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Picture of Aborted Fetus to be Flown Over Cleveland

cleveland.com — As a shock tactic, a national group that opposes abortion plans to fly a billboard-size picture of an aborted fetus over Cleveland beginning Monday.

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  • Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -19/+158This is just WRONG.

    Forget how your feel about abortion -- right or wrong.

    This "picture" will be seen my thousands of young children who don't need to have such graphic images forced on them at such an early age.

    If this plan is actually executed, the organizers should be jailed for public decency and slapped with 100x the fine CBS got for its Janet Jackson / "public decency" problem.
  • qwickone, on 10/12/2007, -10/+143Seriously. Ew. The thing is, this offends people on both sides of the debate. It makes people not want to have anything to do with it. Wouldnt it be a little better to inform/educate people and let them make a decision? Disgusting people isnt going to make them anti-choice, it's just going to make them disgusted.

    And just a little side comment for all anti-choicer.pro-lifers out there - pro-choice doesn't mean anti-life or pro-abortion. In fact, I'm pro-choice and anti-abortion, but pro-choicers still think it's an individual's decision to make, not for the govt to decide for you.
  • Koopa, on 10/12/2007, -21/+150Maybe we should fly a big banner of the corpse of a victim of Lou Gehrig's disease, Parkinson's disease, or a spinal cord injury, in order to convince these types of people to support stem cell research
  • Koopa, on 10/12/2007, -14/+128"If you have a problem looking at an aborted fetus, and you are angered by having looked at an aborted fetus, you should have a problem with aborting fetuses."

    If you support the war in Iraq, you shouuld have no problem looking at mutilated bodies of Iraqis and Americans blown to bits by bombs and IEDs. If you eat hamburgers, you should have no problem looking at pictures of people slaughtering cows. If you supported the Union against the Confederates, you should have no problem looking at pictures of a Southern soldier's gangrenous wounds and amputated limbs. If you support heart surgery, you should have no problem looking at a patient's chest cut open on an operating table.

    Do you fell silly yet?
  • Haroldx, on 10/12/2007, -12/+111Ew. Just ew.
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+81... and yet, the same people probably don't want to think about a slaughtered cow when they eat their cheeseburgers. Unlike a full-grown cow, a fetus in the first several weeks doesn't actually have a functioning brain. As far as I'm concerned, that's the cutoff in the abortion debate. As long as there is no logical reason to believe that the fetus has an active brain, I have nothing against abortion. IMO, that is the biggest difference between a parasite and a child (though, some people think children *are* parasites :P).

    Some people will argue against that with vague concepts like "potential." Hypothetical situations shouldn't be basis for law. Sure, it might be the next Einstein... but, following that logic, it might be the next Hitler. Not having sex in the first place would have had the same net results (no children) from the "potential Einstein" standpoint. Are they saying virginity is a bad thing? If your actions accidentally kill the fetus, should you be charged with manslaughter? Where do you draw the line in these hypothetical situations? Hypothetically speaking, having sex can be deadly. Hypothetically speaking, even breathing can kill under the right circumstances. Should all *potentially* deadly activities be banned? Doing *anything* could set off a chain of events leading, in the future, to the destruction of the entire human race.

    Also, I don't think supernatural concepts (like a "soul") should play into it, from a legal standpoint. Otherwise, if you're using Christian concepts as laws... every living person would be a criminal... unless you ignore some of the rules. That's not even considering the hypothetical situation of Christians having to live under another religion's system of laws and being persecuted for their beliefs. Wait... I lied. That last one wasn't hypothetical. It's actually why a lot of them live here. They fled to the new world to escape persecution and then, a few of centuries later, apparently turned around and decided that their religion should be the law. Except, this time, there is no uncharted land to which the persecuted can flee... so they'll have to either sit there and take it or fight back.
  • tsunamisteve, on 10/12/2007, -5/+70The thing that pro-lifers (or at least the extremists that fly aborted fetus pictures over a city) don't seem to get is that nobody likes abortions. It's not like pro-choice people want girls to get pregnant so the fetuses can be aborted. Pro-choicers simply understand that in "free" (hah) nation, a girl or woman should have the ability to decide what she does to her body.

    I'm not trying to start an argument, just saying that actions like this in Cleveland aren't doing a bit of good for either side and is frankly not something many people want to see. (Aren't pro-lifers generally the ones complaining about graphic material in games and on TV?)
  • andrewbmoore, on 10/12/2007, -8/+70@IIII
    I think Chewy's point is that children should not be subject to images like that in public. It's the same as showing this type of image all over public TV during the day. When I have children, I would be furious if my young child came home crying and couldn't sleep all night due to nightmares because they were shown images of mutilated human corpses. They don't have the same mental capacity as experienced adults to handle images like that.
  • cmiz, on 10/12/2007, -8/+63@IIII: it's perfectly legal for me to take a *****... but people would probably get offended if I put it in a zip-lock back and carried it around with me to show it off.

    Whether you're for or against abortion, flying horrible graphic images in very public area is just gross. These are the same people doing this that would cry bloody murder if a pair of boobs were ever shown in public. Grow up and do something productive for your cause.
  • dagonweb, on 10/12/2007, -24/+78This sillyness isn't even a topic of discussion here in the netherlands. We are so faredge "liberal" here people opposed to abortion don't even get media attention here.

    As far as I am concerned I am all for abortion, especially when the foetus is disfigured or unable to compete in society. I am all for healthy people. I think it is cruel to let someone be born with a disability.
  • tokyomonster, on 10/12/2007, -8/+59"It will be categorically the most shocking we have ever done," he said. "The imagery is so horrifying that I can't almost stand to look at it. So, logically, I decided it'd be best to fly this son of a bitch over a city. I mean, that makes sense, right?"
  • orangeRam, on 10/12/2007, -8/+45I'm pro-life, anti-death penalty, anti-war...all that good stuff; but I have to say I find that tactic appauling. It certainly isn't going to "win any hearts and minds", just disgust people. I really doubt any people exposed to that type of tactic would show outrage for the act of abortion, more likely they'll show outrage towards the display of the image.

    and @Lyph4:

    So the nutrition the mother's body provides the fetus and the other biological aspects of child-bearing are how parasites are handled by the immune system? I have no medical experience, but there is a specific disease where the embryo is treated as a parasite, which is very rare. Pregnancy itself is not treated by the body as a paracitic occurance
  • treed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+39@mrfoos

    Wow, what a non-sequitur. Just because I don't like looking at pictures of people defecating doesn't mean that I'm against defecation.
  • tokyomonster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37@ IIII

    Even being responsible yeilds accidents. Rubbers break, and people can't help that. That's just one of the many variables that could result in an unwanted birth. The most careful drivers get into car accidents, just as the most careful couples, accidently conceive.
  • Sarcose, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34"If you have a problem looking at an aborted fetus, and you are angered by having looked at an aborted fetus, you should have a problem with aborting fetuses."

    I have a problem with looking at black, tar-infested lungs and pictures of STD victims they use to shock people in public education, and I am angered when someone forces me to look at such things to prove a point, but I do not have a problem with removing such harmful things from the body.

    Feti, in the stage of development in which it is legal to abort them, have not yet been defined as separate, sentient, living creatures. Rather, they are a part of another person's body. Prove that they are separate, sentient, living creatures and we will talk, but don't make blanket statements that have no argumentative substance.
  • mc900ftjesus, on 10/12/2007, -12/+37Are the pro-choice people going to fly a picture of a woman being raped and forced to carry a rapists' child?
  • AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -5/+29@IIII
    "Gee, then they should have thought about that BEFORE they decided not to use a rubber, huh?"

    Yeah, because condoms *never* break, right?
  • candiru, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24just when i thought my mental image of the huge gross picture being flown was bad enough
  • tokyomonster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26@ captain:

    At probably an equal ratio(woman who have abortions: suffer depression, to this) woman who decide to have the baby still suffer depression. In fact, it's the same kind of depression one would suffer after an abortion. It's called postpartum depression. Read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_depression .

    Both situations are emotionally traumatic.
  • mranime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27@IIII

    What if the woman in question was a victim of rape?
  • patientzero, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24"Gee ladies, looks like you should be a little more responsible and not get raped so much."

    "So there's a good change you'll die if you give birth to a child? Oh, well. Suck it up, bitch."

    There are exceptions to the rules. For this reason, an all-encompassing abortion ban would exclude some individuals from doing what is in their best interest.
  • qwickone, on 10/12/2007, -10/+29Anyone that's done any research on this topic knows that adoption is not a good option for most people because 1) you still actually have to be pregant for 9 months and 2) even if you dont want the child at the beginning of the pregancy, its hard to give up something you've been carrying around for the better part of a year and that you've developed a physical and emotional bond with.
  • Koopa, on 10/12/2007, -10/+29"Are the pro-choice people going to fly a picture of a woman being raped and forced to carry a rapists' child?"

    "If the picture was taken after the first year, it would be of a loving mother and happy baby. The rapist wouldn't be in the picture. Sounds like a happy ending to me."

    Will the picture also include all of the mother's shrink's medical bills to deal with the baggage of having an unwanted rapist's son?
  • Koopa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20"Maybe you should spend some quiet time alone, without distractions, and think about why it ~really~ bothers you."

    Because its a juvenile tactic meant to exploit peoples gag reflex?
  • lidflipper, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23"pro-abortion"

    Yes, lets abort every fetus.
  • Oobitsa, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20You guys are going to disagree on this one. No getting over that. Shock tactics such as this little stunt, however, are just stupid. Why not show pictures of the remains of American GI in Iraq to get people to stop the war? Because it's juvenile and offensive.
  • treleung, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Remember guys- this picture is going to be a third-term(or late term) abortion. This type of abortion is not available everywhere.. and many doctors wont do it. Most abortions are performed when the fetus hardly looks like anything human.
  • Ochoa278, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21This is so wrong in many levels.
  • drgori, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19It's amazing that people who are so strongly opposed to something fetishize it to such a degree. Anti-abortion activists are obsessed with fetuses.

    I can't wait until the anti-gay marriage crowd starts flying pictures of lesbians in action. Seriously, I can't.
  • unklefudd, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Sick. I am sure it will do wonders for their cause. What next? Maybe burn a couple of clinics or shoot some doctors?
    The general perception that many anti-abortion supporters are dangerous sociopaths will only be strengthened.
  • CaptainBukko, on 10/12/2007, -12/+27Well since nobody seems to have brought it up yet...where does free speach fit in to this whole thing. I mean I think the idea is dumb and when they came to my campus I was pretty sickened at the idea, esp. since at least a public college campus can regulate what is shown and chose not to. But I digress, the point is doesn't this group get the same free speach we all do? I mean people here are arguing for a woman's right to kill (or remove or whatever) a fetus while trying to ignore the right of this group to show that to people. I mean I don't really know how many people know what exactly goes on in an abortion, but maybe this would shock a few people into not chosing that option.
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17@ tsunamisteve

    Isn't it ironic that a lot of the same people who would be part of this are the same ones that are against graphic violence, and sex in video games? You can always change the channel or not buy a game, but you can' choose whether or not you don't want a massive flying billboard going over your house/school/workplace. I think this completely flies in the face of what many of these people have been preaching.
  • lozaning, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13i have always been pro life, but this is just discussing. no one needs to see this. with all the money they are using with this campaign think how many condoms and educational phamplets they could have given out.
  • schleufer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Why? What the ***** is wrong with these people?

    You know what, I've never had an abortion (I'm a guy) and I shouldn't be subjected to this ***** when I look into the sky.

    Now where's my shotgun? I've got some fundie-huntin' to do.
  • guaigean, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20@CaptainBukko

    The point is, people having an abortion choose to do so, and in many states are shown this kind of literature before having an abortion. The people that this will be shown to have no choice as to whether or not they want to be involved with it, and it is forced upon them. This kind of material would be rated as obscene in a movie, but they are trying to thrust it upon unwilling viewers. The topic of abortion aside, this is an issue of harassing everyone in order to attempt to reach a few. I know what is involved in abortions, and I don't particularly want to see it in the skies above me.

    Why does everyone think it is so ok to force their views upon others? What ever happened to minding your own damned business?
  • FluffyArmada, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18Chewie67, others : Funny how people get all pissed off when there's a boob on tv, but no one does anything to stop a picture of a fetus from being flown over Cleveland... sounds like some people have their priorities seriously screwed up.
  • electromagnetic, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19Won't somebody please think of the children?! Because EW! I personally don't care what an aborted fetus looks like, it's not like you ***** take it home with you. But seriously this ***** has to be illegal, they're going to be showing it to a vast majority of the population who are _under age_ and hopefully will get their asses sued out of existance.

    I'm personally against abortion, it's a personal thing that's why I'd never force anyone to do it. But I'm not ignorant enough to think "oh yes let that 15 year old girl who got raped by her father have a kid so she's emotionally traumatised for the rest of her life" and then god will make everything perfect. I developed this thing called a brain when I was a fetus, apparently the abortionists ***** up on a few people can just got the brains out, because we seriously have some totally labotomised people just puppets for their religion on this planet.
  • jakatak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I don't want my kids seeing a lot of things in this world. What's next? Someone who had their head blown off? (anti war sign) or how about condom companies showing up close VD images.
    if that's the case then show me the mammogram banner flying nice and high over Huntington Beach California.

    I am against abortion and I still think this is unacceptable and should be considered rated "R" for graphic violence. Where is the MPAA when you really need them.
  • EvilDr.X, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13So let's compromise. How about a billboard of George W. Bush as an aborted fetus?
  • badfrog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13 [Simpsons Alien] Abortions for all!
    [crowd] BOO!
    [Simpsons Alien] Ok, Abortions for none!
    [crowd] BOO!
    [Simpsons Alien] Abortions for some, small American flags for others!
    [crowd] YAY!
  • coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"It's a bird. It's a plane. It's a SuperAbortedFetus!"

    I'm going to refrain from actually debating this point due to every sane person in the world recognizing how crazy these ***** are.
  • tokyomonster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Right. I can't prove either way which causes more cases of the "baby blues", as I don't have those numbers, and I'm not going to fudge them to make a point. I will however say that some-time's, couples conceive, may not be able to financially support the child, yet couldn't give the child up for adoption. It's a catch 22. Abortion, while the embryo is in the early stages of development, offers a very viable solution. I, however, am not a fan(as in don't agree) with partial birth abortions.
  • cresswga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Wow - a thread like this is a great way to build up the old ignore list and filter out the crazies
  • bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10If I understand you correctly...You say you're pro-life and you choose to educate people and provide them with the tools and knowledge to make their own choice. I like your thinking.
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -73/+83Can you kill something that is unborn?

    If you cut out a cancerous growth, did you kill the cancer?

    Until a child is born, the mother's body treats it as a parasite.
  • CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16Time to fly some goatse banners over a few christian private schools.
  • p1mpjuice, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12No, those are Christians.
  • deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Why don't they fly a picture of an unwanted, neglected, abused, starving adolescent instead? Isn't that just as bad? The right wing nuts never stop to realize that raising a child for 18 years is extremely expensive and almost impossible for poor people who are barely making enough money to feed themselves.I just don't understand how the right wing can fight welfare, minimum wage increases, affirmative action, and national health care while advocating their pro-life agenda. The hypocrisy is mind boggling. If you want to stop abortion, give people a reason to keep the kids.
  • Dames, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I once went to a fair in Maine called the Common Ground Fair.

    At the entrance to the fair, an anti abortion group had set up a small area alongside the road, and we're simple holding signs and marching around. I simply chuckled at this, and smiled foolheartedly.

    Little did I know that a little while up the road from the picketers, these same people had bigger signs, one with pictures of aborted fetuses, pictures that turned my stomach, and my mother who was driving the car broke down and started crying. These were pictures that were graphic and obscene, pictures that literally can not be described in words.

    This would not have been so bad, but because it was an entrance to a very large fair [slowing traffic to begin with] these people made the situation worse, and forced everyone to look at their "crusade."

    Now I generally consider myself an open minded person, but I think that religion eventually reaches a point where people take it beyond the limit. By all means, these people should have been able to protest abortion, this is what America is about, but by putting pictures of babies all mutilated and forcing everyone to look at them, it's sick, wrong, and nasty.

    My grandmother, my younger brother, [age 10], and my mother all had to look. It ruined our day at the fair. Not only this, but later I went home and did some research. These people don't just put up signs. They go to airports and use the displays, they fly planes over Baseball games, and drive trucks down the highways. I don't know about you, but I honestly think it's wrong on so many levels. Yes you can say abortion is bad, but please don't show me pictures of it. The country is crazy to think that god forbid we show nipples during the Superbowl

    It's like saying “guns are bad!”
    Do you see me showing pictures of explicit gun wounds on tucks, planes, and signs everywhere?

  • badfrog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10And a giant billboard of bare breasts would be considered "obscene" and probably get someone arrested... Sad.
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