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- avengingturnip, on 06/21/2008, -35/+453The 'change' candidate?
- Robjayne, on 06/21/2008, -32/+294The lesser of two evils ! Like choosing between gonorrhea and syphilis.
- inactive, on 06/21/2008, -21/+236Obama missed the February vote on that FISA bill as he campaigned in the "Potomac Primaries," but issued a statement that day declaring "I am proud to stand with Senator Dodd, Senator Feingold and a grassroots movement of Americans who are refusing to let President Bush put protections for special interests ahead of our security and our liberty."
talk about "CHANGE" - kuantan97, on 06/21/2008, -63/+268This is no surprise at all. The first time I saw this man back in '06 I knew he was a scam artist. I also knew that many suckers would be seduced by his eloquence. Can't wait to see how the Obama brigade tortures this ominous news into "change we can believe in."
Americans had their chance with Ron Paul. They blew it. - JATCA69, on 06/21/2008, -16/+196 "I will carefully monitor the program"...oh, well then, we got nothing to worry about. LOL.
- inactive, on 06/21/2008, -21/+181
THE OLD OBAMA: "I am proud to stand with Senator Dodd, Senator Feingold and a grassroots movement of Americans who are refusing to let President Bush put protections for special interests ahead of our security and our liberty."
THE NEW AND IMPROVED OBAMA: "Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program."
That's new as in neo, as in Bush-lite. Don't you just love that watered down taste! - mkauai, on 06/21/2008, -53/+201My Friends, We live in the greatest country in the world. Yes, we can change that, and I hope you join in - McBomba08
If people want "real" change visit:
www.campaignforliberty.org
Be a Part of It
www.r3vmarch.com - inactive, on 06/21/2008, -41/+179The only "CHANGE" in America is here.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/ - inactive, on 06/21/2008, -30/+158Does anyone now believe there's a difference between the two candidates the D&R gang pushed forth and the current occupant of 1600 Penn. Ave.?
OBushma or McSame is not much of a choice. - enderwigin, on 06/21/2008, -31/+145Just lost my vote.
- inactive, on 06/21/2008, -37/+142This settles it for me: Obama's a ***** douchebag.
- Pssdoff, on 06/21/2008, -19/+123I'd bet exactly the same as Obama. Obama didn't write the FISA Legislation, he only supports it like a good minion shill should.
- NoStoppingUs, on 06/21/2008, -34/+126well...
yes. you see, he changes his positions quite often, so technically he IS the 'change' candidate..
heres a nice little collection of obama flip flops. it's incredible that his sheepish followers havent caught on to his game..
http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/06/collect ... - billyjack1958, on 06/21/2008, -17/+106Once again, the smooth-talking status quo candidate begging for change is caught with his actions betraying his words.
- wissler, on 06/21/2008, -24/+110Obama stands for one thing: manipulative rhetoric.
- Rudegar, on 06/21/2008, -15/+99"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."Benjamin Franklin
:( - JDenigma, on 06/21/2008, -20/+102"Given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as president, I will carefully monitor the program,"
Just watch, some idiot will probably come here and use that statement to try to put a nice sugar coated spin on things to make it look good for him. Oh they'll say, he's being such a fine compromising statesman in walking that fine line. His words defending his compromise were oh so beautiful. Once he gets in, like he said, he'll keep an eye on it. We can TRUST him! - inactive, on 06/21/2008, -39/+119I said it months ago and got buried down hard for it. But it looks like my opinion is relevant again. So I'll say it again.
Obama is just another douchebag politician.
Ron Paul 2008!!!! - lexington86, on 06/21/2008, -17/+93Anyone who thinks Obama represents change is living in a dream world, and stories like this are pretty clear evidence.
- angryfirelord, on 06/21/2008, -18/+94I guess Obama can delete "Civil Rights" off of his website. I thought Obama was supposed to be different from Bush? Looks like the same neo crap we've had for 8 years already.
I'll probably write-in Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr. Ralph Nader looks like another good candidate (with support for a balanced budget and an impressive track record), but he's a little bit big-government for my tastes. - Popperian, on 06/21/2008, -10/+79I have done a lot for Obama and seeing him come out so bluntly in favorof the illegal spying really threw me for a loop. Probably the
worstthing about this is it confirms my most serious concerns about Obama.Namely that he's basically just a D.L.C. shill who is going to do whathis masters tell him to do, and that's pretty much the reality rightnow.
Security is not the reason they want that bill. If it was,they would have allowed the Saudis to be monitored during 9/11 (Bush ordered all surveillance of the Saudis halted in his first week in office). Anyone who seriously wants to use the Internet to communicate anything related to 'real' security issues will find it very easy to dosecurely. They just want to spy on the average Joe, that's why they want this stuff so bad.
There are only two reasons any politician would support that bill, (1) they are basically a paid whore for AT&T and want to keep the bribery train going, or (2) they share this sick "Totalitarian America" vision. There were no U.S.citizens involved in 9/11, it was all the Saudis, Pakistani's and Bush's business partners.
The answer is I won't. If Obama votes in favor of the FISA legislation next week, he lost my vote, he lost my respect, he lost my support, and I'm going to become an active critic for yet another DLC shill.
'll just keep working to throw out all of thepoliticians and skip the presidentials. EVENTUALLY if we keep cleaningpeople out of the government we will get good leadership. I had hoped that was Obama.
I am glad this happened so early though, it probably saved me some serious money in donations. He's just another government tyrant like any other.
It's pretty simple for me ... if I won't vote for a white tyrant, why would I vote for a black tyrant? - alphaterminus, on 06/21/2008, -16/+84My letter to Mr. Obama that I sent today:
I am a Republican who voted for Ron Paul in the Iowa Caucuses. I switched my support to you when Dr. Paul withdrew, and was planning to actively campaign and to donate to your campaign. Your decision to support the current FISA Legislation has now made my vote for you virtually impossible. I cannot support another tyrant. - JKap, on 06/21/2008, -32/+94O-bomb-a/McAIPAC '08!
- freedomwv, on 06/21/2008, -19/+78Come on Bush broke the damn law and those telecommunications companies help him break the law. Obama and McCain are both sorry bags of dog *****!
- n00854180t, on 06/21/2008, -16/+70Obama the Spineless just lost my vote. This just goes to show, he's the same as McSame and Bush, and just talks more *****. "I don't support blatantly illegal wiretapping, that's why I support giving telecoms everlasting blanket immunity!" ***** pathetic.
So yeah, if anyone had any doubts about it, it really doesn't matter who you vote for this time, since one is merely a sugar coated version of the other. You'll still get the same great flavor of treason and erosion of human rights and civil liberties! Yay! - heylookltsme, on 06/21/2008, -7/+60wha... what the hell?
- choochee, on 06/21/2008, -8/+58Obama wants to hire 90,000 additional troops for our military.
- dksupremacy, on 06/21/2008, -23/+67The really funny part is that if everyone on Digg could read and/or wasn't so damn ignorant they'd see that Obama hasn't changed his stance.
Obama supports wiretapping in cases backed by evidence when a warrant is issued by a judge, as is allowed by FISA. There's nothing wrong with this as long as their is oversight.
Obama does NOT support retroactive immunity. He said the House version of the bill was an improvement over the Protect America Act because it restores FISA and does not allow warrantless wiretapping which is what we all want. The House version of the bill includes retroactive immunity, so Obama said (in the same quote that got everyone in a ***** furor) that he's going to try his hardest to get immunity removed from the Senate version of the bill.
Have none of you learned how bills are made? It's very common for the House and Senate to pass different versions of a bill. The different versions are sent to a Committee where a compromise is worked out and then both houses vote on the compromise bill. Obama is going to try to remove retroactive immunity from the Senate version and have it kept that way in the compromise version.
Are you all incredibly daft, or do you not even support legal, with-warrant wiretapping? - pintomp3, on 06/21/2008, -8/+52it's pathetic how the media keeps calling it a "compromise" bush got his money for the war and immunity for the telecoms. the democrats may only have a slight majority, but they are rolling over for the administration. they should be supporting kucinich's call for impeachment.
- JKap, on 06/21/2008, -3/+46Talk about doublethink and doublespeak.
- inactive, on 06/21/2008, -9/+51"YES WE CAN" :P
- MrXfromPlanetX, on 06/21/2008, -4/+44Hillary voted for the Reauthorization of the Patriot Act, and so did Obama. Check it out
http://mrxfromplanetx.com/2008/01/01/obama-patriot ... I have links to the voting record for the bill on this page.
If Dems wanted someone who had conviction, they should have voted for Dennis Kucinich instead of who the corporate media told them to vote for.
If someone's a Dem at this point, they should vote for Ralph Nader, and the Ron Paul supporters have Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin to choose from. It's too bad Chuck and Bob can't team up so they don't split the vote. - dinostabOMG, on 06/21/2008, -8/+48This is what happens when we put all our eggs in two baskets. Clinton vs. Obama was hardly, hardly a choice at all (as they differed so measurably little), and at this point it will be very hard for Obama to do anything to make him a worse choice than McCain. That's why our elections are such a joke - two parties are hardly enough to keep each other honest. So, Obama is full of ***** like all the other mainstream politicians; what are you going to do about it, vote for McCain?
- InetRoadkill, on 06/21/2008, -0/+40Obama has promised to support a filibuster, but gave no indication that he would join the filibuster. I'm taking that as "I'm going to sit on the sidelines and cheer because I don't want to get my hands dirty." What a cop-out. He's says he's against the bill, but he's going to vote for it despite clear constitutional problems and public outrage.
I would have been impressed if he took charge and led the filibuster effort against this ***** legislation, but I guess that's too much to ask. This was Obama's first test as a leader and he has failed miserably. Same old ***** politics with different wrapper. God help us. - girwen, on 06/21/2008, -10/+50all it takes is 41 senators with guts enough to stop it but I'm not holding out much hope.
- theorwells, on 06/21/2008, -3/+43Actually, Senator Clinton will get the chance to vote as will the rest of the Senate on this issue---and then we will know for the RECORD where she stands (and where Our OWN Senators stand as well).
- known, on 06/21/2008, -0/+39Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power --Abraham Lincoln
- goes211, on 06/21/2008, -14/+53Nice! One of the few issues where I as far as I am concerned, the far left is correct. Just goes to show that we really have only a single party in this country and it represents the powerful interests.
Goodbye constitutional republic and rule of law. It was nice while it lasted. - NoStoppingUs, on 06/21/2008, -1/+39so he's going to create a surveillance program to monitor the surveillance program?
- CoolHandLuke70, on 06/21/2008, -4/+40That is if she does not skip the vote
- angryfirelord, on 06/21/2008, -18/+53Yes, change as in, "I'm going to lose all of that change in my pocket because now I have to pay for a 28% capital gains tax!"
- JDenigma, on 06/21/2008, -4/+38I think the fact that they're not showing up in this thread and aren't digging this, answers that for you. People by nature so often are such flaming hypocrites. It's disgusting and amusing at the same time. We haven't seen them yet come out of the woodworks to spew forth any bile with their rationalizations and excuses. Well, as they say, sometimes silence can mean acceptance. Obama practically is treated like a rock star and some deity to be worshiped by these people. He can't do anything wrong with. It seems to be worse than the sweeping allegations they made about those of us who are Ron Paul supporters as being Ronbots and mindless supporters. People never cease to amaze me. I lose more and more faith in humanity by the day and become more cynical and jaded of people in general.
- Bcodms, on 06/21/2008, -8/+42Obama doesn't really stand for what ordinary folks feel is right on this FISA issue. He just isn't my kind of candidate, because he seems to be saying one thing-like on NAFTA, FISA, while quietly doing the 180 degree thing. If I had ATT, I would have fired them. Now that I know where Obama stands. Obama you are fired. McCain you are fired too.
Folks you will never get leadership that support your values by voting again and again for leadership that doesn't support your values. You get the Congress and the Executive you deserve. Choose wisely. - merm, on 06/21/2008, -6/+39I am deeply disappointed in this reversal. I have been a HUGE supporter of Obama, but this bill is absolutely WRONG. I have lost a lot of respect for him today :(
- inactive, on 06/21/2008, -16/+49The real obama comes out. Grrrr!! lol. I bet all the idiots that love him like a prophet, will still love him like a prophet.
- paulvq, on 06/21/2008, -2/+35He never said he was voting for McCain.
- cv6nick, on 06/21/2008, -3/+35Ron Paul was speaking at the Montana convention at the time of the vote.
- inactive, on 06/21/2008, -3/+34That's the thought of thousands of shocked Obama supporters at the realization they have been duped.
- warlokaz2004, on 06/21/2008, -14/+45Gee, you mean as soon as he got the nomination locked up he pulled away from some of his left wing positions? Its like he's playing to the center, trying to be a Moderate for the general election....
I didn't see THAT coming!
/sarcasm -
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