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- profgiles, on 04/21/2009, -26/+90President Obama is playing chess - he is always thinking four or five moves ahead. He has been and will continue to deal with the mess the Cheney-Bush Administration left him purposefully, methodically, without precipitancy, but oh so thoroughly leaving nothing undone. We must be patient.
- DFutureIsNow, on 04/21/2009, -16/+70President Obama played this masterfully, he always said he was against prosecutions but when the people started calling for accountability he had no choice but to open the door, in the eyes of the public it looks like he really had no choice, and to top it all Dick Cheneey opened his mouth at the right moment, just genius !!
- JekJob, on 04/21/2009, -9/+50Awesome. Just to spite them, let's give them an ultra-fair trial. It'll show them that here in the United States we handle things like intelligent, rational human beings, not like 13th-century Tower-of-London torturers.
- mgraham80, on 04/21/2009, -9/+32Investigate. Prosecute. Teabag. Oh, sorry, scratch that last one. I forgot that conservatives only get riled up to protest scurry Muslim socialists in the White House, and not the degradation of our country's ideals.
- Echota, on 04/21/2009, -12/+31Yes!
- oogomond, on 04/21/2009, -14/+32Perfect timing! Bravo Mr. President.
Kieth Olbermann will be elated! As am I. - inactive, on 04/21/2009, -7/+24cheney opened his mouth because he is afraid.And he is tring to tell us doing the WRONG thing is OK as long as you get what you want.......fuggin TRAITOR !
- DavidTrom, on 04/21/2009, -10/+26This is the perfect issue to keep conservatives on the defensive.
We've seen how leaving the conservatives alone only gives time to come up with "tea parties" and shout "Socialist" and "Fascist" .
Give them something to keep busy, as they tying themselves in knots to defend torture - PhantomRogue, on 04/22/2009, -11/+22Hes not playing Chess. He is playing Politics. He had the Chance to prosecute the people responsible (CIA Agents and Handlers) and passed. The only people who are "prosecuted" will end up facing no real charges, but will probably get fired and have some nice severance package waiting because they are the 'fall guy.'
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -5/+16Ideals? Are you ***** kidding?
country who used a nuke and wiped out hundreds thousands of civilians = USA
country who grabbed land by driving the native people out of existence or onto reservations=USA
Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Trail of Tears, Sanctions, Japanese internment, interference in south America, You know we actually turned Jews back seeking asylum in the US during World War 2? We continue to support nations who torture and discriminate. We live off the sweat of third world countries.
Not saying I care, but seriously wake up America. Your country of ideals is just a fantasy - bizzywho, on 04/22/2009, -7/+18If you guys actually think that Bush officials are actually going to be prosecuted, let alone punished for their actions, you are 100% DELUDED!
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -2/+13Females with class might not be as open to a threesome, dude.
- WasabiBomb, on 04/22/2009, -3/+13"Ha-ha! I told you Obumba wouldn't do what he said he would! He's afraid to go after them!"
"... Oh... He's going after them? Uh... Obumba's just doing what someone told him to do! And what about all sort of other, unrelated stuff? So there!"
My god, you guys are so predictable. - CaptainCool53, on 04/22/2009, -1/+11Agreed. But spite or no spite, I want an ultra-fair trial anyway.
- AndrewDB, on 04/21/2009, -14/+23So where are the republicans and people who said he wouldn't do this? Where are the people who buried me when I said "He's focusing on more important things at current moment.."
See ? I told you he'd get back to prosecutions.. - ipushmycar, on 04/22/2009, -19/+28I think you are over-estimating Obama.
- Ness1210, on 04/22/2009, -4/+13so your brother water boarded u? hit your head against a wall a couple of times? no wonder you sound retarded
- eh123, on 04/22/2009, -6/+15And somehow there is still no cure for Bush Derangement Syndrome. We'd better fund some more stell cell research.
- angryfirelord, on 04/22/2009, -3/+11Don't know why you're getting dugg down. Both sides of the aisle were responsible for championing Bush's policies and it certainly wouldn't surprise me if the Dems supported it at first.
http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/839-bushs-torture ...
The only time the Dems began campaigning against the Bush administration is when it was politically convenient to do so. That's why something like this would never go through all the way because too many heads would be rolling. - sandbun, on 04/22/2009, -1/+9What has he actually done? Said he's "open" to Congress investigating, but then put a bunch of restrictions on such an investigation that will be impossible to fulfill? That's so praiseworthy? What was he supposed to say, "No I will block Congress from trying to do this even though I have no ability to do so and it would kill me politically?"
Let's see results before we starting setting up churches in his honor. - inactive, on 04/22/2009, -5/+12Do you have any source for this foiled LA attack? Because it sounds like complete ***** to me. And Bush never made mention of it during the 2004 election, so I'm going to need some proof here. It sounds like he was covering his ass after their torture campaign was revealed to the public.
- KTeegarden, on 04/21/2009, -13/+20Sign the petition to prosecute:
http://pol.moveon.org/torture/ - MaxxusFlamus, on 04/22/2009, -2/+9it's called politics. This is why he's President and you're not.
- jeffbw, on 04/22/2009, -0/+7I'm sure Democrats were involved, which is why so many of them are scared to death of investigations. And there were also "extraordinary renditions" under Clinton.
- hamobu, on 04/22/2009, -1/+8Why are you getting dug down? You hit the nail on the head.
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -11/+18No, he's playing the populist. That's what he has always done.
- KennMac, on 04/22/2009, -2/+9Told us he'd move to close Guantanamo.
Did it.
Promised to reverse restrictions on stem cell research.
Did it.
Told us he'd begin pulling troops out of Iraq and define a withdrawal strategy.
Did it.
Told us he'd support and plan a national high speed rail system.
Did it.
Told us he'd invest in all types of alternative energy.
Did it.
Told us he'd create a foreclosure prevention fund.
Did it.
Told us 95% of Americans would see a tax break.
Did it.
... - grovest4life, on 04/22/2009, -1/+7Talk is cheap I will believe it when i see it.
- Swivelstick, on 04/22/2009, -3/+9Have you found those WMDs in Iraq yet or are you still looking?
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -1/+7rbiii- best comment on digg ever. period : ).
- BrownieMix, on 04/21/2009, -12/+18Bush Officials aren't the only ones who should be prosecuted...
- DavidTrom, on 04/22/2009, -1/+7here is a simple way to see if something is torture.
How would you feel if that technique is apply to a captured American soldier by an enemy.
Do you think it's is OK to whaterboard American Sodlier.
That is the back bone of the Geneva Convention. All signatoryes agreed to don't do to the enemy what they don't want done to their soldiers - rutvik1, on 04/22/2009, -4/+9I think we have to separate the CIA agents situation into two schools of thought here.
1) CIA is a very important institution that has been on low morale for a very long time now. Obama needs the CIA to continue working as hard as they can since he is stepping up the intelligence/covert war against terrorists. Also, Obama has said CIA should not be prosecuted if they operated within the corner stones of the related memos, thus leaving the door open to prosecute anyone who operated and went beyond those memos.
2) Besides all the politcal baggage, we have to answer a moral question to ourselves. These people tortured, we know it to be a fact (regardless of what Bush admins might say), but do we still prosecute if they "followed orders". As K.O. put it, it was the same excuse given during the Holocaust.But I believe he is out right ignoring a very important point, what if any president in the future gets legal memos justifying maybe another gray area of morality and the CIA refuses for fear of prosecution. Does it not limit the president's power and ability to react to any fast paced national security issue?
Edit: Anyone else find it funny that Dick Cheney after criticizing Obama on the release of the memos, now wants the entire thing declassified? - DavidTrom, on 04/21/2009, -8/+13boy, you have a lot of faith.
I don't have as much, but I do hope you're right - JayD16, on 04/22/2009, -3/+8Sounds like your brother should be in jail...
- BigT383, on 04/22/2009, -0/+5@showyourvoice: #1, he has been in office for barely 3 months and has been pretty busy. #2, I'm not sure what your sources are but some of this is patently false. For instance, Obama has indeed implemented the toughest anti-lobbying rules to date. #3, "Lying" implies an intent to defraud when perhaps maybe he plans on some of this stuff but hasn't gotten around to it yet? #4 that last one... he told you exactly what he would do in his campaign and last time I checked it's the Judicial branch's job to interpret the constitution?
- Paramnesia, on 04/21/2009, -14/+19I'd like to think so but no matter how i decorate it, I cant quite place the 50 ton gorilla in the room; the unlimited and forever warrant less wiretapping thing.
I think he is a swell guy. But definitely not in charge. - nepidae, on 04/22/2009, -4/+9Sacrificing the ideals of our country to save a few lives is exactly the opposite of how this country was founded.
- TheTorontonian, on 04/22/2009, -2/+7Not that I am against it, obviously not, but seriously we should not be happy as if this is some sort of surprise. This is what SHOULD have been done in the first place. A lot of media is acting all like "They did?! Oh, darn it. Chucks. Well, let's move on."
No man, you can't have your water boarding and drink it too! - SpinningHead, on 04/21/2009, -3/+7I think a lot of people misunderstood him when he said he would not go after lower level CIA employees who participated, but the people actually responsible.
- sandbun, on 04/22/2009, -1/+5He's being dugg down because he's not an Obama supporter. See, Obama has done so many things that are hard to defend, so you no longer get dugg down just for saying something against him. But that's only true if you first pledge your allegiance to him. See, post like
"I support Obama but he's doing a bad thing here"
or ones from known Obama supporters get dugg up, but if you're not an Obama supporter and say
"I don't support Obama because things like FISA made me know we might do same bad thing last poster said"
then you get dugg down. - moduc, on 04/22/2009, -0/+4No so quick.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/UKNews1/idUKTRE53K63 ...
"President Barack Obama opened the door on Tuesday to possible prosecutions of U.S. officials who laid the legal groundwork for harsh interrogation of terrorism suspects during the Bush administration."
Open the door? Why not executing the prosecution? Or at least doing the investigation?
"who laid the legal groundwork". That's not even the people who performed the torture. So, it's much narrower, and those won't be punished as harsh due to the fact that they lay the legal groundwork, not directly authorizing someone to torture.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/04/2 ...
"Just five days after urging against "recrimination" for the George W. Bush-era torture of terror suspects, President Obama said Attorney General Eric Holder is free to probe the White House higher-ups who authorized the tough treatment. "
Free to do? Why not order him to do that? It's like "hey, do it if you like it".
"With respect to those who formulated those legal decisions, I would say that that is going to be more of a decision for the attorney general within the parameters of various laws, and I don't want to prejudge that," Obama said.
What? So the attorney general must make the decision so the president doesn't have to?
"Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel then said Sunday that there would be no prosecutions of those who devised the interrogation policies. "
Ok, so Obama say: "do it if you like", and his chief of staffs say: "there will be no such thing".
What is this? Treating American like the Bush admin again? They think we're stupid, and treat us like brainless monkeys?
Let me help you, Obama. That kind of politics got Bush and his group into trouble. You can bluff, you can promise, you can try to be cute, but people are not stupid enough to see the end of the game, and if you don't deliver, it'll show. Sure, you'll get 8 years like Bush, but it's not pretty. Fix your act now, and you can thank me later. - inactive, on 04/22/2009, -1/+5So you'll just make ***** up until the specifics contradict you?
- bamw69, on 04/22/2009, -0/+4Don't forget Pelosi and anyone else who knew.
- inactive, on 04/22/2009, -1/+5*blush*
- bsmang, on 04/22/2009, -6/+10Dug for specifying both "republicans and people".
- bsmang, on 04/22/2009, -3/+7Oh really? An impending attack was prevented? Which attack was that?
- chronically420, on 04/22/2009, -0/+4if you watched the documentary yourself you'd realize its not purely about the deception of obama, its more about the deception of all the presidents. dont look at a title and automatically assume you know what its about.
- elliotys, on 04/22/2009, -2/+6. . . and justice for all.
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