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- Hillsfar, on 05/20/2008, -26/+304That's right. Obama said in his speech in Billings, Montana, "Here is the truth. The Soviet Union had thousands of nuclear weapons and Iran doesn't have a single one. But when the world was on the brink of nuclear holocaust, Kennedy talked to Kruschev and he got those missles out of Cuba. Why shouldn't we have the same courage and confidence to talk to our enemies? That's what strong countries do. That's what strong presidents do. That's what I'll do when I'm President of the United States of America!"
- madfrogurt, on 05/20/2008, -13/+251It's amazing that even after Iraq there is still a portion of the populous that would rather choose war over negotiation.
- neognostic, on 05/20/2008, -29/+209Nice, it just keeps on getting better and better. Darn that history Bush/McCain, you know smart people can look up this stuff in just a few seconds on the internet (that's the thing with the tubes).
- inactive, on 05/20/2008, -13/+153It is not only the strong Presidents who meet with enemies, but it is also the smartest Presidents who meet with enemies.
War should always be the last resort. - Wormfather, on 05/20/2008, -5/+77Better, it just got 50x better. Obama just announced that his running mate is going to be the 3G iPhone.
Obama/iPhone '08 - GrouchoMarx42, on 05/20/2008, -22/+93I was there for that speech this morning, and Senator Obama incredible in his points on Iran. Check out the whole transcript of the town hall meeting here:
http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.as ... - LKnight, on 05/20/2008, -12/+72Why is it that some people equate "meet with enemies" to mean "cave in like a coward" anyway? Do they think this guy survived being teased about big ears, probably about being bi-racial, and politics in Chicago by being naive and cowardly? You can't negotiate until you talk.
- jcounterman, on 05/20/2008, -13/+64In a shocking move, McCain has announced that he will not take part in any future presidential debates. McCain claims that doing so would be talking with the enemy, which could lead to the destruction of the United States. The spectators at his rally cheered wildly and were recorded as saying "Rabble Rabble Rabble......"
- fancypantscz, on 05/20/2008, -27/+77Obama -- who appears to be trying to do nothing less than redefine what it means to be "strong" and "tough" on foreign policy
WAIT... /sarcasm/ You mean a person (or policy) can be strong and tough AND smart and reasonable at the same time? I was lead to believe you only got strong and tough by being a buttfaced *****. - mikephimikephi, on 05/20/2008, -2/+52They should send Samuel L. Jackson in, that way you have a war and a negotiation
- Capo, on 05/20/2008, -6/+51Bush and McCain need to take pointers from "The Godfather": "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."
- detokaal, on 05/20/2008, -5/+44Partially true. Transcripts and interviews have since shown that we agreed to pull our missiles out of Turkey if they did the same in Cuba. We broke and the USSR got partially what they wanted.
- inactive, on 05/20/2008, -2/+39Um, Khrushchev only agreed to remove the missiles after Kennedy removed missiles from Turkey.
- mfc5200, on 05/20/2008, -2/+38But both sides got what they wanted, missiles taken away from nearby areas. Such situations are called "win win". Thats what usually happens with talks, negotiations, and diplomacy.
I have no intention of voting for Obama, but he is dead on with this. I'm just sad he didn't take it farther by agreeing to talk with Hamas, but I understand why he would say no to that, there is a lot of political jewish pressure that even he can't ignore.
But sitting down and talking isn't appeasement. You don't have to shake hands, agree, or anything. Hell, you can even sit down and make threats, that's still talking. The idea that not talking to a regime is some sort of punishment is ridiculous. If you have issues with a country (which we obviously do with certain countries) then we have to sit down and realize the best way to make things go forward. Ignoring them (ala North Korea, Burma, Cuba, Syria, Iran, Hamas, etc.) is obviously not the solution because IT DOESN'T WORK. - retzed, on 05/20/2008, -30/+66Obama makes so much sense. He has brought peace to the Niger Delta and he'll do more than McCain to bring peace to the Middle East. How can someone with the same foreign policy as Bush (and will be hated by the world just as much) claim that he's better positioned than Obama at dealing with Iran. The only reason the Ahmadinejad is in power is because of Bush. He feeds of the Iranian's hate of Bush to maintain power. As an Australian it is obvious that the rest of the world is hoping for Obama.
- chrissku, on 05/20/2008, -8/+42Should we let John McCain carry out the Bush policy of ignoring those we don't like? It's time to at least talk things out with our enemies. Nobody said we are going to start giving them stuff......just talk. It can't be any worse then our current policy.
- BryanG412, on 05/20/2008, -3/+35"The climax period of the crisis began on October 15, 1962, when United States reconnaissance photographs taken by an American U-2 spy plane revealed missile bases being built in Cuba, and ended two weeks later on October 28, 1962, when President of the United States John F. Kennedy and United Nations Secretary-General U Thant reached an agreement with the Soviets to dismantle the missiles in Cuba in exchange for a no invasion agreement and a secret removal of the Jupiter and Thor missiles in Turkey."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis - wild, on 05/20/2008, -3/+34"Neo-Goblin"...thats my new favorite take on Neo-Conservative.
It just works so well. - Doug_E_Style, on 05/20/2008, -3/+34When did communication become a bad thing?
- inactive, on 05/20/2008, -5/+35Niger?
Please. - theprez98, on 05/20/2008, -24/+51Kennedy didn't talk to Khrushchev to get the missiles out of Cuba. There was a summit between them in 1961, before the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Khrushchev perceived Kennedy as weak, and that was considered one of the root causes of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Fortunately for us, Khrushchev was wrong.
- razorsharpwit, on 05/20/2008, -7/+34 A Strong President will end the war on drugs and terror. Repeal the Patriot Act and stop putting non-violent offenders in jail with violent criminals.
- Hillsfar, on 05/20/2008, -4/+30Kruschev said the same thing, and guess what? Kennedy got the missiles out of Cuba.
What are G.W. Bush and John McCain so afraid of talking for?
Talking tough and refusing to listen to others who have a different opinion... doesn't that sound like what got us into the Iraq War? - inactive, on 05/20/2008, -46/+71"But when the world was on the brink of nuclear holocaust, Kennedy talked to Kruschev and he got those missles out of Cuba"
WRONG
Obama left a few details out.
Kennedy didn't have tea with Khrushchev and a good hug.
Kennedy militarily quarantined Cuban then told Khrushchev it's either our way and remove ALL nukes from Cuba or a full US invasion of Cuba would occur. Khrushchev turned the boats carrying the nukes to Cuba back to USSR and removed the remaining nukes in Cuba. - serif69, on 05/20/2008, -2/+27He didn't bring peace to the Niger Delta. He brought the possibility of maybe considering coming to an agreement to bring peace to the Niger Delta.
- smacksaw, on 05/20/2008, -15/+39As Americans we're used to offering diplomacy at the barrel of a gun. But childish actions are for a childish nation. It's amazing that as a fledgling nation we knew better, but as we've gotten older we've become so belligerent. It's almost like regression.
- cambob76, on 05/20/2008, -5/+29Bush would meet with Ahmadinejad but he can't come up with a fun nickname for him.
- malex, on 05/20/2008, -2/+26Please show me where Sen. Obama said that talks would be limited to hugging and hot beverages.
- inactive, on 05/20/2008, -18/+41Treaty of Locarno
Munich Agreement
Paris Peace Accords
SALT II
Oslo Accords
Agreed Framework between the USA and the North Korea - HonestAbe, on 05/20/2008, -0/+21So because Ahmadinejad is homophobic (like most of Iranian culture, and most of American culture, for that matter), we can assume beforehand that any negotiation with him would be futile, and, instead, we should just bomb the ***** out of the whole country?
Your logical leaps are astounding. Have you considered participating in the Olympics? - BryanG412, on 05/20/2008, -5/+24For everyone that thinks Kennedy "bullied" Kruschev into getting those missiles out of Cuba your a ***** idiot and you should jump in front of a car. I don't know where this middle school bully mentality came from or why it is relevant in today's politics but it is ruining this country. Kennedy AND THE ***** UNITED NATIONS negotiated with Kruschev to avoid a nuclear war with The Soviet Union. The Soviet Union removed missiles from Cuba and we removed missiles from Turkey. It was give and take, you know, a negotiation...jesus christ! Must be nice to have the rest of the world on your side...
- internetcoward, on 05/20/2008, -8/+26Why are people so anti talking? Its not like we are just going to be like.. ok we are talking.. so what do you want from us, we'll bend over for you... No, we are just trying to save money, lives, and maybe time by just talking. If it doesn't work out then it doesnt work out, but I mean come on. IF you are for war and not talking, then you are for troops dying? How is that american?
- kanabiis, on 05/20/2008, -5/+21I love this talking point..... set completely unrealistic standard in which to 'agree' to meet with your enemy, use it as some sort of forced compliance to meet, and then use it as a political crutch to further propaganda as to why the enemy is evil.
This is not diplomacy...... it's childish tactics most civilized human beings grew out of in high school. No dispute has ever been settled at gunpoint, or under unconditional ultimatums, people who have not figured this out are not fit to run super power nations.
- asspants, on 05/20/2008, -2/+17He wants to negotiate to find out what the ***** is wrong, and see if we can all come to an agreement.
Why are you so insistent that there is absolutely no way to reason with the Iranians, and that doing so is just a waste of time and the only option is to preemptively strike them?
I don't give two ***** or one ***** if Ajmehidandjihad has said that he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. That doesn't mean we can't put our best foot forward and ask them not to.
***** Israel, let them crap their collective brick. They're not exactly over there spreading sunshine and brotherly love amongst the people of the middle east either. - inactive, on 05/20/2008, -6/+21*****, Iran has made offers after 9/11 (which they condemned in terms as strong as any other country's), the Bush regime rejected them.
- jkoski, on 05/20/2008, -1/+16You keep saying this word peaceful. I do not think it means what you think it means.
- brstilson, on 05/20/2008, -0/+14"English ***** do you speak it?!"
"No"
"Oh........well.................alright then" - thentro, on 05/20/2008, -9/+23Well, in McCain's view we should have thrown away the red phone and bombed the hell out of Cuba.
- flink405, on 05/20/2008, -0/+14No...but "Vote Hillary Clinton" bumper stickers are still available.
- inactive, on 05/20/2008, -7/+21This is one of the few things I agree with Obama on, talking never hurt anybody. I'll never vote for Obama, but at least he understands the concept of diplomacy.
- Jexie, on 05/20/2008, -5/+19That doesn't make talking to the enemy wrong overall. Of course its not going to work every single time! History has proven it's done much more good than harm overall, and Bush's retard cowboy diplomacy has been 100% negative.
- BassMastr, on 05/20/2008, -3/+16When dealing with internationally recognized states, I think it makes more sense to talk to them before you bomb them.
This is about the only thing I agree with Obama on. Nothing scares someone more than looking them in the eye when you make your threats. (or "strong diplomacy")
Next question I would ask is if you are willing to take the next step if talks fail? - inactive, on 05/20/2008, -3/+16Well, would you kindly explain the harm caused by negotiations? Shouldn't you at least try to resolve the conflict peacefully at first?
- inactive, on 05/20/2008, -3/+16OMG, that's 91,100!
- inactive, on 05/20/2008, -2/+15Was there violence? Was there bloodshed? In the grand scheme of things, I'd have to say that that's pretty damn peaceful.
- thentro, on 05/20/2008, -2/+14Great response, but I have to cringe a little at using the term "cowboy diplomacy" while in Montana!
- BXRWXR, on 05/20/2008, -3/+15So is *****-Goblin...
- Smiths, on 05/20/2008, -0/+12Thank you... Most people know only the middle school history book version of this story. It was a quid-pro-quo situation. We removed nukes from Turkey, they removed nukes from Cuba. Part of the agreement was that this would not be disclosed for fear of the administration looking weak. Castro was deeply offended by the action, too. He felt the USSR had abandoned his country's interests to protect its own.
- pintomp3, on 05/20/2008, -2/+14the same way you would negotiate with Bush, who has an equally tenuous grip on reality. if we had negotiated before, a hard-liner like Ahmadinejad wouldn't have been elected. right after the iraq invasion, the first reformist president of iran, Khatami, offered a truce. we responded by placing iran on the "axis of evil". people gave up on pursuing peace with the west and elected Ahmadinejad.
- GeekXian, on 05/20/2008, -2/+14Seriously. If the President is going to have a meet and greet with those asshats he should at least put some good conditions on it... like his M&M's must be sorted by color, all of his beverages must be maintained at 35 degrees, and only wild lillies in his dressing room, too. That'll show 'em who's strong and tough!
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