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- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -35/+217He is correct, I must say.
The religious right is what permanently drove me away from Christianity. - nolesshabitual, on 10/11/2007, -17/+143the source material: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/us/politics/24obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
but obama has a point, Christianity claims to be a religion of love, forgiveness, and acceptance, meanwhile the radical right wing Christians spew hate for anybody different from them, refuse to accept homosexual love, and won't forgive anybody (except presidents who lie, but only about weapons, not blow jobs) - DJPhoenix, on 10/11/2007, -4/+77Bravo! This is precisely why I support this man. He knows where religion belongs. Personally, I'm an atheist, but I don't have any problem with people who practice religion privately because it helps them. It's when it's pushed on me that I become defensive and upset.
- AntBing, on 10/11/2007, -5/+60"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"
-Steven Weinberg- - AtHomeBoy2000, on 10/11/2007, -11/+59My pastor taught me this a long time ago.... hate the sin, love the sinner.
- bovox, on 10/11/2007, -13/+60Even if you do not believe in the supernatural mysticism of Christianity, it doesn't change the fact that Christ's teachings are still good ideas, and a good template on how one could live his life.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -48/+78You mean, the fact that Christianity is ***** didn't drive you away?
- DJPhoenix, on 10/11/2007, -4/+33Obama has said in the past that he believes that religion belongs in the home. It's a private and personal experience. I agree with him completely. If you are going to be religious, do it at home. Even if you're going to do good works publicly in the name of your god/faith, that's fine as well, as long as you don't pressure/bully others into believing as you do.
- soccerman90, on 10/11/2007, -11/+40Obama really knows what's going on. Thats why he's getting my vote
- suriyou, on 10/11/2007, -8/+36I don't want to be part of faith in the first place.
- ScottAG, on 10/11/2007, -0/+25The problem with faith is that it's so very hijackable.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+26The Bible also explicitly tells Christians not to judge other people, ever. It goes along with the whole story about the Pharisees who followed God's teachings perfectly and strictly and thought themselves morally surperior to others because of it, and for this very reason they were 'further from God' than even the most horrible people.
I think today's Christians are very much like the Pharisees of old. - smoothmedia, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23"Religious Right" is my favorite oxymoron
- geometry, on 10/11/2007, -6/+25What are Christs "true" teachings? Go to 10 different churches and you'll get 10 different answers. Some people teach that Christ believed gays should be killed and will go to hell, while others don't believe so. The problem is that spirituality has been hijacked by structured religion and then by politics. Most people who "teach" religion have some kind of agenda to push. Sometimes they truly believe that that their agenda is for the better of society while other times they know what they are doing is wrong. Jesus was not a Christian by todays standards, and I believe that if the whole life after death is true Jesus would be more displeased by people who call themselves Christians than people who have no religious belief but lead a moral life.
- Bogie22, on 10/11/2007, -8/+27Need I remind you all that Chuck Norris is a Christian?
- SocialPoison, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23Mmmm... selective quoting of the bible ftw?
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.html
I don't really care which side of that debate you're on, selectively quoting or omitting sections to "prove" your point is just asshattery. - Mewchu11, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20You know I never expected to see the words "Obama", "love", "spew", "homosexual", "presidents", and "blow jobs" incorporated into the same sentence.
- Atom, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20As a staunch republican I dont often find myself agreeing with any of the democratic talking points but this is one I wish I could dig more then once. Its a shame the way SOME conservatives are manipulating religion and using it to control the masses.
- youareretarded, on 10/11/2007, -5/+20Respect +1
- hioh83, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18As a Christian, I'm glad someone said this. Sometimes other denominations get lumped in with these crazy evangelicals who mix their faith with politics.
- wannabenomad, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Contrary to popular belief, Fox News did not, in fact, invent Jesus.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16The sad, but true, fact is that in order to have any chance at being elected into a major political office nowadays, you HAVE to hijack faith (or at least pander to bible thumpers) in this country. Unfortunately, more and more people are voting along religious lines as opposed to party ones. This has further made the 2 parties indistinguishable from one another and the party system as a whole, less credible to those who use their brains to vote instead of their "heart"/"soul"/instruction-book-for-life.
I'm not totally against organized religion. There are a few good (and a ton of bad) things about it and if that's what you feel you need to get you through the day, go for it; but I am against voting based on that religion's teachings as opposed to a candidate's plans for fixing whatever is broken in his/her country. - converge, on 10/11/2007, -23/+37The fact that there is not a single shred of evidence of a god, in any shape or form, drove me away from Christianity.
- halavais, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17It's really difficult to know whether the above comment is sarcasm. That alone might tell you something about the reasonableness of religion.
- qasabah, on 10/11/2007, -27/+40Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother and wife and children and brethren and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Words from the founder of Christianity.
Nice. - Myonosken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Not explicitly. If you search the old testament, you find some mention, but given the New Testament is the "new covenant" the old testament does not take precedence over Jesus words which were, hey, "Love thy neighbour"!
- redfan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Obama has been making this point since at least 2004. Religion isn't a bad thing. Religion being manipulated by the wrong people is.
It's somewhat fitting that he talks about faith--he's pretty much the only leader in this country that I have any faith in to begin with. - weeeezzll, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13Faith has always driven people apart. Faith only bring people together when they are in total agreement on their religious beliefs.
Religion causes unresolvable conflict, because each side believes that their side has the infallible knowledge of god. Thus neither side is willing to compromise because compromise means admitting that their religion and thus their god is not perfect. And even one tiny crack in the "perfectness" of their god causes the basis for their entire religion to fall apart. And this of course leads to religious persecution and war. - DrDragun, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11I do not understand why Christians are tolerant of this. You must understand what a slippery slope it is to take the morals of 1 particular religeon into consideration when law making. Today we ban gay marriage because it is immoral? What next? The bible says idling is immoral as well. Should we arrest everyone who is not up by 10 am on Saturday? Technically, not believing in Jesus is immoral. Shall it be illegal to reject Jesus as our savior?
It is fine to let religeon steer your morals, but if you want to make a law then you need to be able to back it up with secular reasoning. I can't believe there are a small minority of places in the country where people are still elected on a "anti-seperation-of-church-and-state" platform. - webandflow, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12We don't know what Jesus said. We do know that translating from Greek is difficult. Here is a more accurate rendition from the Contemporary English Version. It more accurately reflects the views of Christians who feel that Jesus' message was about serving people regardless of who they were and not expecting anything in return, rather than getting oneself blessed and into heaven.
"You cannot be my disciple, unless you love me more than you love your father and mother, your wife and children, and your brothers and sisters. You cannot come with me unless you love me more than you love your own life."
It's all in how you take it. Some people read hate, some read love God more than everything else. - Pilot85, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Back when Christianity was "Indie" it was way cooler.
- blu64, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13If you and your kind are the only ones in heaven, I think I'll just pass on the whole 'judgment' thing and go straight to hell. thanks anyway
- Mewchu11, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven
For government positions replace camel with blue whale, and eye of a needle with a skin pore
For lawyers replace blue whale with the moon, and a skin pore with a naked singularity - infocyde, on 10/11/2007, -1/+102 Timothy 4:3
NASB: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, (NASB ©1995) - Urusai, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Although religion can do some good in the world, organized religion never has. The worst thing to happen to Christianity was for Constantine to make it the state religion of the Roman Empire.
- MadOtaku, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13I dugg you up because I hope you're joking. If not... just wow. Hard to believe people would seriously talk about the devil as if it were real.
- flygirl62, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Well, he said something pretty damn close:
Matthew 10:34 - 37
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -- a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
As a Christian, I always *did* have trouble with this part. My thoughts are that he is saying that if those around you want you to choose them over Christ, you must not give in. But the phraseology always bothered me. - dillibob, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10christs true teachings were basically be a good man. and everyone knows what this is, treat everyone with respect, do not steal, cheat or lie, and help one another. all this ***** about killing homosexuals and non christians is just that, *****.
- norman619, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Christianity has been cleaned up or as I like to say saned up for modern times. If you read the original rules of the religion oh man they are just as bad as the teachings of radical Islam and original Jewish teachings.
- ButterBuddha, on 10/11/2007, -6/+14My Prayers to the Flying Spaghetti Monster have been answered!!! Bless You Obama!!!!
- suriyou, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I dugg you up.
You're absolutely right, I was quick to come in and comment like that.
I should have thought it over more. - merreborn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Taken out of context, that verse sounds like an endorsement of hate. However, in context, it's anything but. The message is that one must love Jesus more than anyone else in one's life.
From a more modern translation, that's more suited to the average digger's reading comprehension:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2014%20;&version=51;
“If you want to be my disciple, you must hate everyone else by comparison—your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even your own life. Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple."
If you want to attack the bible for the things it actually does say, that's fine with me. But don't construct these absurd straw men. - GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Yes Christ picked a good source in the Greeks to copy his morals from. Then again Christianity is like open source religion. Borrow a bit from here and a bit from there.
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8You call it drove away. We call it reaching enlightenment. I posted to a friend earlier that while there is no proof god doesn't exist there is no proof that there isn't a pantheon of gods of size N where the universe is split into N disjoint domains with each god ruling 1 domain as they see fit. This for all N that is a member of the natural number set.
The result of this is there are an infinite number of gods that cannot be disproved (I just defined countless gods) and as a result the chances of Christianity (or any religion) being correct are infinitesimal. - screensnot, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11The religious right did not hijack religion. It's been a part of religion since the beginning of religion.
No matter how hard you try to highlight the beautiful parts of religion, you can't hide its ugly side. - ScottMaximus1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Hell looks like a pretty sweet place, all the cool musicians are going to be there.
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8So will the Homosexuals then. There your argument falls down. You want to mitigate the sins of those you like on the basis they will be judged by god, yet you want to personally judge those you dislike.
Also god does not give you the right to judge sin. - slartibartphast, on 10/11/2007, -14/+21That's a pretty dumb statement I hear quite often. Don't blame the abusers of a religion for abandoning it. You drove yourself away.
- monkeyrun, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Christianity has always been "hijacked" by politics.
The only time Christianity's not manipulated was before Roman Catholic Empire (before it's popular). - bobangitanov2, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10ehm... jesus christ according to the bible, was a communist. the gospels say he told the rich to give away all their money and belongings to the poor, he lived off of others' charity and hospitality the last few years of his life. He didn't just turn down political power, he refused ownership and money. don't blame people for not acting like jesus. first of all he might be entirely fictional, and 2nd, who gives a ***** if people are not like jesus? are you gonna take them to court? cause the court cared about imitating jesus, everyone would be put to jail.
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