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- ChessPieceFace, on 09/13/2008, -15/+164FTA: "On one of the most critical decisions of the war, Obama staked out a position a while back that the Bush camp and neocons assailed as naive, disastrous, and revealing of his unfitness to be president. But like almost everything else Obama has said about the war, he was right and Bush was wrong. Obama was ahead of Bush in proposing to shift troops to Afghanistan, ahead of Bush in suggesting a timetable for Iraq withdrawal (subsequently embraced by Maliki), ahead of Bush in arguing we should talk directly to Iran, and, of course, right about not fighting the war in the first place."
Obama right again. - JenniferInMO, on 09/13/2008, -10/+105This is because Obama is not owned by the war profiteers. He has the luxury of making a decision based upon facts, and common sense. McCain's campaign is run by corporate lobbyists and he is funded by people of power. Obama does have vast connections and will always have some party pressures his campaign's success is truly as the result of millions of people contributing small amounts (total was 2 million individuals before the convention). He is not beholden to big corporate or 527s who do his dirty work and the war profiteers like McCain is.
- booksnmore4you, on 09/13/2008, -6/+71Now we have Petraeus saying, "This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade... it's not war with a simple slogan."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/12/2362 ...
IOW, "Victory in Iraq? WTF is THAT???" - jackieblu, on 09/13/2008, -7/+57Obama has been right on the money on foreign policy all along, will the GOP ~ IE Bush league, or McCain't admit it probably not, however, it is documented. Maybe an ad would be helpful. I'm sure there is a lot of jealousy, and they feel threatened by Obama's brilliance!
Obama 08 - aereaus, on 09/13/2008, -14/+54Republicans, NeoCons and Rednecks don't care about the sovereignty of foreign nations. Heck look at US History in general. We've exploited the world ever since the Monroe Doctrine. This is nothing new, and the Government is a farce. It's the top 100 families and the corporations they own that run the US. There is no Democracy!
I'm an American who got sick of the BS and moved to a truly Democratic country...Denmark. Here we have around 11 political parties, and we have the right to throw out the government whenever it's not doing it's job i.e ... No set elections or office terms.
America revolt now! - jasoninoakland, on 09/13/2008, -1/+39Andrew Sullivan is considered a center-right blogger and has long been a big fan of McCain. He's noticed more carefully than most the wholesale whoring by McCain of what he stands for, and has turned against him in a big way.
- inactive, on 09/13/2008, -8/+38The Atlantic is very unbiased, and to have this coming from them? This is a huge opportunity for Obama to prove that he's ready to be president.
- ChessPieceFace, on 09/13/2008, -2/+30Yup, there is no winning an occupation.
- Echota, on 01/05/2009, -16/+39Since the beginning,when he cast his No War vote,Obama has been correct on foreign affairs.
Obama is the most qualified to be the next POTUS by his past decisions concerning The United States welfare. - SpinningHead, on 09/13/2008, -3/+24Can we please elect the smart guy? Please? Just this once?
- inactive, on 09/13/2008, -2/+19Why doesn't anyone talk about McCain's foreign policy? He enthusiastically supported the Iraq war from day one, and he still does. I mean, come on, I don't even know why we're discussion foreign policy when McCain has so thoroughly proven himself to be a complete idiot on it.
- TigerStar337, on 09/13/2008, -1/+18McCain has no honor. It is too bad. Being President means more to him than integrity. That is why he is lying so much now. Oh, well. He says he is a maverick, but really he is a liar. He thinks Americans are stupid. It is sad.
- TigerStar337, on 09/13/2008, -3/+20McCain's campaign manager owns the largest lobbying firm in Washington. Whoa! He is a maverick? I guess McCain thinks Americans are stupid.
Go O! - cadmiumpaint, on 09/13/2008, -4/+21McCain is a follower. not a leader.
- kingofinternet, on 09/13/2008, -1/+17by going to pakistan, he meant going to west waziristan and finding bin laden there. which bush is now doing--without pakistan's consent.
- doublehead, on 09/13/2008, -5/+20"The Bush administration - when guided by the saner forces within it such as Gates and Rice - eventually follows Obama's advice. In that sense, Obama has been president for quite a while already. And proving he could be a shrewd, pragmatic and prescient one."
I like the sound of this :) - Spoomeister, on 09/13/2008, -4/+17And yet the left won't press this point in the mainstream press, b/c McCain is positioned as a war hero and the Republicans are seen as strong on defense. Sigh.
- hierophantus, on 09/13/2008, -1/+13So, since you apparently based your ever-so-objective decision on whom to vote for on who makes gaffes, I guess that rules out McCain, too, huh?
Great basis for decision, by the way. I'd hate to have our president chosen on something old-fashioned and naive like "whether he knows what he's talking about" or "whether he's right about critically important foreign-policy decisions." Much better to choose whomever makes fewer meaningless "gaffes" (however you liberally decide to define the word). - hierophantus, on 09/13/2008, -5/+17That's why it's an opinion piece. Thanks, Captain Obvious.
- JPHR, on 09/13/2008, -0/+12Question remains why the USA is there at all?
First WMD, second Link Osama-Hussein, third some vague democracy notion..
Go home and spend the money saved on families of the death, the seriously maimed, the triple deficit and perhaps the prosecution of Bush/Cheney too. - jasoninoakland, on 09/13/2008, -0/+11He might have a point about Americans being stupid (at least a lot of them). Have you seen the polls lately?
- gh0st037, on 09/13/2008, -3/+14Definition of Gaffe:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gaffe
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faux%20pas
While he does have an "uh... umm" issue, and he seemed to forget how to complete sentences in the last two clips, these are not considered "gaffes".
If you wanted to be negative, they are more like signs of poor motor skills.
If you wanted to be positive, they are signs that he is exhausted or over-thinking. - chosenson, on 09/13/2008, -2/+12For all who argue about the SURGE:
Saturday 9/13/08. Car bomb in Iraq kills at least 18
http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:huffington_post:f1 ...
Friday 9/12/08 Car bomb kills 32 north of Baghdad - surge has not stopped violence
http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:huffington_post:5c ... - fireburner23, on 09/13/2008, -3/+13You moved to Denmark?
How was the adjustment?
Language problems?
Were you educated before leaving? If so, did it help?
What did you do here in the states and what do you do now?
I am very curious with your experiences. - hierophantus, on 09/13/2008, -1/+11Well, Andrew Sullivan, though nominally conservative, has been supporting Obama and criticizing McCain for a while now. Still, what matters is the point he is making which, regardless of moronic whining about "bias," is valid and compelling and, as he says, should be amplified by the Obama camp.
- jackieblu, on 09/13/2008, -4/+14The surge was a reaction {to a total ***** up} not an action! We never should have been in Iraq - get a ***** clue trolls!
- rz8472, on 09/13/2008, -1/+10Actually I think he's right in a sense. I'm assuming that Denmark has a parliamentary system, which is an advantage over our system in several respects. First off, people elect parties, not other people, and those parties then select someone to be PM. The disadvantage is of course that the people don't directly decide their leader, but the advantage is that it's much harder for an election to be about personality than about the issues.
Also Denmark doesn't have a large military, hence no capacity for imperialism. - JoeVet, on 09/13/2008, -1/+10This is the GOP strategy.....enact all of Obama's foreign policy objectives and then claim Obama wants more of the same.
- ironhide, on 09/13/2008, -2/+11"no nothing"? Is that like you "no nothing" about grammar?
- StarlessKnight, on 09/13/2008, -0/+9Wait. You're comparing Obama's decision without the Secret Intel (happened to be right) with that of Bush who had the Secret Intel (happened to be wrong) and suggesting somehow that Obama is worse off for it? Obama was right on a "gut feeling," so what happens when he has the gut feeling backed up by Secret Intel? Might just increase the likelihood of his being right more often no?
- Skywise, on 09/13/2008, -12/+21So the surge in Iraq isn't working? Or is this just another lame attempt to try to prop up a failing presidential run?
- CaptObvious, on 09/13/2008, -3/+12You're welcome.
- StarlessKnight, on 09/13/2008, -1/+10"But like almost everything else..." implies he's been wrong or, at least, not right about some thing(s). Since he is Human--despite what some Trolls preach--that's to be expected.
Perhaps someone should ask Obama about that; but as I recall he explained that the Surge worked in restoring violence back to where it was pre-Surge. That may be right, that may be wrong. Might want to ask again. At least that'd be 1000% more relevant than anything about his lapel pin. - hierophantus, on 09/13/2008, -0/+9Personally, I think a backlash is coming soon. McCain will have to clean up his act and then once all the distractions are gone swing voters will notice he has taken a right turn away from integrity. Also, Palin's star is already beginning to dim, and she's the only reason anyone's excited about that ticket. I'm not worried.
- chosenson, on 09/13/2008, -1/+9Bush FOLLOWING Obama's foreign policy is not the same as Obama going along with Bush.
Obama has shown foresight, and after much strident objection, Bush follows the advice of experts who are in agreement with Obama's policy.
Therein lies the difference. - bbtweb, on 09/13/2008, -1/+9are you so arrogant that you can't even admit when the candidate you support is dead wrong? Obama got ridiculed throughout the primary season for his positions on foreign policy and for his "lack of experience" and he has turned out to be right on at least 3 occasions since then...What sort of brain blockage are you suffering from. And these facts are not just available from one news source, they are available from MANY. I really pray that the average voter doesn't have his/her head so far up his/her ass as far as you seem to have your head up yours.
- avrygoodfrnd, on 09/13/2008, -3/+11Uhhhhh Obama wasn't in the senate when they voted on the war.....
- hierophantus, on 09/13/2008, -2/+10And yet, here you are, supposedly having read said "basically meaningless" story and venting your frustration in a space where no one cares what you think.
Posting on here is no different than talking in a crowd of people all having the same discussion. No, nobody outside the crowd may care what everyone is saying, but inside that crowd are voters and even a few people who may have the rare capability of actually thinking and even changing their minds in response to what's posted. Most of these political threads read hundreds of comments. Several times that many lurkers read what's written. That's thousands of people.
But thanks for your thoughts. - jakereilly, on 09/13/2008, -1/+9Uh, LukasSmith, stop drinking the republican "the decrease in violence is due 100% to our increase in troops" kool aid.
It's wrong, been proven wrong, and always will be wrong. - SpinningHead, on 09/13/2008, -1/+9Looks like you want the country to pay for your fact deficit.
- chosenson, on 09/13/2008, -3/+10Saturday 9/13/08. Car bomb in Iraq kills at least 18
http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:huffington_post:f1 ...
Friday 9/12/08 Car bomb kills 32 north of Baghdad - surge has not stopped violence
http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:huffington_post:5c ... - inactive, on 09/13/2008, -8/+15What did Bush know before being elected?
He never stepped foot out of this country before his election.
You anti-American fascist moron. - StarlessKnight, on 09/13/2008, -1/+8Wrong order. "When McCain agrees with Bush" it's after Bush has already done something. "When Obama agrees with Bush" it's because Bush agreed with something Obama already said.
- br0ck, on 09/13/2008, -4/+11"I am very nervous about this new strategy. I'm not sure, in fact I'm very doubtful that we have enough troops. I don't know if the Maliki government will be strong enough. But if General Casey is appointed to this position, my confidence will be lowered because it's not appropriate to put someone who does not support wholeheartedly the new strategy in a position where he will be responsible for a great deal of it." McCain Feb. 8, 2007
I have yet to find a graph of statistics that shows that putting Casey like they did in fact caused the surge to not work like McCain thought, but with a judgment like that, would you still contest that McCain was "right on foreign policy all along"? To me it just seems that, given the results of the surge, McCain was far from being on the money with that one. - jakereilly, on 09/13/2008, -4/+10To the ruin of all?
The people who are saying it will destroy iraq if we leave are the same GENIUSES who said:
We will be greeted as liberators!
The oil money will pay for it all!
We won't need lots of troops!
It will be easy!
WMDS! WMDS!!!!!
SADDAM IS A TERRORIST!
Elmer Fudd is an islamofascist!
Getting the point here?
If we leave, they will survive. They WANT us to leave!! If not, why are they still killing our troops? - Games4Life, on 09/13/2008, -0/+6I can't believe you got... Oh wait I can.
- Jude007, on 09/13/2008, -1/+7Every $ spent is victory for someone.
- StarlessKnight, on 09/13/2008, -1/+7I think Petraeus should ask our CinC to apologize to the public for suggesting otherwise from day one, because this fight was painted exactly like taking a hill, planting a flag, and going home.
- masterdbugger, on 09/13/2008, -1/+6proof you aren't talking out your ass please?
- tehsilentcircus, on 09/13/2008, -0/+5Please explain because what you said makes absolutely no sense at all. I would like to see with a link or video how Obama's foreign policy even pales in any comparison to Bush or McCain. Im getting really ***** tired of seeing everyone talk ***** around here about something that they have no clue what they are saying.
I can't even begin to contemplate where anyone would get the idea that Obama is a war monger, its utter nonsense. So stop ***** saying it. -
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