actually, I can register a couple of times...it doesn't mean that I can vote multiple times.
Do you really not know how this works? Do you think the gov't just blindly makes a list and doesn't check it to make sure there aren't duplicate voter registration applications? - jackieblu, on 10/15/2008, -1/+11The major voter fraud is the GOP purging votes, that's the real fraud, and it's a disgrace!
- jdelgado8, on 10/15/2008, -3/+12FIx News coverage is to be expected, but CNN is part of the fraud also. They had a so called series of special reports on ACORN today. They are perpetrating a lie to keep white people fearful of Barack. They both can kiss my black behind!
- danillum, on 10/15/2008, -4/+13Do you really think the Obama campaign is "...off the tracks"? What gives you that impression?
McCain is attacking Obama for things that he is guilty of himself. Are you too thickheaded to see that?
What you don't realize is that ACORN is being victimized so that more democrats can be purged from the rolls. It's McCain's only chance to get elected. - KingGoonie, on 10/15/2008, -4/+13You always lose, since you are a delusional loser.
- wendelgee2, on 10/15/2008, -3/+11Are you saying the Obama campaign is off the tracks as he opens up a 14-point lead in the latest poll and a double-digit lead in composite polls, and every honest Republican politician and pundit jumps ship from the McCain campaign?
Seriously? Are you willing to publicly jeopardize your credibility to that point? - hollywoodphony, on 10/15/2008, -1/+9Where is it "well documented"? Where are these "facts"? Do you know what a fact actually is? Do you think just stating that something is a fact makes it so? Oh... you do. I see.
- sulthernao, on 10/15/2008, -2/+9When mickey mouse votes call me as well. Fact is these registrations are FLAGGED by ACORN before submission. How is this a big deal? It might be an inconvenience for the SoS departments but it isn't voter fraud.
- Mujokan, on 10/15/2008, -0/+7"So Diggers are saying they didn't commit voter fraud?"
- They are saying workers committed voter registration fraud to earn more money.
Or are they saying Obama didn't give them 800,000 this campaign?
- They are saying Obama gave a subsidiary (Citizen Services) $800,000 for canvassing in the last campaign (the primary campaign). They haven't been paid by the Obama campaign to register people then or now.
Or are Diggers saying Obama wasn't a lawyer for Acorn?
- They are saying he represented Acorn and the US Justice Department when they sued the State of Illinois many years ago to get them to implement a law that wasn't being implemented.
So, what? What did Obama do wrong? - danillum, on 10/15/2008, -3/+10McCain is involved with ACORN as well. Does that mean they're both going down? Is Chuck Baldwin going to be the only real choice left after this?
It is all BS by the way. Please keep up with current events before making yourself into an asshat. - wendelgee2, on 10/15/2008, -1/+8It doesn't equal votes. If it equaled votes, it would require a massive conspiracy of private citizens willing to commit a federal crime without any hope of monetary gain. Would you risk fine and imprisonment just to vote one more time? Of course not. If you do, then YOU are the one committing fraud.
What ever happened to personal responsibility, anyway? - KingGoonie, on 10/15/2008, -5/+12Um.. other countries laugh at us because of our REPUBLICAN dumb ass president.
- IneedaSN, on 10/15/2008, -3/+10election day hasn't happened yet,
how can there have been voter fraud if the election hasn't occured
next obama will be accused of having a time machine that allowed him to travel into the future and
rig the election, or maybe he traveled back in time...or maybe hes an alien.
that has as much merit as the rest of the GOP smears - sulthernao, on 10/15/2008, -4/+11Prove that someone voted as "Mickey Mouse" and then you'll have voter fraud. Until then it isn't.
- hollywoodphony, on 10/15/2008, -0/+7Well, I'm definitely convinced that you're not gay now!
- senseofit, on 10/15/2008, -11/+17I find it rather un-canny of the timing and geographics of this. The smells of a GOP rat.
Isn't it rather interesting that this shows up just at the same time that the troopergate investigation report is released and this "investigation" is only taking place in the battleground states?
I do agree that nobody should have registered more than once to vote. However, the entire ACORN agency is not at fault. Every agency has it's bad apples. There were a few bad employees who made it stink for everyone. The people involved who did register more than once were shown on tv and they were very young people who were very persuadable and not yet educated on the laws. This was limited to a few people.
I find it very hypocritical of the GOP to be screaming voter fraud this loud. Let's look at the past two elections.
2000-Palm Beach County Florida-A very strong Democratic Stronghold. There were 500 disputed ballots. The reason, somehow, the "butterfly ballots" were set up in a very confusing manner that mis-led and confused the voters. One columnist noted that completing the ballot "was like figuring out a jigsaw puzzle". The confusion of trying to figure out these ballots threw the voters off and people who intended to vote for one candidate voted for another accidentially because the ballots were mis-leading. A report later came out that Fox News was the original network that pulled the state back from Al Gore and then later the other networks followed suit. This happened after a Republican call was made to Fox News. At the time, a cousin of George Bush was working at Fox News. This was rather coincidential.
Additionally, reports in Florida and in other states came in that Republican committees were sending out notices to voters in democratic areas with the wrong voting days.
2004-Florida-Again, this time, in a particular county, Sheriff's Deputies were given the completed ballots for that county to deliver to the election headquarters to be counted. The travel distance was about five miles. The Sheriff's deputies did not arrive at the election headquarters with those ballots until 6 hours later.
After what has taken place in the more recent elections, while I am not going to justify or condone anyone registering more than once and feel that it is wrongful, regardless of the party, but at the same time feel that the GOP is just as guilty if not more and they tend to be the more guilty party in this. There has been un-official, but not yet confirmed reports out on the street that the Republicans have been or have been trying to purge registrations, but I have not heard anything about this being investigated.
In listening to the GOP argument it is a matter of credibility.
For example, John McCain and Sarah Palin continually pound away at Barack Obama relentlessly on the topic of William Ayres. Their attacks are mis-leading and deceptive. At the time of Ayres's alleged actions, Barack Obama was only 4 years old. It is also a known fact and it has been publically stated in the media that if you are in Chicago as a politician you are going to come across this person whether you know him or not and it is un-avoidable. It was also made clear that Barack Obama is not friends with this person and is in no way close with this person. At the same time, an article came out today stating that John McCain recently selected William Timmons for his transition team. William Timmons is a lobbyist, who according to the article, aided Saddam Hussein in the 1990s during certain negotiations. So when it comes down to it, you have to look at integrity and credibility and the overall picture here. I want to make one more point. It was made very clear that Barack Obama and his campaign are in no way associated with ACORN. I find it very coincidential that I saw a picture of John McCain posing with an ACORN committee in a 2006 picture just a few days ago. John McCain continues to make false claims in his ads that Barack Obama allowed de-regulation that led to the market collapse, in particular the housing markets. Again, a false statement. John McCain is the one who has been the strong proponent of the continual de-regulation that has led to the collapse of the markets, noted specifically as far back with the Keating Five situation and to date he still supports strong de-regulation. Barack Obama has clearly stated his opposition to John McCain's stance on strong de-regulations in his debates and speeches. Sarah Palin made a false remark during one of her speeches yesterday that Barack Obama has not once mentioned being for the American People. Barack Obama has stated almost every day that he is running not for him and not for Joe Biden, but he is running for us, the American People and for change. He clearly demonstrates the willingness to bring about positive change that John McCain and Sarah Palin are not. - wendelgee2, on 10/15/2008, -1/+7Yes.
- Kazaki, on 10/15/2008, -2/+8You're right. Obama needs to do something if he hopes to beat McCain by more then 14 points and fast. Anything less then that, and McCain wins by default. It's just how we're doing it this year.
What now, bitches?
/sarcasm - jackieblu, on 10/15/2008, -0/+6Absolutely correct, they have been flagging the ones they catch!
- RipleyIsDead, on 10/15/2008, -0/+6The fact that ALL of the fraudulent registrations were written by the same person, in the same hand, made me highly skeptical of the whole thing right off the bat. Seriously, what ***** would turn in 2,500 fake voter registrations in the SAME HANDWRITING unless they WANTED the things to be spotted and investigated? I'm guessing that ACORN either hired temps to do the canvasing and collecting, or used volunteers. Either way, it would have been incredibly easy for the neo-cons to slip someone in there to do the dirty work. And given the despicable way in which the GOP has been operating for the last 10-12 years, I'm more than willing to assume they are the guilty ones.
- jackieblu, on 10/15/2008, -2/+8Yeah, as if Mickey, or the Cowboys will show up to vote. Acorn hires people that get paid by how many people they register. These silly "frauds" don't actually turn into votes, however, Acorn should re-think their system.
- DD2CC2U, on 10/15/2008, -1/+6GOP targeting ACORN to 'intimidate, suppress' voters
http://216.87.173.33/media/2008/0810/ap_acorn_resp ...
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_GOP_t ... - Naieve, on 10/15/2008, -1/+6I loved the part where Clinton came out and said he doesn't think deregulation had anything to do with the economic crisis. Brilliant Bill, just brilliant.
He used intergovernmental loans and short term economic policies to lower the deficit during his term, there being no actual surplus when the intergovernmental loans are factored in, and totally ignores the fact that he lead the way, with Republicans and Democrats cheering him on, straight toward this economic abyss
I swear, that guy is the best liar I have ever seen.
No wonder he was such a great politician. - DD2CC2U, on 10/15/2008, -1/+6GOP targeting ACORN to 'intimidate, suppress' voters, Purge Voters
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7658182. ...
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6453
http://216.87.173.33/media/2008/0810/ap_acorn_resp ...
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_GOP_t ...
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Look out for STUFF like the above "voter purges" and report them to the right authorities including the Obama Campaign ...
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