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- Lebek, on 07/26/2009, -28/+64First off, irrespective of race, there are too many people in this country. We do not need more people. The biggest problem however, is the "anchor baby". If someone is here illegally, then citizenship should not be extended to their offspring.
Employers who employee illegals should be prosecuted to the full extent possible - thereby removing the primary reason that illegals are invading this country. Any illegal found should be promptly deported. A guest worker program will then be needed to regulate those coming here to work. Citizenship by birth should only be extended to individuals born to American citizens or legal immigrants (not to include those here on a guest worker visa).
Additionally, research money should be put into automating agricultural practices which will ultimately reduce our need for cheap foreign labor and create new manufacturing industry for this country. - inactive, on 04/09/2009, -7/+29Pull your dinky head out of your ass. The 'jobs Americans won't do' mantra is crap. These are jobs Americans won't do for peanuts. Pay a fair wage and Americans will swarm to the fields.
- Christianptriot, on 04/09/2009, -18/+36What everyone overlooks in this issue is the real reason the government wants to make them all citizens:
Obama and the feds have just bitten off FAR more than they can chew or force us to swallow in terms of future debt - in the trillions now. How do you pay for that?? MORE taxes.
Except that your universal health care and more handouts for those who don't work actually encourages people who are on welfare to STAY there, and for others to GET there because they will get the same handout whether they work or not under the coming socialist programs.
So who is going to pay for all of this? We need WORKERS whose income can be taxed - illegally, according to some, under our Constitution - to pay for all of this.
But you can't tax the income of the illegal immigrant because they don't claim it. The answer??
MAKE THEM CITIZENS so you can tax them. - ForumDriv, on 04/09/2009, -33/+51From a policy perspective, this is very good news. We get folks in the system, get employers, immigrants and non-immigrants playing by the same set of rules (harder to cheat immigrants means harder to cheat us), while we shrink the haystack to isolate the criminal element hiding in the mass of hard-working immigrant communities.
Obviously we will not deport or otherwise drive out 12,000,000 people, so a realistic plan that acknowledges they need to pay fines or make some sort of amends, but since they are here and staying, let's make sure they and their employers are fully taxed and pulling their weight. If we can reestablish legal immigration, reduce the 7-22 year backlogs for legal visas, and make the black market obsolete for most of the economic migrants our economy employs (within limits, but limits slightly higher than we have now), we will be well on the way towards real border integrity and security, plus a humane way of treating people that makes sure there isn't a secondary labor markets with reduced rights and less accountability.
From a political standpoint, it's a slam dunk. The GOP has been trying the hardline on immigration for three election cycles, resulting in goodbye Dole, goodbye Santorum, goodbye Virgil Goode, goodbye Sen. Allen, etc., etc. (After yesterday the Minutemen are 0-4 in House races). The hardline on immigration can't even win in GOP primaries anymore because folks are tired of politicians talking about problems and then blocking politically viable solutions. The Republicans need to sue for peace.
Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Virginia were among the swing states decided on the record citizenship and voter registration drives amongst legal immigrants offended by the full-frontal attacks on immigration (often disguised as attacks on illegal immigration). Obama and the Dems will need to keep it bipartisan, especially in the Senate, and therefore risk splitting the credit with pro-reform Republicans like McCain, Martinez, Flake, the Diaz-Bahlart bros., Graham, Lugar, maybe Pence, (plus Govs and mayors who want reform).
How can you fix an economy where 1 in 20 working people are not covered by our labor laws? How do legal workers assert their rights in that environment? We have been stuck on unrealistic ideas like mass expulsion for too long, so it is about time we moved on. Count on me Mr. President. - GrodyChamp, on 04/09/2009, -5/+21So jobs are scarce and he wants to to expand the work force by a few million? Brilliant! He thinks they'll start paying taxes now lololololol
- Landthatilove, on 04/09/2009, -21/+35ILLEGAL immigrants. Doing the jobs that Americans would rather starve, than do. Yea. Right.
- edstate, on 04/09/2009, -12/+26According to every study available, these future "citizens" will be a gargantuan negative in terms of tax monies. It is essentially 25+ Million poor, uneducated, mono-lingual families that currently, thankfully, aren't properly "plugged in" to the public dole. Sure, they're supposed "citizen" children are in the schools, slowing down everything for the rest of our kids, and they all go to emergency rooms for healthcare, taking that option of the table for proper citizens and legal immigrants, and some states do give freebies like food stamps to illegal aliens as well. But in all, they don't get the biggies from the feds, not should they. If they're excused for their law-breaking, and given Amnesty, our already severely broken social services will be absolutely overwhelmed.
Remember, they already pay sales taxes... and they're still way, way, way in the negative in terms of contribution. The amount of money they make (based on many, many statistics) put them squarely in the "don't have to pay" bracket of federal and state income tax brackets.
So, in essence, any talk about Amnesty bringing in TAX DOLLARS is a canard. - tomasII, on 04/09/2009, -5/+18What about the next 12-20 million who enter illegally? Just give them amnesty as well?
- Landthatilove, on 04/09/2009, -4/+17You totally missed my point. I'd do it for peanuts if I were out of work and starving. I have more of a right to ANY job than people that are here illegaly.
- porkins21, on 04/09/2009, -4/+15So lame. Let's import millions who need jobs when we already have an unemployment problem. Really, he's importing their votes to shift the country to the point where no parties can compete against democrats. Then that's when he will really start to screw us. Just you wait, folks.
- friday1970, on 04/09/2009, -10/+21But, they do not support legalizing the illegal aliens in the country.
- ForumDriv, on 04/09/2009, -10/+21Every major poll for the last several years has shown a 2 to 1 advantage to any politician willing to put a solution on the table that gets immigrants here illegally into the system.* Politicians have been way out of step with the American people on this. Some politicians still support mass expulsion, but their numbers have fallen with each election. We want practical solutions and an end to politicians talking for years but blocking reforms when to question is called. Obama is starting to call the question.
* here's one taken election day 2008: http://www.immigration08.com/2008/poll/latino_vote - katorga, on 04/09/2009, -7/+17Woohoo, on top of massive bailouts, corporate welfare, forced union concessions, and general pandering to the corporate elites, now they get cheap labor too.
Oh yeah, and our taxes get to go up to pay for all of their services. - swordedge, on 04/09/2009, -23/+32They are illegal... send them home
- inactive, on 04/10/2009, -5/+14These dirty ass licking politiians are literally giving away our birthright and our nation and no measure is too harsh to protect both.
Congress did this Amnesty thing in 1986. AT that time, they PROMISED us they would never do it again, and the fix would solve the illegal immigration problem. They lied.
Over the next 23 years, those same members of Congress turned a deliberate blind eye to millions more illegal aliens regardless of whether the President was an R or D. Here we are again, 23 years later, and they're trying to grant yet another Amnesty. ***** to that.
This isn't about immigrants; it's about the rule of law. If millions of people can simply ignore the law and ultimately be granted Amnesty, then the law doesn't matter.
If people can cross our national borders without permission, or a check on who they are and what they are, then we have no borders. No borders means NO country. It's that simple.
Folks, in regular life, as each of us goes about our normal affairs, we end up standing in line. We stand in line for gasoline, stand in line at supermarkets, stand in line at banks. If someone cuts in line, we have no problem telling them, "the line is back there."
Illegal aliens have cut in line. It is fundamentally unfair to the millions of others seeking to come here, to allow those who cut in line to get a pass. They MUST go to the back of the line. It's simple fairness. - inactive, on 04/09/2009, -19/+27The March unemployment news is Outrageous -- just like it has been every month for the last year.
The official unemployment rate jumped from 8.1% to 8.5%! 663,000 U.S. jobs were eliminated.
There are now 13.2 million Americans looking for a job who can't find even a part-time job.
Yet, many of the nation's richest foundations, most prestigious newspapers and top elected officials continue to call for an increase in foreign workers, which at the moment is 138,000 imported workers arrive in the USA every month!
Even more outrageous is the fact they want to push Amnesty and continue Anchor baby citizenship. With unemployment levels rising to new heights, who then will be able to pay the illegal and unconstitutional taxes to support these newly immigrants and their anchor babies? - NyteStarNyne, on 04/09/2009, -10/+18APPARENTLY EVERYONE HAS A ***** ESSAY OF AN OPINION ON THIS ISSUE.
- edstate, on 04/09/2009, -11/+18"Doing the jobs that Americans would rather starve, than do."... for sweat shop wages.
I finished it for ya :) - tomasII, on 04/09/2009, -14/+21So you think they will be paying taxes. What a laugh, many of them will go immediately onto the welfare rolls and will stay there and perpetuate the cycle of poverty for ever.
- jammies, on 04/09/2009, -43/+52Oh no you don't.......You little bastard, the American people have just about had enough of your dictating to us just who can make any decent living, who has to suffer under your asinine ideas about "fairness", and we're sick and tired of you and your inept set of tax-cheats telling us that it's our fault that the U.S. economy is in the dumps when we all know that corrupt fools like Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, et al., are among the ones really responsible for this mess! Had the continual warnings from responsible economists and experts been heeded, much of the economic disaster in which we find ourselves might have been avoided, or at least lessened in degree from the mess we're in now.
But now an arrogant, inept, and narcissistic "administration" wants to add the granting of American citizenship to illegal aliens to the growing list of dismal failures which have marked the disastrous (and far less than 100) days that he's been sinking the American ship of state?!
This clown can't even master the niceties of social protocol, as evidenced by the incredibly ignorant and inappropriate "gifts" presented to both the British Prime Minister (a set of DVDs that won't play in Europe, and which were given to a man whose very limited vision doesn't even allow him to watch television!) and the even more egregious and insulting "gift" of an iPod to the venerable and very dignified Queen Elizabeth, who is then further insulted by the completely inappropriate "arm around the shoulder" touching by Ms. Obama, and then proper "royal protocol" is violated yet again when Her Majesty is referred to by the vulgar "leader" of the United States when he refers to the Queen as "Your Highness" - the title given to princes and princesses, but NOT to the reigning monarch!
It's high time for this clown to realize that he and his programs, plans and schemes are not what the American people want OR NEED! - katorga, on 04/09/2009, -1/+8Yeah, but I prefer they actually solve problems for CITIZENS before everyone else.
- inactive, on 04/09/2009, -16/+23"Across the four polls on which Gallup has asked this question since the illegal immigration controversy heated up last spring, most Americans have consistently supported the idea of allowing illegal immigrants to become U.S. citizens after meeting certain requirements."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/26875/Public-Still-Supp ... - imarascal, on 04/09/2009, -3/+10Well. the flood gates have opened. Many illegals get paid under the table, no taxes, no social security,but free medical care in the E>R. More money to be sent to Mexico. Employers do not have to kick in their share io. f SS. Free nursing homecare, education for their children, in some states driver'slicenses. Do they have car insurance? Why do I have to pay a premium for uninsured drivers?Six, eight, ten, live in two rooms for low rent, violation of many municpal codes. CRIME....I think it's time we Americans stand up for OUR CIVIL RIGHTS! My mother worked 'til age 70 and whenshe needed nursing home care we had to produce 3years of checking and bank account statements, cash in life insurance policies ..She died 4 days after approval forMedicade in NJ and the insurance value of $15,00.00 was reduced to $6,000.00 it's cash surender value. NOHABLA ENGLISH nursing home FREE,
- PopcornDave, on 04/10/2009, -0/+7So why is it that we actually have borders or border enforcement? If we're going to basically grant amnesty to people violating our immigration laws every 10 to 15 years why do we even have an immigration and naturalization department?
I agree that there's no way that you can round up and deport 12 million people, but to keep rewarding people who don't obey your laws sets a bad precedent that could wind up being used against other laws by a smart lawyer. - bmcnally, on 04/10/2009, -2/+8Um . . . you do realize that that influx would then need to be taken care of via Social Security?
- felman87, on 04/09/2009, -7/+13(Sorry for the double post - I went over the time limit for editing)
No problem. It gives me the satisfaction of burying you twice. ^_^ - dougbell, on 04/10/2009, -2/+8Great Idea! Let's add 30 million people to the work force when real unemployment is hovering around 15%.
- kalvinb, on 04/09/2009, -10/+16Go home. Come back through the proper channels.
You don't have to deport the illegals. You stop providing them with special privilages and they'll leave on their own.
They should at best be treated the same as foreigners. That's fine that you're here but you have to provide legal documents from your home country to get public services and a job.
After the employer sanctions law went into effect in AZ a lot of illegals took it upon themselves to leave. - dreamache, on 04/09/2009, -2/+8"CHANGE", as in change for the worse, yeah.
- edstate, on 04/09/2009, -15/+20Your'e right. This is all political. 25+ million lifetime democrats in one fell swoop. Damn, that would be insane, and very difficult to do since the vast majority of American people understand the need to enforce our laws, protect our borders and more importantly protect our citizens. It'll be a hard, uphill, popularity-killing slog for the big O. But it sounds like you're volunteering to help! So I'm sure he'll succeed in completely and utterly ruining the country. Yay, you.
Oh, and by the way, your little "facts" are laughably inaccurate. You should just pull out the 'ol "racist" card now, and get it over with. - edstate, on 04/09/2009, -21/+26This has GOT to be a political bone to the Amnesty lobby. Even without this economic environment, the American (citizen) public was vastly opposed to any whiff of Amnesty. Now, the numbers against have skyrocketed. We live in an era of populist "economic fairness", and gifting Amnesty to 25+ million line jumpers / social service leeches and their families, not to mention their profit-mongering employers, is a fools errand. He may as well go after the windmills while he's at it.
- Occidentalist, on 04/10/2009, -0/+5The name of the game is population replacement:
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Peter_Brimelow_a ... - ericdano, on 04/10/2009, -0/+5Great idea. Lets tax them while we are at it!
- DesertDad, on 04/09/2009, -25/+30Dear President Obama,
Our nation holds paramount equal treatment under the law. My principal question is, what federal laws may I break so that I am rewarded with amnesty to the tune of $18,000 per year?
That would bring me parity with the estimated costs to society of illegal aliens. These are in health, education and related social benefits. Oh, and the approximately 30 percent of our prison population which is comprised of some of these aliens. Seems part of the cost is borne by victims who are assaulted by aliens doing the crimes Americans just won’t do.
I’ll even give you a bargain. As a small business owner, my real and opportunity costs to comply with federal statutes and regulations are substantial. These are not taxes, they are non-deductible costs I incur to comply with federal law. My daughter’s chronic medical condition and my own heart condition also incur substantial expenses. Regarding our health, my family is uninsurable due to these conditions. We have never received assistance under any state or federal programs.
All of these costs come to something over $27,000 per year. So, when you give me my amnesty and my $18,000 per year, you will fall short of my expenses by approximately $9,000. Since you are wise in the ways of federal accounting, you can inform your constituents that you have in fact saved $9,000 per year, in addition to the moral claim of having granted me amnesty.
It will be appropriate to consider that in fairness my children should be due anchor amnesty. This from the fact that they still will be my dependents when you soon grant me amnesty. If you delay, well, my daughter will always be my dependent.
Considering possible delays, especially since fellow citizens will have their own tailored amnesty petitions, I understand if you need to charter a Federal Amnesty Commission. That is sure to renew respect for and compliance with the laws you draft. Any shortfall in compliance, up to say, twelve million offenses, you could graciously accept as appropriate civil disobedience. After all, that would assure you more press time as we enter this latest election cycle.
You are wise also in federal laws which may be broken with no consequence. I am too busy supporting my family, you, and the twelve million scofflaws and their employers to understand such matters, so I need your guidance. You know where I live, my drivers license number, my social security number, my bank and credit account numbers, as well as my email, internet service provider, taxpayer identification number, mortgage holder, business licenses and telephone numbers.
Please contact me soon. Given the rising medical and other costs, I need that $18,000 quickly. It’s only fair.
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I sent that to Congress (specifically Kennedy & McCain) back when S1348 was in consideration. Looks like I'll have to send it out again, this time with the One as the principal recipient. Apparently this is one aspect of the eternal vigilance, eternal struggle concept of protecting the Constitution and the Republic. - dreamache, on 04/10/2009, -4/+9What is it with most of your diggers responding to this article? I mean, I know for the most part that more often than not this site's demographics fall overwhelmingly to the left, but this seems way overboard and I see anti-immigration comments being dugg down.
In a time which the economy is struggling as it is now, you guys mean to tell me that you're in favor of bringing in immigrants? How exactly is this going to help our economy? Please, those of you who are in support of this, tell me how this will help.. Hit that "Reply" button now. - cliffzdude, on 04/09/2009, -4/+9Won't anybody recognize the gorilla in the room? This is a play for future votes for the Democratic party. Hispanics are voting largely Democratic, and 12million newly legalized and soon to be citizens will then vote even more Democratic.
Sure, it's all about right and wrong, about being good to our fellow man, sure it'll improve the economy (that one eludes me but, whatever) and we can continue with the ***** until the cows come home. But the reality is, its about ***** votes, and political power, and influence. And if you have your head stuck too far up your ass to admit it, then we're ***** as a country because politicians have won. - WasabiBomb, on 04/09/2009, -5/+9How's that ***** taco tasting?
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?vide ... - methdwman3, on 04/10/2009, -6/+10What about all the people doing the right (and legal) thing and waiting in line to get citizenship? Will they be pushed back even further because all the currently here illegal all of a sudden gain citizenship?
Seems like rewarding bad behavior, which is an ugly trend growing in this country. - novaculus, on 04/09/2009, -14/+18
If anything, their obscenely massive spending by Obama and the Democrats establishes their utter disregard of the long-term consequences.
The real agenda here is votes. They are attempting to create what they believe could be a permanent majority by massively expanding government spending and regulation, and thereby dependency on government, and by changing the demographics of the electorate. To do so they are willing to do anything, including incurring multi-TRILLION dollar deficits and welcoming with open arms people whose first act on our soil was to violate our laws. (Thereby encouraging untold others to do the same. Of course, that helps too; it should be much easier to pass amnesty Parte Deux.)
They plan to expand the electorate by including illegals, making them eligible for government welfare and benefits, and buying their votes by doing so, If they can create a permanent majority within the electorate of voters dependent on government welfare, it won't matter if they destroy the economy in the process. They will continue to be elected, and we will have "evolved" into the European Socialist model. - akchrs, on 04/09/2009, -13/+17Someone illegally smokes pot, they get thrown in jail. Someone enters the US illegally and they jobs, get amnesty, get free healthcare ect. I guess being a stoner really doesn't pay.
- Calamier, on 04/10/2009, -7/+11I'm so sick of the "who will pick our vegetables and clean our toilets argument" - Let me introduce you to 26 MILLION american citizens who are currently drawing unemployment (meaning they are ready and able to do this work)
If we deport all 20 million illegals, we still have 6 million more jobs to find. Now is NOT the time to be giving our jobs to anyone, even the fruit picking, toilet cleaning ones.
Source : http://www.mint.com/blog/finance-core/a-visual-gui ... - GusCrown, on 04/10/2009, -3/+7I would like to comment here, as this type of measurements would affect someone in my position, and maybe it should be considered.
I am Mexican, and my daughter was born in the US. I paid for her birth in cash, it cost me over $6,000 for her to be born in the US, but I think it's worth it. I work in Mexico, and I have never ever milked the US system for some kind of aid for her or myself. I have never worked illegally in the US and I don't plan to.
I know many people in my situation, it is a very common thing to do in the city I live. So I ask you, my daughter doesn't deserve to be an American Citizen by birth?
I'm sorry but to me it just doesn't make sense, but maybe it's just because it affects me directly.
As an added note: There is nothing I want more than to move to the states, I've wanted since ever, but I have decided to wait for an opportunity to do it legaly, and I don't mean a "work visa", I would like to be a full blown tax paying american citizen.
Good day to you all. - nOcoNtrol926, on 04/10/2009, -0/+4i know its ethnocentric, but when dudes drive down the street blasting that crap, well lets just say it reminds me of circus music.
- scheibs14, on 04/10/2009, -0/+4I like turtles
- SacraBos, on 04/10/2009, -2/+5That's not a solution, that's just expanding the Ponzi scheme to a few more million people.
If if you excuse the ones already here, what's to discourage more coming? You'll already proven that they can get away with it, too. - ForumDriv, on 04/10/2009, -0/+3Yes, most working class people don't get insurance and use ERs as their primary care. Not really related to immigration, but rather than hope 12,000,000 people will leave, let's get them in the system so that we know all are paying their fair share of taxes and have labor rights. Leaving them in illegal limbo doesn't help them or us.
- UTKEngineer, on 04/09/2009, -4/+7Shhhhh!!!!!! Stop giving them ideas!!!
- starmanfalls, on 04/09/2009, -1/+4Don't worry about the negative diggs just yet. What you said makes perfect sense. And when diggers with a brain read your post you will be dugg up. I hope.
- nOcoNtrol926, on 04/10/2009, -1/+4yeah... the reason why American's wont do them is because illegals have depressed wages abnormally. Also, for someone who has no job may be willing to work for less but there is potentially an illegal doing that job already. Or you most likely need to know spanish to be hired for a customer service level job which is *****.
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