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- HalFTW, on 10/12/2007, -5/+96"I love Digg's profanity filter."
Pussy. - BluesX, on 10/12/2007, -31/+91***** the police.
- MasterChi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+54"If you were smart, you would have kept walking......Sometimes you have to know when someone has authority over you."
Wow. If you are living in America right now I must ask you to leave because you are not Patriotic nor an American to say that we should just roll over and get all our rights stomped on willingly. While your busy packing and leaving this country give me all your money and your property or else i will beat you up.....I am bigger and stronger then you so i have authority over you now shutup and just give me everything you own. - tmyprod, on 10/12/2007, -3/+54Quick, call David Caruso!
Seriously though, that really sucks. As someone in a similar profession (videographer) I deal with ***** like that, but never to that extreme. I hope he gets every penny he sues for. - mv10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+44Give a guy a badge and suddenly he thinks he is king of the effin world.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+50"One of the cops told me to keep walking because this was a "private matter".
I said that I will not keep walking because this is a "public street"."
protip: being an ***** to an ***** doesn't usually end well - eriksanerd, on 10/12/2007, -6/+42Blocked for having a name referring to Savage and his idiotic radio show.
The comment didn't help much either. - quomen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38http://www.flexyourrights.org/frequently_asked_questions
- Poon007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32More ***** cops. Public street, public photography!
- jackmaninov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29It's no excuse for a group of 5 officers to beat him up though. Cops are supposed to be better trained than this...
- Nerys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+281disobeying an officer
EXCUSE ME ??? disobeying an officer is NOT ILLEGAL if the order is not lawful. They can not simply "tell you" to move along. if he was 20 yards (60 ft) he was WELL OUTSIDE of "obstruction"
they had NO business telling him to move along and he had EVERY right to tell them to blow off. (assuming the particulars in his story are accurate)
If you in a crime scene they can order you away. if your too close to an incident they can order you away. if your on private property they can order you away. if your were your not supposed to be (no stopping standing area) they can order you away othewise they should have just sucked it up and went on with there business. They do NOT have the authority to simply ORDER someone around because they feel like it. - brutalentropy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29Wow, about as intelligent as your namesake. Good job. Savage is one of the most retarded people on the radio.
- rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26You actually believe that taking pictures should be illegal?
Enjoy your Facism! - aburd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32I've got a feeling there is more to this story than what he is presenting.
- Nerys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24what do you mean the man should have obeyed the police ?? who the hell are they to give me orders. I NEVER follow any order by a police officer unless he has the LEGAL right to compel me. if your on a public street and NOT interfering then the cop can go shove off.
The citizen is under NO conditions compelled to respond "just" because a police officer says so.
They are not there to give orders they are there to uphold the law. Period nothing more.
I learned the hard way cops are NOT to be trusted. Respected off course obeyed when the order is lawful absolutely trusted and "obeyed" otherwise - never. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Well Bush graduated from Yale and makes many grammatical errors. Welcome to America, your education level does not determine your ability to write.
- ericpuidokas, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33If journalists gave in to every cop's often ridiculous, unconstitutional demands, we wouldn't have any news. Vast amounts of corruption would occur unchecked. That being said, even though the cops may have lied, I'm betting that this storyteller wasn't entirely truthful in his version either.
- drunkentoad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22There are cops everywhere in the "civilized" world that pull this kind of ***** and get away with it. I hope these ones get drilled hard. Unfortunately they will always protect their own and the little man almost always ends up getting screwed.
- Eallan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Of course not all cops are bad. The good ones don't get cried about because they're doing their jobs. On a daily basis most people deal with the *****, there are a lot of them.
Can't hate people for relying on first hand experience.
When people steal my crap the cops have never succeeded in doing anything about it. - airencracken, on 10/12/2007, -10/+29I've had pigs get pissed at me for taking pictures of them before, but they didn't say/do anything they just scowled at me. I had to take a picture though, the fat ass pigs were riding Segways. My tax dollars at work.
- qsqueeq, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Send Miami Dade Police an email: sodinfo@mdpd.com, nodinfo@mdpd.com, psinfo@mdpd.com. Also remember it only takes a high school diploma or GED to become a police officer. What do you expect?
- JonHs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19"Copwatch (also Cop Watch) is a network of United States and Canadian volunteer organizations that "police the police". Copwatch groups usually engage in monitoring of the police, videotaping police activity, educating the public about police misconduct, and advocating for more accountable law enforcement practices."
Documentary:
http://www.jonhs.net/freemovies/copwatch.htm - JacNet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_slang_specific_to_thread-based_communication
TTIUWP
"this thread is useless without pictures"
Don't feel bad, i didn't know it either. - MrWashy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17@solarwinds: Taking pics of public servants in public doing their public job isn't instigation. It's called the 1st Amendment. Besides, does taking some picture equalt having 5 steroid brained idiots beat you up? Noooo...
- L0phtpDK, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18WTF?
- nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Wanna know something cool? Everything you say and what the officers say is recorded. If he sues them... and it hits the 'net, we'll know with a relative certainty what really happened. My bet is they will settle out of court though -- for that exact reason (assuming the officers did do wrong).
The 'everything you say can and will be used against you' isn't just a joke. They get to use it in court because it's, more frequently than not, recorded. This is why it's /very/ important to remain calm and professional.
Cops can also lie... the VERY first thing you need to say to a cop when you get arrested "I'd like to speak to an attorney". Some will say that if you do that then they can not help you... do /not/ trust them in those situations. If it appears a cop has /any/ ill will towards you -- get an attorney and don't say another word. If, however, it's to someone else's crime or something that appears to not endager you (or something that can be manipulated to look like you did something wrong) -- then you may just want to full cooprerate. If you get too nervous, ask for a lawyer. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18"Eric, it looks like our vic took some pictures, and then someone, took his life."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! - BLish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16This exact thing happened to me this past Saturday night in Tampa. well not exactly.. but i will explain. I'm a pro photographer that works for the media including huge agencies such as Getty Images (mainstream) and Splash Media (paparazzi style). And I've had my photographs published all over the world.
This past Saturday night there was a raid at a club i was shooting for ... and it was undercover cops busting underage drinkers. At first I didn't understand what was going on, then put 2 and 2 together quite quickly.
I then stood outside on the sidewalk about 200 feet back from the "undercovers" (they were dressed in plain clothes), and proceeded to photograph them. I was snapping away as fast as my camera would allow, and one police officer came up to me and told me I was not allowed to photograph them as they were undercover. I told him that actually he was incorrect, because we were in a public area (public road, and public sidewalk), I was allowed to photograph anything in public. He basically threatened to arrest me if I kept photographing, and I told him that if he wanted to test that theory, I had someone across the road video taping the entire incident and I'd be willing to test that theory ... all the while I was on the phone dialing my lawyer.. just in case.
This all happened within a 3 minute time period... as I truly did not want to go to jail, but the police officer (in plain clothes) did walk away once i said they were being video taped. I also did quit taking photographs from so close.. i just went back across the road and used my telephoto lens.
To make a long story short.. i hate cops that hide behind their badges ... and my old man is a police chief... truly.. i hate him too.
Oh, and i will be publishing the photos of the undercover cops. He can kiss my ass after being such a dick.
The Internet is a powerful tool. - AeonTorpor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Digg should have a section for Florida.
- 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15> arcele wrote: "If this guy hadn't started trouble with the police in the first place this never would have happened."
In every discussion like this, why is there always at least one ***** who thinks we should willingly send our rights packing just because someone in "authority" tells us to do so?
Arcele, I'm not one of those people who thinks all cops are bad. The truth is that I think most of them try to do their jobs as well, as fairly and as honestly as they know how. But these Miami-Dade officers are in obvious need of an badge-and-gun-ectomy. If what we are reading is even close to the truth then by definition what those officers were doing on a public street couldn't be a private matter. And in no way was the photographer endangering himself, the officers, the suspect, or anyone else. These cops are simply thugs. Nothing more and nothing less. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Until juries start standing up for the injured, it's just going to keep happening. As long as cops keep getting acquitted of criminal charges when they use excessive force, it's going to keep happening.
I think sometimes people on the jury are afraid to convict, even if they think they're guilty. But those of us on juries have to make a stand when the facts justify the charges.
Some of my best friends are cops...I have a very cordial relationship with them being on the fire department. Given that friendly perspective, I can say most of them do a fantastic job. But there are some people in law enforcement who are in the wrong line of work. Others have been on the street too long and need a break. But positively if we don't put real safeguards on excessive force, then the only difference between the US and a police state will be the perception. I think it's already that way in a lot of places. We used to be able to count on the courts for protection, but that's been stripped away. Anthony Scalia says we can count on better police officer training to protect us. I don't share his optimism. There's nothing except your guts and determination between what we are today and a country where freedom is just a word in the dictionary. - Sun.Surfin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"All Animals Are Equal, But Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others."
- scrubadub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Yeah! if you can't spell you should be beat up by the police
- sunsetprojects, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@ arcele
I don't care what the cops were doing they have no right to attack anyone unless their lives are in danger. If it was a private matter then why was it on PUBLIC STREET. SORRY LAST TIME I CHECKED THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY - aquadoctorbob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@berkoeric
Proofread is one word. - maabus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Let's see those pictures! Cops riding segways--sounds precious.
- demonotaku, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I would have to agree with you on that. I'm sure that some stuff went down but I doubt he's telling us everything. And his Avatar on the message boards doesn't help with the credibility either.
- Nerys, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Now keep in mind for the MOMENT I am assuming the details of his story are accurate. I do not care if its 1 cop or 5 cops if he was 60 feet away those cops had NO business giving him ANY orders. If you do not like being "watched" then do NOT be a public figure especially a cop. When your on duty you on MY WATCH.
Somehow if your dad is a good cop (and odds are he is a good cop most are) he would have been annoyed and NOTHING MORE by a photographer 60ft away taking pictures of him.
A police officer does NOT have carte blanc authority to give any order he or she desires. If your not breaking the law and NOT in the way you are in NO WAY obligated to follow a police officers orders short of not following those orders resulting in breaking the law (example if they say turn here for a D-Tour NOT following that order would result un a safety and or regulatory issue)
Thats it. the officers authority to dictate orders to me ENDS THERE.
AGAIN all this is based on him being 60ft away (MORE than far enough to not even slightly be considered obstruction) SO FAR based on the story I have read it seems they just did not want him taking pictures and decided to teach him a lesson for LAWFULLY disobeying there unlawful order.
CLEARLY whoever they were questioning was not THAT IMPORTANT since they all LEFT him to come beat up the camera guy.
I once had a copy tell me to stop video taping them taking down a guy who hung himself. they were ACROSS a canal I was in my back yard. I knew I did not have to stop but I did anyway and proceeded to record it with my 10x zoom from inside the house and smiled at the officer when he glared at me :-) When he first came up to me (40 ft across the canal up to me at least) he said what are you doing. I turned the camera plainly visible sideways to him and said "huh ? what does it look like I am doing.?" (not with an attitude more with a matter of factly duh kind of demeanor at this time I was still naive enough to intrinsically trust cops)
That was the last time I will ever voluntarily follow an unlawful order if I do not desire too. - qsqueeq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@alex.will
True, however i checked the Miami Dade requirements through the online job postings. They only require you have a high school diploma, and are able to see.
From http://www.miamidade.gov/jobs/job_details.asp?id=198043
"For Non-Certified Police Officers: High school diploma or GED. Must be 18 years of age at time of application. Minimum age of 19 years of age at the time of graduation from the police academy."
Also, I just received this email reply. Lots like the Miami Herald is looking into this.
"Thanks for passing this along. Are you the photog? If so, how can we contact you?"
Evan S. Benn, Staff Writer
The Miami Herald
1 Herald Plaza
Miami, FL 33132
305-376-3439 (office)
954-422-2644 (cell)
305-376-5287 (fax)
ebenn@miamiherald.com - MrWashy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Idiot + internet = GeorgeFord
- Negyxo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7HMDYWTTCBSLOATOWYRJDAFMOCAHH:
"Hey man do you want to train chest, back, shoulders, legs or arms today, or would you rather just do a few minutes of cardio and head home?" - DSGalvin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11@aburd
I agree, though it is still a valid representation of the times we live in.
Also, it seems that the police across the U.S. are getting a little trigger happy when it comes to the taser gun....I mean seriously, how many times have we heard of some non-resistant citizen being tasered for merely asking what they were doing wrong, or just using practicing first amendment rights gods sake.
It just pisses me off to see think of some Toby Keith looking bastard telling me that he will taser me if i don't stop practicing my first amendment rights. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I used to work as a newspaper photographer in college, we were always told to stand our ground against the police, as long as we were in a public area, you were allowed to take pictures as long as you identified yourself as a journalist. It's sad to see that freedom of the press/speech is being infringed upon like this... - Homet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9For those of you who said that the photographer should have moved along...
Maybe that would have been the best course of action considering that he did get beat up for not ignoring them, but is this right? Is it really freedom of the press. If every journalist simply moved along would any sort of brutality ever be recorded and written about. For God's sake they smashed his head against the pavement, simply for standing across the street, watching what they were doing and taking pictures. I mean how free are we really.
For those of you that say that the reporter is hiding something, not a good reporter, etc....
Let me explain something about cognitive dissonance. Basically, what that means is that probably (I don't know for sure) you have a certain view point about this country and about the police (i.e. if someone gets slammed by the police there is probably a legitimate reason) which is being challenged by a report that says other wise. These are two conflicting views that simply cannot stand together in the mind. You have two options in handing these two bits of information. 1) Change your original viewpoint. 2) Ignore, misinterpret, or deny the new viewpoint. One of the best ways to do the latter is through character assassination. Thus, the rationalization that the reporter is a bad reporter, is lying, etc. is simply the minds protection against cognitive dissonance. The fact that he misspells in his story has more to do with the fact that he is posting on a message board, is probably very busy or hell he might just be a bad speller, but it has nothing to do with the validity of his story.
But here is the fact of the matter based on numerous well-known pieces of evidence. America is becoming more and more a fascist nation. Not quite there yet but well on its way. Police brutality is just one piece of evidence. Hyped up sentencing (as numerous recent articles on digg have shown) torture, extraordinary rendition, war on drugs, secret wiretapping, the media consolidation by the MSM, all of these are evidence of growing fascism. I'm sorry that it hurts to be faced with these facts. But please be honest with yourself. Attacking the messenger (as I'm sure I will be) is not a valid argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance - kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The government forgets that we own it. Well, corporations own the government for now but that could change at any given time.
I'd love to know what part of government of, by and for the people the politicians don't understand. - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12There were many cops in Chinatown, NYC today.
I guess someone told them it was a celebration of the 'Year of the PIG!' - wiremonkeymommy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Let's assume that the author's description is true; he had every right to photograph the police, it's called "journalism" and "First Amendment rights", there should be nothing "private" about the application of the law.
Further, and more unfortunately, this is a systemic problem within law enforcement, this story isn't all that uncommon, so even if this particular incident is not true, the subject matter isn't without copious precedent. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Comin' straight from the underground.
- MacBastard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9He only graduated from Yale because he's a legacy. Hell, W only got into Yale because he was a legacy. He wasn't known for being the sharpest pencil in the box even before he went to college.
The Bastard - MrSpontaneous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6At my school the campus security guards ride Segways... its a private university, though, so instead of taxpayer dollars going towards them, the segways are bought with my tuition money.
Joy. -
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