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- hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -19/+44ABC...the new FOX. This is pathetic.
- BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13What a lame article. Phone slamming?!!
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Why do we get the story from thinkprogress.org instead of the original NYT story that they just borrowed from?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Charlotte:
>From the Wikipedia article (and I quote):
Excellent propaganda repeating, Charlotte, except that he didn't "steal" the originals, the notoriously messy Berger left with photocopies of some documents in his bag.
He paid a fine.
This became "He stuffed the originals in his pants and socks" by the right-wing slime machine. And thus, somehow from photocopies it became that it was a big conspiracy to cover something up. How would "stealing" photocopies cover anything up? - Alphabet, on 10/12/2007, -13/+23I see this 9/11 movie as a cheap ploy by republicans to influence the population emotionally to vote for them this election year.
In the words of cheney and bush, if you don't vote republican, another 9/11 will happen. - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11God bless America, where tragedy and disaster equals profit.
Sickening, isn't it? - fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Only until the next season of LOST...
- OriginalLucid1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11This movie will show that OUR government didn't take the terrorist's threats seriously. That is nothing new, it has been going on since 1979. Reagan's failure to act when over 200 Marines were killed in Lebenon is part of it, as well as Carter's mishandling of the hostage crisis. Clinton screwed up. Face it. If not for 9/11, Bush would probably be doing the same damn thing.
Wake up people. They have stated they wish to kill us all, Libs and Neocons ( you guys on the left love that word, eh?) alike. - FishPoisonCon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"Mr. Berger’s character is also seen abruptly hanging up during a conversation with a C.I.A. officer at a critical moment of a military operation."
"'Sandy Berger did not slam down the phone,” Mr. Nowrasteh said. “That is not in the report.'"
um... this was just one example, right? i mean, this can't be *the* "multiple inaccuracies". why would you use something so trival as your talking point? am i missing something? - hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Your "confirmation" is not a confirmation at all. You linked to a guest editorial -- not a news story -- written by Mansoor Ijaz, a neo-conservative tool and regular contributor to Fox News who is still arguing that Saddam Hussein and Al Queda were in league together, years after the Bush administration has admitted that simply isn't true.
The L.A. Times did not endorse his opinion, nor was the piece required to be unbiased, as it appeared in the opinion section. - pedro101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Michael Moore, isn't he the guy that said Osama is innocent until proven guilty? Isn't he the guy who claims to speak for the American underdog, yet lives in a multimillion dollar apartment? Isn't he the guy who blasted Cheney for his ties to Halliburton, yet owns Halliburton stock himself? This guy's a ***** hipocrite.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47174 - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7digg.com to WordPress: "I will crush you like tiny ant."
Seriously, how many times have I seen "WordPress > Error establishing database connection" on digg? - doffill, on 10/12/2007, -18/+22Boycott ABC and Disney
- linkster6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4As a retired Air Force pilot (Viet Nam) I am happy to know that I would never have to trust one of these docu-drama producers or ABC to fly on my wing. There's absolutely no integrity left in the media. A little pressure from high political figures ( who are deeply flawed in their own right) and they cut and run. It's no wonder that circulation and viewership is down, people are turning to cable and the blogs for their information. The bottom-line is this: Young people growing up see these events and end up with a deep distrust of journalists and their government. The only ones left standing are the military, who give their lives daily to make it possible for politicians and our government to carry on the charade of honesty and integrity. How did we get to this sad point in our history?
- pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5in other words, do not watch anything about this movie, because that would mean that people will remember that the threat is real and that the enemy is real. that there is a real islamic cult out there, hell bent on killing as many westerners as they can.
that despite the fact that clinton's program for the middle east was peace talks and roundtable discussions and no rockets were launched to harm the middle east, and therefore they should be allowed to wash their hands of it, the plans for 9/11 were still carried out against americans.
let's make this about clinton, instead of the 2996 people who died. that is the real concern here, that clinton didn't come off pretty. that monica lewinsky happened. that sandy berger, by the admission of a lot of diggers here, was depicted as an inept bumbling mr.bean clinton appointee.. that's the only point of concern here. that the film shoddily insinuates that clinton was lackadaisical about the threat.
and that it would mean that national security is an important issue, despite the consistent demonizing of people and officials who think that this issue should be a consideration.
i haven't heard a peep of concern about how the REAL victims were portrayed, how the families of 9/11 were portrayed, how the firefighters, medical personnel, law enforcement were portrayed. if americans were portrayed as the nation who deserved it, and who had it coming because of their immorality, in spite of any depicted failings from both clinton and bush administrations. if the enemy who attacked was depicted as sympathetic instead of the murderous, crazed lunatic radical muslims that they are.
i wouldn't be surprised at all if the next point of horror about this is how the rabid islamic terrorists are portrayed.
i have come to the realization that the whole issue with bill clinton is pure hindsight and that everyone involved couldn't have stopped any of it from happening. clinton's program was that of pacifism, and everyone from both sides knows that. that is why democrats loved him, and that is why republicans loathe him. and yet, it made no difference, 9/11 still happened. the islamocrazies still hated the US.
the threat is real, stop pretending that it's all made up. - julessiegel, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7It's not just the phone slamming. The entire scene is completely invented and never happened. Here's what ThinkProgress had to say about it:
---Begin quoted text---
KEY SCENE SAYS CLINTON ADMINISTRATION BLEW SUREFIRE CHANCE TO KILL BIN LADEN: A key scene in "The Path to 9/11" involves President Clinton's national security adviser Samuel Berger, "who freezes in dithering apprehension" when a CIA agent radios in from Afghanistan to say that he and a group of local tribesmen "have Osama bin Laden within sight."
The CIA character "begs for the green light to capture or kill the al Qaeda chieftain, but the line goes dead, suggesting that Berger and his colleagues, including Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright and Defense Secretary William S. Cohen, frozen in indecision, had hung up on the CIA man." According to Richard Clarke -- former counterterrorism czar under Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II, and now counterterrorism adviser to ABC -- this depiction is "utterly invented" and "180 degrees from what happened."
In a statement posted on ThinkProgress, Clarke stated that there were no U.S. military or CIA personnel on the ground in Afghanistan who ever saw bin Laden, and that contrary to the movie, "the CIA Director actually said that he could not recommend a strike on the camp because the information was single sourced and we would have no way to know if bin Laden was in the target area by the time a cruise missile hit it."
In fact, as 9/11 Commission member Richard Ben-Veniste pointed out yesterday, the commission actually found that President Clinton had given the green light to every "operation that had been cleared by the C.I.A. to kill bin Laden." In other words, ABC invented from whole cloth a scene which makes the incendiary claim that the Clinton administration passed on a surefire chance to kill or catch bin Laden.
---End quoted text---
More information is at http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/ - pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4doncha know? the world didn't exist before ***** truthed to power. therefore, it's bush's fault. 's all i'm saying.
- Neochrome, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Clinton was either "very concerned" about Bin Laden ( so much that he refused to get daily CIA briefings, period) but miserably failed to do anything about it (including offer by Yemen to deliver him on a platter), or he was distracted by his testosterone levels.
Typical Liberal thinking: it is intentions that matter, results be damned. But worry not, I'm sure he "feels your pain"... - dancpsu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Yeah, Michael Moore should give all the money he made back.
- STKD, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Even more so when the man in charge of the country is one of the ones who did profit.
- studiorats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The Tonya Harding Story, The Long Island Lolita...those docu-dramas took liberties with the facts. But wait. Nobody died! I think if you're gonna make a movie where people really died, then for crying out loud stick to the facts. This ain't MTV's RealWorld, or CBS' Big Brother, where you can edit the reality.
September 11, 2001 is a day we will never forget. C'mon ABC, keep it real. Keep it honest. Respect those lost souls who didn't know, and those brave souls who gave their lives knowing there was more to learn. That's all I'm saying. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You may be surprised by this, but I agree with the Democrats' efforts to trample the First Amendment right to free speech in this case. Such a flawed movie cannot be seen. I have pinpointed 10 errors of fact in this mini-series that justifies the censorship the Clintonistas are demanding.
1. Monica never gave Bill a Rush Limbaugh tie.
2. Madeline Albright isn't nearly as good looking as actress Shirley Douglas.
3. The movie doesn't show the stains on the Oval Office carpet.
4. Condoleezza Rice takes her coffee with cream, not black.
5. The American flag behind Clinton in the Oval Office is two inches too far to the right.
6. Classified, closed-door meetings were not portrayed with word-for-word accuracy.
7. The series implies that Al Gore was allowed to speak during meetings.
8. The series implies that Bill Clinton was distracted from efforts to catch Osama bin Laden by the Monica Lewinski sex scandal. Actually, he was distracted from sex with Monica Lewinski by efforts to capture Osama bin Laden.
9. Sandy Burger did not stuff classified documents into his pants. He stuffed photocopies of classified documents into his pants.
10. The actor who portrayed Bill Clinton didn't bear the slightest resemblence to W.C. Fields. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 With all the hullabaloo about this "fictional docudrama", and the concerted effort by liberals to prevent the public from viewing it, I wonder when liberalism became so fearful of having their ideology challenged.
This outrage from liberals isn't about whether this docudrama is the truth or not. It is about protecting the tenets of an ideology; an ideology that apparently cannot withstand a television program that runs contrary to it.
If this was about the truth, and the truth only, then we could have expected that these liberals that are trying so desperately to keep the public from seeing this program would have been equally as outspoken when Michael Moore released his lie ridden and fact-twisted fabrications, "Bowling For Columbine", and "Fahrenheit 9/11". But of course, because Moore's movies fit comfortably into the liberal ideology, there was not only no outcry for the truth from these liberals, but Moore's movies were embraced by them with enthusiasm.
F**king hypocrites. - honkyman5000, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7The 9/11 Commission was a joke and its report was fiction.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Yes, that is just one example. That example is a very minor inaccuracy compared to some of the B.S. in this movie.
- nobodyshero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@TheEditor1
"The 'hitler' reference you made speaks volumes to your intelligence, or lack their of, and your understanding, or lack their of, of the issue on which you are commenting. Smart move, typical liberal rhetoric"
Dude, he was agreeing with you. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Please share with us all the information that YOU went out and uncovered yourself...
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6by "improvise" he means "made ***** up", right? thats docudrama license for ya!
- fubeka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dear ABC Entertainment Division,
An improvised scene or two? Is that all you could come up with? Come on! Everyone knows that distorted facts, fancy editing, half truths, and blatant outright lies are the way to make a really cool docudrama or mockumentary.
Sincerely,
Michael Moore - zenmouse, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I think either way, companies need to stop making a buck over 9/11. How many f**king dramas/movies are they going to make about it?
I bet you anything this movie will be "dedicated to the victims and familes of 9/11," but what won't be there is "all procedes benefit their survivors." - fredrated, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4the word 'whores' comes to mind (pardon the pun).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1someone doesnt know sarcasm when they see it...
- steinbeckgirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Would that be similiar to Bush when he said that he wasn't aware that tens of thousands of people in New Orleans were at the Convention Center? Maybe he should watch CNN instead of always being on vacation.
- Tebixan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I wonder why convervatives think everything that isn't as blatantly right wing as Fox News must be ruled by liberals. Most of the media is somewhere inbetween, even CNN has drifted from its left wing stance.
The only real liberal media these days is the Colbert Report and Daily Show. - pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6[quote]
"I deeply regret the actions that I took at the National Archives two years ago, and I accept the judgment of the court," Berger said outside the courthouse after his sentencing.
...
According to the charges, Berger -- between September 2 and October 2, 2003 -- "knowingly removed classified documents from the National Archives and Records Administration and stored and retained such documents at places," such as his private Washington office.
...
Berger's associates admit he took five copies of an after-action report detailing the 2000 millennium terror plot from the Archives. The aides say Berger returned to his office, discovered that three of the copies appeared to be duplicates and cut them up with scissors.
The revelations were a dramatic change from Berger's claim last year that he had made an "honest mistake" and either misplaced or unintentionally threw the documents away.
[/quote] http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/08/berger.sentenced/
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hey! you're right! it wasn't down the socks! that makes it alright then! - NVMojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Facism is alive and well in Amerika. Big Brother is no longer watching because Big Brother owns everything, including your opinions and your minds. Nothing like a nation of peebrains.
- nobodyshero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, I've been hearing all about how this guy is supposed to be some rabid right-winger, also. Here's his bio. Doesn't sound like too much of a whack job to me:
"Cyrus Nowrasteh was born in Boulder, Colorado and grew up in Madison, Wisconsin. He attended New Mexico State University on a tennis scholarship, but later transferred to U.S.C. to study in their renowned School of Cinema. While teaching tennis in Los Angeles he wrote screenplays. His first break came in 1983 when he was hired by Universal Studios to do a rewrite on a project entitled 'Bikers'. Mr. Nowrasteh says this first job was a disaster because he tried "to please everybody." Two years later he wrote his first produced script for the CBS TV series 'The Equalizer' which led him to work predominantly in series television for the next five years. He also wrote scripts on assignment for various producers and studios, the best regarded being 'Black Jack' and 'Murder At Nha Trang' for Interscope Productions. His move into directing began on the independent front with 'Norma Jean, Jack, And Me', a zany comedy about a young drifter who washes up on an island and discovers that Marilyn Monroe and JFK are alive and well! It starred Sally Kirkland and Michael Murphy and became a festival favorite throughout the world.
Cyrus Nowrasteh recently wrote and directed the Paramount/Showtime production The Day Reagan Was Shot (2001) (TV) which starred Richard Dreyfuss. Produced by Oliver Stone, The Day Reagan Was Shot received rave reviews and a number of awards including the Pen USA West Literary Award for Best Teleplay 2001-2002. Presently, he is developing a four-hour mini-series on John Dillinger for the USA network which Mr. Nowrasteh will write and direct. Also as writer/director, Mr. Nowrasteh is developing 3rd Down & Forever with Chris Columbus's 1492 productions.
Some of his other writing credits include Showtime's 10,000 Black Men Named George (2002) (TV)(a dramatization of Black activist A. Philip Randolph's struggles in leading the Pullman Strike), the independent 1996 Sundance hit, 'The Interview', _"Nikita" (1997)_ , the pilot for the hit USA Network series, 'La Femme Nikita', and the adaptation of Alan Dershowitz's novel, The Advocate's Devil (1997) (TV) for ABC. Nowrasteh has also received numerous credits as a writer/producer on such television series as The Equalizer, and D.E.A. As a screenwriter, he is writing Juarez for Warner Brothers and Robert Lawrence Productions, Andrews' Raiders for Kennedy/Marshall and Universal, and Personal Injuries for Punch Productions and Dustin Hoffman. His wife, Betsy Giffen Nowrasteh, is a screenwriter."
~IMDB - zelig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@DSPGeek: Turns out Nowrasteh is Yet Another right-winger trying to cover up Bush's inaction on bin Laden by blaming everything on Clinton, despite the fact that Clinton and Gore told the Bush team this was the most important item on the agenda, and Bush blew it off until September 12, 2001.
What hogwash! Bush was president for only, what, four months at that point ?
Clinton was pres for 8 years! I swear, if ANYTHING negative is said about ANY Democrat, the author is a "right winger". By the way, you haven't seen this show yet. Duhhh. Get back to me when you have. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ABC is a "major network", and FOX is "partisan"? What flippin' rock did you crawl out from under? I find it hard to believe that people can be this naive.
- cmdrNacho, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7The difference is they are showing it over public airwaves to try sway people and anybody can view it. For farenheit 9/11 you have to pay to see it.. so people that already agree with moore are probably the only ones that viewed it. ABC = Disney = Jeb Bush = Florida.. come on now isn't it obvious.
- ajg23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Why would a "fictionalized" piece like this be promoted as "educational material" EVER?...Unless...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Also ABC = Disney = Apple = Steve Jobs...oh wait...
- BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@Tebixan
Until Fox News came around, the other news outlets only reported stories that promoted their liberal agendas. Nowadays, they're dragged into news that they would've ignored in the past. - steinbeckgirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey it's ***** Republican peebrains to you!
- FishPoisonCon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1ok... so julessiegel's link explains this better. this article sucked, i don't see why they would make it seem so petty by leaving out the circumstance this was happening in.
(although, i guess this is more of a follow up, nm)
9/5 - http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/
9/7 - http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/07/accidents-occur/ - ianac88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I concur
- pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4oh, you mean like thinkprogress isn't a biased editorial blog?
the color of hypocrisy matches that shirt your wearing. - boonesfarm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I'd love to see a parent explain to their kids why they can't go see Nemo 2.
And ESPN? That's pure madness. - pawchikapawpaw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2oh and yes, it's spelled "you're". your welcome, grammar nazi.
- HallsOfMandos, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Give them a break, this is only the first of many more attempts to invoke fear on one hand and stir hatred of the left on the other as the election nears. Looks their chops were a bit rusty, but I'm sure that come November the attempts to scare us into voting for the Party of Fear will be much more effective.
/respect for politics -
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