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- sharpfork, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17The Bush administration and GOP tend to count on the extraordinarily short memory of the American public instead of dealing with failures of leadership. For this particular failure, anniversaries are a bitch. The "liberal media" will be full of reports on what kind of promises were made and the continuing impotence and failure the GOP has shown in dealing with this disaster while controlling power in Washington. The American public will remember for a bit. Will they remember in November is the big question.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14This mess was a failure from nagin up to bush. The simple fact that nagin had hundreds of buses that could have been used to get people out and FAILED to use them, and that the Governor of the state failed to act, and that fema was not as flexible as required is shameful for all of them. The next state over was hit just as hard, yet didn't have the same problems.
In my opinion, if we fail to learn the real lessons from this disaster and simply use it for political gain, we will be doomed to repeat this. I also think that the time line started too late. It should have started with the billions wasted on the shoddy construction of the levees. This event had been predicted decades ago and NOBODY paid attention. - PantherX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I bet they spend a lot of time, effort and money trying to make it look like they actually spend time, effort and money on other things.
- sharpfork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Can you explain or point to a URL that reflects what you think is going on instead of just floating a big STFU?
- triplehelix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14was that supposed to be some kind of commentary wrapped in the funny?
missed your mark. with me at least. - The_Wallbanger, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12The actual timeline:
http://www.thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline - flernk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Very biased, but exceptionally accurate.
- TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Aw, the timeline says nothing about rebuilding New Orleans as a Chocolate City. =/. No digg.
- jlbraun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8They missed:
"September 7 - Units of the NOPD and loaned officers from the CA Highway Patrol begin confiscating firearms from law-abiding citizens and ejecting them from their undamaged homes. Patricia Konie, an elderly woman with a lawfully owned revolver, is brutally slammed into a wall and the floor as the police confiscate her gun and remove her from her home."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qx0cTze0M - silenceHR, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10i guess people living there will remember.
- tomboy501, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@ranger1988
I remember seeing a comments post of yours along the same lines at another site recently. I replied to you the same as I will now:
For one thing, other parts of Louisiana and Mississippi didn't have tens of thousands of their citizens literally trapped and packed in horrific squallor in a stadium for days on end. This became a national disaster almost immediately - that's when the Feds are supposed to step in.
Why didn't Bush -or anyone in some sort of command in his administration- order food and water drops over the Superdome at some point? Why were there shoot-on-sight orders in an American city circa 2005? Why were hospitals and care homes throughout New Orleans and it's parishes literally abandoned by the government and left on their own? And now, all we hear about is the millions of dollars that have been swindled out of FEMA by the oppurtunistic preying upon a poorly run government agency. These things are Bush's responsibility. It's his house right now.
New Orleans may have been flawed in many ways, it's State and local government corrupt and ineffectual...but it was a thriving metropolitan city at this time last year. Every large american city screws with their budget and their allocation of money from the feds for infrastructure. New Orleans became accountable for that in the worst possible way.
I don't think that the media or anyone is giving state and local "a pass". But, they were in way over their heads after New Orleans went underwater. The tragedy is the example set by the Feds once it was in their hands. - patientzero, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I think this is what you were trying to say, but didn't:
A government with an incompetent moron at the helm was responsible for the levees, and thus they were never appropriately upgraded or maintained.
A government exerted control of evacuation, after the hurricane hit instead of preemtively, which is unusual considering action they've taken with other issues. They resorted to penning people in a stadium where they didn't want to be, because the conditions were made unlivable by their lack of preparation.
Then there is the psychological damage that big government causes; and this is the "biggest" Republican government that was ever envisioned by the party's architects.
Some of the inhabitants still down there rightfully believe it is government's job to save them. They feel powerless to improve their lot without the "strong arm of the United States government." They, for the most part, are correct in believing that. This was, arguably, one of the most severe disasters in the past century of this country's history
This government is the only one that will break your legs, eat birthday cake with John McCain, hold photo ops, watch some baseball, play some riffs with Mark Willis, survey your wounds from a comfy seat in Air Force one, catch a Broadway show, travel to the US Open, spend a few thousand on shoes from a fancy 5th Ave store, finally "learn" of your condition, give you a pair of crutches one piece at a time, and then say "See? Without us you couldn't walk!"
I agree completely. - Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I always love how the Bush administration keeps talking about "accountability" but apparently that term never applies to them. Let me introduce a new word for the administration, "hypocrisy".
Katrina was a national disgrace. It's unbelievable that the world's remainding superpower can be so incompetent when it comes to protecting its own people from a hurricane that was predicted days in advance. If Bush couldn't protect those 1,300 people who lost their lives in Katrina, with all the forecasts and warning (yes, we had a ton of warning. Remember the recordings of the meetings in which Michael Brown voiced his concerns?), can we trust him to protect us from the terrorists, who strike with no warning? Accountability time. Impeach the useless *****. - Ranger1988, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9What did your local government do to protect the citizens of New Orleans?
How hard did your state politicians work to get the levees up to snuff and how much money have they taken from the federal government over the years to do it?
I am amazed at how devastated other parts of the gulf coast were, yet we hear nothing about their plight. Why does the "drive by media" give the state and local politicians a pass? - flernk, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11I see, you're concerned about "basic, well known" facts. If that were actually the case, you would be up in arms against this administration.
But, no, you're just nit-picking. - jlbraun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Oh, and one more thing - they BROKE HER GODDAMN SHOULDER so badly she required SURGERY AND MONTHS OF PHYSICAL THERAPY.
- helix400, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Nailed it. Although, I'd also add that people who stayed behind to ride out the storm despite countless dire warnings bear some responsibliity too.
Relying on the government instead of ourselves to provide help in a disaster usually results in failure. - DJShay, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7What category the hurricane was when it made landfall is really of no consequence now. The damage has been done. Correcting to a 3 from a 4 doesn't make the disaster any worse. It was downgraded after the fact. The FACT is, this administration was fiddling while Rome burned. There was an interview with a professor in the Spike Lee doc and he said something very telling. The government will spend the money on things that it thinks are important. Obviously the citizens of the Gulf Coast just aren't important enough.
- leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6only one person really uses the term "drive by media". which shows us that everything you know about katrina comes from rush. you know nothing.
- nikebud, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6found it:
Barbara Bush:
"And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly) is working very well for them." - nikebud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2read the times-picayune at nola.com or try to get through poppy z. brite's livejournal: www.poppyzbrite.com . you might get a clue about the 'reconstruction' and how K has never ended for any of them. post-K is almost worse now, than it it was when they moved back home
- RenZ87, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@helix
Rumsfeld has no authority on FEMA nor the coordination for the relief and support in regards to Katrina. But Rumsfeld is part of the Bush administration. This fact shows the incompetence and negligence of the entire Bush administration towards the response to hurricane Katrina. No one cared. No one paid attention. - Nonleg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sure, sharp, hit NOLA.COM, they've got it all. They worked out of my building in Baton Rouge temporarily.
You outsiders have *no* idea how incompetent and inept local, parish, and state officials are. Besides the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries, agencies in and of themselves in the state played Huey Long politics, and always will.
Displaced residents? Folks, by and large these are *still* people that don't have jobs, wherever they are. For every good story of a cook from a roadside boudin shack making good in Atlanta, there are fifty Magnolia screwups running around screaming "ya hurrrrd me" in cities throughout the south.
I have an idea, why don't you send a letter to Houston officials and ask to take in a family (and all 17 cousins) for six months? My sister would sure like to be rid of them. - Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Doesn't the Department of Defense suppose to work with FEMA during emergencies?
Also, the White House has an agenda too, believe it or not. - EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@dodge666666
Why so ronery? - helix400, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@RenZ87,
That's the dumbest logic I've ever heard. You essentially said this:
1) Rumsfeld lawfully cannot get involved with FEMA
2) Rumsfeld is part of the Bush administration
3) The Bush adminstration should be involved.
4) Therefore, Rumsfeld should share the blame with the Bush administration. And Rumsfeld going to a baseball game proved Bush himself didn't care.
Oh well. Why should I even try in these threads? People are so absurdly partisan here that they can't get over the fact that Rumsfeld going to a baseball game has no relation at all to the government response to Katrina. Yet, instead of conceding one mistake in that list, others try to defend this with contorted logic, or just simply mod down my posts and mod up anybody who disagrees. It's like I've walked into a childish game of cops and robbers. "I shot you!" "No you didn't" "Yes I did, I can prove it!" "No, you're wrong! Argh!" This argument is no better. It's hit an obnoxiously childish dead end. - bluehensam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Whoa! Kind of scary how quickly you jumped on flernk. Not wise to eat your young.
- helix400, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4So, you don't like Malkin's opinions submitted to the opinion section, or her generalizations of facts. So you bury her as spam. But you have no problem blaming Rumsfeld for the Katriana mess, even you you admitted he cannot lawfully get involved.
Your brand of partisanship destroys America. - blapierre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3http://mikesnoise.typepad.com/noisepage/images/no_bus_fleet.jpg
^^^^^ Good work Nagin!!
You put those buses to good use! - SyDIGG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The left provides the timeline of their own reality. Too bad it does not match the actual timeline.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Being born and raised in Florida, I find this Katrina angle very odd. We lived in Hollywood when hurricane Donna came through. It was a cat. 4 and did extensive damage. When it was over, everyone got down to the business of cleaning up the mess. The thought that the government had some responsibility in this never crossed our minds. Our property, our mess, our clean-up. Even if blaming the government made any sense whatsoever, it seems the local government is what failed here. Ray Nagin and Katherine Blanco failed miserably to do what they were elected to do. I hope the federal government never gains the authority to be responsible for my personal life and property. No, the hurricane was not a Bush conspiracy to get rid of the population of New Orleans. It was a lesson in how people no longer take personal responsibility because they've been publicly enabled to blame someone else, i.e. the government.
- infra172, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Timeline:
A category 5 hurricane approaches New Orleans
A bunch of people evacuate
Hurricane hits New Orleans and floods it. Mayor does nothing.
Dumbasses who didn't leave a city that's below sea level before a hurricane hit, blame Bush.
Dumbasses reelect idiot mayor. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How about instead of blaiming the government, the PEOPLE OF NEW ORLEANS REBUILD NEW ORLEANS.
- tofuoni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's a pretty biased timeline, but I guess nobody cares. If you put a point on the timeline that says, "at this time Bush *didn't* do something" ok, that's fine. Now put a point on the timeline that says, "at this time, Nagin didn't do something."
See, it's biased because they only have points on the timeline where they feel that Bush dropped the ball, but they don't really criticize nagin at all.
Nagin ignored recommendations from his own emergency exercise (hurricane Pam) conducted one year before Katrina. Nagin failed to impliment his own city's evaculation plan. Nagin's only attempt to be proactive was to put people in the superdome - and he didn't really plan beyond that. It would have been really proactive of him to get some of those school busses moving.
But anyway the point is, the timeline is biased. Why am I not surprised? - Mardala, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't understand why people are digging you down. Wamzlee raises a good point about FEMA. If you do a little research, in fact it takes very little, google 'FEMA before Bush', you will soon find that the current state of FEMA is a failure bogged down in federal red tape. FEMA prior to our current president was more locally run and thus responded to local disasters.
Katrina was a natural disaster. Not everyone is going to be mobile. And what do you do when you have no where to go, no job, no money. This is where the government HAS to step in and provide some assistance. In fact its a sign of a healthy society when the citizens are taken care of. When the UN can step in and say the US failed us in Katrina something is wrong. I just wish people would wake up and realise our current administration is seriously flawed. - SyDIGG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Very biased, but exceptionally accurate."
That sounds familiar ...
Fake but accurate. - jabster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Another timeline:
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/04/katrina-response-timeline/
ThinkProgress is counteracting the spin with more spin.
-john - ko4u2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"it was a thriving metropolitan city". Bulls**t. I have lived in and around New Orleans since the eary 70's. New Orleans hasn't been thriving since the 50's. Corruption on all levels
has driven business away for the past 50 years. - leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I think it is to give you a broader picture of how this administration spends its average Monday. Besides, it is one line in a story of thousands; Weight it that way.
- RenZ87, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I never suggested Rumsfeld was to blame, and I don't believe anyone has. The Bush admistration is to blame for its incompetence
- flernk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@corporate70
You clearly didn't even read the link. Your comments look ridiculous in light of the timeline. EVERYONE failed in Katrina. Local, national, democrat, republican, Katrina was a national embarrassment. - flernk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Do any of you actually know what the word BIASED means? LOOK IT UP.
Sheesh! - flernk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Oh my gosh guys, check my profile before accusing me of being a FoxNews wingnut.
Please, look up the definition of the word "biased." - Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3One thing pisses me off about FEMA, its not that they didn't help good enough in New Orleans, but its the fact that they chose to ignore all the Tornado victims in Wisconsin and Iowa. Yes...when Tornados devestated suburbs in Iowa City and cities in Wisconsin, FEMA provided no help at all, because "New Orleans" was the more publicly eyed problem. While all the people in New Orleans bitch about not getting more money to rebuild their homes, there are people who don't get any money at all.
- leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1technology could have protected new orleans with better levees
technology could have coordinated response teams better - palladin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Rockey, is that you?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2flernk: "Very biased, but exceptionally accurate."
So, uh, it's biased towards the TRUTH!?
I'm pretty sure you represent all that is insane about the current political climate in America, perpetuated by the "fair and balanced" approach to reporting the news that seems to ignore that, when truth and facts are involved, you cannot and must not try to balance it out with lies.
That single line, "fair and balanced", has made this country less rational and more dumb. - DMCrawford, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1How about instead of spin and PR blitzes, the Bush Administration work hard to rebuild NOLA? That would most help the displaced residents and help the city get back on its feet. It may also help the GOP be seen as doers rather than spinners. But, then again NOLA is a heavily Democratic city and having the citizens of the city spread out across the country gives the GOP a better chance at winning statewide offices and the state during the 2008 presidential election.
- kuzotz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You can't sit there adn blame people for not leaving. IF you barely made a living paycheck to paycheck then you wouldn't leave.
Hell most of their employers threatened to fire them, and there was a chance it would blow over. SO if it blew over and they left. They were left ***** homeless.
Either way they were screwed. For you to sit here and ***** tell me we are wasting our ***** money by paying taxes to the Federal Government. Its our individual responsibility to pay taxes and get nothing from it. - bluehensam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0AMEN, sonofdy!
Also, anyone who cares about Katrina should read Rising Tide and All The Kings Men, if they haven't already. -
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