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- inactive, on 01/04/2008, -6/+83anyone wondering yet what was lost in the fire last month in dick's office?
- inactive, on 01/04/2008, -1/+38That will end up being a very convenient little fire.
- gummih, on 01/04/2008, -8/+30How about the DoJ ability to gather information regarding inlawful action of the VP?
And why do you specify American lives? Are they more important than the lives of other people?
Dick? Is that you? You sound like one. - mugsoh, on 01/04/2008, -1/+22That's not quite the right question. To make the analogy proper, the question should be "Would you torture someone you THOUGHT knew where your family was being kept if they were in trouble?" Someone being tortured will eventually tell you anything you WANT to hear to stop the torture. Whether it is truthful or not, they don't care, they want the torture to stop. That is what makes it so unreliable.
- inactive, on 01/04/2008, -0/+20What? Yesterday "voov" was posting under the name "vvet." A week ago he was posting as "vvtf." He's been trolling politics threads forever. You can tell its the same guy because he always uses some variation of the bizarre nonsense phrase "dopey liberal moonbats" every time he posts.
- Dumbledorito, on 01/04/2008, -4/+22And our best military interrogators, the ones who actually know what they're doing as opposed to the ones making people-pyramids for their own amusement, will tell you that torture is not how you get reliable intel out of a prisoner.
Much like how you get what you want on the international stage, it's not all busting in and "kicking ass," as much as that makes you feel like your penis isn't the embarassment you were ridiculed for in high school gym. Sorry to pop your bubble. - inactive, on 01/04/2008, -6/+24Yeah, the only people whining about "torture" are dopey liberal moonbats like John McCain...the SAME people that have been undermining the troops from day one.
...new screen name, btw? Get banned again, did we? What's this, #50? Digg really needs IP bans... - sotopheavy, on 01/04/2008, -0/+16Would you have other countries torture our soldiers if they were caught? Would you rather have your children drafted and tortured if captured for being forced into a war? If we do it for any reason then we are saying that it is okay for others to do it as well. There are certain things you may think are *****, but it is what makes a society civilized and humane. If you torture someone for any reason you should be thrown in jail as well as kidnappers and terrorists. There wouldn't be many people who would want you to have a fair trial, but you should get one anyway because this is America jackass!
- inactive, on 01/04/2008, -4/+19Torture was given up in the Middle Ages, not because people decided it was mean, but because it did not produce reliable information. Don't forget - Iraq had weapons of mass destruction according to torture evidence. How many people got killed BECAUSE we tortured??
If you are being tortured, you can reason that you really have no incentive to tell what you know. The torturer will not know if/when you have told the truth, and he will not know that you have no remaining information of value. You will not get relief by telling your torturer what you know.
Hanns-Joachim Schraff was the greatest German interrogator in world war 2. He worked primarily on captured US airmen and he was so respected for ability to extract secrets that he was dubbed “The Master” by his peers. What vicious tactics did he use to get this information? What horrific torment did he inflict on US airmen? Kindness and a respect for human dignity.
Schraff correctly realized that only a bare fraction of captured enemies would have information of immediate tactical use. And it is highly unlikely that one could extract that information in time to use it. So torturing an enemy to get the “whole story” would be a waste of time. Additionally it would run the risk of getting false information from the prisoner.
Instead, he did everything in his power to help the captives feel relaxed and safe. He would have long talks with the captives and discuss philosophy or some other seemingly safe topic for a prisoner to discuss. All the while, he was collecting bits and pieces of information that he would assemble and use to support the German war effort. Their best interrogator, and he never had to raise his voice.
As a result, after the war Schraff wasn’t tried for war crimes. Instead he was invited to the US to speak to the military about his interrogation techniques. These techniques have come to be used by trained interrogators worldwide.
http://kevinrobinson.wordpress.com/2006/10/05/on-t ... - mulling, on 01/04/2008, -1/+16Wait until after Bush is out of office to bring Cheney up on charges. That way Bush can't just pardon him like he did with Libby.
Oh, and don't forget to bring Bush up on charges, too. This rot goes all the way to the top, don't forget that for a second. - IKORKYI, on 01/04/2008, -9/+24You're an idiot.
- sotopheavy, on 01/04/2008, -2/+14Secret xrays that show Cheney's heart was 2 sizes too small?
- bcamp1973, on 01/04/2008, -0/+12Dick Cheney before he dicks you...
- inactive, on 01/04/2008, -3/+15Dick died years ago, theres a midget inside his carcass getting all Weekend at Burnie's with us.
- inactive, on 01/04/2008, -3/+14If you have to ask why torture is wrong, you won't understand the answer.
Oh and BTW, ***** you, you piece of *****. - inactive, on 01/04/2008, -2/+135 DEFERMENTS, 3 DUIs, A SHOT LAWYER, HIGH TREASON, and TORTURE
"Family Values" - Acewrap, on 01/04/2008, -0/+11Would you spam Digg with the same comment over and over if you knew it would annoy people? Terri84 would.
- GeneralFault, on 01/04/2008, -0/+10What if by torturing these people to find some members of your family, you were only creating the situation that allowed other people (feeling empathy for those you are torturing) to come and take the rest of your family? Then the answer is a clear and resounding NO don't torture!
It's not about "saving face". Nor is it about "doing what's right" in a moral authority kind of way. It is about creating a world where neither terrorism or torture is used or effective. This cannot be done while we torture or terrorize anyone... even when we totrure or terrorize terrorists. - Dylson, on 01/04/2008, -4/+13Dick Cheney pisses me off.
- gthrank, on 01/04/2008, -0/+9No.
- staticoranges, on 01/04/2008, -3/+12Not to mention he shot somebody in the face.
- inactive, on 01/04/2008, -0/+9You would be wasting your time. Torture does not work.
- BoneheadFarker, on 01/04/2008, -0/+8Will you idiots who keep on refering to each other as libtards or retardlicans please stop the name calling and realise that you're all in the same boat getting ***** by the ruling elite. They're all the same. The only differences that exists are the ones you divide yourselves by...
- bsdboy, on 01/04/2008, -1/+9He _has_ a heart? Buried as incorrect :-)
- Terr01, on 01/04/2008, -0/+8... What the hell are you talking about? Authorizing a fire?
- an0nymous, on 01/04/2008, -0/+7I am pretty sure you just made retardlicans up. Libtard is by fair the most common. The funny thing is that the people using it have no idea how it makes them look.
They just think "zing!".
That's the really funny part. - mulling, on 01/04/2008, -0/+7You're right, liberals who care deeply about human rights would totally support torture if a democrat was doing it...?
- iainc, on 01/04/2008, -0/+7Dirty Dick, the Dark Lord of Washington.
- pepperpotts, on 01/04/2008, -4/+10Dirty Dick Cheney. A rolemodel to thugs around the globe.
- tHePeOPle, on 01/04/2008, -0/+6Sometimes I still have trouble believing that there are still people on the internet who think that typing in ALL CAPS will actually accomplish anything but a down mod and public ridicule.
- danarama, on 01/04/2008, -0/+6***** innocent men and women who know nothing except the fact that they had a shovel and a cell phone in their house that was just raided get tortured into saying they're terrorists. this happens ALL THE TIME! There's soldiers and guards that admitted 90% of the people they arrest and 'render' did nothing and know nothing. They're just in the way and are being used to fill up these prisons the usa are building all over the world especially in iraq .
- ChaosMotor, on 01/04/2008, -0/+6In short, get smart, not tough. If you are tough and not smart you are a bully.
- CrackyJSquirrel, on 01/04/2008, -1/+7Caps lock makes your point so much more valid.
- hydrodev, on 01/04/2008, -0/+6just because someone does not like Cheney or Bush does not make them a liberal. You are a ***** moron if you really think people can be ONLY one of two things. Conservative or Liberal. And if you think only a liberal has a problem with either of them Your an even bigger moron. If you ask me, anyone making a comment regarding a Liberal or Conservative should be shot in the stomach.
You are a worthless POSER. People the likes of you are what is wrong with this country. And you all will be its downfall. Period - jgzman, on 01/04/2008, -0/+6Actually, most evil, hateful warmongering countries torture.
Now, do you want to include the USA in that group? I don't. - Feralvision, on 01/04/2008, -0/+5Ahhhh the official vice president of torture, an idiot who condones waterboarding as a "no brainer".
- GeneralFault, on 01/04/2008, -2/+7Damn girl... get a hold of those meds and drop that all case crap. Hell, I even agree with you (mostly) but nobody likes to be screamed at. I am very tempted to block you.
- ChaosMotor, on 01/04/2008, -0/+5But moooo-oooom, why CAN'T I use torture? Jimmy's mom lets HIM torture insurgents! Billy's mom lets HIM torture suspected terrorists! Mooo-ooom, all the other kids are doing it! They're all going to say I'm a dork if I can't torture people... waaaaahhhh
- inactive, on 01/04/2008, -1/+6Actually dumbass, torture doesn't produce trustworthy information.
As many many many people have pointed out (you must have missed it), you will say ANYTHING to stop the torture.
You will say anything you even THINK your captors may want to hear.
And eventually you will admit to crimes you didn't commit.
Geez, retard, ***** like that happens with standard police interrogation.
Through a power drill in the mix and forget about it.
But kudos to you for showing off what you think you know. - GeneralFault, on 01/04/2008, -0/+5And a fortune made by raising sales taxes to pay for a stadium built on land obtained through eminent domain (at about 1/6th the lands court determined value), then sold for a profit at the tax payers expense.
- 2trkpony, on 01/05/2008, -1/+5With a DICK and a BUSH in the 'white house', you can be rest assured everyone's getting *****.
- inactive, on 01/04/2008, -0/+4The Barbarians used them against the Romans too with great success - they are very effective and require almost nothing in resources relative to the opposition.
- GeneralFault, on 01/04/2008, -1/+5Of course we do! I don't even know where to start in correcting your assumption here. But killing a thousand people "in revenge" for the deaths of human rights workers is just going to lead to the deaths of more human rights workers. We must use whatever influence we can to stop others from violating human rights, but we cannot violate them ourselves for those means. That simply would be negative progress.
- hydrodev, on 01/04/2008, -0/+4WOW! People like you still exist? Wow.
- GeneralFault, on 01/04/2008, -0/+4Im all for extraordinary rendition to secret prisons in countries that explicitly allow torture... just so long as it was ordered by a democrat. Oh, and Habeas Corpus is only important if there is a Republican in office. I'm positive that I don't mind if Clinton listened to my phone calls (ignore all of my earlier rants about that), but Bush is another story. Or, perhaps you, goblue, just don't understand why these are really issues to us and why we have decided to side against the Republican party on these topics.
- ChaosMotor, on 01/04/2008, -0/+4One of the complaints by the British against the American forces during the Revolution was that they didn't wear uniforms and didn't stand in acceptable lines for battle, but attacked when they could find an advantage and disappeared afterwards. Modern day "insurgents" are using the same tactics developed by America's forefathers to gain our independence. Dummy.
- GeneralFault, on 01/04/2008, -0/+4I like "moonbat". For some reason it reminds me of some senile old man waving a stick at thin air cussing out a person in "old-fart-speak" that is not there. Funny image.
- GeneralFault, on 01/04/2008, -0/+4And a while ago it was woow, then something like wvvw and at some point it was iooi or something like that. Yeah, this guy is easy to spot and has had dozens (at least) of accounts here.
- a1lostnomad, on 01/04/2008, -0/+4I don't understand the reasoning behind physical torture & humiliation. If there is someone that has valuable intel (and your fairly sure they about that) why not just drug them? Isn't creating a little controlled world for the suspect and then manipulating it the standard protocol... hallucinogens could be a non-violent way of getting the suspect out of their world and into the interrogator's.
- GeneralFault, on 01/04/2008, -0/+4None that we respect and certainly none that we would like to model our techniques after.
Of course if you like those countries, you are free to move there... but I suspect that you will be wise and not even visit those dangerous hateful places. -
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