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- jstohler, on 10/11/2007, -160/+852Well, ***** you then, Obama.
- NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -63/+332Obama must be blind to not see what the Bush administration has done... as a grave grave breech...
- xister, on 10/11/2007, -94/+355So a ***** blowjob is a grave breech, yet torture, war crimes, (et. al.) isn't... Like jstohler said; ***** you Obama...
- RoroCo, on 10/11/2007, -58/+309You guys should read the article after the title.
"I believe if we began impeachment proceedings we will be engulfed in more of the politics that has made Washington dysfunction," he added. "We would once again, rather than attending to the people's business, be engaged in a tit-for-tat, back-and-forth, nonstop circus."
He has a point. Bush is out after 08. If we start impeaching now, then all our efforts will be wasted on the blame game instead of fixing this mess. Now that congress and the senate are working on getting resolutions in place for all these administrative mistakes, let them fix the problems and let Bush die the disgraceful death that is coming to him shortly.
Obama is not siding with the administration. In fact, he calls them bums in a quote of the article. He is just saying that the blame game is of no help to us right now and we need to focus on fixing the issues.
That is my take on it. Bury me if you wish, but I like that he is thinking with his head and not his hate. - Drahkar, on 10/11/2007, -20/+183No kidding. So then by Obama's take, the violation of the Geneva Convention isn't a big deal, the violation of federal wiretapping laws isn't a big deal. The continued pursuit of personal liberty reduction and police state laws isn't a big deal. Did this guy sudden;y trip and shove his head up his own ass so far that he can't see the world too clearly anymore? And to think I used to have some respect for his opinion.
- Albionshores, on 10/11/2007, -45/+178Wow, has Obama just shot himself in the foot!
People will now either associate him with protecting Bush/Cheney and so see him as an outside neo-con OR that he is unaware of public sentiment and politcally naive. - kden, on 10/11/2007, -24/+155There goes his ratings.
- dforty3, on 10/11/2007, -82/+212This is how you can tell that Obama is just as owned as Hillary and the rest of the presidential candidates except for Ron Paul, Mike Gravel and maybe John Edwards. Maybe.
- Eilarais, on 10/11/2007, -56/+128Unfortunately, he has a point. I would love to see Bush/Cheney out of office, but I want the impeachment that I envision in my mind, not the impeachment that the 110th congress would provide us with.
Not that he isn't a spineless coward for saying this: "I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breeches, and intentional breeches of the president's authority." What the ***** does he think has been happening!!?? - PuP5, on 10/11/2007, -15/+87he's right. don't impeach. convict of war crimes.
- drumpat01, on 10/11/2007, -23/+88how is going to war illegally, spying on american citizens, playing politics in the courts illegally, not grave grave intentional breeches?" Give me a break.
- Mageant, on 10/11/2007, -8/+66We should impeach on principle, i.e. because the President or the VP have committed impeachable offenses. Just as we shouldn't try to impeach because it's politically opportune, we shouldn't "not impeach" because it's politically opportune either. Additionally, if we don't impeach now, we will set the standard much higher for what can considered impeachable conduct for future administrations.
- ScrewedThePooch, on 10/11/2007, -7/+62"I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breeches, and intentional breeches of the president's authority."
Like getting blowjobs in office as opposed to lying to the public to start a war, killing Iraqi civilians, taking a dump on the Constitution, siding with corporations over national health, providing Federal tax funding for religious organizations, and refusing to cooperate with court subpoenas? - janeuner, on 10/11/2007, -3/+54Don't bury: refute.
1. Right now, Washington is dysfunctional. They are stuck in a subpeona/executive privledge spiral. The introduction of impeachment proceedings will override Executive privledge and force the White House to release everything.
2. The greatest danger has nothing to do with the current administration. In the last few years, the president has violated the constitution without any consequence. If this president leaves office without being reprimanded, then he will have set a legal precident for future administrations to continue violating the rights of the American citizen.
Impeachment has little to do with this president, and everything to do with the next. - profOblivion, on 10/11/2007, -6/+53I think the Clinton impeachment was a travesty too, but let's get this straight: he was impeached for lying under oath, not for having an affair. That said, it's still nothing next to starting an illegal war, supporting torture, and generally ignoring the Constitution.
- hambend, on 10/11/2007, -2/+47I have to disagree with you, Noah, even though I read the whole article, and I'm neither stupid (I hope) nor American.
"I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breeches, and intentional breeches of the president's authority."
War crimes? Political profiteering? Constant misinformation and perversion of justice? Near total disregard for the constitution? If not these then what?
"There's a way to bring an end to those practices, you know: vote the bums out."
This is wrong. It completely ignores the massive profits that have been made by key figures in the administration through these immoral and outright abhorrent practices, not to mention the profits and policy advantages they've given to their partners in the business world. They've done their dash, they've made their cash, now they're praying like hell they can get away as lightly as being voted out of office.
If these people walk with anything less than (let's say) 10 years imprisonment, then they've won. They can retire happily on their blood-money, but even that isn't the point. It sends a clear signal to politicians down the line that they can do whatever they want without fear of repercussions from their employers, the American public. The situation in Washington will continue to deteriorate.
In my opinion, impeachment doesn't go far enough. - k0rd, on 10/11/2007, -49/+94***** you too Obama, you were my choice.
- paladin144, on 10/11/2007, -16/+58Obama just lost my vote. If Bush's illegal wiretapping and illegal war in Iraq isn't a grave breach, then what is?
And no, I don't give a ***** if it's a divisive circus. It needs to be done for the good of democracy. Apparently Obama values decorum over democracy. If that's the case then he is not fit to represent us. - fancypantscz, on 10/11/2007, -5/+47Kucinich seems to be the only candidate willing to support impeachment.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4905748519408502159&q=candidates+debate+impeachment&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
He is the candidate that has already submitted a resolution for Cheney's impeachment. The text of the resolution, the articles of impeachment, and all supporting references can be found at
http://kucinich.house.gov/spotlightissues/documents.htm - NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -7/+45All I have to say, is we've impeached presidents in the past, for FAR LESS than what Bush and Cheney has done... And it should be that way... Presidents should be AFRAID of the consequences if they do ***** like this...
- FyreGoddess, on 10/11/2007, -9/+45This is what I've been saying for ages, but people just don't get it.
Yes, Obama is charismatic, but he's also a tool. The scary part for me is that I don't know who he is a tool FOR.
Adding this information to the mix just cements my vehemence that he is not the right candidate for the presidency, nor is whoever is manipluating him behind the scenes. - DrBone, on 10/11/2007, -2/+38Maybe if Clinton had known the magic words, "I don't recall", he could have avoided being impeached as well.
- polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -7/+42I love how you're getting dugg down because you're telling it like it is. The Democrats don't have any. I voted for them strictly because of the Iraq war. Once they got in, they started with all this bi-partisan crap. Still, none of them will strap on a set and do something about it. I switched back over to Republican, so I could vote for Paul in the primaries. I am not all too keen his lack of understanding, regarding net neutrality, but that's why there is more than once branch of government. I wasn't too keen on it myself, with all the fud. Republicans and Democrats are just two flavors of the same organization. They use idiotic wedge issues to gain support and divide the nation in half. Something has got to change and no other candidate would like to see that happen.
- NeoRicen, on 10/11/2007, -12/+47Obama never said the Clinton imepeachement was right you idiot, he wasn't even there.
- noahhoward, on 10/11/2007, -57/+90You didn't even read the article did you. ***** you ignorant pricks who caused this whole mess with kneejerk reactions. Learn what you can before opening your mouth.
It will never cease to amaze me how stupid Americans are, you will discredit one of the best hopes you have for several words from an article without even checking to see if he said anything else. You'll get what you deserve in the end, 8 more years of political wrangling that does nothing but embarrass the nation. - obliviousfool, on 10/11/2007, -15/+48Obama also came out like a dud for the Howard University debate. It should have been his moment to shine. Instead, he seemed to fall flat.
- Janizzary, on 10/11/2007, -18/+50I think Chomsky was right in saying that Democrats & Republicans are two factions of the same party. Out of ALL the candidates running for the Democratic & Republican presidential nominations, only one stands out and that's Ron Paul. The rest are corporate stooges...
- nicktx, on 10/11/2007, -18/+49It only comes to show that politicians are, by large, self-interested opportunists who would put their own political interests over principle in the blink of an eye, and Obama for all the misguided hype he's generated is not all that different. Just look at what happened to McCain on the right and how he sold out to evangelists and the extreme right. The system needs to be shaken up if the interests of the people can ever come before the interests of lobbyists and large corporations.
- ScrewedThePooch, on 10/11/2007, -7/+37Not an excuse that the government will be tied up in the proceedings. The government is doing nothing right now, so it might as well be tied up in impeachment proceedings.
Impeaching Bush would also distract him from causing more harm. - PhantomRogue, on 10/11/2007, -7/+33Well, fixing Bush and Cheney now before they start bombing and attacking Iran is a top priority, or the next President is left with the inevitable task of Invading Iran.
Bush and Cheney will leave the Presidency in Ruin and the face of America will forever be sullied by those two degenerates. - MarkOfTheDead, on 10/11/2007, -12/+36wow, he just made narrowing my vote down even easier.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+29He is not the first to make that point, and it is a valid one. That said, he is a sell-out for not having the courage to call Bush / Cheney's crimes what they are: grave breeches of presidential authority. He may not want to take congress down that road, but that doesn't mean he has to lie and keep the Republicans happy.
- kushed, on 10/11/2007, -5/+28I regret donating money to this guy now.
- NeoRicen, on 10/11/2007, -27/+49I'm sorry I must have missed it when Ron Paul supported a Bush impeachment, jackass.
- faithhealer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+27@dforty3: Edwards is just as bad as Clinton and Obama - he didn't have the guts to vote against authorizing force against Iraq even though he knew it was wrong--it was a political calculation. We need someone who's willing to stand up for what's right. Can't we resurrect Paul Wellstone? (Of course he would never win the presidency, but it sure was nice having his voice of conscience in the Senate.)
- wiremonkeymommy, on 10/11/2007, -14/+35wow... Obama, way to jump in the toilet and pull the handle!! wtg!
- Drahkar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22Exactly. He's been screwing the country and the public enough to have one of the lowest presidential approval ratings of all time. Is personally responsible for most of the negative activity within the country and our domestic troubles. Including the giving of tax breaks to large corporations so they could send jobs overseas. But none of these are reasons to impeach him? I just don't get it. Especially since they found getting head from a intern and not being upfront about it an impeachable offense, how in the world could the actions of Bush not be ones?
- MScoutsDCI, on 10/11/2007, -7/+28I understand the argument that we'll be engulfed in a political circus if we try to impeach, but don't people realize that WE ALREADY ARE!?!? With all the investigations going on and with the WH's stubborn arrogance in refusing the subpoenas, we are ALREADY stuck in a political circus, only as of now, NOTHING IS GETTING DONE!
- exegesisClique, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21Man, I'm all for not embroiling the House and Senate in a "tit-for-tat , back-and-forth, nonstop circus". However, I'm not seeing that in the Bush Administration. I'm seeing serious crimes against the people it's supposed to serve. I'm seeing war crimes. If Obama can't see that this administration is indeed committing grave and intentional breeches then I don't think I can, in all honesty, vote for him. Which really pisses me off, I thought he was going to be a hard-hitting bad-ass. As a previous responder said, part of cleaning this mess up is impeaching Bush and Cheney. It would signal to the world that we aren't going to tolerate that kind of behavior in our preseident.
Dennis Kucinich ( http://kucinich.us/ ) is looking better and better. - bemenaker, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24How about, if we impeach these idiots, we restore some of our reputation with the rest of the world. Impeaching them at this point, is more about showing the world we will not stand for someone ruining our country from the inside out.
- reuscel, on 10/11/2007, -14/+32Wow. There goes all my respect for Obama.
So, condoning torture, spearheading an unconstitutional warrantless wiretapping program, starting an illegal and unjustified war, and politicizing the Justice Department aren't "intentional breaches of the president's authority"? What the ***** does he need to do? Wipe his ass on the constitution (literally, not figuratively) on the lawn of the White House while fellating Osama Bin Laden?
Good luck in the primaries, dingleberry. Remember 2004, when the Democrats ran a spineless pussy against Bush? How did that work out for them? Grow some ***** balls, Obama. Impeachment is the only thing that will hold Bush and Cheney accountable for their blatant disregard for the law of the land. - crackedplastic, on 10/11/2007, -11/+28Did you guys even READ the article? The subject line is really out of context here.
Obama said, "I believe if we began impeachment proceedings we will be engulfed in more of the politics that has made Washington dysfunction. We would once again, rather than attending to the people's business, be engaged in a tit-for-tat, back-and-forth, nonstop circus."
With the way Congress is working currently, this really would be a just a mudfest without quick resolution. Personally, I'd love to see a change in office right now; however, we need to be realists here. - polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18You know, we're supposed to have many different opposing viewpoints. It's just that the major two parties have drown out any other perspectives. I wish people could see past two party politics.
- mithrasinvictus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17So you don't think lying about WMD's is more serious than lying about a blowjob?
- bemenaker, on 10/11/2007, -7/+22digging up on the assumption of sarcasm :)
- ptrr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face! It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
-George W. Bush
Now I know American Idol is on tonight but I'm sure you can look up that quote before it starts. - scoobydoo84, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18If this man doesn't realize that W and company have committed GRAVE GRAVE breaches against the American constitution then Obama is immediately disqualified to even be a senator. This kind of judgment has no place in leadership. Its this kind of thinking that has allowed W to do what he has been doing. This man just lost any consideration I was willing to give him!!
- hambend, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Argh! I swear I had paragraphs in that post. Why must Digg rape my comments so?
- wiremonkeymommy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17It's not "hate", when crimes are committed, there are consequences, or at least, that's the way it's sold to us citizens, try breaking serious laws and see what happens. Impeaching is part of 'fixing the mess' if you want to restore the general public's trust in government.
- wm2010russ, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14actually, ron paul HAS said that he would vote for impeachment if the vote ever came around. hes obviously not going to bring it up because NO ONE in the house or senate has undeniable, 100% proof, but he supports investigations into it and he said if the investigations came up positive, hed support it. jackass.
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