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- yonoz, on 03/01/2008, -275/+4631) What data is this based on?
2) The Palestinians never accepted the partition plan.
3) There is Palestinian land inside Israel, if you consider Arab Israelis to be Palestinians (which they are).
4) Similarly, "Palestinian" land can be considered Jordanian and Egyptian prior to 1967.
5) Why not show the loss of Jewish land in Arab nations over the same time period?
6) Why not show the status between 1967 and 2000 - Israel handed over more than 1.5 times its current size in peace accords during that time. - atdigg, on 03/01/2008, -88/+258"2) The Palestinians never accepted the partition plan."
So this logic goes like this "you have not accepted an unfair plan therefore you deserve to be subjected to an even less fair partition". Huh? - pintomp3, on 03/01/2008, -98/+262these maps are anti-semitic!
- PantherX, on 03/01/2008, -83/+234Yes, instead of integrating their society, they practice segregation and force people to live in reservations which they slowly shrink.
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -61/+202Hey I got an idea, how about we stop making israel our bitch and let them fend for their own selves?
- P5ycHo, on 03/01/2008, -146/+284And naturally, the US supports Israel.......
- floridiot2, on 03/01/2008, -26/+147loss of land for america: http://web.archive.org/web/20060114211459/http://w ...
- atdigg, on 03/01/2008, -25/+127"they hate us for our freedom"
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -73/+164Yeah, that's why the entire world outside of Israel and the US condemns Israeli aggression. This isn't new, but it always helps to show us Americans big pictures with small words in large type.
- dognose, on 03/01/2008, -20/+106Ok, and what did it all look like before 1946?
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -42/+124"6) Why not show the status between 1967 and 2000 - Israel handed over more than 1.5 times its current size in peace accords during that time."
that's called the 1967 land which Israel never gave back. - Gardimus, on 03/01/2008, -28/+108"5) Why not show the loss of Jewish land in Arab nations over the same time period?"
Not all Arabs are the same. Unjust treatment inflicted upon Jewish people at the hands of various Arab states does not justify unjust treatment upon the Palestinian people. - CoreOverride, on 03/01/2008, -34/+1001) This data is widely available from the UN and research groups
2) has already been answered. How does not accepting an unfair plan entitle you to an even more unbalanced situation?
3) by Palestinian land, do you mean small circles of tents of people living in constant fear of being executed just for existing?
4) ... ...what?
5) what place does Jewish land have in Arab nations?
6) I'm not sure about this. If you mean the Sinai peninsula, that was never Israel's land and they had no right to it.
Your argument is biased. - Stevanoski, on 03/01/2008, -27/+8485% of the population of Jordan is Palestinian, why do we still call it Jordan?
- loganhid, on 03/01/2008, -88/+142America supports Israel, giving country arms while the Palestinians are very little to defend themselves, some using sticks and stones to fight back.
- stonebear, on 03/01/2008, -10/+62Apologies; there was 2.46 billion dollars in disclosed US aid for Israel in 2007.
- pimpofpixels, on 03/01/2008, -14/+65That's why unilateral support for Israel will never bring peace. The only peaceful solution is either one state which is ethnicity ambivalent, or a two state solution where the land is distributed more fairly.
- osuli001, on 03/01/2008, -5/+55Well First of all, i am Palestinian. I went to visit their last summer and i had a great time. despite what people may say, you can't base your judgments on what you see on the television. The television stations are bias and tend to lean towards one view or the other, mainly if you are watching the news in America, you would think that their are bombings everyday and tons of Israelis are dying. then if you watch Algezeera, you would see the opposite, Israel bombing Palestinians on a daily bases. Well i have news for everyone, when i was there for 3 months, all i heard about was one suicide bombing, from the Palestinians. Then, to retaliate, the Israelis create road blocks that suppresses every movement the Palestinians want to make. But besides that incident, i still enjoyed my time in Palestine, i even went to the Israeli side, as i have an American passport. One thing i like to mention is that Israel is much like America as it is very beautiful, yet i believe Palestine would be as nice if the Palestinians were given more freedom. Both sides need to acknowledge their differences and just respect each other, I'm sick of how the media makes their situation to make one or the other seem like monsters.
- kris33, on 03/01/2008, -20/+62Two days ago Hamas fired rockets into Israel, two people were killed. Israel responded by bombing a whole block, killing 43, 14 of them children.
- source1984, on 03/01/2008, -4/+44Mostly Muslim with a few Christians and Jews who mostly peacefully coexisted until Jewish started active immigration into the region via British support.
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -6/+44resolution 242:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_R ... - EdgarVerona, on 03/01/2008, -13/+51Neither did the nation of Israel. I guess that should make you think too.
- Vaktathi, on 03/01/2008, -6/+42Do you know how many Palestinians have been killed in relation to Israeli's in the past few years? The Palestinians aren't exactly the good guys but Israel sure as hell isn't either.
Israel inflicts 5 casualties for every one it receives, and has turned most of Gaza and the West Bank into either a Ghetto or rubble, at the cost of about a dozen of their own structures. During the last Intifadah, the Israeli's killed about 5,000 palestinians and lost about 1,000 of their own. Israel is the only nation to have developed and deployed a 43 ton armored bulldozer specifically to destroy residential areas.
Now I'm not saying Israel doesn't have a right to exist or to defend itself, but there is a difference between defending oneself and going on a rampage. Only here in the United States do people see the conflict as so pro-Israel, the rest of the world sees both as having gone the deep and and *both* as having committed illegal excesses. - inactive, on 03/01/2008, -9/+45Because historical ownership of the land TOTALLY entitles you to just move back in, whenever, right?
Like that time the native Americans were given half your house. It was totally a fair partition plan. You got to keep the upstairs parts. You just had to move your ***** out of the basement within 20 minutes or it became theirs.
That was the best compromise ever. - LupeFiasco, on 03/01/2008, -18/+53you are missing the point. You keep mentioning these defensive wars but you fail to realize that what people are really pissed about is the land being given up in the first place. It is a valid point. Why did a conflict mainly in Europe result in the reallocating of land in the middle east. If the Jewish people want a land to call their own thats cool, but not at the cost of other peoples homes.
- airiox, on 03/01/2008, -19/+54How about we go back to B.C. then who's land would it be? "Israel" was taken from the Jews many centuries ago and has exchanged hands several times afterwards. The Jews took it from so called Giants according to the Bible. The Romans once controlled the land, maybe we should let the Italians lay claim to it. Give me a break. This is the same stupid argument for Mexicans taking back the entire western portion of America. We took it from them by force. That is how the world works. Sucks to lose.
- mknoll1, on 03/01/2008, -62/+97Can we at least mention the defensive wars that Israel fought to gain that territory. Including one where Israel was attacked on the holiest day of the year. The intention was to catch the Jews with their knees bent in prayer. Can you imagine the international condemnation if Muslims were attacked during Ramadan??? Also please do not discount the fact that in the years leading up to 1946 6.5 MILLION jews were killed in Europe. 6.5 million is 1/20 Americans. Think of your street and imagine if 1/20 houses of people were just killed. I think you would feel a little guilty for your complacency and help the survivors find a new place to live. Finally remember that the Palestinians elected a government that is an internationally recognized terrorist organization. In a democracy you get the government you deserve and for being terrorists they deserve to lose their right to control territory and slaughter innocent people.
- martalli, on 03/01/2008, -2/+37It was a British protectorate, and before that it was part of the Ottoman state. In those days, there were Muslims, Jews, and Christians.
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -15/+49"The land was considered waste and the arabs couldn't wait to sell it."
Yeah all that coastline to the Mediterranean Sea, no one wanted that right? Seriously how can you believe that tripe? - BedPost, on 03/01/2008, -2/+36It's a shame that the Oklahoma plan never... wait. What people are we talking about?
- e30guy, on 03/01/2008, -4/+34well since we lost our freedom due to the patriot act I guess they don't hate us anymore.
- barakatx2, on 03/01/2008, -18/+48when i went to palestine for the first time, i had to go through tel aviv because israel closed the palestinian airport yearrrrs ago. so when we get to israel (me and my family), we waited in the long passport lines, and noticed that anyone that looks palestinian was taking forever and eventually sent somewhere other than the next part of the airport. so it turns out all palestinians were being put in a small room by themselves, and every 5 minutes an israeli airport security guy would walk in and drag one of the men out and throw them around yelling about random things. they did not let the mothers change their babies so there was constant crying. everyone had to stay at least 3 hours, if not 5,6,7, or even 8 hours, or even just sent back to wherever they came from. They did this to every palestinian that was on my flight. Is that not racism, segregation, and discrimination?
- martalli, on 03/01/2008, -5/+35Did Arabs invade Europe in the last cenury? I fail to see where the Europeans in Israel started off in a defensive posture.
- roboneal, on 03/01/2008, -21/+51I'm guessing a similar map could be make up with the outline of United State of America and be labeled Cherokee, Sioux, Chippewa land 1600-2007 and it would be even more dramatic.
Bottom line: Conquest has shaped this world since a stick was used as a club.
Are you ready to move out of your house and hand over the deed to the remnants of your local Indian tribe? - mgyqmb, on 03/01/2008, -9/+38Arabs are semites too ;)
- Metasquares, on 03/01/2008, -30/+59They might lose Gaza again too. They got it back for being peaceful for a while, and then they - as a lot of people predicted back then - used it to launch missiles into Israel. Now Israel is planning on taking it back. But whose fault is this?
- headphonz, on 03/01/2008, -9/+35Umm nope...enlighten me. I haven't heard of any Kingdoms out there. I guess you're going to give the tired excuse of how God ~gave~ this land to the Jews. ~yawn~ Prove it.
Guess what, God told me last night he gave me your house and your car so pony up your keys pal! Don't believe me? Just ask him! - plr4ever, on 03/01/2008, -4/+30Actually, we are Israels bitch.
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -10/+36But it was the UN that gave them the land.
- nyyg, on 03/01/2008, -36/+62If you're going to bash Israel, than bash the United States for taking British, French, Spanish, and Mexican land. It's all the same when looked at in perspective. Besides, this is the way territory matters have been solved for thousands of years- war, treaties, resolutions, etc. Technically, Britain controlled the Palestinian territory, so they could give it to the Israelis. That's the way things work.
- grungegbunny, on 03/01/2008, -40/+66I do not know for sure if this map is accurate in any way. If it is, that is really ***** up of Israel. I'm no Jew basher by any means, but can you blame the Palestinians for being so rebellious?
- martalli, on 03/01/2008, -8/+33What our are interests? Democracy? Oil? Neither are present in Israel. They have democracy for a lucky few, and the rest of the people have no vote for the Israeli government and almost no ability to do things like dig wells or drive to the hospital quickly when sick. As far as I know, Israel has almost no oil.
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -11/+36naturally, a digger with a Jewish Star of David claims everything in the favor of Palestinians as inaccurate. I'm sure as glad that there are other Zionists who aren't as ridiculous as you are otherwise this would be a black and white issue.
- boredsam, on 03/01/2008, -23/+48The Palestinian national identity didn't exist before then, which should make you think.
- makkaveli19, on 03/01/2008, -2/+27wtf are you trolling? how are you speaking for diggers? and how are muslims the only good poeple in the world. i'm a muslim and i ***** think your retarded
- mattmollysdad, on 03/01/2008, -75/+99these maps are so full of *****... I'm amazed. buried for being crap. how about the part that Israel has probably 7 million Jewish people... total in the world around 14 million Jews... Muslims near 1 billion... so u want to take away that strip of land... give me a break. The Nation of Israel was crated by a vote by the United Nations in 1948 and it was immediately attacked by all the surrounding Arab states...Then it was attack again... and again... and again... Israel gives up land for peace and all they get are pieces of rockets fired into their schools. Their neighbors teach their children hatred...Jews aren't allowed... whatever. Anyone who buys this crap is an idiot.
- grungegbunny, on 03/01/2008, -7/+31They wanna be like mike.
- LupeFiasco, on 03/01/2008, -9/+32Strong economic ties to Israel eh? ***** looks pretty one sided to me. Americans need to make their tax dollars work for THEM.
- rocketman42, on 03/01/2008, -19/+42If you want to see what the area was like before 1946, this seems to be a good list. http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_maps.php
Interesting that the original League of Nations drawing in 1920 had just one nation, Palestine, where Israel, Palestine and Jordan are now. - inactive, on 03/01/2008, -6/+28You need to re-think your decision to speak for me.
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