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Photo of The Day: Aerial Shot of Blast That Killed 400 People In Iraq

thefirstpost.co.uk — Five trucks exploded killing 400 in the northern Iraqi towns on August 17, 2007. This aerial shot looks at the aftermath of the tragedy.

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  • apexim, on 11/06/2007, -62/+13Impeach war criminals Bush Cheney and elect Ron Paul to restore the Constitution
    • RuffRidr, on 10/10/2007, -6/+27That's great. If Ron Paul is elected how will he resolve this situation? I realize he will pull Americans out of Iraq. But I really doubt the sectarian violence, and in this case plain old genocide, is going to stop. Are we as a nation just going to turn our back and pretend that nothing is happening?
      • obliviousfool, on 10/10/2007, -11/+9Us being there doesn't seem to be preventing them from killing each other. What's your plan for us to force peace upon them?
      • Rahodeb, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4Yes, we will turn our backs and let them solve their own problems.
        • donwilson2, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Sounds like ignoring genocide like Darfur.
          • diggdong, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Nope, that's the China game. Don't forget to charge your card up at Walmart.
      • 40hands, on 10/10/2007, -8/+6how much violence are we turning our back to already? don' t tell me Iraq is different....
        • LucidHawk, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Normally anti-war comments get +diggs , everyone change their mind? ***** quacks.. If the US leaves the fighting will more than likely not get any worse and it might get better, because they will be willing to make compromises on the land. The only thing keeping the areas together is the US and the trained puppets.
      • elnerdo, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2Yep, that's what we're going to do.

        Seeing as we've been there for several years now, and our presence hasn't helped at all, I think that that would be a pretty good plan.
        • noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5What on earth made you think this wold be something quick and easy? Look how long it took to stabilise America and cement the fact that we were a free nation. Iraq will take the same effort and dedication.
          • elnerdo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Interestingly, America formed because we KICKED THE OTHER COUNTRIES OUT.

            No other nation came and 'helped liberate us'
        • CatalystGhost, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4"Look how long it took to stabilise America and cement the fact that we were a free nation."

          Difference was: we wanted to be a nation that was unified. They don't.
      • CatalystGhost, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3"Are we as a nation just going to turn our back and pretend that nothing is happening?"

        We are in Darfur...
      • nemodomi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1How about we worry about cleaning up our own goddamn backyard first? It's a friggin' mess, thanks in great part to this insane criminal INVASION of Iraq.
      • diablo75, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Our presence is what is causing the majority of the violence. We play favorites with one of three factions to aggravate all of them; divide and conquer their country for our own gain. Why do you think this war is called an Occupation? This is more like old fashioned English colonialism dressed up to be an idealogical "war".
    • maz2331, on 10/10/2007, -9/+8An attack on the Yazidi sect... weren't they the ones that dragged the 17 year old girl out of her house and stoned her to death in the street?

      I say let 'em all kill each other.
    • Pritchard, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Hello. I am a Ron Paul supporter, but ***** you. Did Bush and Cheney set off the bombs? What's up with this random Ron Paul spam in completely irrelevant stories? Here's something, if you want to support Ron Paul, you care enough about him to not give him a bad name on the net. You don't care though. Troll.
  • luke123, on 10/10/2007, -3/+36Just plain evil, and demented
    • chucksmooth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10and determined, which is the scary part
    • parasitewasp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I guess next time those people will do what the terrorists want them to do.
      Evil is the word but effective.
    • toetagger, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Now pan out... show a destroyed country and change the headline to:
      Photo of where invasion occurred that killed 300,000 Iraqis and 4,000 Americans.
      • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1you're forgetting the suppression by the US military...

        We see what they want us to see
    • Frnnkdlxx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6But... But General Patraeus said...
  • urbannomad23, on 10/10/2007, -15/+25YIKES! i hope everyone can pray for all the innocent lives lost in iraq, in this disgusting war.
    • homerj14, on 10/10/2007, -18/+11if sadaam were still in power this wouldnt of happened
    • AlexGrant, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20Or.. do something constructive instead of praying? It is a lot more effort though you're right.
    • clark24, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Yay for religion!!

      Each day, it becomes more and more obvious why Saddam ran the country the way he did.
      • toetagger, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Yay for Imperialism! We killed 300,000 top that!
        • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I dugg for your sarcasm (it was sarcasm wasn't it?)
    • tizz66, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5Well Dubya said God told him to do it. If he's right, I think God is probably giving the middle finger to your prayers.
    • ziffel, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6And what exactly is prayer supposed to do? Who are we supposed to pray to?
      • mrDug, on 10/10/2007, -9/+0Well if you went to church you would know you ignorant *****. Besides he said "pray for all the innocent lives lost"... LOST being the key word. Nothing can help the dead other than prayer... and again you would need to go to church to understand that.
        • Bobbler, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Yeah, prayer does a world of good. Its an crutch for people who don't believe in themselves so put their faith in a story book written by a bunch of nutcases.
          More people have died in the name of religion or the various gods that are covered by it than any other thing on this planet. Why go to church and help support the single biggest killer that this planet has ever known?

        • ziffel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Again, MrDug, I have to ask ... who's church? yours? Pray to who's god? yours? There are thousands of gods to choose from. Why am I to believe that praying for the dead will help them? You didn't really clarify anything. Like many religious folks, you can only spout useless ad homs and baseless assertions.
      • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1pray/hope...

        this isn't the time to debate semantics..
  • chase001, on 10/10/2007, -20/+24Bush's manly, manly surge looks to be working.
    • parasitewasp, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6It is working but forcing the terrorists to do their evil outside Baghdad, hopefully it gives the Iraqi gov time to get their ***** together.
      • vertinox, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Or do you mean, the smart insurgents are the ones working with us and are in government, the police, and the Iraqi military?
    • Dgen_X, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2well according to a Fox news headline...the insurgent terrorists are "surge-weary"
      • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1when you're surging all day it can take it out of you
  • SwissCamel, on 10/10/2007, -13/+1KABLAMO! amirite?!
  • irisadler, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7the picture is powerful and it doesn't even tell the story! Just have to see the video reports (http://tinyurl.com/2npe3j) and get a feel of what what Iraq is going to look like for 20 years now!! Bush will be gone in a year but we'll be left with the problem!!!
  • PatNolan, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3At least it didn't do any damage.
  • wisam, on 10/10/2007, -7/+44Although unrelated, this pic is hilarious
    http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/features/2005/07/images/070626picoftheday.jpg
    • MasterThief117, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11If I owned that lot, I would call it a maze and sell tickets.
    • Pilot85, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9hoo boy, thats one pissed off farmer.
    • parasitewasp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I bet the farmer cried when he saw this......lots of work and money for nothing.
    • Phyter, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I'm at a loss to see how "hilarity" ties in to this tragedy.
      • ShinRaTDR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Hence the "unrelated" comment
      • UnstableMind, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If you notice, it's another "Pic of the day" from "The First Post". I hate to point out the obvious...
  • 10goto10, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Yeah, that'll restore peace.
  • Obscenewords, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1The Six Months That Changed the World
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7176252790336734853
  • funkmasheen, on 10/10/2007, -9/+17I'd like to point out that it was Muslim terrorists who did this. No one forced them to. They chose to bomb.
    • there, on 10/10/2007, -5/+21And I would like to point out it was American tough guys who chose to unilaterally and illegally invade a sovereign nation in the first place. No one forced them to. They chose to bomb.
      • MackDiesel2010, on 10/10/2007, -11/+3I find it ironic that the only reason the U.S. is still in Iraq is the insurgents. But go ahead and blame America.
        • ziffel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10The only reason there are insurgents is because the U.S. invaded them unprovoked and without due cause. But yeah, go ahead and blame anyone else you choose. Please look up the definition of the word "insurgent" for a clue.
          • mtrip, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2So you're incapable of criticizing these monsters, so much is your hate for America? You can't see that the responsibility for this lies with the bombers themselves, not with how their parents treated them, not with how America invaded, but with their decision to kill others for not being in the same sect as them, day after day, kidnapping and torture, mass graves, all of that and you can't point not one finger their way?
        • ShinRaTDR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1The only reason the US is in Iraq is because it put itself there. Your comment was so stupid on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.
    • robdazomba, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Yep, "terrorists." That buzzword feels so good, doesn't it? It relieves you from any nuanced thinking about this mess. They're just BAD GUYS (tm) and therefore must be destroyed (here's the part where you hold your He-Man sword over your head and a ray of sunlight beams down on your righteous ass.) Never mind that many of the people committing these acts are retaliating for the collateral damage (i.e., their families and friends) that we felt was justified to get Saddam Hussein. No, they're just demonic, hateful terrorists. Brr... scary, huh? Oooohh... I bet there's one hiding under your bed right now.
      • mtrip, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Uh, how is this retaliation, what did those 400 Iraqi's have to do with America's action?
    • UnstableMind, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I thought that warrantless wiretaps and other diminished civil liberties atrocities is supposed to prevent this sort of stuff from happening?
  • btltez, on 10/10/2007, -8/+13There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people
    -- Howard Zinn
    especially the American Flag.
    • rlh1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11What flag would that be?
      I don't think that it was Americans who killed these people.
      • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not even the flag of war (under which both sides fight... one of them by choice, the other because their homeland is being invaded)
    • mtrip, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2rlh1, you're not allowed to make that observation. Everything ever is America's fault, there are no bad people outside of America, anywhere. Didn't you get the liberal talking points memo?
      I used to be a liberal. Digg cured me of that right quick.
  • shablog, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1This should be in Digg's picture section.
  • soccerman90, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3Iraq is hopeless. There is nothing anyone can do to stop this crap.
  • there, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6Should be interesting to see how the Bush propaganda machine is going to push "the surge is working" in September (more lies).
  • SmilinBob, on 10/10/2007, -12/+11so...let me guess...

    the U.S. is responsible.

    darn you bush, darn you, you evil man.
    i wonder if this was planned on the same day that he planned the 911 plane crashes?
    i bet it was. he is SOO evil.
    • LaughingMan11, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7It is not necessary to equate acknowledgment of the horror of the war in Iraq with a political statement, yet you assume that even mentioning that 400 lives were snuffed out today is a political attack on Bush.

      Rather than using 9/11 as you have, to insult our intelligence and insinuate that we're all conspiracy theorists with a grudge against Bush, I will remind people of this fact :

      When 9/11 happened, or when a similar national tragedy like the Virginia Tech school shootings happened, the country as a whole felt vulnerable, and we stricken with a a deep sadness. Over time, the majority of us have found some way to cope, though, and we were able to pass back into our normal lives from these moments of terror.

      In Iraq, the populace faces the kind of mayhem of those national tragedies on a daily basis, and unlike in the US, where we were given the luxury of the events passing into memory, that type of event occurs every week and every day.

      I think we need to remember this, before we dismiss any reporting of tragedy in Iraq as political... beneath all of that, at the core of the story, is a message of human beings somewhere in the world feeling vulnerable, feeling saddened by the carnage around them, something that we must all relate to.
      • there, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What's even more important is that the suffering be stopped A good person doesn't just pretend he cares by pausing briefly during some melancholy moment then go back to work and pretend nothing is going on until the next bomb goes off or cruise missile launched.

        Only by changing the direction of a failed middle east foreign policy can we hope to change the current situation in the middle east.
  • savagegenius, on 10/10/2007, -7/+0You know your headline doesn't mesh with the description. Inaccurate.

    "By any means necessary," is not a method for getting diggs.
  • marvin69, on 11/06/2007, -8/+12This war just pushed the time table forward for a civil war and we are a stabilizing force.
    When Saddam would have died his sons and religious leaders would cause so much carnage it would make the current total dead seem tame.
    • vertinox, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Maybe, but at least it wouldn't be us over there dying for some one elses problem.
    • toetagger, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Are you out of your ***** mind?
      • TheCaterpillar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Dear Toetagger,
        Turn your brain on.
        Sincerely,
        TheCaterpillar
  • landmonster, on 10/10/2007, -14/+3Hey, if you live in a warzone these things will happen.
    It's like people who live in Africa complaining about famine. YOU LIVE IN AFRICA! If you don't want to suffer famine simply move to a country with better food stocks.
    • soccerman90, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Are you an idiot? Im going to assume you are from that comment. If you are dirt poor, then you cant move, because YOU DONT HAVE ANY MONEY. How is someone from southern africa supposed to just move to another continent? Its just not possible without having money in the first place
    • ziffel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7A comment fit for Youtube.
  • hotjoe1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2This shouldn't be characterized as a "tragedy." This was mass murder.
    • EuphopiaB, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I didn't realize they were mutually exclusive.
    • toetagger, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Amateurs... US killed 300,000+
  • JORTZ12, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2Most of the people on Digg don't know anything about the Iraq war other than what they read off Daily Kos, Raw Story, and Crooks and Liars.



    • soccerman90, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3enlighten us then.
    • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1well it's difficult when information is so suppressed you can't even report on the coffins returning by the hundreds filled with pieces of dead americans
  • johnn11238, on 10/10/2007, -5/+14Congratulations, Iraq! You are now FREE. Free to slaughter each other by the Tens of Thousands, like you've been chomping at the bit to do for 100 years!!!! Don't forget to thank your Uncle George for his brilliant foreign policy!
  • fallengod1, on 11/06/2007, -12/+3I wish Those 400 people who died were all USA soldiers that have blood on their hand.

    why those people target civilens anyways......... if they limit their attacks on just the soldiers ..... I would call the people behine the attacks a freedom fighter.
    • soccerman90, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3its not the soldiers fault, its the government. The soldiers dont go around killing innocent people for the fun of it. Yes there are soem deranged individuals who do, but they dont represent the whole army. The blame lies with the government
    • parasitewasp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I don't believe more people didn't dig this ***** down, How about you wish that this didn't happen to anyone ever.
  • coldskool, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4***** *****... cant even tell anything happened..
  • hbbengal, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I find it odd that it looks as if nothing was burned or scorched. Also no telltale craters. Maybe they cleaned up really fast?
    • UnstableMind, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Or, everything there is made mostly of mud, dirt, and clay...
  • replikhant, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Saddam was an evil dictator, I agree. But due to his cruelty and iron fist he was able to control a society that had and has been divided by hatred for hundreds of years. Maybe thousands. There has never been such a high death toll in Iraq as now. Freedoom.
    • EuphopiaB, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Death toll by simply numbers? Well there has never been a world population as large as now. Death toll per capita? I would challenge that it has historically been much worse.
    • geekee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2"There has never been such a high death toll in Iraq as now. "

      Saddam killed about 1 million of his own people, you idiot.
  • sgb162, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Well, theres still a lot of people walking around.

    At least they didn't kill all of them.
  • Homerr, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4B..b..b..but... Ron Paul!
    • vertinox, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Would have brought the troops home.
    • dorkino, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Of course he would. Ron Paul can do anything. Anything at all.

      /zombocom
    • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1if anyone was really serious we'd elect kucinich
    • CZzyzx41, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ron Paul would bring our troops home. Then, he'd tell them they could have all the weapons they wanted in or out of their homes. He'd tell their daughters that they couldn't get abortions and if the wives contracted any sort of disease, he'd tell them that while stem cell research might help find a cure, that cure won't be found on his watch. Then he'd tell their gay brothers that there's no chance in hell they're getting equal rights and certainly there will never be legal gay marriage as long as he's in office. Oh that and he'd replace all of our wildlife not yet named national parks into shopping malls, business districts, gas stations and centers of industrial commerce. Where will we get the energy? Why does Ron Paul care? Where will the sludge go? Well most of the planet's surface is covered by water right? Why not just dump it in there? What about the lack of trees and extra pollution raising worldwide temperatures? Ahhh let my successors worry about that. To hell with Ron Paul. The man is a conservative isolationist monkey.
  • scabbers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I can't wait to hear what this General Petraeus has to say about it.
    • diggdong, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I just hope the que cards that are written for him are legible.
  • EuphopiaB, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4@ johnn11238, fallengod1, there
    This isn't on Bush's shoulders. This is an age-old war of family feuds and religious conflict. I can't stand listening to these ignorant fools who spout like before GWB they were living in peace. There has always been war, hatred, and death in this region, and yes there still is. To say that Bush has caused more is similarly fallacious as no one knows the alternate courses history could have taken. America did not cause this hatred, we merely are trying to get in the way of an ancient war.
    • FatalClaws, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2America caused the problem by removing Saddam. A country such as Iraq needs a dictator to keep control. You removed the dictator and allowed the chaos to come to the surface. Congratulations, every drop of blood spilled in Iraq is on your hands if you supported this war and you will have to live with it for the rest of your pathetic life.
    • vertinox, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2What? When you occupy a country, you got to have some type of responsibility for what goes on. Its like a cop who watches some guy beat up another guy without lifting a finger.
    • there, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2"There has always been war, hatred, and death in this region,"

      Always? What a bigoted (and inaccurate) statement. Shows where your mind is at. While I'll grant you the region has fallen behind the last few hundred years, the region is known as the cradle of civilization for a reason you know. While your ancestors were still running around f~cking sheep and living in caves, they were building cities thousands of years beforehand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia

      "To say that Bush has caused more is similarly fallacious as no one knows the alternate courses history could have taken. America did not cause this hatred, we merely are trying to get in the way of an ancient war."

      While true we cannot know "alternate history" we can extrapolate with a high degree of confidence that Iraqis would have suffered less under Saddam. Saddam was nowhere as near efficient at killing Iraqis as the US is... nor was Saddam responsible for triggering a vicious sectarian civil war.
    • acudoc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"America did not cause this hatred, we merely are trying to get in the way of an ancient war."

      Why?
  • kageki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I don't think this is the whole picture of the damage...

    http://judicial-inc.biz/8_15_at_least_175_killed.htm
    • xadhominemx, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0You are an idiot if you believe that *****.

  • Orbiter9211, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12British special forces caught dressed as Arab 'terrorists'

    http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556

    The purpose of IRAQ war is to stay there & make bases. Sheeps
    • mictester, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1No. The purpose of the "war" is to fill American fuel tanks with cheap or even free fuel. The American economy is dead without cheap fuel, so you are going to indulge in ever more ridiculous "wars" to keep yourselves going.

      The next "terrorists" will be from either Venezuela or Nigeria!
      • lifeandtimes, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I hope the "cheap" gas prices get here soon, because I've been waiting since 2003.
      • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1oh sorry.. did you think "cheap gas" meant for you?
      • RationalXubrnce, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1 If that was the purpose then fuel would be cheap now wouldn't it. Yet we don't see that, what we see is the US building bases, inflaming the Arab world and getting ready to go to war with Iran. Besides we won't need to control their oil, we'll control thier central bank which is even better.
    • H0tKarl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Don't forget the mooses, an geeses.
  • Laterali, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Wow. I didn't hear about this on any major news outlets. They must have been occupied with more important things like Lindsey Lohan or something.
  • ycomp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Saddam killed Kurds in the 80s! Invasion of Iraq was in 2003... I don't know about you but I see some discrepancy there...
    • UnstableMind, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Don't forget he got those weapons and money that he used on his people from us...er, the administration of the time with corporate interests for oil.
  • Emused, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Black Jack Pershing we need you.
  • floatingpoints, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Good aim/placement!
  • toetagger, on 11/06/2007, -5/+5Amateurs... we killed 300,000+ and ***** up the whole country. Next.
  • UtahApocalyse, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Good to see the surge working.
  • Fragged58, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Yet if we weren't in Iraqi right now this never would've made it on digg. BS.
  • UWake911, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2The rhetoric is that if you have anything to do with supporting the Globalisation of Iraq, then expect to be blown up. To survive, avoid anything that looks successful or prosperous. barter food, not goto markets, etc. Don't buy from shops. The killings will stop when the Globalists get out of Iraq.
    • there, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2That's exactly why this civil war broke out. Anyone remotely viewed as collaborating with the enemy (anything remotely western or prosperous) is a target for execution.

      Some people think because I argue that America should leave the region that I'm a traitor or anti-American. Far from... I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in Iraq over America. The thing is though we have to leave because anything we do there will be viewed with suspicion since we are (accurately) considered invaders and foreign occupiers.

      It was a terrible decision to invade and both Americans and Iraqis will continue to pay the political consequences of that decision until we leave and things get a chance to heal on their own. (will take a generation or two for it to happen... exactly like in Vietnam or any other war for that matter) Staying there only keeps the wound open and serves no one except Bush's political agenda.
  • TheCaterpillar, on 11/06/2007, -1/+6I know this is totally not PC, but seriously, what is the ***** deal with Islam.
    And even though this is a case of Muslims killing Muslims, somehow people are blaming this on Bush.
    • rabidjester, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2These weren't Muslims, they were Yazidi. They're pretty much considered heretics by christians and muslims, I can't remember why exactly. I'd like to add that AQ in Iraq/Saudis are total *****.
      • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1why? because both christians and muslims are driven by dogma and not reason...
    • there, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1"I know this is totally not PC, but seriously, what is the ***** deal with Islam."

      You're right.Your statements aren't " PC"... they are outright bigoted by definition (and thus why sensible people do not over generalize that Iraq's problems are only relating to Islam).

      "even though this is a case of Muslims killing Muslims, somehow people are blaming this on Bush. "

      Well... if Bush hadn't decided to invade... it seems highly unlikely those people would have died. This conflict was clearly triggered by his decision to occupy Iraq right? There were few (if any)active terrorists in Iraq prior to his invasion right? Where do you find the difficulty understanding why people blame Bush?

      Bush's tactics on the alleged "war on terror" has only lead to the creation of more terrorists and less stability. (in other words he's useless as President and commander-and-chief and those that blindly supported him even more ignorant)
    • mtrip, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Anybody who can't see that Islam is inherently violent, due to the Koran and its teaching, must be ***** blind. It's a filthy religion that enslaves its women.
      • there, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2 If more Christians and Jews practiced their faith to the tee...they too would end up with plenty more abortion bombers and Yigal Amirs. Religion in general is the problem not specifically Islam.
    • TheCaterpillar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"Well... if Bush hadn't decided to invade... it seems highly unlikely those people would have died." True, but it still doesn't make any sense. Just because Iraq was invaded it hardly follows that is is necessary that some Iraqis start murdering people for religious reasons. Your argument is similar to an abusive husband saying, "see what you made me do" as he beats his wife. As far as Islam goes I think it is reasonable to say that it is a violent religion, and there is plenty of evidence for that. Perhaps you should read this article that was previously posted on digg: http://www.slate.com/id/2171371/ . There is no Jihad in any other religion that I have heard of. I'm not saying that no other faith has committed horrible acts in the name of religion, but in the current era there has been no religion that has caused as much violence as Islam. I won't even get into Islams blatant and unrepenting sexism. Sorry, I'm not going to pretend Islam is just rainbows and kittens for fear of offending anyone.
      • there, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm arguing in pragmatic realities. If Bush doesn't invade, Iraq doesn't become a hotbed for terrorist growth. Look at the consequences of the Israeli occupation of Palestine over the last sixty years to understand how long this will continue if we stay. To us, its "over there", to them its their homes and they are defending them.

        "'m not going to pretend Islam is just rainbows and kittens for fear of offending anyone."

        I said no such thing. In fact I'm an atheist that is generally disgusted by religion (although I tolerate it). However I'm not going to pick only on the Muslim quacks when clearly their are christian and jewish nut cases as well. If someone wants to frame this as "religion" versus reason, I'm ok with that... but if someone wants to pretend that one religion is more reasonable than another than... sorry... I'm going to call ***** when I hear it.
      • GoSpinBoy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0.
    • abbamouse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0They were Yezidis. Most conservative Christians consider them to be Satanists. Conservative Muslims feel the same way. They worship the Angel of Light, usually interpreted as Lucifer. So you can see where people might get that impression. Damn I'm glad to be an atheist and not have to worry about all this "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" crap.
  • NavS, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Where's the POI?
  • killq, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1We still have a long ways to go until Haliburton can move in and take control.
  • rmmcclay, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Pottery Barn Rule
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottery_Barn_rule
  • Xill, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No matter who you blame for it, its the consequence of the American invasion and America is responsible for it. The situation there is complex and your damn naive if you think its because Iraquies are just not civilized. The civil war is generated by the Military Industrial Complex.
  • digjam, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I JUST HOPE ALL THOSE BASTARDS WHO KILLED THE INNOCENT GIRL BY STONING HER TO DEATH...DIED IN THIS BOMB BLAST.....
    (YAZIDI SECT)

    NOW REST IN PEACE ASS HOLES WITH 99 VIRGINS WITH NO HOLES IN HELL U PATRIOTS.....
  • CZzyzx41, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So where did the bomb go off? I can't tell.
  • marbashoble, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0A cartoon is drawn or a book is thrown in the toilet and every Muslim is up in arms uniting. The bloodshed of women and children Muslim in the supposed name of Islam is not as bad?
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