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- MercyPolitics, on 04/30/2009, -6/+118This poll reveals that only 25% ( torture never justified) of Americans are aware of the Geneva Convention.
- dtr300, on 04/30/2009, -3/+93"Whatsoever you do to the least of My brethren, you do it to Me."
But then maybe Jesus was just kidding. - StripeyMagee, on 04/30/2009, -3/+88~Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore...................
- labmouse42, on 04/30/2009, -2/+72Religious zealous suck. No matter what the religion.
Suicide bombing hotels in jihad.
Bombing abortion clinics in the name of Christ
They all suck. - ajgasper, on 04/30/2009, -6/+73Unbelievable. I suppose this explains why I feel like I'm always pissing into the wind. Only 25% think torture is never justified? May also explain why I get these feelings of paranoia. Obviously I'm out to lunch, the elevator doesn't go all the way to the top, and I'm only rowing with one oar; but to use an expression of mine as a radioman in Vietnam: "WTF, over". There's no hope. If that few Americans possess the moral depth to realize that torture is wrong, no law whether domestic or foreign will have much relevance. They really do need to convict Bush and Chaney, hang them on the Capital steps, and let their bodies hang until the scavengers eat all the carrion.
- BoulderSue, on 04/30/2009, -4/+68It shows that an awful lot of "Christians" haven't a clue about Christ.
- stonecircle, on 06/11/2009, -3/+56Who would Jesus torture?
- labmouse42, on 04/30/2009, -3/+56Good enough for the Spanish inquisition, good enough for us!
~ Motto of the evangelical protestants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldlyTjXk9A
(Not a rickroll) - labmouse42, on 04/30/2009, -0/+51Thats the flaw with a lot of the radical christian churches. They teach "If your saved, your golden -- you can be a total ass and your taken care of"
Christ did not say to turn the other cheek on Sunday, but waterboard the Arab the other 6 days of the week.
Luckily not all Christians think like that - joshstone100, on 04/30/2009, -3/+52PU poll is right. It stinks to high heaven. Most Americans are so woefully ill informed and apathetic it's likely an accurate representation.
- normlsparky, on 04/30/2009, -3/+51Those numbers certainly don't reflect well upon religion. It would appear that the unaffiliated have a higher morality towards torture than most of the religious groups.
- liiv3354, on 04/30/2009, -1/+43So, it's fine to do wrong, if there's an opportunity to do right. Is that the logic? If that's the case, everything is permissible.
- Phylter, on 05/01/2009, -6/+47Behold, living proof of the moral bankruptcy that is the result of a lifetime of religious indoctrination. As an atheist, I'm used to being reviled by the religious as having "no moral foundation", because fear is not the fountainhead of my behaviour. Atheists know that this is the only existence we have, therefore prize all life. To us, the torture of anyone is indefensible, to them, the end justifies the means. In this case, a totally fictitious end, "will get good information". This vile lie resonates through the centuries, and to the brainwashed cultists, it remains a valid pretext. They ignore the fictitious admonitions of their own god:
The text of St. Matthew runs as follows:
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 3)
Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land. (Verse 4)
Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted. (Verse 5)
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. (Verse 6)
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. (Verse 7)
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Verse 8)
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Verse 9)
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Verse 10)
Most atheists possess these ideas independantly of any brainwashing. Believing that such human concepts as mercy and justice are valid foundations on how to live the only life they have. This survey tells us that christians have no problem throwing these out the window for whatever pretext is transmitted into their undeveloped brains. - stonecircle, on 06/11/2009, -1/+41But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more. ~ John Prine - sodade, on 04/30/2009, -8/+43America is full of immoral pussies - that really explains how we have fallen so low.
- clvngodess, on 04/30/2009, -8/+43Brings up the argument of good violence versus bad violence. Good torture versus bad torture. A good kill versus a bad kill.
- WiseWeasel, on 05/01/2009, -4/+38Well how about that; people who attend church more tend to be sociopaths. Couldn't have seen that coming... Damn sheep.
- MercyPolitics, on 04/30/2009, -3/+36Unreal, isn't it? In my case I still have my "exit strategy " ( go back to Europe). But, Arnold, joke aside we should expect this meager number( 25%) to go up after the release of the Pentagon's torture photographs. At least, one would hope...
- ajgasper, on 04/30/2009, -1/+31Unreal is an understatement. However, please make sure you give me your address when you leave. I may need a place to stay while I decide whether I want to rent an apartment above a bar in Marseille, or live on a sailboat in Toulon :-). I sure hope the numbers do go up, but they are so low it's really disappointing. Obviously I thought better of peoples basic instincts.
- angeladtao, on 05/01/2009, -0/+30I wonder if religious people are just more fearful than non-religious people are. At least the Christian religion aims to get people into Heaven and to avoid Hell which is very fear based. I wonder if people who are susceptible to this kind of thinking are also susceptible to the fear of terrorism to a greater degree than non-religious people are. That might account for their being willing to do almost anything in order to pursue terrorists and their plans. It may just be the personality trait of fear-based thinking that is at the root of both the acceptance of radical Christian religious doctrine and pursuit of safety from terrorists at all costs. What a pity to have to live locked in a world of being afraid of everything and everybody with which you are not familiar.
- Batfishy, on 04/30/2009, -1/+30I thought better too. This is beyond disappointing, it's shocking.
- ajgasper, on 04/30/2009, -2/+31Obviously that only applies to anyone who adheres to any particular religion's or person's theological viewpoint.
- BoulderSue, on 04/30/2009, -2/+29This is really depressing. Can't wait to see Bill Maher tomorrow night. Looks to me as though he's got a point about religion. Very sad!
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..................................., - ajgasper, on 04/30/2009, -1/+27To me the numbers are so low it goes beyond being informed, and has more to do with having morals so low that one has to look up to see them. From a religious perspective, it's more like in the end days the church will raise its skirt.
- ripter, on 05/01/2009, -1/+25I wasn't aware there was an asterisk next to "Thu Shall Not Kill*"
*Not kill only applies to one member of this religion from killing another member of this same religion in the same country. You are free to kill people of other religions or people who are different from you in some way, shape, or form. - WiseWeasel, on 05/01/2009, -1/+24I find it completely unsurprising. Unaffiliated are less likely to simply lap up what they're fed, and seem predisposed to actually think (relatively) critically about the positions they take in life.
- TheMachine1, on 05/01/2009, -1/+24I'm an atheists and going with "never justified". Torture is unacceptable punishment for the guilty. Even more unacceptable for those who are mere suspects.
- joshstone100, on 04/30/2009, -2/+24They just don't care anymore. Blatant law breaking by the government and atrocious crimes committed in Americas name are no big deal. As long as their bank accounts aren't directly affected. Even then, in light of recent trillion dollar bail outs, that's no big deal either.
If people were more informed about what really happened with the torture debacle and had the ability to think critically and question beyond what is fed to them on the news, I suspect numbers would be higher. Then again, with the US media being used against the people as a propaganda tool for the government, it's not surprising numbers are low.
We live in a time where people believe whatever the TV tells them. Especially from the CIA infiltrated so called reputable news corporations. The US is controlled by what the government wants you to think. They tell you through the media. - TheCooler72, on 05/01/2009, -1/+22Dugg for aptly quoting scripture on digg.
- freedomjoe, on 04/30/2009, -3/+23Um, you have to ask the "moral majority", but it appears that Jesus is in 100% agreement with them regarding who deserves to live or die. /s
- JoeParanoid, on 04/30/2009, -3/+21It's sort of a Brothers Karamazov conundrum. Does this mean the Romans were right to torture Jesus? Certainly in his day, millennial prophets were becoming quite the political problem for the Roman empire. But in all fairness, the divide probably has as much to do with other elements of cultural indoctrination.
- BBE1965, on 05/01/2009, -2/+20Polls like this are proof of the need for investigation and prosecution. The public must learn that torture is illegal and not to be tolerated.
- Firstdaughter, on 05/01/2009, -3/+19Personally I don't think the torturers are any better than the terrorists as they are both guilty of the same acts.
What type of individual can knowingly torture or kill another human being? Is it justified bc someone may believe this individual to be guilty of a "crime". Who is to know for certain who is guilty and who is innocent?
The people who believe that torture is justified have simply not thought the process through or lack the reasoning skills to do so. - ajgasper, on 04/30/2009, -5/+21But will probably get you on a DHS list.
- freedomjoe, on 04/30/2009, -2/+17Again, a flag decal will get you out of that scrape with Jesus...It's all in how you spin it. Jesus is apparently a sucker for torture and hatred. confederate Jesus and all. /s
- JQP123, on 05/01/2009, -1/+16So much for the theory; popular among Christians, that religion owns a patent on morality.
Underlying this, I suspect, is the contempt and lack of respect that many Christians show for those who are not like them. In other words, it's OK to torture Muslims, they're going to hell anyway. But if Christians were being tortured, you know the response would be different. - Solkre, on 05/01/2009, -1/+15This is America, we do not ***** torture!
- geauxtig3rs, on 05/01/2009, -1/+15This is exactly why I, and many like minded individuals feel pushed out the the republican party. It's being specifically done by people in the far (and I hate the term) religious right. The Jesus they pretend to follow is nothing like the Jesus that I have read about. Jesus was a social liberal....it's as plain as that, but most people are too stupid to think for themselves. They let their pastor, or the talking head on TV do the thinking for them.
I really wish that someone would come around to either take back my party, or dissolve it and make a new one full of rational people. - BoulderSue, on 05/01/2009, -3/+16I wonder if the Bush/Cheney administration suffered from a lack of connection with someone like Billy Graham? I don't think they ever did have what was called the "president's pastor". On the other hand, would they have taken him seriously?
- worseforwine, on 05/01/2009, -0/+13I wish they had a bar for viewers of the show '24'
- FlaNative, on 05/01/2009, -2/+15You murder, torture and rape; you ca then go "confess", be forgiven, rinse hands and repeat.
- enantiodromia, on 05/01/2009, -0/+13i like how you don't know what water boarding actually is, then say it's not torture.
that was the best part. - SpinningHead, on 05/01/2009, -1/+14And yet Hitler was able to rise to power because of the extreme financial punishment put on Germany after WW1. Its a cycle. Im not saying it wasn't "right" to fight WW2, but violence is never a "good" thing. I had family that fought in WW2 and they carried scars with them until the day they died.
- joshstone100, on 04/30/2009, -3/+15Odd, the Bush officials in government who authorized and approved torture would never be put on a DHS hit list. It's the American people who are the problem!
- Mercedes383, on 05/01/2009, -0/+12I've actually been water boarded. Believe me, it is torture. I didn't last long at all and ended up panicked and crying from the experience.
The feeling is of drowning and never being quite able to get enough air to live.
Torture is to induce mental and physical pain. Water boarding does both. - AndrewMoyer, on 05/01/2009, -0/+12Isn't it funny how we burned Clinton at the stake for lying about a blow job, and yet we can't even get an investigation rolling in Washington about the torture and murder committed under the Bush Administration?
It sure seems to fit our culture.
I can tune into Fox on a Monday night to watch "24" and see FBI agents get double-tapped in the forehead by Tony Almeda during prime-time, but seeing Janet Jackson's pierced nipple for 8 frames during the Super Bowl whips the nation into a frenzy.
I guess what I'm saying is... more nipples during prime time! ;-) - SpinningHead, on 05/01/2009, -1/+13The thing about evangelicals is they believe in a personal interpretation of a 2000 year old text regardless of whether they understand any of the historical background to put it in context. By doing so they can justify just about anything they want by finding the right passage.
- DrWordSmith, on 05/01/2009, -2/+14According to many religious interpretations, it is "thou shalt not murder". Murder and Killing are very different.
First off, regardless of how you interpret the commandment, most reasonable religious people assume God was talking about people (i.e. its ok to kill animals).
However it gets murky from there:
Are we allowed to kill in self defence?
Are we allowed to kill as punishment?
Are we allowed to kill as a deterent for future crimes?
Are we allowed to kill people who are greatly suffering (e.g. a wounded soldier on a battlefield).
Are we allowed to kill the unborn if it is a threat to the mother's life?
I think that the above underscores how inadequate and simplistic "God's Laws" for dealing with complicated situations. Its like he wanted us to disagree on the borderline cases and cause conflict. - banderwocky, on 05/01/2009, -1/+12What would Jesus do? I seriously doubt he would torture.
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