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- Kewlduderules, on 10/10/2007, -5/+35Don't you all know, we have progress in Iraq?! If the white house says it is true then it is true even though they lied about everything else.
Expect a lot of good results even though everything else shows a complete catastrophy in Iraq. I am sure the white house will turn things around in about a month.
They are known to work miracles- hey look at alberto gonzalez. He was somehow doing something illegal and now he is not. Fascinating!!!
Expect really good things from the report. Oh and if there are still a lot of GI's being killed in Iraq (even more than we have now), remember it's a work in progress. Petreus believes we can secure Iraq in 10 years!!!
Change is just around the corner (just take a look at the stock market)!!! - jamesallen74, on 10/10/2007, -5/+28Interesting how yesterdays 4 car bombings killed 30 people according to our government, 175 people according to Iraq.
I am not one to trust Iraq's numbers, but anymore? I would trust Iraq's numbers over our government's numbers anyday. - dallascorbin504, on 10/10/2007, -6/+23once again...They treat the American people like *****. STOP ***** LYING TO US. STOP DICTATING OUR LIVES. STOP BEING OUR PRESIDENT!!!! JUST ***** STOP!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+23RIP: Democracy in America
- totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -5/+20Karl Rove's last task before leaving the White House? :p
- nshah, on 10/10/2007, -6/+19So let me get this straight. We are all waiting for a White House written report that will comment on whether the White House's plan is working?
- LibrarianEtarip, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Buried for "we fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" reasoning
- JCSaint, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16I should have known....
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8There will be no revolution.
- minox, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Well, as the majority whip said, if Petraeus came back and said that good progress was being made, that "would be bad for us."
If you spend all your time saying we are losing the war, there comes a tipping point where you become invested in that loss. In fact, the loss becomes not entirely disagreeable to you. - RavagesOfTime, on 10/10/2007, -6/+13I love how we've gotten to the point where nobody will read anything because of the site it comes from. No wonder the country's gone so ***** nuts. If Arianna Huffington says 2+2=4, it's dirty commie LIBERAL *****. Lousy Liberal Liberals. Grrr....Liberals.
- mjl5629, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10Petraeus should ask Powell how that worked out for him.
- nihilite, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6No. It is NOT rove's last task before leaving the white house.
He wrote this report a long time ago. And you have already READ this report. It reads "We are winning this crusade, but we must continue to fight the evil-doers before they come rape your wife and insult your favorite NASCAR driver. Keep paying the taxes and funding the war - we're winning. Your freedom is emboldening the enemy; let us tap your phones. War is peace. Freedom is slavery."
I promise you that i have just summed up the report. - totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Wow, great logic there, einstein. :p
If the report is due in September, and Rove's last day is end of August, then yeah, that would work out timewise, right? Are you really this stupid? - TeamWookie, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11The only reason Petraeus supports this administrations views because this administrations only hires people that agree with them.
- phatt-matt, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Why is the left so interested in smearing Petraeus? Why do they want to discredit him and his report before he has a chance to deliver it to Congress? I wonder why? Hmmm...I wonder. Oh yeah. Harry Reid said it best that a loss in Iraq would guarantee the Dems seats in the House and in the Senate.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9And the spin begins. The Libs know that positive things in Iraq are bad for them, so here come the attacks on the reports credibility. So predictable.
- Dillinger71, on 10/10/2007, -1/+630? The bbc is reporting at least 200...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6947886.stm - pitlord, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6This is totally inaccurate. Petraeus will deliver his report to Capitol Hill, not to the American public. Petraeus' report cannot be read to the public because it contains classified information that we do not want our enemies to know about.
How is this even news? - LordSlashstab55, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5it doesn't matter which party line you're on, they're both going to hell
- erekose, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Yes, some small edits like:
"We are not winning in Iraq"
Magically becomes:
"We are winning in Iraq"
Who is going to miss those three little letters anyway?
Only liberal academics would get upset over such a thing.
;^) - TubaTechno, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Funny how they want to smear the same person they confirmed into that position. Do they not trust the generals that they themselves put in charge?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8As the saying goes, "Whats bad for America, is good for the Democrats."
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Pot...Kettle
- NotAChickenHawk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Well, actually, Bush has used the *recess appointment* clause of the Constitution to get away with appointing several "*****" during the course of his Presidency, but that is neither here nor there. If Patreus feels he can give a negative report and keep his job, he's nuts.
- bigturns, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5this 'fight them over there so we don't fight them over here' *****, is just that - *****! I was raised to be a proud American (which included 5 years in the corps kicking sand). I say, if the fools want to 'fight us here' then BRING IT! The entire concept is *****.
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It's interesting that the original LA Times piece doesn't have nearly as many diggs as the Think Progress piece.
This is how you frame the news today. Think Progress, naturally, has their own way of framing the issue, and through Digg they can elevate their spin on the story beyond what was actually reported by the news outlet. - sbader, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Sometimes I'm not sure who's worse the conservatives, the liberals, or the guys in the middle who claim neither party and say they are above both but don't do anything either.
- shorn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Oh, we forgot. YOU own the place.
Byte me. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7Sounds like The Soros propaganda machine is alredy in high gear, trying to pre-emptively spin the news that will come out in September. They are bringing out their greatest weapon, an ad homimem attack on Patraeus by tying him to Bush. Don't listen to the general, please ignore any facts that might denote progress, just know that everything he says is from Bush and BUSH IZ TEH DEBIL!
- Albionshores, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Behind the scenes General Pace has been talking with commanders in Iraq and has compiled his own report he says he'll also release in September. Still too early to say whether Pace will turn out to be a White House lackey or something else. He has stood upto to Rumsfeld before when Rumsfeld was trying to justify torture. Pace stepped in and set the record straight for service men; 'Don't do it, if you see it happening you have to stop it.' Pace may well step upto the plate again.
An independent investigation has also been commission by international news outlets, compiled by the Brooking's Institute it has already been released. Its findings are quite damning of the surge.
If the White House tries to sell an extension there is evidence of motions to counter that argument. - Leach, on 10/10/2007, -7/+10Lets just stop dealing with him. He shown time and again he has nothing but contempt for the American people and the rule of law. Impeach.
- nofrak1, on 10/10/2007, -12/+15http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pullback15aug15,0,4840766.story?page=2&coll=la-home-center is the actual story. Note that Petraeus is expected to announce a pullback, and that the substance will come from the General, while it is merely the wording that will come from the White House. Of course, thinkprogress has a very shaky relationship with facts.
- TubaTechno, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3"Some would say...."
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Oh sure you are. The Democrats control the purse strings. End the war. Stop funding it.
Don't sell your party short. They could ***** things up really badly if they wanted to. - toxicshok, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The bottom line is that you don't know who you can trust anymore. Everyone seems to have some sort of political agenda. What happened to a time when you could trust the news?
- Jomwilli, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4"but I would rather help rebuild Iraq and shoot bad guys there than in the US."
As if we're "pinning them down" over there? Like, what we're doing over there is ACTUALLY going to keep them from coming over here. Give me a break, as an 11bravo myself as well(never deployed), I really hope you don't believe all of what they tell you. This war is a mess, unfortunately we're not helping over there still to this day. Baghdad doesn't even have water and electricity full time yet, how's that progress going? - GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No. They don't. This is why they have opposed the military leadership after they approved of them.
- GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The Think Progress author is Faiz, as in Faiz Shakir, a former official for the Democratic National Committee. Furthermore, he has a JD from Georgetown and he is doing research for Think Progress?
Whatever the case, Think Progress has many of its own ties that provide supporting evidence that spinning a story is a valuable resource to their political allies, politicians opposed to the surge. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The NY Times also said there were WMD in Iraq. Just like BushCo.
The NY Times is simply another propaganda outlet for the right wing. - johnj21, on 10/10/2007, -5/+7Which administration official was it again that said this?
- MarkDykeman, on 10/10/2007, -8/+10I'm shocked, absolutely shocked! :D
Maybe it's more accurate to say that the report will be heavily EDITED by the White House... - hiphoc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Having a directly elected senate is technically a democracy. Why do you think people in gov't refer to it as a democracy. You think Clinton and all these politicians are idiots. No its an inside joke. Look at congress, the states have no suffrage. Hence the term mob rule. The federal government is a mob, and when I say mob, I mean mafia.
- TheTruth1, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5You liberals are all brainwashed. You have been since Kindergarden when the teacher told you to put your belongings in the community bins. From what I've seen over the course of the past few years it's the democrats that are sheep, who are told what to think. I'm proud to say that I'm neither liberal nor conservative, by today's definitions.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3"What we should be looking at is how to stabilize regions and get regional authorities working."
WE can't stabilize anything FOR them. It gets to a certain point where THEY have to want the region stabilized and work towards that goal.
What pisses me off is that WE were the ones who destabilized the region in the first place. - minox, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I ain't sayin' nothin' about nothin' until Petraeus gets back!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The Democrats aren't liberal. There are liberal Democrats, but the party as a whole is corporate owned and operated.
- NotAChickenHawk, on 10/10/2007, -5/+7Once again, I am remind of the boxer and his trainer. After every round of the championship bout, the fighter returns to his corner where the trainer gives him a pep talk "You're doing great out there!", "You're killing 'em!" ", etc. etc. etc. Finally, at the end of one round, the trainer says "He hasn't laid a finger on ya!", at which point the boxer leans over to the trainer and replies "Then the referee must be Mohamed Ali, because someone's beatin the crap out of me!".
This is exactly the same situation we have today. Bush will keep telling the people, the army, the congress and anyone else who'll listen that things are great. One day, the people, the army, and the congress are going to have to say "No, Mr. President, the reality is that we're accomplishing nothing and loosing lives and limbs left and right". But until they stand up to the President and tell him that, until they stand up to him and throw in the towel for him because he's too prideful, stubborn, arrogant or protective of what's left of his legacy, he'll keep right on spinning things as he pleases and sending our troops back out there round after round. - GabrielS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's "administration officials" which narrows it down to about 10 million people. If it was people that work in the White House it would say "White House sources/officials".
I'll guess the State Department is talking to the press. Whomever it is, they're trying to get out in front of the curve. - neoblaque, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I know this is not going to do any good, but I'm going to try anyway. See the post above yours, I don't think the LA Times is grinding an ax, but read the complete article below to show you REAL spin from the lovely people at the White House.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/02/14/administrations_pr_detailed/ -
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