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- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+37Lies will get you a promotion, truth will get you rebuked, or even fired.
Welcome you OUR government. Where up is down, right is left and wrong is right. - edverb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+32It sickens me that my tax dollars pay Karl Rove's salary.
We're paying a guy to wake up every morning and figure out clever new ways to ***** the American people -- subverting justice, rigging elections, smearing war veterans, and betraying undercover intelligence professionals. Sadly, he is the one person in the White House who is competent at his job. - ChessPieceFace, on 10/11/2007, -1/+25FTA: "The White House's former political director was furious at Justice Department officials for disclosing to Congress that the administration had forced out the U.S. attorney in Little Rock, Ark., to make way for a protege of Karl Rove, President Bush's political adviser, according to documents released late Tuesday."
Darn them for trying to tell the truth. - fancypantscz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21It is clear to me that the Bush administration places the interests of the Republican party (and here I mean a group of career politicians) ahead of the best interests of the nation. Given the chance many Democrats would probably do the same. How and why do we continue to allow our representatives to place private interest groups and the success of their political parties above the welfare of our nation and its citizens?
We settle for the lesser of two evils instead of standing up for our true convictions. We wrongfully assume that our two party system is a zero-sum game and that if the other party loses everyone else automatically wins. We allow party loyalty and prejudice to taint our perceptions of the state of the nation. We even trust television executives to control every aspect of the presidential debates including the 'issues' that many of us will use to select our favored candidates. These executives are in positions of power because they can deliver predictable ratings not because of their sense of civic duty.
As successful as TV execs. have been at selling presidential elections as simply another Super bowl, the fact of the matter is that simply cheering for the home teem is not enough to make a better American, preserve your liberties, or even keep criminals out of the White House.
Television and other broadcast media has done a huge disservice to American democracy and no longer deserves its privileged position of being the our window on the world. The Bush administration and Karl Rove in particular have taught me that when too few people control the dissemination of information it is quite easy to confuse a nation about what is up, down, left, and right so long as long as it is clear that it is always the other side that is wrong. - ButterBuddha, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Worst Administration Ever
- Groovemaster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16"How and why do we continue to allow our representatives to place private interest groups and the success of their political parties above the welfare of our nation and its citizens?"
Because majority public opinion is irrelevent to the government, complaining and petitioning gets zero results, and the only other option available to the people - revolution - would result in the imprisonment and/or deaths of thousands of dissenters.
In other words, the system is set up so that the elite win and everyone else loses. - fancypantscz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12@groovemaster
If the majority of Americans took responsibility for the freedoms granted to them by our government they would not have been usurped by the federal bureaucrats and corporations.
Average people are manipulated by disinformation, propaganda, and media blackouts on rather significant issues by the main stream media, including those having to do with wars, corporate governance, international trade, and covert foreign affairs. I think people tend to forget that our right to pursue life, liberty and happiness is only written on a piece of paper and it is our job as a society to work together to make sure that paper means something to the people in power.
HEY! The system is set up so that the elite win when the Americans don't take responsibility for their communities and make a point of educating themselves about the larger world around them and act together to defend and promote their interests. Everyone would win if they took the time and energy to go out and meet their next door neighbor, sit down and talk about what they think are the most important issues in their community, choose a couple that mattered to them all, and worked together to accomplish something.
But that is not what is happening. People would rather sit and let TV tell them how to spend their time and money. And that is how the elite get power. The vast majority of powerful elites are rich because they are attached to some insinuation (government, corporation, church, whatever) that gets a little money from a lot of people. That means that actually the little people are in charge of who gets rich and powerful. Its just that they would rather stay on the couch and let savvy marketing and political campaigns shape their value system instead of thinking for themselves about what their real interests actually are. Those savvy marketing and political campaigns are paid for by the elite. So, is it any wonder that they happen to stay in power and life gets a little worse for the rest as a result?
Fortunately the revolution has already started right here on the interwebs. Our financial markets are highly sensitive to changes in consumer spending. It will only take a small percentage of consumers to educate themselves about their own interests, learn about the products offered in the marketplace, and vote with their dollars. Government will take longer to change and so everyone should stand on what ever convictions they have and vote their conscience. As soon as we stop settling for the lesser of two evils the sooner we will get government that is not evil. - ZWarren69, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11These men are all scoundrels and crooks!
- venicerocco, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10We are the Republican Empire. The only individuals free enough to tell the truth without risking a beheading are the jesters.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Whistleblowers need to have statues erected in their honor. Companies should hire most of these people as a sign that they value ethics over illegal advantage. But nooooooooooooo, because everyone wants their side to get ahead and don't want someone to snitch on THEIR activities, they weaken the protection laws and punish people for doing the right thing.
- rcook18, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7These are rats and at some point this ship is going to take on water. It is not too late and you can help by telling your congress people that you want these subpoenas obeyed. Don't whine and bemoan -- become active.
- tucsonwc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8But it is also KEY to understand WHY Rove did this.
He wants to have this guy in place in case Hilary Clinton becomes the democratic nominee or worse still the president.
Then he will have a operative to dig dig dig a la Ken Starr to try and destroy the Clinton's again.
This is his version of a IED. Putting your own political operative in the justice position with access to state documents to troll for stuff to smear the Clintons with. He wants to be assured of disrupting any adminstration she might have with the fear of lawsuit and investigation. Not about what is right for the country, but what gets his guy in office and blocking progress of anyone else who is NOT republican. - SgtBlue, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7The reason people say that the system is set up so that "the elite" win is because "the elite" are the ones who play the system and look out for themselves, while "the abused" merely rely on the government to handle it for them and try to neglect their role in government as much as possible. I mean really, the US still has a voter turnout of less than half the total eligible population. Hello people! What do you think that tells you? You can't expect the average human in power to be a saint and naturally look out for the good of the people, it simply isn't human nature. The citizens of the US need to actively keep the people directly in power IN LINE, and that just isn't happening right now.
Corruption like this won't be fixed until people stop pointing fingers and actually take action en masse. - dinostabOMG, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@fancypantsfcz
In our latest case, it seems that we have settled for the greater of two evils. - cjhowe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@fancypantscz
"If the majority of Americans took responsibility for the freedoms granted to them by our government they would not have been usurped by the federal bureaucrats and corporations."
Not to distract from your line of thought, but...
Our freedoms are granted to us by our Creator. WE, the People grant our government certain powers. WE are the granters, not the government. When WE open our eyes and realize that it is not the government doing it to us, but us doing it to ourselves through the government, WE will enjoy our freedoms once again. This is true in ALL societies, not just American. These truths are self evident. WE simply choose to ignore them. - 13east, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6The audacity of this administration is astounding... at every turn they break the laws they were assigned to protect and than when caught red-handed they lie through their teeth. Can we please find the idiots that voted for these corrupt morons and just shoot them? I only say this because these same idiots will vote for the next generation of morons who will further ***** up the world for their own benefits.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5They have been breaking the law with our consent for so long that it doesn't matter to them now that we are mad... They've gotten away with so much that it's almost comical to them at this point how angry we are.
I hate to say it's too late, but it sort of looks that way. - fancypantscz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@cjhowe
Your comment is no distraction at all. "When WE open our eyes and realize that it is not the government doing it to us, but us doing it to ourselves through the government, WE will enjoy our freedoms once again." I could not have said it better.
But I would go further and say that when we open our eyes as realize that it is not powerful multinational corporations taking advantage of our labor, natural resources, and environments but simply us taking advantage of ourselves through the corporations, we will become empowered economic participants once again.
But perhaps that message is for another thread...
Regardless, we are distracted from both realizations by the vises, marketing, and propaganda perpetuated on television. - satanatnmtedu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Only because they keep getting caught.
It reminds me of a Police song - Murder By Numbers.
"Now you can join the ranks of the illustrious
In history's great dark hall of fame
All our greatest killers were industrious
At least the ones that we all know by name" - ChessPieceFace, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@Terr01 I don't know what the heck happened. When I posted the article it when to the right one. Now it goes to a totally different article. That article was posted yesterday, I posted mine on 1 day 23 hours ago from an article they posted before that. I guess they must of pulled it. That really pisses me off!
- ChessPieceFace, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@Terr01 Apparently I'm not the only one. When I went to Yahoo and searched for "Officials rebuked for disclosing Rove's connection to firing of U.S." the 3rd, 4th and 5th web sites that come up linked to the "new" article, not to the article that I (and presumably they) originally linked to. I think McClatchy pulled the story and put a new one at the same link.
This has never happened to me before. Is it common for news agencies to do this?
If it was inaccurate they should have put something to that effect at that link and not just replace it, as if they never reported it. - amoirae, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Does that mean everyone should do as you say, not do what you do, James?
You're a hypocritical lunatic. - rcook18, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Patience grasshopper.
- DustinR, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Damn I dug this story subconsciously.
- Terr01, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2@ChessPieceFace: WTF are you quoting? I don't see that in TFA!
It's only in the blurb! Did someone post the wrong link? Was the story revised?
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