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youtube.com — A commentary calling for the end of the money bombs. And I agree.

Who dugg this? Made popular Dec 22, 2007

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  • inactive, on 12/22/2007, -6/+210He made some really good points.
  • Spectre74, on 12/22/2007, -4/+188It is definitely time to switch to this method. The money bomb has seen its days, and will diminish in effectiveness, as shown by the recent evidence. Steady-stream is more reportable and efficient now. IMHO.
  • quidpro, on 12/22/2007, -6/+173Just some random guy...but he makes a good case. A regular, reliable flow of money would/should be just as impressive as money bombs, and the bombs run the risk of not breaking each previous record. The 'other side' would love to see that. I imagine they'd hate to see the grassroots campaign actually bobbing and weaving, planning ahead, etc, changing strategies as needs dictate. Dugg for good thinkin, and I'm not even convinced RP is my guy.
  • cholland, on 12/22/2007, -2/+115BRILLIANT!!! Very well articulated. I agree 100%!
  • seks03, on 12/22/2007, -2/+74Im in, he made some good points
  • nickbetzold, on 12/22/2007, -14/+80Makes a lot of sense--but I think the goal could be set higher as our numbers increase.
  • AustinMandi, on 12/22/2007, -1/+63 I think it is a good idea to move away from the money bombs. I knew their days were numbered when to my utter disbelief, the MSM was able to marginalize the record-breaking Tea Party drive and hardly report on it at all. And since the whole idea of the money bombs were not only to infuse the campaign with cash, but to get the media's attention, it seems that a different tactic is now in order. With all the creative minds that make up this grassroots campaign, I'm sure we will have no problem coming up with something equally spectacular.
  • felchdonkey, on 12/22/2007, -16/+72He makes a really good point - but I have to be the one to say it: could you even make up a more sterotypical Ron Paul supporter if you tried?
    He looks like he lives on Warcraft, Doritos, and FiOS. He's even got the FSM t-shirt on, fergawdssake.

    I was halfway expecting him to say "I can has nu prezident?"

    Thank god he was actually intelligent and articulate. I can just see some MSM news story using a clip of him speaking to illustrate the "typical internet Ron Paul supporter."
  • JavelinDragon, on 12/22/2007, -10/+63Nice shirt and overall good idea
  • jaymzdean, on 12/22/2007, -2/+45Without the money bombs, his funding might not have reached $12 Million.
    You want to help Dr. Paul and yourself?
    Become a delegate in your precinct.
  • bousquetcm, on 12/22/2007, -1/+43^^^ Agreed. Methods do have to switch up and the payday coincide is a good tactic. Im starting this thurs.
  • blorc, on 12/22/2007, -2/+41I completely agree. This is a great idea. I'll put in my $25 on Friday.
  • chriscromp, on 12/22/2007, -2/+39So we make our $25 weekly payments directly to ron paul?
  • narzy, on 12/22/2007, -12/+44to your first point, it has been a long while since brown v. BOE, I think the climate has changed a bit. in terms of being racist, I think that could be quickly solved by finding a black baby Mr. Paul delivered for free and put that argument to rest.

    "would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens" -- and what is wrong with that?

    on your 2nd point Dr. Paul (yes that is DOCTOR -- OB-GYN at that...) has CONSISTANTLY said that he would leave it up to the STATES to decide on abortion rights and would work to re-evaluate Roe v. Wade I don't agree with that...but this statement takes the cake..."This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents." -- Straight up *****! and I think I would listen to the baby doctor on when life is created rather then some random web page trying to tear an American hero apart...but you must be one of those people who believe everything on the internets is true...

    on point #3...Paul's Tax plan is as fair as any, our current federal tax system is a complete disaster it is complicated, unfair towards low income households, raping the middle class, and rewarding the rich with 50% tax rates...yes flat tax is logarithmically but our tiered tax structure is a joke...as for getting rid of tax credits, they would no longer be necessary under Dr. Pauls administration, he would bring us back to a pre year 2000 spending level...over all more money in our pockets from the beginning...

    your 4th point is just such utter ***** I don't even want to touch it...basically the free market and the courts will encourage environmental activism, if your neighbor or a company is creating a large environmental impact their ass will get sued out of business, it is in everybody's best interest to keep their ***** clean.

    and finally, point 5...the UN is a joke, and has been for years, it is a leach on our country and needs to be shot. we are the single largest monitary contributor to the UN and we get nothing out of it, in fact most members of the UN despise us, why should we continue to give money and resources to those self righteous bastards?

    In closing,

    burst in to flames and die in a fire you uninformed git...you obviously have no clue as to what the hell you are talking about.
  • scbysnx, on 12/22/2007, -3/+34I'm confused as to how affirmative action is equal rights?
  • magoghm, on 12/22/2007, -2/+31I agree 100%
  • masterm1nd, on 12/22/2007, -3/+32Buried for not actually being Kevin Smith.
  • Frostman3D, on 12/22/2007, -0/+27I like the idea of sending Dr. Paul money, but I think we should focus more on the grass roots effort of getting the word out. I'd like to see more signs on the highways, more blimps in the air, more Google Ron Paul signs on rooftops, and more original ways to get everyone to find out more about Ron Paul. The messages is popular, if they hear it, they'll vote for him. Any advertising we do, is money Ron Paul doesn't have to spend on getting the word out.
  • NightVortez, on 12/22/2007, -6/+31Agree 100% and will support RonPaul pay day.
  • CandidateZero, on 12/22/2007, -1/+23Yeah, he did. The most impacting point for me was the idea that if, for whatever reason, the next money bomb falls under the 6M mark, the mainstream press will hail it as the decline of the Ron Paul movement. That mustn't happen.

    It's risk versus reward: What do we have to lose (in terms of publicity) with a non-record-breaking money bomb? A "failed" money bomb would be far louder in the press than a victorious one. In terms of practicality, a consistent flow would aid the Paul campaign more when the cost/benefit analysis of the strategies is considered.
  • imgstacke, on 12/22/2007, -1/+23You should, he can replace your job with a shell script
  • bjornski, on 12/22/2007, -4/+24Dugg up for "I can has nu prezident?"
  • jimbabb, on 12/22/2007, -5/+24This graph indicates funds raised over time: http://ronpaulgraphs.com/full_quarter.html
    The slope appears relatively constant with two huge spikes on the Nov 5th & Dec 16. So, I fail to see the evidence indicating that contributions drop before or after a money-bomb event. Sure, it might be hard to plan when you don't know what santa will bring you, but you don't cancel Xmas.

    I do like the payday idea. Let's keep these great ideas coming.

  • kazamx, on 12/22/2007, -1/+20The MOST IMPORTANT thing that real Ron Paul fans can do now is convert as many people to the Republican party before it is too late. We have raised more money than Ron could ever have dreamed. Now its time to let the official campaign spend that money and convert more people over to the revolution. But on its own this means nothing.

    We could have 100% of independents AND 100% of democrats switched over to Ron, but if they can't vote in the primary then they mean nothing. Unless we get enough people registered republican in time Ron won't win.

    On a recent Ron Paul march a survey found that only 1/4 of people were registered and able to vote. That means for every 10 votes Ron gets, 30 votes are missing because people didn't bother to register.

    If we could register every current Ron Paul supporter we could increase Rons votes 4 times over.

    Lets focus on registering the people our money converts.
  • kazamx, on 12/22/2007, -0/+18I don't think he wants you to give to his site. Its like teaparty07.com or november5.com. They were the core gathering point but everyone gave their money to ronpaul2008.com.
  • ebadiere, on 12/22/2007, -4/+22I don't think anyone on youtube or digg will care what the guy looks like. He makes sense! I am in.
  • joebob, on 12/22/2007, -3/+21+1 for 'I can has nu prezident'
  • ryanschmidt, on 12/22/2007, -0/+17It says right on his website, "All Donations should be made at www.RonPaul2008.com."

    http://ronpaulspayday.com/
  • rq60, on 12/22/2007, -1/+18I'm Ron Paul, and this is my wizard.
  • imgstacke, on 12/22/2007, -3/+20Affirmative Action is not equal rights... Erase all of that garbage... Equal Rights for All is all that is needed. Everything else is discriminatory by grouping people together based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
  • Futurejunior, on 12/22/2007, -4/+19Dugg for flying spaghetti monster t-shirt
  • Vorticity, on 12/22/2007, -1/+15I know people like that piss you off. They piss me off too, but seriously, being civil when you explain why someone is a moron will win more people to Ron Paul's side than telling them that they are a moron. You aren't going to win over the people who make posts like Araxen's because they are already decided, so don't bother. However, if you are going to comment after seeing something like that, you should write in such a way that undecided people who read your comments will see that your arguments make sense and that Ron Paul is the best man for the job. What you should NOT do when you reply to someones comments is write in an offensive manner. Offensive comments from Ron Paul supporters make all of us look immature and uninsightful to those who we may still be able to sway to our cause.

    The anti Ron Paul people are going to be offensive at times (though Araxen's was actually pretty well reasoned and minimally offensive), but since they are not making comments about who they support their immaturity and crassness cannot hurt their candidate. In defending our candidate, though, since it is obvious who we are supporting, every word we say gets tied to Ron Paul.

    To summarize, CHOOSE YOUR WORDS CAREFULLY! Only say what is necessary to refute the arguments against Ron Paul or present arguments in his support. Do not allow yourself to be goaded into looking like a pissed off teenager.
  • borninda818, on 12/22/2007, -4/+18Please, enlighten us.
  • gypsynuke, on 12/22/2007, -0/+13I don't think most people are so uneducated they haven't heard of the Boston tea party. They may not be able to tell you much about it, but they probably know what it is.
  • scubasteve377, on 12/22/2007, -0/+13@dronf
    Support of the minimum wage is a dead giveaway that a person doesn't have the slightest understanding of economics. Let me help you with this one. The minimum wage began as a humanitarian measure (good intentions will be the death of us) to raise the economic well-being of the working poor. Its consequences, however, have been devastating on the economy. For starters, it has made the American worker noncompetitive and jobs have (for obvious reasons) moved overseas where labor in manufacturing, as well as information technology and other fields, is much cheaper. Which has in turn, made those American companies who do not import goods and export jobs, noncompetitive. This means less jobs and higher unemployment.

    The minimum wage also leads to artificial price inflation, negating the very purpose of its creation. For example: Say minimum wage is already in place and it is currently $5.50 an hour, but the legislature decides to raise it to $7.50 an hour. Now suddenly, companies like Walmart, have to pay every one of their employees making minimum wage, two dollars more per hour. Where does the money come from? Well, there will be cost-cutting and down-sizing (even more jobs lost, even higher unemployment), but mainly they will get the money from raising prices. This rise in prices by retailers, manufacturers, and service industries, will, from the bottom up, destroy the new-found buying power, leaving those whom the government was attempting to help, in the same (or, quite possibly, in a worse) situation they started in. Giving someone more money is meaningless if they haven't gained any buying power. Hardest hit by this inflation, though, is the middle class, because even though they haven't been given a raise, their cost of living increases anyways.

    This is why the minimum wage is not, has never been, and will never be a living wage. It is simply a political opiate to the mindless masses who demand higher wages, but do not grasp the concept that what they should be demanding is a dollar that is worth more. But they don't, and the ill-effects of the minimum wage are just another problem, created by the government, but that will be blamed on the free market, and will likely lead to yet more regulation.

    OSHA standards limit competition and protect the profits of big business, by making it exponentially more expensive to start a small business. The EPA and minimum wage also contribute to this and, depending on the nature of the business, so do the FCC, FAA, FDA, etc. Most of standards are wholly unnecessary because they mostly deal with negligence and fraud, and would be subject to litigation, or even possibly even prosecution, regardless . But what matters is you get that warm fuzzy feeling you get when you think you're doing something good for the world and sticking it to those evil corporations, not the actual ineffectiveness or negative impact on the economy, right?
  • missingalaska, on 12/22/2007, -2/+15I agree, if by chance a future bomb is smaller it'll be plastered everywhere that support for RP is on the decline. I think a better idea is a unified 50 state banner waving rally at major intersections. Wouldn't be too hard with the current meetup network.
  • BigCzech, on 12/22/2007, -3/+15$25 a week to get our country back is nothing!!! I am In!!!!
  • Spectre74, on 12/22/2007, -1/+13Why not? I've been known to listen to a politician (and believe him).
  • MetalliTooL, on 12/22/2007, -0/+12How much easier can it possibly be than going to ronpaul2008.com and clicking on "DONATE"?....
  • kjk437, on 12/22/2007, -0/+12The point is to give to ronpaul2008.com. His site is just to raise awareness. The "cutting a check" is just a metaphor.
  • frenchmoustache, on 12/22/2007, -2/+14I am still undecided which candidate that I back as of yet, but this is very smart advice. I respect that. Good luck supporters.
  • insomniac8400, on 12/22/2007, -2/+13Good to know the cast of LOST is supporting Ron Paul. That should count as an endorsement.
  • gypsynuke, on 12/22/2007, -1/+12We're helping them on credit. If you paid your mother's rent on a visa card and never paid it off, eventually you wouldn't be in a position to help anyone. Also when you give help it should be voluntary.
  • inactive, on 12/22/2007, -1/+11That's LORD flying spaghetti monster you irreverent piece of *****.
  • CandidateZero, on 12/22/2007, -0/+10Hmm, I wonder how many heads that TZ reference went over. It certainly went over mine.

    I wouldn't worry about it. This guy isn't trying to be a celebrity. He's merely a conduit for an idea for the benefits of changing the grassroots campaign strategy. Judge him by what he said.

    Who cares about the Twilight Zone? His message was solid enough.
  • kcdstudios, on 12/22/2007, -0/+10Because the individual personal philosophies of people are less than the public right to do what they want to do. Ron Paul isn't pushing his own agenda. He is pushing the constitution, the agenda of the people. It is possible for people to disagree and live under the ideals of liberty.
  • robotsongs, on 12/22/2007, -0/+9Hell, Chuck Norris endorsed Huckabee and now look at where he is!

    Ron Paul needs a famous ninja, pirate or Hun raider to endorse him, STAT!
  • Turbosc, on 12/22/2007, -2/+11Under Construction
    The site you were trying to reach does not currently have a default page. It may be in the process of being upgraded.

    uh... maybe would have been a great idea to create the site before posting the video.
  • systemghost, on 12/22/2007, -1/+10I even felt kind of iffy about the tea party, but as the day grew closer it gathered a lot of steam. Still, having said that I can completely understand his viewpoints. This is still a clever way of providing funding for more blimpy-esque grassroots promotional ideas and also a steady, noticeable and conversation-starting donation to the campaign. I like it.
  • RonaldLewis, on 12/22/2007, -6/+15The abolishment of the Federal Reserve and IRS is more than enough reasons to be *convinced*.
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