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- phroztbyt3, on 11/03/2008, -3/+11This is hilarious. He is stating that coal must be SAFER in order to be used. Coal plants MUST have a cap in his eyes, while in Mccain's eyes it should be optional. Its like Mccain's eyes were scooped out and placed with gobstoppers because he obviously cannot see the ozone layer depleting and global warming arising.
- ThinkOutTheBox, on 11/02/2008, -1/+9A cap and trade system will hurt industry. I always thought instead of cap and trade why not give tax breaks to companies that invest in alternate energy. even though CO2 is plant food at least it does have a purpose and the system your installing in your plant will help other things like you said.
Just seems to me that penalizing businesses for something they have no control over is going to be a disaster. - wheresjim, on 11/03/2008, -6/+131. He never said in that tape that he wanted to bankrupt the Coal Industry, he said that if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant the cap and trade system would bankrupt them (the builders and operators of coal powered plants, not the coal industry) because they will be charged for the greenhouse gasses they emit.
2. This "new" (it's from January, and has been online the whole time) tape was released interestingly enough by the same youtube user who released the "redistribution" tape (doesn't the Geiss visualization plugin look familiar?)
3. McCain has proposed the same type of Cap and Trade policy with regard to new coal-powered plants - Does he want to "Bankrupt the Coal Industry" too?
source: http://presidentialprofiles2008.org/McCain/tab2.ht ...
4. The rest of the world is currently engaging in Cap and Trade, I haven't read about other country's coal industries bankrupting because of it.
Yet another Obama statement taken out of context used to generate fake outrage - buried as pathetic. - RuffBong, on 11/03/2008, -8/+15This is ***** edited hitjob.
Yall are afraid to play the whole interview, eh?
Pfff. MORE LIES, THAT'S ALL YOU LIARS HAVE, THIS IS WHY YOU ARE LOSING. - booksnmore4you, on 11/03/2008, -6/+12You Freepers are pure extremists.
You come across one piece of Obama on coal, freeze it in time, and hammer it like that is all that has ever been said by him about it.
That's not just sloppy, it's idiotic, and indicative of an unstable mind.
Try doing some real research and put together a full view of Obama on the subject. It's not hard.
Of course, the coal mining unions have already done that....and they have endorsed Obama over McCain!!!
At bottom, Obama's stance on coal is one of balancing competing interests and constituents among the highly diverse American electorate--wanting a cleaner environment on one hand but not wanting to hurt the coal industry on the other, and doing things that retrain workers for new jobs no matter what. - booksnmore4you, on 11/03/2008, -5/+9THIS STORY IS FAKE
Lies, Half Truths and Contradictions: Chronicle ''Hidden'' Audio on Obama
It's not true.
But the Drudge Report, the Republican National Committee and apparently even GOP VP candidate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin fell for completely fabricated news from a shady website called Newsbusters today suggesting the San Francisco Chronicle has ''hidden'' audio with Sen. Barack Obama regarding his statements on coal.
''Barack Obama explained his plan to the San Francisco Chronicle this year,'' she told a rally in Ohio Sunday. ''He said that sure, if the industry wants to build coal-fired power plants, then they can go ahead and try, he says, but they can do it only in a way that will bankrupt the coal industry.''
She added, ''And you've got to listen to the tape.''
''Why is the audiotape just now surfacing?'' Palin asked the crowd, according to a report from CBS News. Someone in the crowd shouted, ''Liberal media!'
Let's be very clear: the Chronicle did not, and has never, hidden any interview, audio or video, of Obama from its readers.
The truth: the paper's January editorial board session with Obama included comments about coal. The entire interview has been in the public domain, available on line to the public -- and to the McCain campaign -- since early January.
''How can anyone suggest that we hid an interview that we did, immediately put up on the web -- and advertised to our readers,'' said editorial page editor John Diaz Sunday, regarding his hosting of Obama at the session. ''We promoted it like like hell...and I'm sure the Clinton campaign and the McCain campaign scrubbed it. You can still find the whole 48 minutes and 33 seconds on line.''
Obama's campaign responded to Palin's comments today, noting correctly that the wide-ranging interview also included the Illinois Senator's comments that the idea of eliminating coal plants was ''an illusion.''
Apparently neither campaign, until now, ever felt there was much worth mentioning regarding Obama's coal comments. But it's now two days before the election and McCain is in a do-or-die battle in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
A final note: the shoddy Newsbusters blog has been caught in the past simply fabricating news regarding the Chronicle's coverage. Our paper has demanded corrections for their fiction, but to no avail.
We contacted Bill Riggs, regional press secretary of the Republican National Committee tonight on his emailing of this erroneous report suggesting a ''hidden'' Chronicle audiotape to political reporters. His response: he didn't confirm it, or write the headline. He just sent it out.
He got taken. And so did the rest.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail? ... - pearcewg, on 11/02/2008, -13/+17This is what we will be getting.
I know it isn't green, but coal is very important. - seeingright, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3Well, I will have to say it a 2nd time as you didn't get the fake news..
The video has 273,000 views so far with a 4.5 star rating.. I guess people are fascinated by what you call a "fake story."
So sorry.. you lose.. here is the link in case you forgot it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ
This is even better.. .846,000 views with a 4 star rating.. ooooooh..
Reverend Wright and his G-damn America.. I suppose that is "fake" too.. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3IAjphhw6E - EZLA, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3Shiela your the liar. Unless you can prove someone altered his voice it is Obama speaking and I heard the tape, so have others. He said he would raise the caps and trade so high they could build the plant but it would "bankrupt" them. He also talked about the "skyrocket electricity prices" (paraphrased) & consumers would have to pick up the tab and sacrafice.
Darlin your on my turf now by tommorow I'll have Industy information on the actual adverse effects of his policy in all states.
He has already caused two petrochemical refineries that were expanding to shelve their plans. In addition, The first oil refinery to be built in 30yrs is now holding off constuction till after this election. Every action has a reaction on any industry.
I'm glad the Robo calls are going out now . 24hr limitation is going to be tough. - inactive, on 11/03/2008, -0/+3IT'S ON TAPE! OBAMA IS SAYING IT!!
- vhammon, on 11/03/2008, -2/+4I'm always amazed at the frightened negative view of American industry. Why are Republicans so convinced that we are incapable of producing clean coal? Obama is simply saying that if we set high standards for clean production, dirty producers will go bankrupt, while energy producers that meet high environmental standards will succeed. Good riddance to the dirty coal plants. The northwest now has the highest level of mercury dumped in our air by coal fired plants, which damages our brains and our children's development. That costs us plenty. We can produce clean energy, including clean coal. Business needs a swift kick in the pants to stop whining and start innovating.
We can choose between having our energy industry go the way of our auto industry-stall and go kicking and screaming belatedly into new, innovative, clean energy options while innovators in other parts of the world take the lead, OR demand that our coal industries get on the ball and take the lead. - zacharytelschow, on 11/03/2008, -1/+21) He said a cap and trade system would bankrupt anyone who wants to build a coal power plant. He favors a cap and trade system. Presumably, he would be referring to the affects of his own plan.
2) Relevance?
3) McCain and Obama's cap and trade systems are fundamentally different in the way they are structured. To equate one to the other is naive. Treating your audience as fools and assuming we won't know the plans are different is insulting.
4) Obama said the affects of his plan would be that it would bankrupt anyone building a coal fired power plant. Speaking extemporaneously is when Obama often says what he truly believes but would never get past his speech writers. Why shouldn't I believe this isn't another one of those instances? - soflasooner, on 11/02/2008, -13/+14It's refreshing to see Obama be honest about something - a rare moment of candor. Like the other day when he let is slip that he thought that people who didn't want to pay more taxes were being selfish. Heck, Biden already called me unpatriotic, now I'm selfish!
On Tuesday, we either get what we need or we get what we deserve! If half of the country, with the willing assistance of the media, is willing to put on the blinders and elect Obama, then we get what we deserve. God help us be that the case! - inactive, on 11/03/2008, -11/+12Taken out of context. Every time Obama tells the truth, it has been taken out of context. And his Obamabots will still fawn at his feet and vote for him.
- bennny, on 11/03/2008, -1/+2
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/20 ... - zacharytelschow, on 11/03/2008, -1/+2If that's true and you're going to point it out, then link the other please!
- wheresjim, on 11/03/2008, -1/+2Oh noes! The paper did not write about it!
It's the SAN FRANCISCO Chronicle, people in San Francisco don't tend to be very interested in the politics of coal, especially when the whole story is *****.
McCain is trying to wedge coal-state voters using an issue he's on the exact same side of:
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:gAd7wqWmEVMJ: ... - SheilaNoya, on 11/03/2008, -6/+6Another example of Republicans running wild with a fake story. How gullible are you guys?
This also shows how dumb Sarah Palin is for repeating a lie without even checking to see if the facts were correct. She's either stupid, or willingly lying to everyone - which is it?
As posted above, here is PROOF this is a lie. This comes directly from the source of the "hidden audio" the Republican smear machine keeps referring to:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/b/a/2 ... - theman2c, on 11/02/2008, -14/+14if the industry is bankrupted, not only will many us be out of a job
those dumbocrats won't have any electricity to log onto the internet and blast their smart-ass comments
perhaps in their blissful ignorance they fail to realize 63% of ALL the electricity consumed in the US comes from coal
or maybe they can just use your TV, lights, etc when the sun is shining or the wind blows since, again, we will expose their grade-school mentality, THERE IS NO VIABLE STORAGE SYSTEM for all that lovely renewable power
we only get to use it as it is being generated.
but please vote for obama and pray that the messiah will perform another miracle and pull power out of your ass.
for all those folks claiming "new technology will save us,
well, what's going to carry us through the decade it will take your "new technology" to emerge?
i haven't resorted to name-calling, i offered FACTS!
I work for a company that has the nation's ONLY coal-based power plant carbon capture test model currently under construction.
we also have a pipeline that transports the CO2 generated from creating synthetic natural gas from coal to oilfields in Canada. That CO2 is used to prolong the life of existing oil stocks.
we don't just talk about doing the right thing and dream of lofty goals, WE DO IT.
but we also understand what bankrupting the coal industry will do to all our test projects...it will end them. If we don't have the revenues from our base operations to support our investments into new technology, the entire house crumbles.
perhaps if these "pro-changers" spent more time researching and understanding the REALITIES of electricity generation they wouldn't be so sure of their messiah.
my grandpa embraced electricity. he worked with his rural neighbors and CREATED their own electric company, a cooperative. because the sanctimoniuos pricks in the large cities didn't care whether rural customers had power, it wasn't profitable. Now those millions of rural customers charge the least cost possible for their power and share the profits of the endeavor with all the other members.
no one will read this because the Obama-kooks are so drunk on the kool-aid of a fraud that the TRUTH is no longer relevant. - inactive, on 11/03/2008, -1/+1We are at a crossroads folks. This is the final push.
While the majority of the United States filled with hope over the idea of getting out from under the oppressive disaster of the last 8 years, eager to change politics of Washington so they better serve every citizen, and praying that they can rebuild the economy from the bottom up so everyone benefits, we as Republicans must stop them.
To date, those positive and hopeful people have somehow risen above our efforts to bring doubt, hate, divisiveness, and lies into political discourse this election. DO NOT GIVE UP. We can still SCREW everyone yet.
We need to do what we as Republicans do best.
1. Where others are speaking facts and truths, we must bombard everyone with with fear and lies (it is what we are best at).
2. If someone is positive and happy, we remind them how awful things are.
3. When we see positive change, we destroy it.
4. If someone presents hard facts, we ignore the truth and protect ourselves with our internal mental barrier that tells us FACTS LIE.
5. If we are wealthy, we serve ourselves.
6. If we are middle-class and poor, we serve the wealthy.
Let’s not let the hopeful and motivated Obama supporters change what we have all worked so hard to create over the last 8 years.
We cannot let their infectious messages of unity and progress for all reverse the financial ruin, war, and general despair we have built up over the last 8 years!
We must continue to draw on our inner hate and ugliness to crush those who wish for a better life for their families, and especially for their children.
Together, we can be a force of nastiness to be reckoned with. No one is better at under-handed, disgusting tactics than we, the Republican Party. Most people think we are low life disgusting people now... just wait until they see how much worse we can get!
For the next 24 hours, we will lie more, yell in people’s faces louder, scare old people and small children, spread false rumors about anyone who seems positive in any way about anything, tout our successes during the Bush years, oppress the weak, and most of all, hate everyone who is decent and kind.
McCain / Palin 2008
Together, we can divide the country and bring despair to everyone. Go GOP!
“Smite the Hope, Stop the Progress, Crush Change” - nydalek85, on 11/03/2008, -2/+2Unions tend to take companies down, so it wouldn't be surprising that the coal union would support 0bama's plan.
- seeingright, on 11/03/2008, -3/+3Of course Sheila the video has 273,000 views so far with a 4.5 star rating.. I guess people are fascinated by what you call a "fake story."
So sorry.. you lose.. here is the link in case you forgot it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ
This is even better.. .846,000 views with a 4 star rating.. ooooooh..
Reverend Wright and his G-damn America.. I suppose that is "fake" too.. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3IAjphhw6E - bennny, on 11/03/2008, -2/+1http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/20 ...
- SheilaNoya, on 11/03/2008, -3/+2Once again, you cite anti-Obama smear sites and an edited version of what was said. Why are you so afraid to go right to the source of this story. Oh that's right, because it proves you are lying (again).
As far as blocking me - please do! That way you won't see how many times I debunk all of your lies and your constant smear jobs and you'll continue to look like a fool for repeating them after they have been DEBUNKED. - algaeturd, on 11/03/2008, -3/+2KY is going to go republican. WV will likely go republican. Suggesting that coal is the 'livelyhood' (sic) of VA isn't only a stretch, it's completely inaccurate.
- SheilaNoya, on 11/03/2008, -4/+3You list links to two anti-Obama smear sites and expect someone to believe you?
This fake coal story says that Obama told the San Franciso Chronicle he was going to bankrupt the coal industry. I provided a link direct from the source where you idiots claim you got this story.
It's a lie, so wipe that egg off your face just like you've had to do with the Michelle Obama "whitey tape", the "obama birth certificate story" and all of the other lies you idiots cling to. - patpl22391, on 11/02/2008, -14/+12Barack Obama will continue the subsidies for the farmers in Iowa (that's why he is up double-digits there), he will continue Bush's failed support for alternative energy sources. John McCain's plan of drilling for domestic oil (creates jobs), allowing the market to decide (free-market solutions), and building FORTY-FIVE new nuclear plants (abundant energy for decades to come, and nearly one million new jobs), exporting coal to China (not destroying the industry). John McCain's energy plan OWNS Obama's, which is REALLY more of the same.
- inactive, on 11/02/2008, -14/+9Yet more proof that the Democrats want to destroy this country and then reshape it into their own twisted "workers paradise". The Messiah is for the downfall of the United States as we know it, we either step up now and prevent the theft of Democracy, or we sit back and watch Faux-bama, Pelosi, and Reid light the bonfire of liberties from which this country was built.
"So this is how Democracy dies, with thunderous applause." - EZLA, on 11/02/2008, -12/+5This article is a duplicate digg the other please!
- kwilliams1130, on 11/03/2008, -13/+2What is he promising those states where that is their livelyhood, like KY and VA?
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