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"Obama, Osma... are they brothers?"

wyff4.com — Pastor places church sign that suggests Senator Obama is a Muslim (and/or a Terrorist). He didn't think people would be offended...

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  • AlwaysDuggDown, on 04/23/2008, -220/+42Now let the digg comments ironically doing the exact same stereotyping begin (i.e. all Christians are backwards and believe this just because one pastor is a moron....)
    • Winston84, on 04/23/2008, -14/+153No, it's just FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS who are backwards .
      • suttercain, on 04/23/2008, -17/+49Anyone who believes in Zombies are backwards. Anyone who believes that the Earth was covered in water within the past 6000 years are backwards. Argue you all you want. Truth is truth, fiction is fiction.
        • Christianptriot, on 04/23/2008, -80/+9Actually there is geological proof, in Washington state, that the earth was covered with water at one time - globally covered. They have discovered fossils of plants in digs there of plants found only in the Middle East - and no other theory (which is what evolution is) explains how they got there.

          So you can accept the theory of evolution AND the world being covered with water, OR you can disbelieve them both., But if you hold to one theory being a truth, then you must, by default, hold that both are true.
          • Coven, on 04/23/2008, -3/+70"and no other theory"
            except plate tectonics
          • franklymister, on 04/23/2008, -2/+41The problems with taking the idea of a global flood literally are outlined well in this article: http://members.shaw.ca/tfrisen/evolution/Creationi ...

            But to put it simply, where would you expect to get enough water to flood the earth, and where would it go afterwards?

            There is evidence of a deluge in ancient times, but it would have been limited to an area around the Black Sea. A catastrophe, and enough to launch tales of a great flood, but by no means an earth-covering, continent-engulfing, Mt. Everest-drowning, worldwide flood.
          • gordonj, on 04/23/2008, -2/+46"Actually there is geological proof, in Washington state, that the earth was covered with water at one time - globally covered."

            I'm just curious, but how does "proof" in Washington state constitute evidence of a global flood? Logically there would be geological evidence on a GLOBAL scale for a GLOBAL flood.
          • ApokalypseNow, on 04/23/2008, -1/+33Plant fossils in Washington are not evidence of a global flood, or even of a local flood. All this is evidence of is either a) plate tectonics and continental drift, or b) historical climate change. The problem with Creationist "interpretations" of the evidence is that they walk into the exercise with the preconceived, unevidenced notion that these events actually happened, then try to make the evidence fit that mold.

            Simply put, there is no evidence of a global flood, and much evidence to the contrary.
            http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html
          • Coven, on 04/23/2008, -0/+19Another thing, where did all the water come from, and where did it all go? There isn't enough in the ice caps to cover the planet completely.
          • eir574, on 04/23/2008, -0/+34@Christianptriot:

            You're illustrating one of the main problems with much of the creation "science" I've seen. You say there are fossils of plants in Washington state that are only found in the middle east and that this is evidence of a global flood. However, the fact that this evidence isn't inconsistent with a global flood doesn't mean that it's evidence that a global flood actually happened, especially not when one considers that the observation could be explained by plate tectonics and continental drift.
          • duke3k, on 04/23/2008, -0/+17This is all I needed to see "actually there is geological proof, in Washington state, that the earth was covered with water at one time - globally covered." Really? Washington state speaks for the entire globe somewhere in its geological history, really?
          • katanaswordfish, on 04/23/2008, -0/+10For your information, the majority of the western USA including Washington and Oregon were created through millions of years of terrain accretion and tectonic movement. And the fact that you think that if you believe in 1 scientific theory, you have to believe in them all is absurd. Theories are highly-tested hypotheses with scientific backing in the form of physical and mathematical evidence. Not ever IDEA that anyone has ever had is a true theory. You can't just think of something and automatically assume it is a theory without doing multiple tests and years of research.
            "The western coast of North America is made of accreted island arcs."
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accretion_%28geology% ...
          • lamiaconfitor, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3That isn't a theory.
          • xyzvszodiac, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2ok, i've got two theories about this whole ark/flood thing. 1. there was no global flood (i watched a thing on history about speculation that an asteroid hitting the ocean could have flooded a large enough area that people there would have thought it was a world wide event when really it wasn't), just some guy who had a boat and some animals and his family and the story got embellished over time. 2. aliens from mars (yes, mars) took the dna sequence of all animals on their planet, put them in a space ship (the ark) and brought them here before their planet was destroyed by (insert your own mars destruction here). Once here, evolution took hold and changed the mars animals to what we see today. and yes, this theory means aliens put us here. you think i'm kidding, but no, i'm not, lol.
        • DarkSamus, on 04/23/2008, -3/+14zombies are real
        • stretch611, on 04/23/2008, -0/+11Sweet Zombie Jesus!
          (Note: You must have seen Futurama someplace other than adult swim. For some reason this was censored on CN.)
        • lamiaconfitor, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3I heard that on adult swim... when did they start censoring it?
          • stretch611, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2I would say listen carefully for the slight audio pause, but it is no longer on cartoon network. It appears that Comedy Central does not have the same reservation.
        • specialK16, on 04/23/2008, -2/+1Some Christians don't the Bible literally. Of course, you are so uptight that you are no willing to accept anything other than what you think.
          • maybemable, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0well those christians who do are all over the internet insulting the rest of us. It would make a lot more sense to be offended by those ppl giving you a bad name than fighting back at those of us who disagree with parables being taught as scientific fact.
          • specialK16, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1No, I'm not Christian, I defend both positions, as long as there is a level of tolerance on both sides. Of course, some bible thumpers arguments are way crazy.
          • suttercain, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1Please re-read my comment. I said within the past 6000 years.
      • mentallyinhell, on 04/23/2008, -4/+27Fundamentalist anything is backwards. Tunnel vision just doesn't work.
      • wonkavsn, on 04/23/2008, -4/+13Anyone who thinks they hold a monopoly over truth is backwards.
        • EtherGnat, on 04/23/2008, -3/+2I don't hold a monopoly on the truth. Sometimes people agree with me and they're right too.
      • issachar, on 04/23/2008, -2/+7Oh, I understand why you'd think that, but this isn't even about fundamentalist Christianity. It's about people combining faith & political allegiance.

        I grew up in a church you'd likely describe as fundamentalist, and I am Christian. (You might even describe me as a fundamentalist). And I can tell you that the church I attend now, the church I grew up in and every church I attended between the two would tell you that putting something like that on the church sign is a very poor move from a Christian pastor.

        For the record, I grew up in the Plymouth Brethren and I currently attend Willingdon Church in British Columbia.
        • wageslaven, on 04/23/2008, -3/+1After what I've heard recently of Mormonism and Fundamentalists in BC, I'm ashamed of my nation. I'm ashamed that you can't understand why this happens.
          • issachar, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5For starters if you're talking about the recent stuff in the news in Texas relating to BC, that's the Fundamentalist Church of Later Day Saints (FLDS), which is an offshoot of the LDS church in Utah, (which is what everyone is talking about when they say Mormon). As for equating the FLDS and "Fundamentalist Christian", the two aren't even the same religion.

            Stop thinking that "fundamentalist" is some sort of identifying group. It's merely a sub-group of whatever they're a fundamentalist of and it's a pretty vague sub-group at that.

            Oh, and what makes you think you know me well enough that I "don't understand why this happens"?
      • bluezinc, on 04/23/2008, -4/+5Muslim, Christian, they're equally backwards to me. If a religion says you must take all or none of it, you cannot pick and choose the parts to believe, this isn't a buffet.
        "I believe jesus was the bodily form of god, but there was no talking snake in the garden of eden"
    • triplehelix, on 04/23/2008, -4/+123any christian that thinks all muslims are terrorist kinda missed the message of their religion eh?
      • UberCoolCam, on 04/23/2008, -1/+10any PERSON that thinks all muslims are terrorist is wrong
      • joe122370, on 04/23/2008, -3/+3not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims
        • Moosh1973, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3Apart from the Unabomber, the IRA, the ALF, Basque Separatists, the Tamil Tigers, the Shining Path etc etc etc etc
          • suttercain, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1ALF was not a terrorist... he was an Extra Terrestrial from Melmac with an appetite for pussy... cats that is.
    • familynight, on 04/23/2008, -15/+3nvm
    • mattmy, on 04/23/2008, -21/+4well your certainly a moron
    • NoStoppingUs, on 04/23/2008, -42/+5this is a presidential campaign. i cant believe you obama supporters get 'offended' over stupid ***** like this. and you wonder why you lost PA in a LANDSLIDE to HILLARY CLINTON. BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      • RoloTomasie, on 04/23/2008, -2/+16We get offended because dumb ***** like this makes the news, and some people dignify it with some, even small, level of consideration.
      • scottc, on 04/23/2008, -0/+14You have a very strange definition of a landslide.
        • bluezinc, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5Hey, 56% = LANDSLIDE!!!! For Hillary supporters.

          Let him have his small victory, let him live the fantasy for a few more days.
      • relic180, on 04/23/2008, -4/+1It's funny how people can get excited over a hillary win or an obama win and even some people would get excited over a mccain win.
        Why don't these people get excited when ANY one of the three win, since they're all the exact same candidates.
      • ronaldinho, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3While I thought that putting up such a sign is not as much as a problem as most people here thinks it is, I AM informed enough to know that Obama is NOT a Muslim and is a Christian already. The thing is that it IMPLIES Obama is a Muslim when he's not to those who are not informed (and believe me, there are lots of people like that in America, stupid dumbass country) and might persuade them to vote a certain way. As some of you may know, churches are not allowed to take a political stand. I understood the pastor's motive, but he needs to come up with a better sign with better wording.
    • moolaismyfriend, on 04/23/2008, -9/+26White trash is a major problem in America. It may be the most serious problem.
      • pseudononymist, on 04/23/2008, -0/+10are you talking about unrecycled printer paper?
      • masterm1nd, on 04/23/2008, -3/+7Yes, because trashy people are great unless they're white...
      • wageslaven, on 04/23/2008, -4/+6The problem is *economic class* and not race. moolaismyfriend, ***** you to hell.
    • matarij, on 04/23/2008, -28/+4Word.
      Also, how dare the pastor use his right to free speech? What is this, America?
      • moolaismyfriend, on 04/23/2008, -3/+23LOL, never mind the fact he is breaking the law since he is tax exempt and is persuading people to vote a certain way. Its gutter culture.

        I know you are but what am I.
        • issachar, on 04/23/2008, -11/+1uh, I think it would be a terrible idea for a pastor to tell people how to vote, but is it really *illegal* for a pastor to do so? I hope you're wrong.
          • masterm1nd, on 04/23/2008, -1/+11Because we don't want candidates promoted on the governments dime.
          • wageslaven, on 04/23/2008, -2/+9And, here we see the GOP voter, utterly clueless.
          • issachar, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4@masterm1nd
            Oh, I fully agree that we don't want candidates being promoted on the governments dime. All religious organizations have tax exempt status, but that is an entirely separate issue. Giving the government the right to approve or disapprove religious sermons is also a terrible idea. A second bad idea doesn't make the first any better.

            oh, and @wagesalven... I'm not a GOP voter. I'm not US citizen either. I'm one of your friendly neighbours to the north. Sorry, I'll try to say "eh" in my next comment. For the record, it's not illegal in Canada for pastors to tell their congregants how to vote, but they never have in any church I've been in. Actually, we seem to have a very healthy separation of church and state without legislating what pastors can and cannot say.
          • relic180, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2It's illegal for religious institutions to tell U.S. citizens how to vote. It's not illegal for religious institutions to SUGGEST how god would vote.

            The former is technically a violation of the separation of church and state since it's essentially the church itself voting. The later is a typical manipulation of uncritical minds that religious institutions have been exploiting since the dawn of time... and essentially is a legal loophole.

            Hope that answers your question.
          • issachar, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0@relic180...

            It does answer my question thank you. And it does neatly solve the problem of not having the government tell religious leaders what they can preach. Not a bad solution given the options I guess. Although I would hope that pastors would refrain even from trying to tell me how God would vote. Certainly the pastors at the church I have attended have stayed well away from saying anything like that.
      • issachar, on 04/23/2008, -1/+19It's been said before, but I'll say it again here. Calling someone out for saying stupid things is not taking away their right to free speech.
    • Calcheesmo, on 04/23/2008, -2/+15Do you think maybe why you're always dugg down is because your comments are always stupid?
    • zyryx, on 04/23/2008, -5/+4if the shoe fits...
      • OwdenBowden, on 04/23/2008, -4/+1Actually if the Turban fits. Obama Osama its all the same. A vote for Obama is a vote for Islam which is a death sentence for all Americans.

        Just Say "NO to O in '08"
        • orlandogeek, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1Did your mom drop you on your head repeatedly as a child?
    • rspeed, on 04/23/2008, -8/+1People who believe Muslims don't believe in Jesus are backwards. He's their most important prophet, even more important than Muhammad.
      • issachar, on 04/23/2008, -1/+6For starters Mohammed is THE MOST important prophet in Islam.

        Secondly, you can say that Muslims, "believe in Jesus" but only by completely changing the meaning of the phrase "believe in Jesus". Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet who was only a man. Christians believe that Jesus is fully God and fully man and is part of the trinity, (Only 1 God but eternally existing in three persons), which is to say that Jesus was present and creation and through him the world was made.

        Not quite the same thing is it?

        So sure you can say "Muslims believe in Jesus" if you like, but only if you're trying to mislead.
        • notanidiot, on 04/23/2008, -5/+5Jesus never existed. Noone back then had a Hebrew name Jesus, because the Hebrew alphabet doesn't account for the J sound. He was called Yesshwa. Christians are so stupid. Jesus is a hispanic name, you tards!
        • specialK16, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2@Notanidiot: Oh for the love of god..........
        • rspeed, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Islam teaches that Jesus was a prophet AND the Messiah, but not the son of God. Muhammad has had a greater impact on the religion as he was the last prophet, but he was not the Messiah. The guy says they "don't believe in Jesus Christ", which is ridiculous.
          • issachar, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0Actually the pastor does NOT say that Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ. He *implies* that Barak Obama does not believe in Jesus which is an entirely different stupid statement. (Considering Obama himself says he is a Christian).

            However, even if he HAD said Muslims don't believe in Jesus, a sensible reading of context would lead you to conclude that a Christian pastor just *might* be using the phrase "believe in Jesus" in the sense that it's meant in every single Christian Church. (i.e. That Jesus is fully God and was not created by God, but is in fact part of the Trinity).

            And given that meaning, it's completely accurate to say that Muslims don't believe that. Face it rspeed, you just made a silly comment back there...
      • the6thReplicant, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2Yep and that's were the Christian appeasement started. Muslims should have just said "our prophet is better than yours" and stuck with that instead they did the Scientology thing "yeah we except all religions....but you'll probably should get rid of them sooner or later...especially after OT4" :)
    • TecK415, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3Not everyone stereotypes people when one person is slimy douche bag.
    • bluezinc, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1We're playing right into his name...
    • parabolee, on 04/23/2008, -5/+3Yes all Christians are backwards. If the definition of a Christian is one who believes the teachings of the bible. And unless you have never read the bible I would say it would be very difficult to disagree with that statement, unless you are also backwards.

      And by "backwards" I mean holding on to ancient superstitions that defy logic, reason and science.

      Although I would not say that all Christians believe this because of one idiotic pastor.
    • notthatnoise, on 04/23/2008, -2/+6his congregation did vote unanimously to keep the sign, so they seem pretty backwards...
  • Shapdawg1, on 04/23/2008, -16/+697Pastor Roger Byrd, Former KKK member and U.S. Senator Robert Byrd? ...are they brothers? Grand Wizards? It's just a question. I'm trying to make people think.
    • exgop, on 04/23/2008, -64/+10There is proof that Senator Byrd was in the KKK. Where is your proof about this preacher?
      • Coven, on 04/23/2008, -34/+14There is proof that Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim. Only one out of the two in question need to apply to the accusation in order for the insinuation to work.
        • heypetray, on 04/23/2008, -4/+19And this "proof" you speak of... are you planning on sharing it?
          • p0s3r, on 04/23/2008, -5/+18You don't think Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim?
          • kingmanic, on 04/23/2008, -2/+12p0s3r: According to many Muslims he's not. Just like according to many Christians Hitler wasn't. When the action say one thing and the mouth another who are we to believe.
          • Ravenlark, on 04/23/2008, -12/+7Hitler was Catholic.

            But who's counting anyway? They're all nuts.
          • p0s3r, on 04/23/2008, -11/+2@kingmanic
            Osama's mouth matches his actions.
          • Bilabrin, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2Here you go. I found this after and extensive 3-click search.... there was some scrolling involved as well but I found it.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
          • Bilabrin, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2Sorry, I think I misunderstood the thread chain here.
          • heypetray, on 04/23/2008, -2/+2Apology accepted.
      • Shapdawg1, on 04/23/2008, -7/+47I was just asking a question. You don't need proof to ask a question.
        • giveer, on 04/23/2008, -1/+40"Is your mother a whore?' What? I'm not saying she's a whore. I'm just wondering out loud if she is a whore. All I'm saying is that reasonable people who have banged your mother for money can disagree." - Jon Stewart, 2006
      • minorthreat, on 04/23/2008, -0/+13woosh....
      • zardoz73, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5Ok, I'll do it: exgop, shapdawg is being satirical (look it up in a dictionary, if you own one).
      • IIAmusedII, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1Woosh is right. Wow, how dumb some people can be, eh? Where are you from, exgop? I have a few theories.
    • Zarokima, on 04/23/2008, -4/+51The pastor should start thinking a little bit himself.
      "is [Obama] Muslim ? I don't know. He says he's not. I hope he's not. " --Pastor Roger Byrd
      • str1fe, on 04/23/2008, -1/+30He likes talking in short sentences, it seems.
        • heypetray, on 04/23/2008, -0/+16Truly a man of God.
        • AZSanMan, on 04/23/2008, -7/+27Last I heard, Muslims are men of God as well. Both groups of fools believe in the same supreme being and are killing each other over the right to be his chosen ones.
          • e3boy, on 04/23/2008, -2/+21Amen brother! :)
            But really the reason those people are killing each other has less to do about religion and more about territorial control.
            Religion is a tool that is used to stir up emotions and get people to fight for your cause.
        • BJLStorm, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3Silly people fighting over who's Spagetti Monster is real.
    • jd33, on 04/23/2008, -3/+37Who care's about Osama, who's this Osma guy? I bet he's a real badass, I'm hiding.
    • BaldGuy, on 04/23/2008, -3/+7Even Senator Bryd seems way more intelligent than this guy.
      • MacEnvy, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2If you knew anything about Senator Byrd, you'd know that he is indeed MUCH more intelligent than this pastor, even at the age of 90. He may have a dark past (way in the past), but he is incredibly smart and well-respected by his fellow Senators.
    • shoutsmurmurs, on 04/23/2008, -0/+20Wasn't is Sen. Byrd that said, "Why, a colored warning system! I've been waiting for one of those for years!"
    • thestranger, on 04/23/2008, -1/+6Is this pastor related to Larry Bird?
    • Gemfinder, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4This guy's mind needs stirring. With a balloon whisk.
    • Elliuotatar, on 04/23/2008, -0/+17Pacman and Pacman Jones... are they related?
    • Jordan117, on 04/23/2008, -10/+1Um, not the best comparison, considering that Sen. Byrd was a KKK member himself:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Participa ...
      • DocCochran, on 04/23/2008, -0/+12...that was the point.

        If looking at the one letter difference between the last name of a Muslim terrorist and the last name of a U.S. Presidential candidate and asking, "Are they brothers?" is an acceptable question, why isn't it acceptable to make the analogy looking at the zero-letter difference in the last names of the Pastor Byrd and the former KKK Senator Byrd? Seems like the closer likelihood to an actual relation would be in the cases where the names ACTUALLY matched, instead of where they didn't.
        • monroylobo, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1first names of candidate and terrorist...
        • DocCochran, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1....ugh, I meant first name of Muslim terrorist. Sorry. Haha, since they aren't even last names, how the hell would they be brothers?

          Our country is retarded.
      • plutarch, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3That's.... the point. Check the comma placement in the parent of this tangent :)
    • JointVenture, on 04/23/2008, -12/+4Well their both DEMOCRATS.
    • sny1120, on 04/23/2008, -1/+51comparing a first name to another person's last name and it is off by one letter and one person is on the other side of the planet....this is an all time low
      how about george bush and boy george?
      john mccain and elton john ?
      donald rumsfeld and ronald mcdonald?




      • daishin, on 04/23/2008, -0/+7Oh *****! That makes a lot of sense.
    • cheezintern, on 04/23/2008, -1/+28Does he have sex with his sister and family pets regularly? I don't know. It makes you think.

      I like this form of questioning, you can really have some fun with it.
      • StormTroopr, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Faux news uses it in their headlines all the time.

        "Bush the best president ever?"
    • winnestow, on 04/23/2008, -11/+3brothers? don't know. but they are both democrats. democrats - former KKK's, murderers (kenedy), racists (obama).

      • gahal, on 04/23/2008, -1/+6I see words in your post, yet it looks as though you just randomly placed them. Is there a coherent thought anywhere in there?
        • katanaswordfish, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5Its a DDOS dictionary attack! He's trying to break the internets!
    • oriondr, on 04/23/2008, -1/+6Donald Rumsfeldt & Don Quixote? Think about it..
      • mightycbu, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1....donald duck? hmmm, gots me tinkin, billy bob
    • falafelkiosken, on 04/23/2008, -3/+9Christianity, Islam… hmm aren't they sister religions?
    • ByrcheWroot, on 04/23/2008, -3/+8It's ignorant dumbasses like this pastor that gets the wrong people in the White House.
    • degron, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5But in Christianity don't they consider everyone to be brothers and sisters? I mean since every one came from Adam and Eve then aren't we all related?
    • mightycbu, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Jesus from Nazareth an Jesus from the big lebowski? are they the same???
      BTW, do we really want anyone making decisions on a religious basis?
    • diggimator, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Pastor Roger Byrd does not believe in Jesus Christ. I'm not trying to offend anyone. Is he related to a Osama? I don't know. He says he's not. I don't mean to be racial or political. Just trying to stir people's minds. 1 + 1 = 3. Is balancing the budget related to Osama? I don't know. Economists say they're not. I'm not trying to offend anyone. Just trying to stir people's minds. All hail the Republican Party!
    • LeeSoong, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1Why, yes - they are all brothers, considering the very tiny difference in human DNA from one person to the next, and just a little more difference between ***** sapiens and chimpanzees, we are all Brother and Sisters to each other.

      This is where the wonderful insight of knowledge and science overrides the mythological ignorance of religion and short sightedness of cultural nationalism.
  • ZandorMonkeyBoy, on 04/23/2008, -15/+240I need an emoticon that has a hand patting a redneck on the head like a dumb kid in an "It's ok that you're a moron" fashion.
    • moocow1452, on 04/23/2008, -3/+1049(:{)
      (8|)
      • h3llscaper, on 04/23/2008, -0/+17bravo
      • Shfork, on 04/23/2008, -0/+12Wow. Actually very well done.
      • inkyblue2, on 04/23/2008, -0/+20the redneck looks like the pringles guy, but wow, good one.
        • rentmitchum, on 04/23/2008, -0/+12 ____________
          (_,'(:{)x______(|

          pringles can lol.. I tried my damndest
      • kday, on 04/23/2008, -0/+8I busted up after seeing your icon.

        Well done sir.
    • Lyght, on 04/23/2008, -2/+7It's not okay if he's a registered voter.
      • moolaismyfriend, on 04/23/2008, -1/+5Exactly remove his tax exempt status and sue the ***** outta the bigot.

        :)
    • rezist, on 04/23/2008, -19/+3Pro Obamabots fail to realize that "rednecks" are what fills the entire middle of the United States. They also vote and will unfortunately put another Republican in office this time. Obama can't win a state that actually matters in terms of the general election. I think Obama's a great guy but America will not vote a bi-racial man into office this time. I come form a multi-racial family and I'm a Dem. but issues matter to me more than statements.
      • br0wnstar, on 04/23/2008, -1/+5Those rednecks would vote Mccain no matter who the Democrats leader is....
        • jeeky, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0Yuck.
        • rezist, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2Finally a reply within an Obama thread (the only threads recently) I get unduug constantly for my views but I'm honestly someone who works hard and spends too much time researching American politics. Obama is winning republican states, Hillary will have McCain killed if she's nominated. We need a democrat right about now (economy/abortion/stem cell/war/environment) The party's ***** not because she's still in it but because Obama wasn't supposed to screw this election. I'm not trying to piss people off but really come on... a bi-racial pres. in the U.S. now?
          • kday, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Learn to express your thoughts clearly and with an argument. People don't necessarily mod you down based on your beliefs, they mod you down based on how you express them.
          • Andrwmorph, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Whats so bad about a bi-racial president?
          • rezist, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2kday I don't get dugg down outside of threads full of people who refuse to be open minded (religious threads, political threads, sports, social issues, drugs) unless I intend to illicit a negative response. My views were presented in a straight forward manner as they consistently are. I am dugg down due to the passionate Obama supporters who disagree. The number of pro-Obama front pagers are not reflective of our Dem. parties stance. Clinton hasn't seen any positive stories here, I believe that is reflective of the demographics of Digg and our biases which are ill founded.

            Andrwmorph there is nothing wrong with a bi-racial anything, I'm not sure why people are so blind to the racial tension in our country. Race relations in America are absolutely at a boiling point, although certain areas are worse than others. I wouldn't be surprised, although I would be extremely angry and saddened, if A minority presidential candidate was hurt or killed purposely.
      • notanidiot, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1What you fail to realize is that black voters will be mobilized like never before. Before it was the white trash that swayed the election for Bush, now it will be the ghetto garbage.
      • the6thReplicant, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1So we can blame these so called rednecks for our national debt, our corrupt administration and our economy in the gutter. Great! Well done! What's next? Tthey vote for the person with the most flag pins on their lapel?
      • twentytortures, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1"Pro Obamabots fail to realize that "rednecks" are what fills the entire middle of the United States."

        If you're speaking geographically: Don't call me a redneck, *****.
        If you're speaking socially: Don't call me a redneck, *****.
    • JointVenture, on 04/23/2008, -30/+3Well Obama gets the crack head, alcoholic , jobless, fatherless, welfare, ***** vote so whats your point?

      I think its acceptable to call a ***** a ***** if you are going to call an ignorant white person a redneck.

      Their both ignorant.
      • thehuntedpossum, on 04/23/2008, -5/+1you actually think those people give enough of a ***** to vote? every election, there are millions spent to get just those sort of people out to vote, but to no avail.
      • thebellmaster1x, on 04/23/2008, -3/+13"Their both ignorant."
        DERP DERP
        Also, enjoy your report, *****.
        • masterm1nd, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2I would hope you also reported the guy who used the ethnic slur first and not in an anti racist manner. I love it how people say racist stuff with barely if any guff. Then, when someone calls the racist out, that person is labeled racist. It happens all the time, watch for it.
        • JointVenture, on 04/23/2008, -6/+2So hows that Hall monitor gig going for you punk?

          Apparently not to well.
          • masterm1nd, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1How's your other digg account working for you.
      • jeeky, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2They're
        • JointVenture, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1I know, I know, I do that all the time when I post on digg. Still haven't figured out why.
      • Diderotten, on 04/23/2008, -2/+1You've actually got a point there, when you look past your racist tendencies. I hate being called a redneck, though a lot of people around me see that as a status thing, just like how some people call themselves or friends a *****. It's what happens when people start adhering to their stereotypes. People need to look past that. We're actually attacking reigious zealots, and the Jesse Helmsish neo-conservatism.
    • 22magnum, on 04/23/2008, -6/+4yea... thats not stereotyping...
      • JCPahl, on 04/23/2008, -2/+3How's this for stereotyping: anyone who references firearms in their screenname is a redneck.
        • SpanOfTheBow, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3JCPahl, are you offended that someone disagrees with stereotyping, so you have to stereotype them? What if he were a police officer or in the military? What if he's into guns because he knows sometimes they are necessary. Maybe someone he knows was hurt or killed by another person, like I do -

          A. MY BEST FRIEND WAS ROBBED AT GUNPOINT, AND NOT IN A "BAD NEIGHBORHOOD"
          B. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SHOT - EXCLUDING VETERANS
          C. A FRIEND OF MINE WAS A VICTIM OF A CARJACKING, AND HIS CAR WAS FOUND TORCHED, IN A FIELD
          D. A FRIEND OF MINE WAS MURDERED BY SOMEONE WHO RAN HIM OVER, THEN BACKED OVER HIM AGAIN, AFTER THE MURDERER'S FRIENDS NEARLY HAD MY FRIEND UNCONSCIOUS. A GUN COULD HAVE SAVED MY FRIEND'S LIFE, WHETHER BY DETERRENCE OR BY KILLING THE ONE WHO INTENDED TO KILL.

          If you think I only know a lot of people who get into bad situations, think again. My best friends are physicists, engineers, doctors, language specialists, artists, IT-types, psychologists, among other things. If you think I'm a redneck, then you'd have to redefine your stereotype of "redneck". I've been tested by a neuropsychologist to be a genius. Any genius can be an ignoramus or a bigot, too, but I am neither, and I do not allow myself to make ignorant judgment of others. I don't need to have the mind I do to realize that if the law-abiding among us had no firearms, we'd be ignorant, because from small-time criminals to organized crime, we would be pushovers. The only solution is to melt down all firearms and munitions, globally. But, the cat has been out of the bag since gunpowder made its debut, and too much money is involved for there to be a global revolution against lethal weapons.

          So, JCPahl, you need to get out more, or stop sheltering yourself. If you get out and start talking to people, you will find out that you have a connection to someone who has been on at least one end of the barrel. Excluding veterans.

          AND, IF YOU ARE UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO LOSE SOMEONE YOU LOVE TO MURDER, YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF RE-THINKING YOUR IDEAS ABOUT FIREARMS. DON'T PRETEND YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR EVERYONE WHEN YOU HAVE LIVED A SHELTERED LIFE. LOOK IN THE EYES OF PEOPLE WHOSE LOVED ONES HAVE BEEN MURDERED, AND TELL THEM YOU THINK ONLY REDNECKS AND THUGS WANT GUNS.

          YOU ARE FORTUNATE THAT HEARTBREAKING LOSS HAS NOT CAUSED YOU TO CONFRONT THE FRAGILE ILLUSION THAT EVERYTHING AROUND YOU IS PEACEFUL AND NICE. IF YOU FAVOR PACIFISM, I RESPECT THAT ABOUT YOU, AND I TRULY HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE TO EXERCISE THAT PACIFISM IN THE FACE OF POSSIBLE GUNFIRE.

          • JCPahl, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1Whoa, there. This assumption that I'm against firearms is pure inference on your part; my comment was entirely tongue-in-cheek. C'mon, it's pretty funny that the person getting upset about rednecks being stereotyped fits the stereotypical bill of the redneck, isn't it? Just poking fun is all. For the record, I'm with you as an enormous fan of the 2nd Amendment.

            But why would you respect pacifism? Isn't pacifism an immoral concept, in that it requires others to fight the necessary battles that you avoid? I have no respect for pacifists, so we can argue that if you like.
          • davewashere, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1There's a difference between recognizing the necessity of guns in certain situations and using a specific gun as your online identity. Face it, if you identify so closely with firearms that you want one to be the name that people call you by, you will be stereotyped as a redneck.
        • twentytortures, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Somebody never developed a humor lobe...
        • 22magnum, on 04/24/2008, -0/+2i don't mind if you call me a redneck, what bothers me is you're implying that being a redneck gives me certain beliefs. Which it doesn't.
    • jabberwolf, on 04/23/2008, -3/+1It is stereotyping for sure, but remember Obama's father was a muslim and in the extreme left wing Kenyatta tribe. This is why he left Obama and his mother for Kenya. And Obama's next father was also a muslim.

      So with Extreme leftists, as well as an extreme liberal mother, as well as an extreme leftest preacher, wanting to make friends with IRAN (that had BASIJ kids march across landmines with plastic keys to heaven).... by themselves mean nothing, but together....
      Sorry TOO MUCH TOGETHER TO IGNORE AS NOTHING!
      • diggimator, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Osama is not a leftist. Obama is not muslim.
  • Cheezwiz, on 04/23/2008, -24/+106"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Matthew 5:11
    • giveer, on 04/23/2008, -24/+12Okay, yeah, see it says: "People will revile you and persecute you for my sake." it DOESN'T say "People will revile you and persecute you because you're an inconsiderate ASS." There's a big difference - and for those who think "I can act how I please because I've got "right" on my side" should read that parable about the snotty rich guy and the humble guy. I don't care what you believe - everyone hates an *****.
      • heypetray, on 04/23/2008, -1/+13I think you're talking about the wrong guy.
        • giveer, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1I think there was an undefined pronoun in there somewhere.. because I think you might be thinking I'm talking about the wrong guy whom you're thinking I'm thinking is the right guy. Which it isn't.
          • heypetray, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1So so we're on the same page.. the Pastor is the *****.. that's what you were saying, right?
          • giveer, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1yeah I was making a comment that many -I was gonna say Christians, but we'll just say religious people, think they can do whatever they want "in the Name of the Lord" and subsequently say "See? The Bible says you'll hate me because I'm right." When actually the rest of us just think "Umm no.... I actually hate you because you're being a dick." That's what I meant. I see where the mix up was though... Good Good.
      • mattmy, on 04/23/2008, -2/+4most my friends are assholes.... i like it that way
      • blagoaw, on 04/23/2008, -3/+0As I understood it, the guy being reviled/persecuted in Barack Obama, and the guy doing the reviling/persecuting is the inconsiderate ass. Considering he's not a Muslim (sure, he may have lingering Muslim sympathies -- and if so, I would consider that valuable given our present geopolitical climate, but that's for another topic..), it's got a little added complication.. but it is apparent that reviling a man for being a Muslim is something that this pastor would feel content to do. The implication is that perhaps this is questionable behavior coming from a guy who presents himself as a follower of the Bible (there's ample cause in there to stomp and squash the ***** out of the heathen faiths as well if you like, but if he chooses to do that, it is revealing of character).
      • blagoaw, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2never mind my comment above. now that I read the matthew quote again, I can see that it was a pretty serious misinterpretation.
    • mattmy, on 04/23/2008, -4/+6hmm wonder who my parents named me after.....

    • betterth, on 04/23/2008, -12/+4Why is this ass being dugg up?

      The only reason this ***** is allowed is because of freedom of speech - but we will make fun of them for exercising their freedom of speech -- that's our freedom of speech.

      However, you cannot honestly believe that lying on a church board makes god happy and that he would approve. You can't just write off criticisms as 'proof you're on the right track'.
      • ronaldinho, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1It was a question (and a rhetorical one at that), not a statement. It was not a lie (or not a blatant attempt to). He didn't come out and say Obama is a Muslim. It was merely a thought-provoking question (but the wording could be better to avoid any controversy)
    • shuckl4k, on 04/23/2008, -4/+9dugg up for my own interpretation of the "ye" referring to obama. good use of the scripcha in that sense.
      • rentmitchum, on 04/23/2008, -3/+1*wonders if shuck things scripture is spelled scriptcha.*

        If yes, awesome. I don't wanna be a grammar nazi, I just like unique spellings.
    • rezist, on 04/23/2008, -19/+2Get that magical garbage the ***** o of Digg. Are you serious? Pro Obama religious references are acceptable yet all others are buried? You guys can keep your 700 auto digging friends, I can't wait till this election is over so Digg can partially return to normalcy. Although I do not look forward to McCain winning if Obama is nominated.
      • betterth, on 04/23/2008, -0/+7What are you even responding to? You make no sense in context.
        • katanaswordfish, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Ahh, don't worry. He doesn't make sense out of context either. =/
        • rezist, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1follow the line up up up
      • rentmitchum, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1I find your lack of faith disturbing.
    • shawn1122, on 04/23/2008, -4/+3Yes, because that verse obviously means that God wants us to annoy and piss off as many people as we can. It isn't hard to interpret verses from the bible, but I guess if you dont believe in it, you are bound to interpret it in the worst way possible. What I see from that verse is: if other people are angry at you and being hateful towards you just because you are Christian, then, if you dont respond negatively, you will be blessed. I guess people will just read into things the way that they want to..
      • ThinkBox, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3Its mostly about context, not just random sayings that you apply to whatever you want..
    • quaunaut, on 04/23/2008, -1/+7Two seperate posters here aren't getting it: Cheezwiz is saying that for Obama's sake, not the Pastor's.
    • xlneoMAXlx, on 04/23/2008, -7/+3gg for quoting the bible like its going out of style
      oh wait it is.
    • BobOki, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3"It's simply to cause people to realize and to see what possibly could happen if we were to get someone in there that does not believe in Jesus Christ," he said.

      Why yes, we would have someone who makes decisions based on facts, common sense, and feedback from his peers, not a cosmic zombie.
    • Shawn4168, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4Amazing how the Bible is always reviled, ridiculed, and bashed in here. But as soon as somebody finds a quote to further the cause of the Digg agenda, everybody's suddenly like "ZOMG DIGG IT UP NOW!!!!!!!"
      • notthatnoise, on 04/23/2008, -2/+2yes that makes sense, the typical digg user likes things they agree with, and the typical digg user doesn't believe in the bible, the point of posting this quote is to show the hypocricy of this pastor
        • ukfan, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Judging from many of the diggs on this article, the typical digg user has absolutely no religous education or understanding and is completely lacking in the "tolerance" they deride in others.
      • rezist, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1I said that in so many words up top and the kiddes couldn't be bothered to follow the thread line up to what I was responding to... Digg is full of high school kids and college drop outs now.
      • HeroreV, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1Yeah, it really disappointing to me to see this getting voted up. I for one voted it down.
    • namredips, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3Any sentence, biblical or not, taken out of context is dangerous. However, in this particular verse it is most key to understand the "... falsely, for my sake" portion. As if that portion of the sentence is not true, then the beginning of the sentence is not true. In other words, if one is being persecuted truthfully.. not necessarily blessed. If one is being persecuted for falsely, but not for Christ's sake... again not necessarily blessed. So it at least begs the question of whether or not what the pastor (or obama depending on your perspective) is doing is for Christ's sake
  • buhbyebot, on 04/23/2008, -14/+253"Byrd also said he doesn't want it to look like controversy forced him to take the sign down."
    Isn't PRIDE [hubris, vanity] one of the 7 deadly sins? Maybe he should re-read the 'good' book.

    Of course, why would one remove a sign of hatred from "the church of god"... ***** fundie idiots.
    • The_Wallbanger, on 04/23/2008, -2/+114If pride won't allow the minister from removing his sign, maybe an IRS investigation into his church's tax exempt status would? [By law, churches cannot engage in partisan political activity.]
      • DarkSamus, on 04/23/2008, -8/+2lmfaouch!
      • Dragular, on 04/23/2008, -9/+1Have they started taxing Barack's "White people bad!" church yet?

        Not defending this move, pretty much beyond idiotic IMO, but still...
        • sulthernao, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Were they endorsing Obama smart-ass?
    • Christianptriot, on 04/23/2008, -5/+29man coined the 7 deadly sins. In God's words, ALL sins are deadly - in terms of eternal life - if you do not repent of them.
      • oregonguy, on 04/23/2008, -2/+5Absolutely correct
      • JaronDiggGuy, on 04/23/2008, -2/+9I don't see any reason to digg him down...he made a valid point and is telling the truth (from his religion's perspective).
      • namredips, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2agree, there is no hierarchy of sin in the christina religion. Contemplation of that fact has intense ramifications on how to view sin...
        • jennyfofenny, on 04/23/2008, -1/+0Catholicism is a Christian religion and I'm pretty sure in the Roman Catholic church there is a hierarchy. Mortal sins(from the Ten Commandments) are weightier than other sins.
        • halleyscomet, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1@jennyfofenny

          According to the Bible itself, ALL sins are equal and we are ALL equally deserving of damnation.
        • jennyfofenny, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1The phrase is used in I John 5.16 -17: "If you see your brother or sister committing what is not a mortal sin, you will ask, and God will give life to such a one - to those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin that is mortal; I do not say you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not mortal."

          Apparently you can go to Hell for either, but the Bible does distinguish a difference (as do the Ten Commandments).
    • asauterChicago, on 04/23/2008, -2/+31According to the bible, we're all brothers right? So I fail to see the point of the reverends question. He himself, by his teachings, is a brother of Osama Bin Laden and Barack Obama. Unless he forgot about a pretty important passage: "For ye are all the children of God"... which is kind of the point of the whole bible, you know "love they brother"

      but maybe the good reverend can take this passage to heart " You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat your brother or sister with contempt? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat."
      • jstone, on 04/23/2008, -1/+7You're not reading the Bible in the context of what it is: a tribal religious book. It is speaking to the Hebrews, saying that they are the children of god. Other tribes/races/people were originally not included in that statement. It was only after the Romans got their hands on it that it became a blanket statement about all of the religion's followers.
        • halleyscomet, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1No, it was Jesus who expanded the definition to all mankind, a shift that caused major debates between Paul and Peter over the issue of circumcising gentiles. That circumcision debate by the way, is the reason Christians today aren't supposed to be bound by the purity laws, even though fundamentalist pastors will gladly pick and choose the purity laws that they want to force people to follow.
    • bemidia, on 04/23/2008, -0/+15Actually, he had to swallow his pride. A link at the bottom takes you to an article about how they took it down on Tuesday because of national outcry. ^_^
    • 0ceanic, on 04/23/2008, -2/+8TAKE THEIR ***** TAX EXEMPT STATUS AWAY.
  • homerj1965, on 04/23/2008, -17/+144Anybody have the church's phone number so Digger's can educate this preacher type person?
    • ZandorMonkeyBoy, on 04/23/2008, -5/+186623 Forest St
      Jonesville, SC 29353-1513
      Phone: (864) 674-0883
      • franklymister, on 04/23/2008, -6/+45You're only playing into their hands. They're the church equivalent of an internet troll. Ignore them.
        • glasnostic, on 04/23/2008, -2/+32no i don't think a bigot should just be ignored. i think they should be publicly shamed.
        • mekareami, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5I agree, or if he is incapable of shame, he should at least be buried under a ton of phone calls and snail mail regarding topics that the redneck would take great offence to.
        • narcofiche, on 04/23/2008, -0/+6How many people actually call a church anyway?
          • katanaswordfish, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Sometimes you just can't wait for sunday's confessions! lol
        • blagoaw, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1don't feed the trolls. not even to the lions.
        • CarStan, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2But they are Real-Life trolls! They are resistant to sunlight. The old 'ignore him and let him starve in his cave tactic' doesn't apply here. They might walk around and hurt people.
        • comradeTJH, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2You can always RickRoll them ;-)

          http://www.prankdialer.com/
      • heypetray, on 04/23/2008, -1/+26Can anybody confirm this?

        & Franklymister is right. You can't argue with stupid people. They bring you down to their level where they have all the experience.
        • Matri, on 04/23/2008, -4/+1And they have the medals & awards to prove it.
        • blagoaw, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0They're smart enough to realize that though they may never win you over, they can still come out on top and it'll have nothing to do with reason. This is why I detest politics.
      • plr4ever, on 04/23/2008, -0/+7Disconnected. Wimps
      • Calcheesmo, on 04/23/2008, -1/+6Just call him and ask, "Well Pastor, would Christ make such an assumption? Would he not be forgiving even if Obama was a Muslim?" Oh man...now I remember why I hate religion.
      • cookingboy, on 04/23/2008, -0/+19Wow...Digg users are becoming almost as good as the FBI at tracking people down.....
        • inverselogic, on 04/23/2008, -1/+5better
        • SkinnerIJA, on 04/23/2008, -0/+7We're that good...
        • 4d669, on 04/23/2008, -1/+7Using google is not hard.
        • ZandorMonkeyBoy, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5Maybe I should focus on finding Osama Bin Laden next.

          Oh wait, there he is! He was behind the couch the whole time!
          • 4d669, on 04/24/2008, -0/+11. Use google
            2. Realize Bhutto already said he died and who killed him on national tv
            3. ?????
            4. PROFIT
      • KingGorilla, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Digg powers activate!!! If we can get a guy a prom date we can take down this guy!
        • Navicerts, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Well, you have not been reading enough - we CANT get a guy a prom date.
      • BobOki, on 04/23/2008, -7/+3Why yes, I would love to see Digg/anonymous tackle Christianity. More people have died in its name than Scientology x20000, and yet it is still considered ok.
      • jimjoke, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1Once the Internet is through with Scientology, we'll tackle Christians and Muslims :3
    • homanh, on 04/23/2008, -3/+7Guys you need to also digg up homerj to get diggers attention not just zandor
    • PolishLogic, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1Educate them about the difference between plural and possessive?

      (couldn't resist)
  • PopcornDave, on 04/23/2008, -18/+12Maybe someone will donate some Ginkoba in the collection plate to increase this moronic pastor's intelligence. What a tool. And what a way for the south to show they've come in to the 19'th century.
    • siszam, on 04/23/2008, -4/+25This church does not represent the south or most Christians. I grew up in the South and I'm a Christian. I never, ever had a pastor tell me how to vote or think or say such a crazy thing as this church sign says. It's just like any other group. There are always few ignorant trouble makers. That is not a Southern thing. That's a human thing. Don't think so? You must be new.
      • sunkist22, on 04/23/2008, -2/+10A few of the atheists you encounter does not represent most Atheists. It's just like any other group. There are always a few ignorant trouble makers. It's not an atheist thing? don you think so? You must be ignorant?
    • Christianptriot, on 04/23/2008, -1/+8Ginkoba is for memory, if you believe the TV and magazine ads. Did you forget to take yours?
      • katanaswordfish, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1You're absolutely right that herbal medicines were invited by TV and Magazine adds... *eye roll*... I'm not defending the guy and im not really into herbal medicine, but some people are into alternative medicine and its ignorant for you to just **** on their beliefs. Just be aware that some people really do believe in that sort of thing and they aren't forcing their beliefs on anyone else (unlike some groups), so just be honorific and considerate.
        "In the written record, the study of herbs dates back over 5,000 years to the Sumerians"
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbal_medicine
    • insllvn, on 04/23/2008, -3/+5If this pastor represents the South, does Jeremiah Wright represent the North? Try not to sink to that level.
      • franklymister, on 04/23/2008, -3/+4Try not to link the decorated Marine, highly educated Rev. Wright with this idiot.
        • insllvn, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5Oh certainly, Rev Wright is a far better man than the obviously racist and bigoted pastor of this church. I may even feel some sympathy or agreement with Wrights sentiments. I just object to the idea he represents the South, anymore than Rev Wright and his America-critical view and conspiracy centric rants represent some imagined effete socialist North.

          I should point out, what is more offensive than either generalization is this statement, made by Pastor Roger Byrd : "It's simply to cause people to realize and to see what possibly could happen if we were to get someone in there that does not believe in Jesus Christ." The idea that someone who did note believe in Jesus would be categorically unqualified to hold the office of president defies words in terms of its bigotry and ignorance. It dwarfs both the stupid cheap shot at Obama's name on the sign, and anything Wright may ever have dreamed of uttering.
        • katanaswordfish, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2I love how people are so mad about Reverend Wright saying critical things about the United States government. In my opinion, the ones who truly love this country the most are the ones who can look at it critically and hope for change. McCain is dubbed a hero by the media because he served in Vietnam, but is he any more of a hero than any other soldier in that war, or any other war even? Wright served honorably as a marine and when he speaks honestly about the fact that western influence has been a huge factor in causing tension in the middle east, he gets called a vagrant for expressing his opinions. Why is it that we live in a country that claims to embrace freedom of speech when ANY criticism of this country at all is completely taboo and labeled as un-patriotic??? Wright said some controversial things, as did MLK in his time if you look at his speech history, but at least Wright didn't make up blatant ***** lies about a political candidate in order to sway ignorant people's votes. Free speech is one thing, defamation is another thing entirely.
    • ErrorS, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Can't speak for the South but I know here in Indiana it's that way.. they're all the same, bigoted, hillbilly pieces of trash that are stuck in the 1950s. I wish I had $10 for every "GOD BLESS BUSH" sign I've seen outside of a church.
      I'm a God loving Catholic, I'm Christian, but I'm not stupid.. 90% of rural Christians are inbred slackjawed morons, this includes fellow Catholics. I don't feel the need to defend a whole religion because I share some of their beliefs, I wish others felt the same.
      • issachar, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0inbred, slackjawed morons.... I can just feel how you're loving your neighbour as yourself right now...
  • lelandpalmer, on 04/23/2008, -9/+54What a moron.
    • smrekar, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2anyone else read mormon? Mitt?
    • BobOki, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Remember Digg, these are the guys that dictate what we consider moral and good. I guess it is now ok to persecute anyone whos name is close to a criminals.
  • theutopian, on 04/23/2008, -18/+94This is why there is no hope whatsoever for this country.
    • N00F, on 04/23/2008, -0/+15That's not a very Canadian thing to say (I too am a Canadian)
    • sampanc, on 04/23/2008, -0/+7Well, the fact that there are this many people who oppose of the pastor's actions prove otherwise.
  • exgop, on 04/23/2008, -122/+11If you look at the people Obama associates himself with, I can see why this preacher get confused. Obama hangs around people who hate America, Rev Write, and the weather underground, Bin Laden also hates America. His own wife hates America like Bin Laden.
    • jamesfrmmaine, on 04/23/2008, -4/+56You hate America. There just cause some yahoo said it does it make it true? Do you like repeating propaganda?
      Oh and just throw Bin Laden in there for good measure because that makes sense.

      Your completely wrong but if you want to follow through on your ***** logic look at the people george bush associates himself with. Hes best friends with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia everyone in Saudi Arabia hates America, 8 of the 11 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis so therefore George bush hates America right?

      ***** idiot.
      • exgop, on 04/23/2008, -36/+2Sorry dude proudly served in the US NAvy try again, Your BOY obama hate America and freedom
        • Shapdawg1, on 04/23/2008, -17/+6Doesn't surprise me that you were in the Navy, sailor. I just hope you washed your hands... sinner!
          • katanaswordfish, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4One of my good old buddies and mentors in life was in the Navy during vietnam, he's an artist and a lefty and one of the most down to earth people i know. I'm pretty anti-military, as in i don't like attitudes of people who intend to make a living and seem to enjoy killing and destruction. However, not everyone who serves in the military is a right-wing 'militaristic' moron, there are quite a few intelligent and reasonable people in the military that are only there because they feel like they have a sense of duty or they need the money and security for their future. I'm not one of those people, i never will be, but please don't think because of this a-hole that everyone in the Navy or the military is a fascist bigoted ***** like this guy.
        • chicofaraby, on 04/23/2008, -6/+32Gee a right wing pro-military racist. Who could have guessed that?
        • Coven, on 04/23/2008, -2/+41Rev Wright ENLISTED in the Marines in the middle of Vietnam, and you dare question his patriotism?
        • romistrub, on 04/23/2008, -0/+21Dude, you served in the Navy, no doubt among black men and women. I figure that the Navy demands respect for and from all its servicemembers. How can you be openly racist given that? This makes me severely question the validity of your claim.
        • ironhide, on 04/23/2008, -0/+20You spew that kind of filth and yet you say you served in the armed forces? I call *****. You don't have the integrity.
        • minorthreat, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5I have never understood why some people can be so blindly foolish. It's almost as if they are forcing themselves to remain in the dark.
        • dbs1221, on 04/23/2008, -0/+6Reverend Wright was in the Marine Corp and the Navy so he also can't hate America,
        • Firgof, on 04/23/2008, -2/+2OH MY GOD, exgop hates America! Really?! HE HATES AMERICA?! Well, he must, jamesfrmmarine said so!

          Since I have Mr. Murdoch on speed dial, why not show that bastard what anti-american skinheads get on OUR mass-media network!! *RABIES RABIES RABIES FROTHING AT THE MOUTH*

          WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, EXGOP? It's a well known fact that you hate America! I have no less than four credible sources! Oh, wait nevermind, I didn't really want you to say anything after all. FLAG HATER! Come on guys let's get our pitchforks and go to town, it's been a long
          while since we've had such traitors afoot to burn at the stake!!

          ... No, really, you want to associate yourself with that load of horse ***** that the mass media feeds you day after day? Go read a book.
        • frazw, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Firgof you appear to have totally missed the point of jamesfrmmaine's comment. Re-read is then digest it.
        • Firgof, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1I absolutely understand the point of his comment. My comment was directed at exgop.
      • geoken, on 04/23/2008, -0/+15So the best you could do to rebut any of his arguments was to say you served in the navy?
        • Matri, on 04/23/2008, -0/+7Let him. If his "boy" McCain gets elected, he'll be shipped off to the next 100-year war.

          We'll see what he says then.
    • bobfrancis, on 04/23/2008, -0/+17wow exgop, you are retarded. Unless you were trying to be funny, in which case you are still retarded, but in a different way. ;-) Cheers.
    • romistrub, on 04/23/2008, -4/+15LMAO this "you hate america" ***** is *****. UP.

      No, I believe it is *I* who hates America!

      /Canadian
      • riskybeats, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1What the ***** are you talking about?

        /Canadian
    • hmunkey, on 04/23/2008, -0/+7Bill Clinton pardoned several Weather Underground bombers if I'm not mistaken...
      • 55mph, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3shhh, they all hate America. What do they love? Power and Money.

        God damn America, God damn special interests, God damn the Fed. God damn Cheney and Bush.

        If only God existed. They'd all be damned.

    • Pake, on 04/23/2008, -1/+8Weather Underground.... yeah, let's COMPLETELY negate the fact that it was Bill Clinton who pardoned two of it's members. Let's COMPLETELY negate the fact that Hillary's own "spiritual adviser" supported Wright. Let's COMPLETELY negate the fact that McCain's own spiritual adviser has made just as controversial comments.... Man, at this rate I may as well just force amnesia on myself...
      • sassip, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3"Man, at this rate I may as well just force amnesia on myself..."
        Pretty Funny...
    • absurdist, on 04/23/2008, -1/+10I would submit that given both of their track records, there is far more evidence that George W. Bush hates America than Barack H. Obama.
    • PamalaLauren, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2It's you who hates America.
      • exgop, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Thats why I served in Beruit 25 years ago *****
    • virtualonliner, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4"Obama is supported by Ted Kennedy, who is Catholic, and the Catholic Church is led by a Pope who was in the Hitler Youth, that can mean only one thing: Obama Loves Hitler" - Steven Colbert
      • Cloud7659, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Sunova bitch! That logic is bulletproof! We're all doomed!
    • BobOki, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1Stop watching Hannity and Combs.... They will just cause you to lose IQ, which is evident.
      On the other hand, he makes a point... that point is Obama has talked to a lot of people in his VERY short time in office, and before, and the only thing the media seems to be good at is digging that up, not reporting news.
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2So you are not familiar with the well documented close relationship between the Bush family and the Bin Ladin family? Add that to the fact that Bush did not want to investigate who funded the 9/11 attacks..........
  • MrThinkingMan, on 04/23/2008, -4/+26When will the hurting stop?!?
    • exgop, on 04/23/2008, -47/+3When the Communist Barrak Hussain Obama drops out of the race.
      • chicofaraby, on 04/23/2008, -1/+27It's nice that you are reaching out to the ***** insane voters. Good luck, but I think you'll find they already vote Republican.
        • exgop, on 04/23/2008, -23/+3He is a commie
          • romistrub, on 04/23/2008, -0/+11When you put it that way, your point becomes so much more believable!
          • JaronDiggGuy, on 04/23/2008, -0/+13Your mom is a commie. I have very reliable sources.
            She's also a whore. You know, from each according to her worth...to each according to his need(s).
          • Pilomotor, on 04/24/2008, -0/+1I agree, exgop's mom is a communist. I saw her just the other night, and she wasted no time "seizing the means of production", if you know what I mean.

            I'm talking about my penis.
      • franklymister, on 04/23/2008, -1/+12Putting your spelling problems aside for a moment, exgoptroll, why don't you take a moment to explain why you feel like using Barack's middle name? Seriously. Don't pull some phoney "who? me?" act, just be honest.
        • exgop, on 04/23/2008, -23/+2FUCCCCCCKKKK YOUUUUU opps forgot spell check...get a life
          • franklymister, on 04/23/2008, -0/+14Thanks for the thoughtful response. That explains a lot.
          • romistrub, on 04/23/2008, -0/+12You, sir, are, without a doubt, the lamest troll ever.

            Trolling is supposed to make people *angry*, isn't it? You just make me sad.
        • mattbeetee, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3I don't really understand. Where did you learn he is Muslim? I haven't seen any record of him being Muslim. Or communist. I hope you have some reliable sources! (Also, I slept with your mom last night; she was reeeaaallllllyyy up for it.)
    • sampanc, on 04/23/2008, -0/+11That's what she said!
    • Diderotten, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Get your finger out of your eye.
    • CarStan, on 04/23/2008, -2/+4HEAD ON. Apply directly to the forehead.
      HEAD ON. Apply directly to the forehead.
      HEAD ON. Apply directly to the forehead.
    • nephilimx, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Is that classic line from "Eek the Cat" or some retarded 4chan meme?
      Hard to tell these days on digg.
  • stimpygato, on 04/23/2008, -16/+35At least he is generous enough to share his stupidity with the world. I wonder why these righteous zealots and Creationists come off acting more like the monkeys they can't stand to be the descendants of?
    • Christianptriot, on 04/23/2008, -11/+4So you admit that you are a monkey's uncle?
      • DekarCorvus, on 04/23/2008, -2/+15i'm not sure you understand how evolution works friend. we don't downgrade to monkeys...therefor we can't be a monkeys uncle...as that implies our kids become lesser primates....

        your lack of understanding on the subject implies your a creationist.
        • DragoonWraith, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2Actually, it is entirely possible for evolution to downgrade species.

          For example, intelligence is probably the most striking adaptation that man has compared to the rest of the planet - we are without question the smartest animals we have encountered. However, smart people do not have as many children, because their intellect gives them "artificial" reasons not to - the average American could relatively easily afford to raise two dozen children to maturity, but nearly everyone does not because they are smart enough to realize that we'd rather not.

          A less intelligent mutation might not consider those possibilities, and go ahead and have a dozen or more children, thereby greatly increasing the relative chance of his genes continuing on compared to others. While that extreme lack of intelligence would likely make mating harder, less than average intelligences are still capable of finding mates, and are far more likely to have children in abundance. These mates are, most likely, also of less than average intelligence, since for the most part humanity seeks out mates of similar intelligence.

          These children are further less likely to be schooled, and therefore likely to also end up finding mates of similarly low intelligence.

          These trends make it very possible for intelligence to evolve downwards, rather than upwards, at least until the point at which the lack of intelligence creates difficulty surviving and procreating.

          So yes, someone could conceivably be a monkey's uncle. Wouldn't exactly be any monkey we currently know, and it certainly would not happen in just two generations, so it would really be a few million times great uncle, but nonetheless the statement could hold water.

          Of course, your guess that Christianptriot is an ignorant bigot is no less likely.
      • TenebrousX, on 04/23/2008, -0/+17I'd rather have descended from other primates than incestuous twins made from dirt
        • Matri, on 04/23/2008, -0/+10Actually, only 1 was made from dirt. The other was a genetically altered clone. A Designer Baby, if you will.
        • InnerRayg, on 04/23/2008, -0/+6h0t.
        • Naidel, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1They prefer the incestuous twins. Since Adam and Eve already did it in the Bible, they can convince themselves that what they're doing with their sister isn't wrong.
    • narcofiche, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3Maybe that's exactly why they hate evolution -- they're realizing that they are the missing link.
    • Annix, on 04/23/2008, -1/+4We're not descendants of monkeys.. we both have a common ancestor. But I'm just being a pedant ;)
    • BobOki, on 04/23/2008, -3/+1Darwins theory of Evolutions is about as ***** tarded stupid as creationism.
      You do NOT have to choose one or the other, this is not like a presidential election where you are forced to choose the least stupid of the two.
    • FunnyBunnyBo, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2Best comment on this article. Thanks stimpygato!
  • drbyers, on 04/23/2008, -22/+61Southern churches are full of racist rednecks who use ignorance as an excuse for racism.

    He's not a preacher. He's just a lowly 'tard... and his congregation is full of idiots for following him.

    The blind shall lead the blind.
    • Dewhead, on 04/23/2008, -9/+19Why on earth would you lump all Southerns into one category? That is truly prejudicial of you. This pastor has made an idiotic sign and it says more about him than its says about Obama.
      • ruyen, on 04/23/2008, -2/+14If you read the article it reads that the whole congregation voted unanimously to keep the message on the sign. So in this case, the blind does lead the blind. While drbyers comment was a bit of a blanket statement about many souther churches, he didn't say all Southerners were like this.
        Kinda like how Obama didn't say all Pennsylvanians are bitter. In describing who he was talking about, he said things like "In a lot of these communities.."; "a part of them.."; "another layer of.."; "in some of these small towns, like a lot of small towns in the midwest". Hardly a blanket statement about all Pennsylvanians like Clinton and the media spun it.
    • JesusHatesYou, on 04/23/2008, -9/+4The U.S. will never elect a black president as long as the country is a white majority. Whites would rather vote for a rotting dead white corpse than a smart black man. It's sad that Obama even has to struggle to beat Hillary or McCain. McCain admits he knows nothing about economics and he's in favor of keeping the troops in Iraq indefinitely. His only platform is that he's white which means he's more than qualified for whites in the South.
      • kawaiirobo, on 04/23/2008, -3/+2Racist
        • DragoonWraith, on 04/23/2008, -0/+0Moron.
          He was criticizing racist whites, not being one.

          That said, I think he substantially overestimates the power of racist whites. Yes, they did elect Bush because the intelligent people in the country couldn't be bothered trying to overcome the media's BS, but after Bush they aren't likely to let that happen again.
          While I support Obama, I don't think it's 'sad' that he has to struggle against Hillary or McCain. It's important to have options in a democratic system, and they represent those options. That the Republicans chose McCain over, say, Huckabee, is a sign of hope in that portion of the country for me. Because while I would not vote for him, I find him infinitely more acceptable as a leader than Huckabee, who I view as perhaps even worse than Bush.
          • kawaiirobo, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1I understand he was criticizing racist whites, I called him a racist for assuming ALL white people are racist, judging by the language "Whites would rather vote for...". That statement implies all white people think the same way, hence my criticizing of HIS racist statement.
          • DragoonWraith, on 04/29/2008, -0/+0Oh, good call. My bad.
      • halleyscomet, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1He has other qualities.

        He was IN the military, so no one can criticize him for, say, spending Vietnam AWOL and high on coke and then having his CIA running father cover up his tracks for him.
    • BobOki, on 04/23/2008, -1/+5Who's more the fool. The fool, or the fool who follows him?
    • wliebkem, on 04/24/2008, -0/+0You're right. Southerners should all head up to Chicago where there is no racism preached in churches like Trinity United.
  • SwedishNinja, on 04/23/2008, -34/+11I'm gonna get buried, but maybe he meant "brothers" in the sense that they are both God's children and we should pray for forgiveness for Osama since that's what the Bible teaches?
    • shupy, on 04/23/2008, -2/+15Doubt it.
    • Chestnutridge, on 04/23/2008, -0/+8If you read the article, you will see that it is obvious that his sign has nothing to do with brotherhood
      • KingPhallus, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1The aryan nation is a brotherhood.
    • crichton101, on 04/23/2008, -0/+6like Chestnugridge said, if you read the article he states why he wrote it, which was to stir up controversy.
    • redslash, on 04/23/2008, -0/+6Still a good, optomistic guess though. :)
      • ronaldinho, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2I don't think the pastor intended for that, but it will not be a bad sermon if he used that point!
    • culbeda, on 04/23/2008, -1/+5You're right. You are going to get buried. It was pretty clear what his intent was. At least to everyone everyone except you.
    • kawaiirobo, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2No, but good try though, you get a gold star for effort.
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Do you see the lack of logic when you make an assumption while not bothering to read the article? Please instead learn to think critically, which means you gather facts and consider the sources before forming an opinion.
  • lsumed, on 04/23/2008, -7/+21You can't say he's Muslim and inflict Rev. Wright (Christian) at the same time.

    I can only imagine what was said at that church meeting.
    • chicofaraby, on 04/23/2008, -2/+41"You can't say he's Muslim and inflict Rev. Wright (Christian) at the same time. "

      Of course they can. The extreme right wing doesn't need to make sense. If making sense was required no one would have ever believed Iraq was some sort of threat to the USA. That was always as ridiculous as the claim that Grenada was a threat.
      • dudeguy1234, on 04/23/2008, -3/+1Hallelujah! We've got another one to understand!
    • talonstriker, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5whoever said that people who beleive in god should be logical?
      • dudeguy1234, on 04/23/2008, -0/+10What's not logical about an invisible man in the sky who created everything in 6 days, watches everything you do, writes it down, judges you when you die and then if you've been a good boy you go to a magical place in the sky and if you've been a bad boy you go to eternally burn in a fire of pain and suffering? I see no logical flaws there...
        /sarcasm
        • FairDinkumMate, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Dugg - even though I think you mixed up the 'writes it down' bit with Santa Claus!
    • facelesscoward, on 04/23/2008, -0/+5Clearly, Trinity United Church of Christ is a massive Islamic operating under the guise of Christianity. I mean, Rev. Wright traveled with Farrakhan to see Muammar Qaddafi. You don't get more Muslim than that!

      And the sad thing is that if I read that comment posted by someone else, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually believed that, ignoring that people are free to practice Islam publicly in the United States and that people of differing religious beliefs tend to communicate.
      • RayinAr, on 05/04/2008, -0/+0This is very true. And look by the way who in the world is supporting Barak Hussein Obama. Hamas (Terrorist organization) and the leader of Iran. Wright is anti christian hoping people are stupid enough to believe he is christian so he can continue his racist hatred anti American, anti Jew, Anti anything not black. He is a black Supremacist as well as his followers.
  • franklymister, on 04/23/2008, -6/+294From the IRS web site:
    In order to initiate a church tax inquiry, "The IRS can obtain the information supporting a reasonable belief from many sources, including but not limited to:
    * Newspaper or magazine articles or ads,
    * Television and radio reports,
    * Internet web pages,
    * Voters guides created and/or distributed by the church,
    * Documents on file with the IRS (e.g. a Form 990-T filed by the church), and
    * Records concerning the church in the possession of third parties or informants."

    http://www.irs.gov/charities/churches/article/0,,i ...

    Official IRS policy is that all churches are prohibited from "any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for political office." They are clear that leaders of churches can speak as individuals, but that making "partisan comments in official organization publications or at official church functions" is prohibited. Look at page 7 of the IRS Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

    Report illegal activity here: http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=10677 ...