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- sharpfork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Interesting OPINION piece that belongs in the Political OPINION topic, not news. Regardless, according to this logic, 9% or Repubs and 34% of Independents hate America too. I think those numbers actually represent how many people hate Bush and his crap policies.
- FyreGoddess, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Succeed at what?
- Ranger1988, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Any poll that the media introduces is usually a bunch of crap, even this one.
- NoAccounting4me, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ugh. OK, sure it's from a website titled "ringwinged". Sure it's citing a poll from Fox News. But just because the sources are suspect, let's not jump to conclusions, right?
FTA: 'You would think that everyone, even people that hate him, would say "Of course we want him to succeed. He's the President of my country, and a failure for him is a failure for my country." "
What utter, unmitigated CRAP. A failure for the President is a failure of the president's policies, his ideology, and/or his politics. If a President wants to violate the Constitution by ignoring the 4th Amendment (to pick an example from nowhere), is a "failure for him a failure for my country"? Or maybe, it's possible that the President may pursue goals that are not in the best interests of my country. (one might speculate how this same polling question might turn out if asked ten years ago, or if the article's authors would so brazenly define "failure" for a president in the same magnanimous terms if we were discussing presidents of other countries like Iraq or Venesuala...)
This is one of the WORST forms of rhetoric: bare-faced equivocation. (or for folks without fancy learnin', you can call it "changing the definitions of words to mean whatever I want 'em to mean")
This IS a policy question, because policy is the PRIMARY MEASURE we have to judge a president's success or failure on. Why do we say Jimmy Carter was a "failure"? Because his economic policies weren't successful in dealing with the economic enviornment, because his foreign policy wasn't successful in dealing with the Hostage Crisis. Success & failure are measured by the results of a presidents' policies and their implimentation, pure & simple.
What do you have to judge a president's success or failure, if not POLICY? - rightwinged, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The poll question wasn't a policy one... it was about whether they wanted this presidency to be a success.
- rightwinged, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0most polls are crap, especially election polls... but this was a pretty simple question and 51% of Democrats simply said they don't want the President to succeed. If this is crap, please explain.


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