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- nopRT, on 09/04/2008, -9/+271I'll believe it when I see it...and I'd like to see it.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -17/+144Yeah like Pelosi would tackle the GOP on the same issues...
*****! - aussiejan, on 09/04/2008, -26/+132Maybe Bush and Cheney need to pack their bags and find a friendly country ready to take them in. A country without an extradition treaty with the States.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -5/+52"rescinding the protections that made these war crimes legal in US law"
Obama voted for them. - jeremyduffy, on 09/04/2008, -2/+48No kidding. I'm still waiting for my AT&T immunity filibuster.
- phnx0221, on 09/04/2008, -12/+57Hopefully that means he wouldn't commit the same war crimes were he to be elected. Not to mention, rescinding the protections that made these war crimes legal in US law (of course, completely ignoring international law, even those treaties signed by the US)?
- GrandmaSheila, on 09/04/2008, -13/+57He won't do a thing, it'll all be about "moving beyond this for the sake of the country" as if letting these war criminals & genocidists walk free serves us all.
- BotchaMcCoola, on 09/04/2008, -18/+53Outstanding. Let this be the last military dictatorship ever in the USA.
- Nathan187, on 09/04/2008, -1/+36Great comment.
What happened to these sweeping changes that Pelosi talked about when the Dems took over?
(Is OJ still looking for the real killers?) - kiwiboyus, on 09/04/2008, -1/+28*Sigh* Pro-war folks are sooooo complacent and ready to roll over.
- jehan60188, on 09/04/2008, -3/+29you can replace "Pelosi" with "every politician ever" and that sentence would be just as true
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -3/+27"And what exact proof do you have of this? Come on..."
Have you ever heard of this thing called "Google"? Some people use it to find information:
http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={EBA55617- ...
http://www.knoxviews.com/node/2543
(and hundreds of other hits)
"And for the record, Obama won't investigate Bush/Cheney on war crimes."
While you're busy predicting the future, can you give me next week's lottery numbers? Thanks. - inactive, on 09/04/2008, -4/+28"Simply let them leave, put them out of office in shame and move on."
WTF? No. HELL no. They can't kill a million people and walk away. - Spuy767, on 09/04/2008, -9/+32Just like Pelosi, Obama will tell you waht you want to hear and then show a complete lack of followthrough.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -4/+25You and your facts. Sheesh.
- rmmcclay, on 09/04/2008, -11/+31Regardless if the Obama Administration will bring Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield & Company to trial, History will.
- Zandarrr, on 09/04/2008, -9/+29This might have been groundbreaking back in 2003.
- stonebear, on 09/04/2008, -3/+22Paraguay, actually. The deserter has been building his hideout there for several years now, much of it at taxpayer expense.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -6/+22Lol and if this great investigation turns up nothing but poor intelligence from Iraq and a democratic party that rubber stamped Bush's ability to go to war in the first place, then what? The Democratic Party was sold on the evidence that Bush presented them. This is better judgement? not. Even Bill Clinton was sold on the danger of Iraq back in 1998 when he bombed Iraq declaring clearly and without hesitation that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. Now we know all they had were slingshots. Who exactly is the fool here? The Democratic Party started the checks to fund this war, and never even worked to end them, even now with a majority in the Senate. The stained fingers of the Democratic Party searching for evidence to stain the Republican Party with is a witch hunt and is not for justice but political gain.
- Billistic, on 09/04/2008, -0/+15Yeah it's actually funny how pussy pro war people are.
Meanwhile peaceful protesters are hit and maced in the face. - JoeVet, on 09/04/2008, -1/+16Wow, there are actually people who are pro-war? Obviously they have never experienced war first hand. Must be a republican chickenhawk.
- DonnyBahama, on 09/04/2008, -22/+37With a little luck, maybe throwing several high-level Republicans in jail could shatter the Republican Party for years to come. (Dare to DREAM...)
- HonestAbe, on 09/04/2008, -0/+14*Sigh* Pro-war people are so cowardly and gullible.
- superfusion, on 09/04/2008, -2/+15Ugh -- I agree, but the Daily Kos is doing more to elect McCain than just about anyone.
This can totally be spun as: "Liberals witch hunt against American President who successfully defended us from terror."
Let President Obama decide how to proceed with this. Don't start counting your chickens. - tastypaste, on 09/04/2008, -3/+16All the gay love affairs and the DC madam scandal (who mysteriously committed suicide) and the multitude of other skeletons in the closet of the Repubs haven't convinced their loyal base to stop supporting them yet.
- JasonCox, on 09/04/2008, -2/+14Georgia?
- Daedalus81, on 09/04/2008, -2/+14Like when John Kerry said he would challenge Bush and then just dropped it?
- shipwreck58, on 09/04/2008, -11/+22They are War Criminals and should be tried accordingly. Granted it will never happen but the effort has to be made to at least make the crimes public otherwise the acts of despots become accepted as reasonable.
- charliebucketts, on 09/04/2008, -2/+13Nice double standard YOU have.
The funny part is, that Republicans were getting blow jobs from GUYS. If you have been asleep the last few years, the republicans are supposed to hate queer people. Yet the gay sex scandals kept popping up. - stone2020, on 09/04/2008, -3/+14Texas.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -5/+16Yes, because we all know that it's only the Republicans that are dirty and dishonest.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -0/+10Iraq/Afghanistan since they are free and liberated now.
The Americans are welcome there with open arms, I hear. - shig, on 09/04/2008, -1/+10He's been enabling Bush's crimes since he took the oath of office (FISA, war funding, etc).
You aren't going to see it, and if he gets elected, you'll never see it coming. - JustinRueth, on 09/04/2008, -2/+11Do you truly believe torture, and spying is the right thing to do? It's not a political point.
It's what causes other country's to hate us.
Hey dumbass! It's what you, and the rest of your republicans quickly jump to war over. Your ***** freedoms, BUT it's totally OK with you that they tap your phone, without a warrant. Can't you see, they don't need probable cause. Say a enemy of yours (like me) works for the government and can listen to your phone calls. I could RUIN you. Financially, your career, your marriage your life. Based on false intel. Like you're a terrorist. - Sumtin2Say, on 09/04/2008, -0/+8Can you site which people have been saved by Bush? Are you refering to a lack of terrorist attacks on US soil? How many attacks on US soil have there been? Its not as if they were happening all the time and then came to an extended halt during the current administration. Its only been 7 years since 9/11. In terms of attacks on US soil, that is less than a normal interval. I'm sure I'll be dugg down even though what I'm saying is the truth.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 09/04/2008, -3/+11I don't get how a criminal politician is "America."
- joeanon, on 09/04/2008, -0/+8When did Pelosi ever say she was going to impeach Bush ?
I think most of you don't grasp how impeachment works or that it would likely fail in the Senate and Bush would be found innocent.
I guess you guys want Bush to be found innocent and that's why you'd rather have him tried in the Senate circus controlled by GOP majority because Lieberman is republican. That means if ALL the dems vote for guilty and all the republicans vote innocent and the two independents split... we still have a tie because of Lieberman.
Then guess who's vote is the tie breaker ?
Cheney... now do you think Cheney will find Bush guilty ?
No, so criminal courts are the best place to get Bush because he won't have the protection of the Presidency and Cheney can't simply pardon him.
See how that works ? If you take Bush out while still in office, his loyalists will still pardon him, so impeachment is really just a symbolic process or one uses to remove a President gone mad.
It's not really made to criminalize a Presidents actions because their VP is always going to pardon them.
The only way to get a President in prison is to try him after he is out of office.
I'm sorry Pelosi grasp this and 99% of American's do not. I think she should have pushed impeachment, but I'm confident it wouldn't have worked also.
I've been of the mindset the entire time that the best place to get Bush, by far, is out of office.
I think you wrong and Obama will happily push these crimes. He may however pardon Bush as is traditional for the purpose of getting the full story.
If I were Obama I wouldn't consider a pardon because Bush's word isn't worth anything and he'll just take the pardon and still tell a warm happy fuzzy version of the events where he was mislead and things happened behind his back.
So, only people who don't know anything about the impeachment process are still talking impeachment. Criminal court was always the way to go. Congressional court is a joke. It's a bunch of a senators who don't necessary have any justice credentials playing judge and jury.
I think impeachment runs a high risk of finding Bush innocent of charges and he'll take that 'innocence' into criminal court and say HEY congress found me innocent, so should you. - kent1146, on 09/04/2008, -1/+9Don't you mean he saved more white people than Democrats in the history of the US? Because he killed a ***** of brown people (500,000 Iraqi civilians).
But then again, the mentality that brown people do not equal "human beings" like white people do is exemplary of the neo-con Republican way of thinking. - michrech, on 09/04/2008, -1/+9Charlott_Web:
"5) If a case could be made, then why haven't the Democrats made it? They are in control of both houses of Congress"
This is a crock of *****. They currently have a majority, however, they are not "in control". They don't have enough votes to get past stone-wallers, or over-turn vetoes. HUGE difference. *THIS* is why it seems our current congress hasn't gotten much done. The Republicans that still have their seats are angry at having lost the majority they had and are acting like little children, all so people like you can go "See?! The Democratic led Congress is doing less than the Republican's did!" It's a ***** ploy, and people like you (and one of my sister-in-law's, and about half of the rest of the country) have fallen right into.
Use your damned brains for just *once* in your life. Please? - joeanon, on 09/04/2008, -2/+10Did you just say the Iraq war started on September 11th 2001 ?
I think your 'facts' might need more review before being copied and pasted.
War Crimes are when you do things like torture people, which the Supreme Court already ruled was illegal regardless if you call them enemy combatants.
War Crimes have nothing to do with actually being at war. You can commit war crimes during a military conflict or during peacetime.
Yea many courts may not be willing to take this on, but many more will be willing than in previous times because Bush is a new level of corruption for American and the majority of American's resent that corruption even republicans.
Bush has committed a lot more than just war crimes, such crimes against the constitution and people of America. His spying program was illegal when it first started and might still be unconstitutional.
His feeding propaganda to the news was illegal and clearly outlawed by congressional law because of these exact concerns.
Outing Valery Plume was illegal. Going to war without the UN consent was against international law. Denying due process of thousands of people was illegal.
I'm no lawyer so I can't spell out the actual charges but it's not going to be hard to pose Bush's actions as criminal and when you have the President of the US, Obama, pushing those charges courts aren't afraid to follow up. In fact many will probably reveal in it because their profession, justice, has been a complete fraud under the Bush administration.
I would say torture would be a good start for the war crimes. Perhaps a conspiracy to start war charge might fit in war crimes. The mishandling of the war in general should be a war crime because we have probably over a million Iraqi's dead so how long ill it's 6 million Iraqi's dead and we have a second Holocaust brought to you by the great US of A.
Each instance of torture and deprivation of prisoner rights is a war crime charge.
It's possible Bush bribed Georgia to attack Russia also which could result in a war crime charge, but probably more like another crime of using propaganda against the people and shelling civilians. Since the press has been kept out of the war it's pretty hard to know what has really been going on.
I think that the whole point of saying they will go through the shredded records with a fine tooth comb.
There is no doubt we have several obstruction of justice charges that they basically can't get away from. Things like using Preisential powers to allow aids not to testify and destroying official white house emails are certainly illegal.
The majority of crimes are not war crimes, but War Crimes just sound better as a head to the case. We certain have the Supreme Court on our side with torture ruling there is no way around the Geneva treaty it's considered a US Constitutional Amendment that torture and deprivation of humane conditions are especially illegal during war simply because it's so common throughout history for inhumane prisoner conditions to arise. I would def say there is a lot of potential for conspiracy charges and you have Mcclellan out right saying the White House just leaks whatever it wants Fox to print and Fox prints it. That's illegal, Fox has to say... The White House said, not print Bush's word like news. So, thats illegal on Fox's part and conspiracy on Bush's part or whoever this magic person is who commits all these crimes with White House level authority behind Bush's back of course.
So don't worry your pretty little head, there are more than enough crimes on Bush. - pigfister, on 09/04/2008, -1/+9what's the kidnapping thing that bush loves so much...
Extraordinary Rendition?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_renditi ...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=o ... - inactive, on 09/04/2008, -2/+10Argentina.
- oldgal, on 09/04/2008, -1/+9I'm not happy with Pelosi, but the house has done a better job than the senate - you should be jumping on Harry Reid as well.
- digitalcole, on 09/04/2008, -2/+10Dubai...most likely.
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -6/+13True or not, it will never happen...Not in my lifetime I'm sure. American courts will NEVER convict a private citizen for acting in the defense of the United States while sitting as President...It won't happen! Laws of the land aside, so long as the former President can make a good faith argument that he was acting to "preserve, protect, and defend" the American people, as per his oath of office, you can pretty much forget about that pipe dream! No court would be willing to set the precedent...And they probably shouldn't! Can you imagine the door that would open for political and judicial blackmail of future sitting presidents? Talk about having your hands tied!
- Daedalus81, on 09/04/2008, -1/+8Why is this being dug up? Holy crap. Regardless of the political party this administration needs to be held accountable. Doing so does not destroy America. In fact i'd like to see your reasoning on how it would destroy it.
- monkeeofevil, on 09/04/2008, -1/+8Thank God! It's about fsking time! This better happen or I'm going to be one pissed off democrat (not that i'm not already.. )
Bush & Friends are war criminals and deserve every thing that is coming to them. They are traitors to this country, and have wiped their proverbial asses with our Constitution. This is not acceptable. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW, and thus they must be investigated thoroughly.. and if criminal misconduct is found to have happened.. then I would even take it a step further and charge Bush & Friends with Murder, for each soldier killed in this illegal war of aggression! And if you think that it can't be done... then read this:
http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/ ( From the guy who put Charles Manson in prison.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Bugliosi (More about Bugliosi ) - Rudegar, on 09/04/2008, -12/+19is that why Cheney is bugging Russia and bombing Pakistan so
a new government will have other things on their mind? - inactive, on 09/04/2008, -3/+10Remember when he was a uniter? That lasted... what? A month?
- inactive, on 09/04/2008, -4/+11We did. And history has judged him a buffoon and a criminal. He committed crimes against humanity in Central America and his trickle down economic policies crashed and burned just like Bush's repeat of the same stupid policies did. The only people who think he was anything but a failure are the same dumbasses who still think Iraq had WMD.
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