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- StigNordas, on 04/21/2009, -16/+128It's about time this is recognized, I'm glad this generation is pursuing it.
- thelastcivilian, on 04/21/2009, -11/+116In addition to Obama officially recognizing it, TURKEY should recognize it. This should be a pre-condition to entry into the EU.
- inactive, on 04/21/2009, -11/+65SOAD needs to reunite already...
- hamobu, on 04/21/2009, -3/+42With Obama, it is hard to tell what he would do in a particular situation untill he actually does it. A lot of people were dissapointed with Obama. They were lead to believe that Obama would support a particular position when in fact that was not the case. This is Obama's strategy:
1. Obama talks about the problem and shows understanding of all sides but does not commit to anything
2. If Obama make a statement of commitment, make sure it is vague and open to interpretation
3. In very rare cases that obama actually has made a solid commitment to one side of the issue, when it comes to a time to make a decision, rather than acting out of principle, Obama will pragmatically choose the middle way.
That is why I find it best to ignore Obama's statements and minor gestures and wait until he does something significant. After all, talk is cheap. - macfan93, on 04/21/2009, -4/+41Has anybody ever told you that you are fantastic with grammar?
- uskomaton, on 04/21/2009, -5/+39I would just like to reminds you of this:
"...No matter what promises you make on the campaign trail - blah, blah, blah - when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialist, capitalist ***** that got you in there, and this little screen comes down... and it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before, which looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll.... And then the screen comes up, the lights come on, and they say to the new president, 'Any questions?'"
-Gods Dark Poet Bill Hicks - inactive, on 04/21/2009, -2/+33"Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
- mbraynard, on 04/21/2009, -18/+45Everyone that committed the Genocide is dead. The country that committed them is gone.
There really isn't anything to do.... it's not like Bush even denied that the genocide took place. It's just a matter of do you want to stick this in the eye of Turkey, a Democratic ally of the US in the Muslim world.
Obama, being a political WHORE, of course promised he would recognize it and then backed off.
Get use to this on issues large and small, America. - MainManMoni, on 04/21/2009, -7/+34Does taking your child's murderer to court 10 years after the fact really change anything?
- jupaneanu, on 04/21/2009, -7/+31hopes he stays true to his promise
- janinekahn, on 04/21/2009, -11/+34Mr. President, the 24th of April is but few days away. Recognize the TRUTH and don't give in to the pressures of those who want to hide this tragic historical reality.
- redsoxmb545, on 04/21/2009, -1/+22- Adolf Hitler
- hypodan, on 04/21/2009, -0/+21That's what the thumb up in the green square is for, just so you know.
- caramelboogers, on 04/21/2009, -1/+20Billions? Really. Do you know what the definition of billions is?
- internetisscary, on 04/21/2009, -8/+26very moving! let's hope he follows through on this promise!
- GoKings, on 04/21/2009, -20/+37Does recognizing it as a genocide really change anything?
- LawScholar, on 06/25/2009, -1/+17I, too, am a man with honest.
- enantiodromia, on 04/21/2009, -5/+21stem cells, cuba, gitmo, stimulus, national parks, info.gov, tax credits for first time home buyers, any of these things sound familiar, or do you just filter out the stuff that doesn't fit into your model of the universe?
- SpaceKebab, on 04/21/2009, -2/+16as serge says
Recognition, restoration, reparation.
There's more the Armenian people want than just recognition. it's a step in the right direction. - inactive, on 04/21/2009, -2/+15Tasteless.
- inactive, on 04/21/2009, -2/+15"The Century of the Self" - http://www.educatorsofliberty.com/index.php?conten ...
- banderwocky, on 04/21/2009, -1/+14The words "Never again." seem pretty hollow.
- Khiva, on 04/21/2009, -11/+24Most diggers are quick to condemn the Christian right for its focus on moral absolutism without regard to context and circumstance, but this might be an example of the same thing. Take the right's opposition to abortion - the religious bloc focuses solely on the fact that abortion is a sad and unfortunate thing, and can't look past that to the externalities, such as the health of the mother, reproductive rights, and a glut of unwanted children.
So in this case, I want to suggest that we are looking at something which is unabashedly good - calling a spade a spade - and letting that blind us to all that could follow from that. Recall that Turkey is a nation that has been taking small steps towards a West that in many ways it deeply distrusts. The Treaty of Sevres, for example, while utterly unknown in West, is on the lips and in the mind of every Turkish person. Turkey has been making its own way, however uneven, towards dealing objectively with its past for some time now. Pushing this on them will, I guarantee you, set this process backwards. If your goal is for Turkey to face up to its past, this will have the opposite effect. A positive, though emotionally unsatisfying step would be to encourage the growth a robust civil society in Turkey, and let them arrive at their conclusions through their own process. - inactive, on 04/21/2009, -5/+18*****. The Turkish government TODAY denies it ever happened. Don't spread lies, people like you are the reason they are misinformed about the whole situation. It's like saying, Oh the Pilgrims killed the indians, don't blame America, because the american people admit it happened. Yeah dumbass, americans still killed them.
- jonjonblazezany, on 04/21/2009, -1/+13Good luck dont hold your breath.
- EGOvoruhk, on 04/21/2009, -0/+11I love bands for their music
- invictus125, on 04/21/2009, -3/+14Serj rules.
'Nuff said. - willsani, on 04/21/2009, -3/+14It won't change the fact that all those people died but hey at least we're acknowledging the issue instead of denying their rights!
- inactive, on 04/21/2009, -2/+13The mass burying of posts in some threads?
- Maynza, on 04/21/2009, -0/+10Atrocities are atrocities no matter whether we are allies with the countries that commit them or not.
- Speed, on 04/21/2009, -1/+10Difference being that in this case, no one gets punished.
- charm803, on 04/21/2009, -4/+12Bush's "we have more important things to do" attitude really upset me even more.
Obama has reacted to each situation with urgency, as if no matter what the issue, it is important. (Yeah, I know, except marijuana.)
I cannot even imagine what his days are like. He has not been in office for 100 days, but I am confident we picked the right person for this job. - Barackalypse, on 04/21/2009, -3/+11He didn't:
"Barack Obama sidesteps Armenian genocide row on trip to Turkey
Barack Obama found his diplomatic skills tested to the limit today when he was forced to address the Turkish slaughter of Armenians during the dying days of the Ottoman Empire without using the word "genocide". "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe ... - maxjames007, on 04/21/2009, -15/+23I found this very moving, thank-you for submitting this.
J - lowtolerance, on 04/21/2009, -2/+10then you must recognize the Armenian Genocide. It's the law.
- CRCulver, on 04/22/2009, -0/+8"Why don't we recognize our own genocide against Native Americans?"
We do to a great extent. During the 500th anniversary of Columbus' first voyage in 1992, the media was full of stories chronicling the troubling impact of European settlement on the indigenous peoples of the Americas. Meanwhile, in Turkey questioning certain aspects of history is forbidden in the media, and those who courageously broke the silence have been threatened with prison under Turkish law's prohibition against "insulting Turkishness". - fadeout, on 04/21/2009, -1/+9Palestinian population growth, in 2008, was 2.225%. In the same year, 6 children were born for every death.
The Palestinian population is exploding in more ways than one. You are beyond delusional if you think they're being "wiped out." - schavira, on 04/21/2009, -4/+11So killing millions is a forgettable offense? Do you really value foreign relations over human life?
By the way, genocide and abortion comparison? Seriously? - Barackalypse, on 04/21/2009, -4/+11The difference between you and me is that you hope he stays true to his promise, while I went to look to see if he actually did, and he didn't:
"Barack Obama sidesteps Armenian genocide row on trip to Turkey"
"Barack Obama found his diplomatic skills tested to the limit today when he was forced to address the Turkish slaughter of Armenians during the dying days of the Ottoman Empire without using the word "genocide". "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe ... - schavira, on 04/22/2009, -0/+7I think we should recognize the Herero and Native American genocides
- kalvinb, on 04/21/2009, -3/+10Turkey didn't exist at the time this event happened.
The genocide happened in 1915. The country was formed in 1923.
But the real issue is not blaming Turkey for the genocide, the problem is that Turkey wants to deny that what happened (if anything happened at all) was a genocide. The Muslims wanted to purge the Christian population and murdered 1 to 1.5 million Christians in the process. It really goes against the victim mentality in the Middle East. Remember kids, the Muslims were also the victims during the Crusades. And they're certainly the victim when it comes to Israel.
It's essentially like denying the holocaust or considering it something other than what it was: systematic ethnic cleansing.
Requiring Turkey to recognize this event as a genocide is on par with requiring Iran to recognize the holocaust.
Good luck with that. If you want to convince the world you're a "Religion of Peace" you can't accept the Armenian Genocide. - TurboSquid, on 04/21/2009, -3/+10Serj Tankian is the man!
- enantiodromia, on 04/21/2009, -1/+7you act like he rounded up all of our "hard earned dollars" and blasted them off into space.
- zenmechanic, on 04/21/2009, -8/+14How about... ***** Turkey.
Man up Turkey.
Do the crime, do the time. Sweeping it under the rug only makes wounds fester. Gotta rip the bandiad off quick and the deal with the consequences.
- RC212V, on 04/21/2009, -5/+11Reparations? Is that a joke? Are we asking Japan to pay reparations to China for the 300,000 people who were brutally massacred in Nanking in WWII? How about holding Russia's feet to the fire for the millions killed by Stalin? Hell, why doesn't the United States pay reparations to all of those Argentines who died as a result of the CIA-backed coup d'etat?
There are plenty of atrocities that have been committed way more recently than 80 years ago that we're not holding anyone accountable for. Why should Turkey be held to a different standard? - plana, on 04/21/2009, -0/+6Please also read about Hellenic massacre - which was the greek part of this where millions of greeks were killed.
http://www.greece.org/genocide/quotes/ - c0ncept, on 04/21/2009, -2/+8Dugg for Serj Tankian.
- AimlessAbyss, on 04/21/2009, -2/+8Serj is awesome! Not only does he make great music, but he actually cares about what's going on in the world. Let's hope Obama makes good on his promise to acknowledge the Armenian genocide.
- RC212V, on 04/21/2009, -4/+10You know, not everyone speaks English as their first language. Just a thought.
- xxacefirexx, on 04/21/2009, -4/+10You would probably digg down a holocoust denier, why would the Armenian Genocide be different?
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