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"O"BFUSCATE "O"BAMA

worldnetdaily.com — Obama would rather be known for his Muslim Name, as opposed to the country he wants to lead, while in mid-east. ('Course back-here, he'd rather we associate hime with the national colors).

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  • SOLGAARD, on 07/21/2008, -13/+11Which is worse- spay-on loyalty, or spray-on hair-color??

    You make the call.
  • SlayerSyrena, on 07/22/2008, -14/+23This man must be so full of himself...
    • sjl127, on 07/22/2008, -3/+8WR - O - NG
    • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/22/2008, -3/+4Full of himself? You mean SOLGAARD or Obama?
    • alkajazz, on 07/23/2008, -3/+3Is it just me or does SOLGAARD Look like David Cross if he was a religious nut with pictures of knives and a shirt that says "Sons of God World Tour"?
    • SydBloom, on 07/23/2008, -2/+1You are very right SOLGAARD. But stalinists usually are despots. Afterall they think they are smarter and more worthy than anyone else. It is part of their elitism.
  • nippinawassee, on 07/22/2008, -14/+20And the 'O' stands for ?? The democratic party heads are going to have a rough time if this empty suit wins - they're so excited over having the FIRST black candidate that they can hardly stand it. Wait til they try to rein him in - to provide counseling on his new job - to try and control his actions... and wait til they run head on into his real handlers - CAIR, et al. The concern over him being muslim has now been overridden by the concern that he truly is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Too many bloopers - too many stupid comments that are totally wrong... yep, the democratic party is going to start wondering why they didn't run ol' j.hijackson - at least he was controllable... to an extent... TWT - time will tell...
    • Deanology, on 07/22/2008, -7/+12Perhaps a few different things. A circle, such as a wedding ring, represent "infinity".

      One popular view right now is "Obamanation", in which case he's picked a pretty clever design for.

      How about this one, "Order", as in the New World Order.

      I see a tremendous money making market coming with the manufacturing of "O" lapel pins with the same colorful design.
    • SOLGAARD, on 07/22/2008, -7/+12i thought the "O", stood for "OPRAH'S"
    • ccso8462, on 07/22/2008, -4/+10It's not really an "O" it's a big zero! The perfect symbol for his qualifications.
  • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -14/+25I am surprised the logo on the tail is not a crescent moon, with Allah Akbar painted on the side in Arabic.
    • ROaks, on 07/22/2008, -9/+17as nippinawassee said, "....he truly is not the sharpest knife in the drawer." however, he has just enough to keep his bravado under control. It's gets away at times as this story indicates.
    • kayala, on 07/23/2008, -2/+6Racist much?
      • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -7/+3Aha. Another uneducated democratic liberal.

        kayala do you know what the word means?

        "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race"

        How does ROaks comments fit the definition? Or maybe you just cannot read.
      • alkajazz, on 07/23/2008, -2/+9Aha. Another uneducated fundamentalist stooge.

        Are you sure what you're trying to defend? The sane world sees it as a blatant stereotype. Stop trying to defend this ***** and maybe people will take you seriously. Also I think she was referencing your comment. Dumbass.
      • kayala, on 07/23/2008, -2/+9I have no respect for a person so mentally inept that he thinks "democratic liberal" is a pejorative name to call someone. Are you suggesting that you are undemocratic, that is, opposed to the concept on which this political system was founded? Says a lot about the way you fundie jackasses behave. Thanks for the dictionary definition, but you can't pretend that racism isn't also inherent in speaking in derogatory terms about another culture. You accuse him nastily and untruthfully of being Middle Eastern in origin and Muslim in practice, and for what reason? If he is a Muslim, what does that imply? It implies that you have an excuse to indulge your hatred for people of other races and faiths, and that is simply not acceptable.
      • ApokalypseNow, on 07/23/2008, -1/+8@kayala
        You know the crowd in here, they'd prefer that the US was a christian theocracy - they keep trying to push that agenda every time they say the phrase "christian nation".

        See? I can make up ridiculous agendas too!
      • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6AN,

        I'm not so sure that agenda is "made up"...
      • ApokalypseNow, on 07/23/2008, -1/+5@Coven
        True, given the things these people believe (talking snakes), and their own insidious methodologies (google: Wedge Doctrine) it may well be an agenda they have.
      • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -3/+1Al Kajazz,

        Do you have you Quiblia all shined up and glued to your desktop pointing the right way to Makkah?

        When was your last Haj, and did you get to really touch the Kabaa?

        By the way, excellent defense of brother Barack Hussein Obama.
  • linux6994, on 07/22/2008, -15/+28He is an embarrassment for us all.
  • linux6994, on 07/22/2008, -18/+15He is an embarrassment for all.
  • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -21/+21If he was a Christian as he alludes he would have to be killed because Muslims practice the "apostasy penalty." Anyone who changes from Muslim must be killed.

    There is no doubt he was a Muslim since birth. The Qu'ran REQUIRES a father to pray the Muslim recitation over a newborn child, thus insuring the child is a Muslim since birth. Barack Hussein Obama was born a Muslim, as decided by his father. He is still a Muslim or he would have to be killed.
    • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -6/+18Yes, the only reason he's still alive is the fact that he's a secret Muslim and not the enormous security detail thanks to the United States Secret Service.

      Honestly, seek help. Your paranoia is going to get the best of you one day.
      • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/22/2008, -5/+11http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesme ...
      • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -6/+3I am curious how many times you've read a Qur'an cover-to-cover?

        How much time have you spent in Saudi Arabia?

        I would imagine you still think that Osama bin Laden is just about America, and not opposition to the Wahabbi King Abdullah?

        Rather than calling names why don't you wise up, get an education, and learn something?

        Saul Alinsky and his followers like you are well know. We read your book. Give it up.
      • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -7/+2How many times have you read the Quran?

        How many times have you read the biography of the Prophet Mohammed PBUH?

        Have you ever seen the television talk show in Riyadh; "In Balance" especially the episode that discusses the acceptance of the apostasy penalty?

        Liberals. You call names, have no education, and don't bother to try to understand.

        We read your book on Saul Alinsky.

        Your comments and those of your party sound like Chamberlin. Yeah, Hitler was a good guy and you got his word on paper. You are way too funny.
      • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -7/+2I forgot to ask, how many Wahabi Sunnis do you know?

        Do you know what the apostasy penalty is?

        Shame. Heaven help us if people like you get into positions of power in the government.
      • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/22/2008, -0/+6How Many times have you been called a douche-*****?
    • eir574, on 07/22/2008, -1/+14"There is no doubt he was a Muslim since birth. "

      Which is meaningful only to someone who has decided that the laws of Islam apply to him. Surely you don't believe that a person has no choice but to believe in the faith of his parents if said faith is traditionally passed on by birth. My mother is Jewish, but I doubt anyone would consider me to be Jewish in anything other than the sense that I am descended from Jews.
      • farmerjohn48pan, on 07/22/2008, -9/+5Which would make you a Jew. This is the one area Muslims and Jews agree on. It doesn't matter what YOU think. You will always be considered a Jew by other Jews and Obama will always be considered Muslim by other Muslims.
      • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -7/+3I couldn't have said it better myself.

        eir574 how many times have you read the Quran?

        What verse or Surah do you base your opinion on?

        Since you are so gifted in theology perhaps you know when a Roman Catholic child is born what is he?
    • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -8/+3I have the same question to you. How many times have you read the Quran?

      I've read it four times, the Old Testament, five times, etc.

      What is the apostasy penalty?

      How do you become a Muslim?

      If a child is born to Roman Catholic parents is he a Roman Catholic? (hint, the answer is yes)

      Come on guys. I know you mean the best, but get some education before you start spouting stuff that the Democratic party wants you to believe.

      Think for yourselves.
      • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -1/+5I prefer science fiction, not fantasy.
      • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -1/+5Follow up zinger:

        If I wanted to read fantasy, I'd pick up Tolkien.
      • Christianptriot, on 07/23/2008, -4/+3Tolkien based his writing on Christianity - bad choice for a comeback on your part.
      • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -6/+1Being Muslim has almost nothing to do with what you think you are. It is a theocracy (sorry for the big word Coven), there are five pillars of Islam. But you probably think that is a fantasy too?

        You can be put in jail for drawing a cartoon of the prophet Mohammad PBUH.

        If you want fantasy turn to the democratic party and the liberals. If you want fact study the real thing. Read the Quran, it would do you good. Read what a Whahabbi is all about. Read the history of Saudi Arabia. Read about the Wahabbi division between Osama bin Laden and King Abdullah.

        Try to go to Makkah or Makdina, if you are not Muslim you can be put to death.

        Zing, zang, zung!
      • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6Ok, so he based his fiction on previous fictional works.
      • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -7/+2Dear Mr. Coven,

        The best you've done tonight is call names, and make guesses.

        How many times have you read the Bible? The New Testament?

        Me thinks you are a very good Democrat, talk without knowing what you are talking about.

        Have you ever read lord of the rings, or are their too many big words?

        Honestly. Study up before you open your mouth.

        "Better to be thought a fool and remain silent that to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
      • eir574, on 07/23/2008, -1/+8"The best you've done tonight is call names, and make guesses."

        followed by:

        "Have you ever read lord of the rings, or are their too many big words?"

        It's funny for multiple reasons. How can you accuse someone of name calling and then engage in the same behavior yourself two sentences later? How can you accuse someone of being too stupid to read Lord of the Rings in a sentence which, despite its simplicity, has multiple grammatical mistakes? I know posts are often written quickly and that grammatical mistakes happen, but I'd be more careful about proofreading before you insult someone else's intelligence.


        In response to your earlier post, the rules about how one becomes a Muslim and what happens to Muslims who leave Islam are meaningful only to those who consider themselves subject to Islamic law. My mother is Jewish, and hence Jews would consider me to be as well. However, I certainly have freedom of choice in that regard and can reject the Jewish faith. So too can people born to Muslim fathers.
      • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -0/+8Dear Mr. Chapman,

        You haven't read too deeply into my posts if your conclusion is that all I've done is called names and make guesses. Sure I've been a little naughty tonight, but my name calling is tame compared to what the majority of people in these comments have said about Senator Obama.

        I read large swaths of the Torah during my years in Hebrew school. I have never read much of the New Testament directly, but I know many of the stories therein, and have had many Christian friends so I have had many opportunities to attend mass. I am not ignorant of the Christian faith.

        I try to research what I post about before I make my comments if I am not familiar with the subject matter. Again, you aren't reading my posts very well if you are accusing me of not knowing what I am talking about

        I indeed read Lord of the Rings. I only read Fellowship, though. I enjoyed it enough to finish it, but not enough to complete the series. I was too into Clarke, Card and Asimov to stray from sci fi for long. I got the rest of the story from the movies, which, as I understand, did not do the books justice, but managed to convey the story well enough that I did not need to complete the series.



        "Better to be thought a fool and remain silent that to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
        You should follow your own advice.
      • alkajazz, on 07/23/2008, -2/+7@Chrpat however your stupid handle

        "Tolkien based his writing on Christianity - bad choice for a comeback on your part."

        You're a ***** moron if you believe it was based solely on christian themes. Forget the Norse mythology and various other epics that inspired many of the characters? Dwarves are from Norse mythology silly rabbit.
      • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -3/+1Coven,

        Read your own reply. The Torah is only five books. If you were any kind of student you could read it all, in Hebrew, in less than a week.

        Forgive me, but going to mass doesn't do anything to teach you about the Christian faith. If you sincerely want to learn read Paul's letter to the Romans.

        Please enlighten me, tell me the most important FACT about Christianity and I will concede. Got the answer?

        Guessing isn't good enough. I normally don't get into these frays because the poor morons like you really think you are writing something cogent.

        Stay away from Asimov if you are going to try to turn it into theology, and Alinsky and his Rules for Radicals that teach you should call names when you cannot debate on facts.

        Read ALL of what Moses wrote. In these precious books are not stories, but G-d revealing himself in true and irrefutable history.

        Best regards to your continued study.
      • Coven, on 07/24/2008, -1/+5As Hebrew is not a language I readily understand, I cannot read it in less than a week. It took me a few years to be able to read it well enough in the original hebrew to comprehend what I was reading. I was younger than 13 then. The Torah is a third of the 'hebrew bible'.

        I honestly don't want to go any deeper into christianity than what I already know. I explored many faiths and rejected them all over the course of my life. This also means I don't know what your so called "fact" is about Christianity. In all honesty, the only fact I can admit of any faith is that they are all conceived by man to explain that which could not be explained.

        Who said anything about turning Asimov into mythology? You really didn't understand what I wrote if you are making that assumption. I brought authors like Asimov into this to demonstrate that your bible is no more true than the Three Laws of Robotics. Both are fictional constructs, developed in the minds of men. The key difference is, I did not choose to live my life based on the fictional stories I enjoy reading.

      • kayala, on 07/25/2008, -1/+1I'm impressed with this Christian "patriot's" ability to pay attention. Tolkien was not too fond of the Christians; in my copy of The Silmarillion, there is a letter before the story begins, to explain why Tolkien wrote the story. He did so because he felt his country did not have a mythological history like Rome or Greece did, and in explaining his motivations, he got in some spectacular digs at the Christians who would try to claim his works as religious. If you'd pull your head out of your ass once in a while, you might learn a thing or two and stop making yourself look so stupid.
  • rkeyo, on 07/22/2008, -14/+28This guy is a dangerous, neofascist radical - anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-Semitic, anti-2nd Amendment, pro-Islam, pro-abortion, with NO qualifications for the office of President. If he were not (half) black, no one would pay any attention to the idiotic lies that come out of both sides of his mouth on a daily basis.
    • ROaks, on 07/22/2008, -4/+10rkeyo, the truthfulness of your last sentence is shown by the way Alan Keyes was and is treated during his candidacy. If you are a Marxist or a wild eyed humanist, you get the attention. If, however, you are a mature, level headed conservative and a Christian they can't see you. None of our forefathers or the Founding Fathers could get elected dog catcher in this country, not with this bunch of voters we have today.
      • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/23/2008, -3/+4What's really disgusting is the way Alan Keyes treated his daughter, Maya.
      • Salesti, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1No doubt he was dancing for joy, clapping his hands and chuckling wickedly.
        /s

        It appears to me that you have never had the courage of your convictions when it came to a really rough decision. Do you think Keyes has no right to hold to his standards? Do you merely assume that because he is obedient to God's standards and not YOURS, that he is "really disgusting"?
        I don't assume he was thrilled with having to uphold a certain code of conduct when it came to his daughter (who is an adult, by the way, and not an errant child).
        There are Islamic lunatics MURDERING their juvenile and adult daughters for being the VICTIMS of rape -- are you upset about what THOSE daddies do?
  • CC777, on 07/22/2008, -15/+27He can't really be the front runner. He's not even trying to pretend he likes America. G-d help us if he wins.
    • DesertDad, on 07/22/2008, -10/+14Be afraid,


      Be very afraid.
    • ROaks, on 07/22/2008, -4/+8CC777, DesertDad, I am not sold on the fact that he is the front runner. Only election day will tell the truth. I don't believe a word coming from the MSM. When they blatantly refuse to run a opinion piece from his opponent because they don't like what he had to say, I surely, don't believe what they laughingly call reporting on the election.
  • Taquoshi, on 07/22/2008, -15/+22This is the man that altered the American Presidential Shield,which caused a major outcry. Now, inquirying minds want to know whether the emblem on the tail of the plane is a letter or a number.
  • Cadmium77, on 07/22/2008, -16/+11Obama/McCain, two ugly stupid faces of the CFR...same crap, same stink.
  • DOGODSWILL, on 07/22/2008, -14/+18 The MUSLIMS have said they would destroy AMERICA on their own soil. AMERICANS ,of every race had better wake up to reality before they get a CHANGE that they can,t get changed back.
  • MrDuke77, on 07/22/2008, -14/+21What a pompous scumbag. And I thought we could never do worse than billy clintoon...I guess I was mistaken.
  • fwelch, on 07/22/2008, -14/+20Taking off the flag was bad but what is in his head
    is what really counts and can be very
    dangerous for ones health..............................
    • fwelch, on 07/22/2008, -1/+3I would like to reiterate the above comment on Obama. "Ones Health" meaning Americas health This is for any nut job that took it wrong.........

      Now please give me my 16 diggs back. LOL
  • Deanology, on 07/22/2008, -14/+16Is there really a surprise here? This coming from a man who feels no need to demonstrate American patriotism by wearing the traditional American flag pin on his lapel. A man who stood on an outside stage with Bill Richardson and Hillary Clinton with his hands clasped below his waist while the National Anthem was being sung. I personally believe if given the opportunity if elected President of the United States, he will have the flag that is painted on Air Force One replaced with the Obamanation flag. Whether you are believer or just a reader, does anyone ever sense a sort of "parallel" to the Beast as it is described in the Book of Revelations? I'm not saying that he is, but his ideology and evasive mannerisms scare the crap out of me.
  • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -21/+19"The aircraft also has required identification numbers and a U.S. flag to identify the nationality of the aircraft."

    So whats the issue? His flag isn't big enough for you? He has to wear his patriotism on his sleeve like the rest of you clowns? This is the lapel pin issue all over again and you WorldNutDaily folk are making a whole lot of something out of absolutely nothing again.

    Buried as inaccurate.
    • sammie1632, on 07/22/2008, -12/+14Yeah.....another WND fake story.
    • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/22/2008, -7/+10Well yeah, but, hey, I mean, Joe Farah needs lots of stories so he can advertise his man boob and belly fat antidote smack dab in the middle of them. Can Joe sink any lower? More than likely, yes.http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesme ...
      • linuxdad, on 07/22/2008, -8/+5Once again a typical rude, nasty air America type reply. The left has a hard time actually coming up with facts and good things to support their rookie senator. Look at what Pelosi said about Bush the other day. Its a shame that if O does win we will have an entire base of emotionally driven fools that do not play by reality.
      • viejoverde, on 07/22/2008, -6/+1another brain dead moron serf, when were you lobotomized?
      • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6Viejoverde, that's just a typically rude, nasty air America type reply.
      • kayala, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2Thoughtful, where do you think this jackass learns the ***** that he spits out at us?
      • Evilena, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3The way he complains about Air America types, he is most like repeating a rant from one of their competitors.

    • SydBloom, on 07/22/2008, -6/+6Obamanation has the wiccan vote..oh joy for him
      • farmerjohn48pan, on 07/22/2008, -6/+1Didn't some silly wiccan wannabe stab herself in the foot with a sword while "practicing her religion"? Maybe he will do the same.
      • anstice85, on 07/22/2008, -0/+6That was very Christian of you, farmer.
    • farmerjohn48pan, on 07/22/2008, -8/+5"He has to wear his patriotism on his sleeve like the rest of you clowns?"

      How nice to know that after serving my country faithfully and with great pride for twenty years including fighting a war I am now considered a clown by a more than likely overprivileged idiot that I am almost certain has never done anything for this country but complain about it.
      • kayala, on 07/23/2008, -3/+5Take offense if you like, but you should be able to have some pride outside your own national identity. Shrieking "I'M AMERICAN!" at every turn makes you a mindless nationalist, not a patriot. Even the word "patriot" has been soiled by nationalists who are too desperately attached to their Fixed News pundits to think for themselves.
    • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -5/+0Sorry, you have no idea what you are talking about.

      No requirement for an American Flag. Only serial.

      Do you have any experience in aviation or are you just making this up?

      I know liberals and democrats want you to vote without using your head but this is beyond silly.
      • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -1/+8I'm quoting the bloody article. Go read it again.
      • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/22/2008, -2/+7He can't; he's too busy reading the Koran again.
      • GlobalRoamer, on 09/05/2008, -0/+0Thoughful you have aviation experience.

        Did high school just let out or are just the uneducated morons out tonight?

        Show me one fact where I have written anything you can even remotely disagree with using FACTS!
  • Deanology, on 07/22/2008, -16/+18To Coven:

    Patriotism means a great deal to many Americans. It is the driving force of who we are. It is a reminder of our greatness and the sacrifices our fathers made to make this a great nation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being suspect when a man or a woman wants to be the head leader of this country and deliberately strays from tradition solely to apply own set of beliefs however contradictory they may be to our American traditions.

    You call us "clowns" in a feeble attempt to make yourself look intelligent, but in reality it makes you look very childish and foolish.

    Your "stage name" is representative of a group of witches, usually 13 in numbers. How proud you must be. Perhaps "Legion" would be a good replacement if you should ever tire of that one.
    • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -10/+13Good job showing yourself to be a fool. My "stage name" is anything but. Coven is my surname. Does that shoe leather taste good?

      What you describe is nationalism, not patriotism. Obama does not need to fall in line and goose step along with the politicians that came before him. He dispelled this "anti-american" nonsense during the whole lapel pin fiasco that you on the right spewed forth.
      • Deanology, on 07/22/2008, -12/+8Yeah right, and Barack Hussein Obama means anything but Muslim. You stand alone on this subject, and as far as eating leather, I would have to put on the persona of Hannibal Lecter to dig into your brain for a leather meal. You still fail to write anything of sensible or intelligent substance, so don't waste your time berating me and others on this topic with your cheap shot diatribes. You're simply out of your league here.
      • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -5/+11Ooo, defensive much? I must have struck a chord by calling you out on your ignorance. Your backpedaling is quite comical.

        Barack is rooted in Hebrew, by the way. Look up "baruch". It means "blessed".

        Enough substance for you?

        You have no argument so you must attack my person. Ad hominem, much?
      • b0gus2008, on 07/22/2008, -4/+8I don't believe Coven is out of his league here, Deanology. I think Coven suffers from an inner drive that forces him to try and inject sense into otherwise moronic conversations. For example, when I read the title attached to this digg, I said to myself "Uh oh! Another retarded article from WND. I better stand clear and let the retards verbally masturbate each other in their orgy of Republican talking points." But Coven, he stays and reads and responds. Through sheer strength of will, Coven is trying to crowbar sense into your minds - straight through the walls of hatred and fear.

        It is my opinion that you, Deanology, are out of your league, and I beg you to quit before further embarrassing yourself.

        PS b0gus2008 is my last name as well, so no jokes!
  • dragonfire417, on 07/22/2008, -15/+21To Coven and all of your cohorts, take a lesson from John Wayne:
    THERE is a fad that springs up now and then in America of considering it fashionable to deplore our flag as just a symbol. Well, that's absolutely right. It is a symbol. The only fault that I can find with the pseudointellectuals who therefore discount it is that they live by symbols and apparently aren't even aware of it.

    I would like to ask them a few questions. For example, why do they stop their cars when they see a red light at an intersection? It's just a symbol. The answer is obvious. The least unpleasant thing that could result from doing otherwise would be for a patrolman to give them a ticket. The God awful end result could be a screeching, tearing, rendering crash that might end with life ebbing cruelly from broken bodies. It's just a symbol, that red light, but it's wiser to pay attention to that symbol, now isn't it?

    A driver going down a steep mountain road might look up to see a sign posted with lines on it depicting a dangerous curve ahead. Does that driver slow to take that curve? You bet he does. He pays attention to that symbol because it could mean life or death to him if he doesn't.

    To go a step further, let's concentrate on a single dot called a period. It's always important but it can become explosive. If you should promise to pay a man $500 a week on a written contract and your secretary puts the dot in the wrong place, it could be disastrous for either party providing that they signed on the dotted line.

    Think then of the symbol we call "Old Glory." It came into being by an enactment of the fifteenth Congress in 1818. Rather than go into the purely physical aspects of our flag, I will try to point out what each segment of it means in heraldry and apply it to real life situations.

    Red is generally accepted to denote hardiness and valor. Washington's troops at Valley Forge surely lived up to that description just as surely as did Jedadiah Smith and Joseph Walker when they penetrated the vast mountain ranges of the West and so did the people who followed. Acts of great courage are heavily pronounced in the annals of America and they most certainly didn't always take place on the field of battle. Yet, because of the fact that World War II, the Korean War and the war in Vietnam are fresh in the minds of America, there is scarcely an American who somehow, somewhere, is not acquainted with a person who once again had proved American mettle under great stress.

    Remember the symbol. The red stripes on our flag represent all of America. They represent us from the dreadful winter at Valley Forge to the present and into the future. America, that is all of us, experts courage and valor from one another. It is a proud symbol and one that future generations will revere.

    The white stripes in actuality represent purity and innocence. Surely the symbolism of this isn't lost on us. Despite the very real problems created by our human natures, our massive goal has always been the pursuit of justice, equality and personal happiness. To this end the often ponderous wheels of American jurisprudence seek our every avenue of truth and the American people have often asked openly if the expenditures of millions of dollars to prosecute a test case is worth the money. Emphatically yes. The search is for all of us and since those white stripes are gazed upon by millions of Americans every day, let them remember that they symbolize our constant trust to guard truth and justice vigilantly. Truth and justice that seek to be a shield for every American to carry into his daily life. A symbol? Yes, but a powerful, moving force in the constant drive toward a better world.

    In the upper left-hand corner, there is a block of blue emblazoned with fifty white stars. Technically it is called the Union; it symbolized the union of two or more peoples, incorporating their ideas and districts. Let's look at it from its real standpoint and realize that each one of those stars represents millions of Americans and that somewhere in those millions is the name you answer to.

    No need to pick out a single star and say, "Hey, that's for me." Those stars represent all fifty states collectively and our founders did this with a stroke of genius. For our Union does unite two or more peoples or districts. It unites fifty districts and over two hundred million people. When you stand up and salute our flag or fly it from your home, your boat or your place of business, you are saying, "I'm grateful to be a member of that biggest Union of all, the United States of America." The color blue represents vigilance and perseverance and most certainly since revolutionary days we have epitomized those words.

    So in bundling it all together we have a symbol, a symbol that for two hundred years has signified honor, valor, justice, responsibility, perseverance, hardiness and commonweal. That symbol has been the banner that millions of Americans have marched and sailed and flown with int the maws of death. They have been proud of that symbol and in turn it has slowly and patiently nurtured their common good to the extent that America stands head and shoulders over most of the world.

    Yes, face the flag. It is most emphatically your flag. It has been at Iwo-jima, at the Maine, it has flown against the enemy in the Coral Sea and soared high in the sky above Nazi guns. Yet, it flies peacefully above every court house in the nation and stands quietly at Arlington. It is your flag, the symbol of unity, strength and honor toward you and toward your fellow Americans. Yes, face the flag, and to thank God it's still there.

    read others from the webpage: http://members.aol.com/cyberdenis/duke/jwa-07.htm
    • Deanology, on 07/22/2008, -11/+13Thank you. Most excellent reply. Unfortunately I doubt seriously that it will impact "coven" in any shape, way, or form. He (or she) is obviously void of any real principles or patriotism, yet criticizes and ridicules those of us who love this country and for what it stands for.
      • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -8/+12"He", thank you very much. A quick look at my profile would have told you that. You're right. I obviously have no principles or patriotism. I mean, calling WND out on its obvious lack of integrity must mean I'm in league with the terrorists, right?
      • Deanology, on 07/22/2008, -10/+9Oh look everyone, it's Coven again! How surprising is that?
        Try wearing pastels for once instead of that gothic drab.
      • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -7/+11Gothic drab? You mean my white shirt and tie as I wait for my work day to start? Very drab, indeed. I may spend my days in a cubicle, but that hardly makes me gothic.
      • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/22/2008, -9/+6I'm willing to bet Deanology is plagued by man boobs and belly fat, and he's a goth wannabe.http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesme ...
    • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -11/+10Very nice cut and paste job. Now, do you have anything original to say, or are you going to let others say it for you?
      • Deanology, on 07/22/2008, -10/+8Coven, you've painted yourself in a corner and exposed your true self. Your unwitty comebacks demonstrate your insecurity and failures. No doubt you are a lonely a lonely and desperate little individual seeking attention in any way you can get it. Quit drinking that same old brew you've been stirring.
      • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -6/+10Oh look, an unfounded personal attack! You're good at this.
      • eir574, on 07/22/2008, -3/+9@Deanology,

        You diminish the symbolism of the flag when you attack others for not displaying their patriotism in exactly the same manner as you do.
    • anstice85, on 07/22/2008, -2/+3I can't find that speech anywhere but the site that you linked to. Are you sure someone didn't just make it up and attribute it to John Wayne?
  • dlbfromLA, on 07/22/2008, -14/+15He needs room to place a picture of Allah on the side of his plane, because most of his political funding comes from the Mid- East!
  • ChaplainDoug, on 07/22/2008, -14/+14I tend to see world events through the lens of Scripture. How does the inexplicable "messianic" effect Obama has had on so many goats line up with end times prophecy? How does the meteoric rise of an obscure, unqualified god-hater like Obama happen unless it is empowered by forces greater than himself. God is always at the steering wheel, but we know that satan empowers his minions and will empower many in the final days. Obama may sport a "disarming" smile, but he has already shown his true heart: support for and the support of those who hate the unborn, support for and the support of those who practice perversion, support for and the support of those who hate the Lord Jesus Christ (muslims et al), and support for and the support of those who hate the godly heritage of America.

    Quite frankly, anyone who votes for Obama will likely join him in the lake of fire. There will be a time of celebrating short term, but such celebration will turn to weeping and gnashing of teeth. Anyone who calls himself "christian" and votes for McCain will give an account for his actions either at the great white throne judgment or the judgment seat of Christ. Never mind the so called "christian" leaders who tell us to choose the "lesser of two evils." Evil is evil and Christians should never be caught knowingly choosing evil.

    For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. (Mark 13:22)
    • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -8/+7"Quite frankly, anyone who votes for Obama will likely join him in the lake of fire."

      You mean I get to party with the likes of Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin and Cliff Burton? Hell yes I'm going!
      • ROaks, on 07/22/2008, -6/+6No, Coven, those that are condemned to hell will be there all alone. They will be there with all their little problems they had here. That is, what ever they held on to that kept them from seeing the truth and turning from their wicked ways will be their lot for eternity. The drug addict, alcoholic, sex fiends they will still have those desires and no way to satisfy them. They will not, even if it were to happen care about Hendrix, Cobain or any of them. They will know there is no escape, but at the same time they will know what could have been. If they had just listened to those that told them about God, Jesus and the way to salvation. No there will be no party in hell.
      • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -6/+8Wow. So you actually believe in that whole pit of fire nonsense.

        You know what happens when you die?

        Even if you gave yourself over to your lord and saviour JC.

        You rot.

        Well, first you void your bowels.

        Then you rot.
      • b0gus2008, on 07/22/2008, -4/+7ROaks, you're scaring me. Have you been to hell? And if so, how in everything good and holy did you escape?!?!

        No seriously, I need to know....may help me some day....just saying.
      • THEROD54, on 07/22/2008, -5/+3Saw a carton in the Sunday funnies. Mother Goose & Grim. A typical HELL scene Two guy sitting on a bench in front of a T.V. One guy sez " At least they let us have TV....all it has is TELEVANGELISTS.
    • THEROD54, on 07/22/2008, -7/+0Looks like we have an other Gob fly.
    • jesusis1, on 07/22/2008, -7/+5Chaplain Doug - I think that you have hit the nail right on the head. I'm glad that you referenced Mark 13. I just read the whole chapter, I believe that you are so right. Ever notice that the number 13 is considered to be bad luck, for whatever luck is. Just look what chapter of Mark Jesus talks about the end times.
    • twitchr, on 07/22/2008, -1/+3"I tend to see world events through the lens of Scripture. How does the inexplicable "messianic" effect Bush has had on so many goats line up with end times prophecy? How does the meteoric rise of an obscure, unqualified god-hater like Bush happen unless it is empowered by forces greater than himself. God is always at the steering wheel, but we know that satan empowers his minions and will empower many in the final days. Bush may sport a "disarming" smile, but he has already shown his true heart: support for and the support of those who hate Anyone that is not white, support for and the support of those who lie, support for and the support of those who hate muslims , and support for and the support of those who hate the US Constitution.

      Quite frankly, anyone who voted for Bush will likely join him in the lake of fire. There will be a time of celebrating short term, but such celebration will turn to weeping and gnashing of teeth. Anyone who calls himself "American" and votes for Obama will give an account for his actions either at the great white throne judgment or the judgment seat of Christ. Never mind the so called "christian" leaders who tell us to choose the "lesser of two evils." Evil is evil and Christians should never be caught knowingly choosing evil.

      For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. (Mark 13:22)"

      I fixed it for you. ;)
      • jesusis1, on 07/22/2008, -4/+0Go ahead, vote for Obama. I want to hear you cry when the muslims put a gun to your head when you declare Christ as your Lord and Savior.
      • twitchr, on 07/22/2008, -0/+5you're a delusional idiot. quit believing everything you read on WND. and by the way, I would NEVER declare christ as my lord and savior, gun to my head or not.
  • vpats, on 07/22/2008, -12/+13Hey America, this guy is sending you a message, wake the hell up!
    By the By, the O stands for Outrageous, Obscene, Off the wall, Over the top, Out to lunch and Over my dead body.
  • THEROD54, on 07/22/2008, -11/+14IT seems the older I get the more the "fads" come around. He won't wear the pin, he'll wear the pin , sing , not sing , hand over his heart, hand not over his heart. Up , down , back, forth, this guy is an enigma of self contradictions , anti good ,pro bad . I don't know what to expect from this guy. Maybe THE "O" is short for OH S**T. I mean his campaign stinks to HIGH HEAVEN, literally and figuratively.
    • DOGODSWILL, on 07/23/2008, -3/+1 Maybe this is an example of HIS--------(C H A N G E ) policy.
  • USNavyBlue, on 07/22/2008, -13/+10The "O" stands for Oxymoron. This shows the world his utter arrogance, inflated ego, his conceitedness A perfect recipe for a dictator in waiting.

    What's happened to the American spirit of independence, self-reliance and individual achievement?

    Marxist Barry Obama and other elitists push "community service" and "volunteerism" as something "we" should all aspire to do: selfless dedication for the "common good" - one of Hillary's favorites. These fanatics deliberately flog the American people with the same big lie that America is a democracy. A major goal for communist domination - besides eliminating God from the American landscape - is the destruction of the nuclear family. Americans spout "our democracy" without understanding how evil democracy is and should be rejected by anyone who cherishes freedom. America is a Republic, big difference.

    U.S. War Department, November 30,1928, setting forth exact and truthful definitions of a Democracy and of a Republic, explaining the difference between both. These definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government and must be accepted as authentic in any court of proper jurisdiction. These precise and scholarly definitions of a Democracy and a Republic were carefully considered as a proper guide for U.S. soldiers and U.S. citizens by the Chief of Staff of the United States Army.

    CITIZENSHIP Democracy:
    A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy

    CITIZENSHIP Republic:
    Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress. Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world. A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of

    (1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their government acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.
    Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

    Atwood. Superior to all others.--Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered. Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success. Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."

    • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/22/2008, -3/+4Where's the oxymoron?
    • wethepeople1, on 07/23/2008, -3/+1Amen bro........speaking of "selfless dedication to the common good", I wish more would respond to that psuedo-intellectual pap by stating the obvious: HAVE YOU SEEN MY TAX RATE LATELY, THANK US VERY MUCH !!!!!!!!! "
    • wethepeople1, on 07/23/2008, -3/+0Amen bro.......speaking of "selfless dedication to the common good"......I wish more of us would state the obvious: HAVE YOU SEEN MY TAX RATE LATELY ? THANK US VERY MUCH !!!!!!!!
    • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4I still can't find the oxymoron.
  • dragonfire417, on 07/22/2008, -11/+10For Coven:

    I spent 4 years in a liberal arts university and I am now a teacher. I had come from a family of democrats and knew nothing else at the time. I was taught to hate Republicans, Reagan, the military and anything patriotic. Patriotic people were looked down upon as a bunch of uneducated followers. Several years later, my family and I drove to Canada to see Niagara Falls. This was the first time I had left the United States. (Teachers do not make enough money to travel abroad and raise a family properly.) I have nothing against Canada, but all of the signs with crowns and the queen on the coins… it made me appreciate our symbol of the bald eagle – it wears no crown. I have to say, I came home to the United States with a new understanding of patriotism. I live in the United States and I am proud to be a citizen of this great country. I decided at that moment that I would never again hide my patriotism. I came home and played Lee Greenwood’s Proud to be an American, and decided that there is nothing wrong with being a proud American. We are hard working people and we do care about others. (I have written a short paper about capitalism, if you wish to see it, let me know.)

    When the events of 9-11-01 took place in New York, I saw a mass demonstration of American pride and people pulling together. (This happens naturally at a time of tragedy. Think of families you have known who have had tragic events in their lives. Many of them become closer.) This pulling together and displaying national pride is natural, healthy and by all means necessary. If we do not pull together, we will fall apart, just like those families who do break up after tragedy.

    Do you love the United States of America? It may not be perfect, but it is the best place on Earth to live in my opinion. Just like in a broken families, the members that do not want the family name anymore leave. They don’t tell their families to throw away their customs and heritage and follow a new lifestyle in the current family home. They find someplace else to start their lives.

    If the United States is to survive, we need to know our history, appreciate the sacrifices of our military, past and present, and elect LEADERS, who will lead us with nationalistic pride, a desire to fix what is broken and the ability to know what to preserve. (We don’t need motivational rock stars, who want to lead this country on personal “feel good” missions. We don’t need leaders who hold raffles for their constituency to be able to talk to them.)

    If you are a United States citizen, be thankful and proud.

    If you don’t like it here, go someplace else. There is nothing more irritating than a bunch of whiners saying they don’t like a place, but stay there anyway and complain. If you don’t like the store, the restaurant, the neighborhood, the country, do something about it, leave and find like-minded people to be around.

    Our flag is our symbol of patriotic pride. Everyone in our country should display it with pride and respect, especially our leaders. If a person is ashamed of our flag, he doesn’t respect what it stands for, and possibly wishes to CHANGE what it stands for.

    Well, this here is one United States American who will not stand silently and let anyone CHANGE what my country is about.

    I am and will always be a proud United States American. God Bless America!

    Sometimes, Coven, a song, a poem or a speech really hits home, and is okay to share with others. But, in case you really needed to know, I do think on my own and speak my own patriotic words as well.

    • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -3/+8Now you're getting it!

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with patriotism, pride in your country. There is nothing wrong with loving your country. There is also nothing wrong with having issues with the direction this great nation is being taken. Unprovoked wars of aggression. Ignorance in the sciences. Destruction of the middle class. The list goes on. I love my country greatly, but I hate what the current government in power is doing to her. THAT is patriotism. Seeing tyranny and knowing when to say "Enough!".

      You say you want nationalistic leaders. I say you have to be careful what you wish for. Nationalism is taking patriotism too far. It is saying "Us and ONLY us! ***** everybody else!". Nationalism is a dangerous tool that has been wielded in the past by this worlds' most evil men.

      Not displaying the flag and being ashamed of said flag are two completely different things. I don't fly the flag outside my home, I don't wear a lapel pin, i don't have a little plastic flag flying on my car. I DO stand up and remove my hat out of pride and respect during the Star Spangled Banner. I DO recite my Pledge of Allegiance, even though I may skip the "under god" part. I gladly pay my fair share in taxes every year, and every single year I make my way to the public school a few blocks away and cast my ballot for whichever politician I see most fit to lead me and my community.

      We all show our patriotism in our own ways. Some choose to flaunt it, as though it needs to be thrown in the world's face. I choose otherwise.

      Thank you for actually sitting down and taking the time to give us your own words.
      • newinnewark, on 07/22/2008, -7/+2You are such a ***** idiot.
      • dragonfire417, on 07/22/2008, -4/+4First, your idealistic, youthful, arrogant tone is coming through your posts, which can often turn people away before they actually read what you say. You would do better to appear less self-righteous and condescending.

        Second:
        Unprovoked??? Every day, EVERY day, the United States receives threats from many places around the globe. We must defend ourselves. We cannot defend ourselves if we disarm our citizens and military. We must stand together and protect what we have.

        Third: "Not displaying the flag and being ashamed of said flag are two completely different things." - i respectfully disagree.

        Remember High School or College, did you wear your school's colors? Why? School Pride? I often see the school who just won a big game displaying school colors. The losing team has many fewer people wearing their colors. Why? Same with professional sports. People wear team colors when they are proud of a team. (or country)

        Did you agree with everything your school did? Who was chosen as class president? Did (s)he refuse to wear the school colors and say that her/his school spirit is on the inside? Who was the football team captain? Why was he chosen to lead?

        Next: "Ignorance in the sciences." You may have won this one, we have to claim Al Gore.

        Finally: Why am I not surprised that you skip the "under God," part of the pledge. No humility for Coven I guess.
      • anstice85, on 07/22/2008, -3/+7Telling someone that they'd do better by being less self righteous and condescending is, in itself, self righteous and condescending, and thus hypocritical. Nice one dragonfire.
      • dragonfire417, on 07/22/2008, -4/+3Anstice85, I did not say that he was self-righteous and condescending, but that the tone of his writing is such, and that his argument would be more effective if it sounded more reasonable and respectful. As a teacher, I tend to evaluate as I read, and offer advice for improving presentation.
      • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -4/+8I come off as condescending, self-righteous and arrogant because I have to respond to the condescending, self-righteous and arrogant posts of you and your kin in the religious right. If you can't stand the heat...

        Unprovoked, yes. Iraq was no threat to the United States. To claim otherwise shows severe lack of comprehension in foreign affairs. Nobody is calling for the disarmament of our military. Obama wants to continue the fight in Afghanistan! How the hell does that equate to disarming our military. Second amendment issues aside (one of the few points I disagree with Obama on, but the SCOTUS fixed that problem nicely), Obama is my candidate of choice to lead our military.

        I do remember high school. I do remember wearing our colors and cheering on our teams. I also remember it not being thrown in my face when I didn't. Sad, high school kids had more common sense than your day to day nationalistic "patriot".

        Ignorance in the sciences: Discovery Institute. The religious right wins this one hands down.

        I skip "under god" because I have no belief in a deity. I can be humble yet retain no religious leanings.

      • eir574, on 07/22/2008, -1/+8"Remember High School or College, did you wear your school's colors? Why? School Pride?"

        I had great pride in my school back when I was in high school and college, and I still do. I went to a public high school that's ranked as one of the best in the country. Though my college was small and relatively unknown, friends of mine who went to Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc., are jealous of the education I received there. Both schools set me up to succeed in life, and I donate to them every year (despite the fact that I'm still paying for my college education) because I want so very much for people I'll never meet to have the same opportunities I've had. That's in part an expression of pride.

        But, I never put much thought into wearing school colors. That doesn't mean that I felt that pride any less strongly than those who did. Why do you believe that one's pride in an institution must be worn on one's sleeve? It's a serious question and I don't mean it at all condescendingly or sarcastically. I think this is one of those issues that introduces divisions into our country. Patriotism means different things to different people and is exhibited in different ways. Why would you want to make enemies out of people who at least share that underlying patriotism with you? If nothing else, it's common ground that people on multiple sides of a political issue often have. Unfortunately, it's often the first thing that gets attacked, and then suddenly we're talking about meaningless things instead of actual issues, and we're worse off for it, perhaps by a great margin.
      • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -2/+5Ah, yes...I forgot about the alumni association at my *public* college (ooo, that liberal indoctrination center!). They call me once a year. Once a year I give them 20 bucks. Its not a whole lot, and I generally specify that it should go to the one scholarship (Edith Wilke Memorial Scholarship) I received when I was a student, but I help wherever I can. Once I pay off my loans I'll up my donation significantly. Should I ever strike it rich, I hope they'll name a wing of their performing arts building for me after my whopper of a donation goes through :) If not a wing, then maybe a dorm, so college kids can get it on inside my namesake for decades to come!
  • picciano, on 07/22/2008, -3/+5Here are a few more pictures of the plane, before and after.

    http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regse ...
  • downs1, on 07/22/2008, -10/+7Coven, from your comments it sounds like you're kind of an undiscerning person. You also are a person who has the ability to easily anger people by your rhetoric. But you also live in a country that protects your right to be just who you are. Others of us are outraged by Obama's very liberal anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-military, anti-Bush/McCain attitudes. His presentation of himself to the world with his own "logo" instead of the American flag is regretable. Is he or is he not a candidate for the presidency of the United States of America? He is arrogant, glib, foolish and obviously power hungry. He is certainly not the "Messiah" some claim him to be. If anything, he is satanic. There is a greater force behind him than meets the eye, but it is certainly not from God. Incidentally, "Coven" sounds a lot like a Wiccan word.
    • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -3/+9I've already stated previously, Coven is my surname.

      I've also stated previously, that shoe leather probably doesn't taste all that good. Can you fill me in on it?

      If you are going to invoke your god in an argument, you better be arguing with somebody who believes in said god. Otherwise your argument does not tread water very well.

      Claiming that Obama is "anti" a bunch of stuff actually doesn't help you much either. Him being anti-Bush/McCain attitudes is a GOOD thing. You can't prove that he is anti-American, especially since his political activities say very much otherwise. You can't call him anti-Christian as he's been a church-goer for at least the past 20 years. Him being a Christian is actually a down point for me. I prefer my politicians to have completely clear minds, unclouded by fairy tales. "Anti-family" is baseless. Are you implying that his stance on a woman's reproductive choice equates to somehow wanting nobody to have families anymore? I don't see him trying to outlaw procreation. Anti-military is a laugh, as he is very much pro-military action. He just knows where the right front is in this so called 'War on Terror'. Bush had the right idea too prior to 2003. Get out of Iraq, get some more troops back into Afghanistan and finish the job there. Even the Iraqis are fed up with out presence there and want us out!
      Let me ask you this: If he is so anti-american, why are the colors of his logo...get this...RED WHITE AND BLUE.
    • DuggDowner, on 07/22/2008, -3/+7The only people who compare Obama and the Messiah are rightwing nutjobs like you downsyndrome.
    • trogdoor, on 07/23/2008, -1/+7I like how you criticize Obama for being anti-McCain AND being "anti-family".
      Because McCain is such a good example with the divorce and all.

      It seems most McCain supporters have backed away from the whole "Family Values" shtick that Republicans usually rally behind because they realize how hypocritical it would be, you should follow their example.
  • SydBloom, on 07/22/2008, -12/+10The obamanation is the next Robert Mugabe. If you like what he did with his nation you'll love the obamanation.
    • anstice85, on 07/22/2008, -4/+10That's quite a claim. Mind explaining it?
    • kayala, on 07/23/2008, -3/+7Oh really? How many presidential elections has Obama stolen already? How many supporters of the opposition has Obama had kidnapped, tortured and killed? ***** idiot, if you're not gonna run your brain, don't run your mouth.
    • alkajazz, on 07/23/2008, -3/+7Damn, when a politician runs for office and he supports gun control, abortion and a few social services to improve our society the fundamentalists act like the second coming is right around the corner.
      • kayala, on 07/23/2008, -2/+7They always act like the second coming is right around the corner :)
      • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4Jesus is coming! Look busy...
    • SydBloom, on 07/23/2008, -4/+1I see the Obamamatons are already lighting the burning tires for anyone who thinks a zero experience, ultra-leftist stalinist liberal with connections through the Chicago mob world backed by corrupt unionist thugs is a bad idea for the future of this nation.

      Mugabe is EXACTLY the model these little despot come from nowhere image machines turn into. Especially with the voting record of the single most far left senator in US history as the darling of every moonbat crackpot liberal and thug in America.
      • kayala, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4That seemed more like an exercise in getting as many stupid slurs into a post at once. Michael Savage, is that you? (By the way, you can compare Obama to Mugabe when he murders McCain's family to intimidate him out of the race. ***** idiot.)
  • Deanology, on 07/22/2008, -10/+9The best way to deal with this pitiful excuse of a wanna be orator by the surname of "Coven" is to simply ignore him hence forth. His game is to taunt contributors to this digg by rock throwing and name calling. There is no credible substance to anything he is voicing. A simpleton who lives to get in the last word, yet has no ability whatsoever to engage in civil dialogue. So, if we say nothing more to the brew meister, he'll just dry up and blow away. More than likely he'll go back to KOS where he came from in the first place, or possibly return to the other 12 to practice their craft. Either way, he no longer exists as far as I'm concerned.

    • Coven, on 07/22/2008, -1/+7You keep at it with this nonsense "witches coven" thing. Here's the truth behind my surname. I come from a Jewish background. When my great-grandparents came to this country, my father's paternal grandfather was given the surname "Cohen" because when the immigration officials at Ellis Island asked who he was, he said "I am a Kohen" (a priest in judaism). Whether he truly was a Kohen, I'm not sure. So the immigration officials did what they did with all of the Kohens that came through their port. They put him down as "Cohen". My grandparents, tired of being lumped in with the rest of the Cohens in New York City, opted to change their last name to Coven, just to be different from the rest.

      The more you know...
    • pseudosoma, on 07/22/2008, -1/+8Coven,

      I have been reading this whole back-and-forth and it seems you are the only one making sense. Thank you.
  • Orwell007, on 07/22/2008, -9/+10The Big Zero painted on the plane is Obama's self-tribute to his talents to fool his ignorant and uninformed followers. The Big Zero actually represents the IQ of his supporters and also indicates his experience. Obama had the Big Zero painted on the plane to demonstrate to the world that even though he has no redeeming qualities to be the American president, his followers will vote for him anyway. The very fact that none of his supporters have figured out the meaning of the Big Zero is testament to his arrogant and narcissistic image of himself and the intellectual level of his blind followers.

    Just mention getting something free and the Rabid-Left would elect Stalin or his equivalent. It is time to require an IQ test and basic civics test for all voters.

  • anstice85, on 07/22/2008, -7/+10There are occasionally some stories from WND that are so ridiculous as to be hilarious. This is one of them. WND is a joke.
    • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/22/2008, -0/+7Yeah, but the products they advertise are fabulous.
    • viejoverde, on 07/22/2008, -8/+1you better go back to your daily kos for your daily brain washing.
    • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/23/2008, -0/+6What's daily kos?
    • alkajazz, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4Wait? Apparently you've had your WND koolaid for today, be gone.
    • jesusis1, on 07/24/2008, -1/+0If WND is so laughable, then why do you read it. Are you afraid of the truth?
  • nutz2u2, on 07/22/2008, -9/+8I'm trying to tell anyone who will listen or at least who cares: These Obamas are not on our side. They may not even consider themselves Americans. If these people are installed in the ____ house (or whatever they will call it), it will spell big trouble for us ahead.
  • Orwell007, on 07/22/2008, -10/+7nutzu2, These people are not Americans. If you visit their Propaganda Pits, Progressive.Org, Daily Kos, Huffing ton Posts, etc, you will see that these people are hard-line Marxists and many are self-described Communists. They hate America, it's values and it's principles. They also hate Israel and they side with the Islamofascists. They have nothing but contempt for our Constitution and our Founding Fathers.

    They have sufficiently used our public education to indoctrinate enough people who are incapable of discerning fact from fiction, right from wrong. If you have doubts, just look at the comments from the Left, they imply that you have no speech rights and they have no qualms about displaying their blatant HYPOCRISY. They also have no shame, no sense of history or ethical standards. It is all about winning , whatever the cost.
    • anstice85, on 07/22/2008, -1/+6Unless you're being sarcastic, you sound really paranoid. I'm a Democrat and I don't go to progressive.org, Daily Kos, or the Huffington Post. I'm not a hard-line Marxist or a self-described Communist. I don't hate America, its values or its principles. I don't hate Israel or side with the Islamofascists. I do not have nothing but contempt for our Constitution and founding fathers. I have indoctrinated no one, do not imply that anyone has no speech rights (what?) and do not display my supposed blatant hypocrisy. I have a sense of history and ethical standards, and I'm not sure why I should have shame. So before stereotyping, which is what you just did, please realize that the left is not full of monsters like you incorrectly claim.
      • Orwell007, on 07/22/2008, -5/+3Perhaps you owe yourself the time and opportunity to educate yourself of the positions that the people who control your party have staked out. You might also want to check the The Communist Party, USA website and see for yourself where your party differs from the agenda of the Communist Party.

        http://www.cpusa.org/article/view/758

        Role of the Communist Party
        http://www.cpusa.org/article/view/758#7

        You might also want to explore the history of George Soros, the self proclaimed socialist, who is the sole owner of the democrat party.

        If you can show where I have overstated anything, I am certainly open to modify my opinion.
      • viejoverde, on 07/22/2008, -5/+1The democrat party has evolved into the socialist party U.S.A. if you are not capable of realizing that then you are either the product of our universities or an idiot that can't tell right from wrong.
        If you were a real liberal you would have switched to the republican party which is what the democrats used to be 40 years ago.
      • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/23/2008, -0/+6In 1968? Are you serious? Somehow I don't see Eugene McCarthy, Robert Kennedy or Hubert Humphrey as being at all similar to today's Republicans. You must not be viejo enough to remember the wild Dem. convention in Chicago with that memorably rousing speech by Abraham Ribicoff. Seems maybe there's a few gaps in your own education VV.
  • notbysight, on 07/22/2008, -8/+7TO MR OBAMA..
    Stop patronizing, denegrating, and condescendingly insulting me , I am not a helpless victim and you are not my savior. I resent your smiling enthusiasm and wasted effort on "ensuring" my slice of the American Pie, let me just pursue my failures, my victories my failings and successes,-my way. I dont want to be billed for more "pursuit of happiness" schemes..or pay into for more "assured outcome" programs or wasted money for armies of youth trying to be helpful...its unnecessary ungodly and unconstitutional.
    My father taught me to stand on my own two feet, be responsible for my actions..even if they hurt my self-esteem and my finances and socially set me back, just quietly and patiently endure, persevere and try again...he taught me to blame no one for my failures, he said life would be a struggle and that they are life lessons from God to make me a more humble and stronger man and family leader, he told me I dont need to keep up with the Joneses...he taught me to mind my own business and not push myself on others. He told me I will be given the opportunity to help others without pandering for attention and beaming with self-righteousness and not to feel guilty for poor people or go out of my way to meddle in their lives...they always make do, and most if them enjoy life on their own level just as we did on our lower middle class level, rich or poor..respect everyone the same way, treat my neighbor as I would want to be treated.....my father taught me to work hard for what i want, longer hours, 2 jobs and be thrifty, and don.t go looking for handouts because those handouts cost somebody somewhere, hard- earned money. He taught me to trust in the Lord and He will meet my daily needs....not necessarily my wants. He taught to respect the flag, respect the fallen, serve in the military, help Americas allies and hate Americas enemies, don't lie, don't cheat and don't steal and read, study and understand rightly Gods Word.
    Mr Obama, you don't resemble my father.

  • dm2121, on 07/22/2008, -9/+5Someone needs to ask Obama if he's elected into office, will he take the oath with his hand over the Judeo-Christian bible or the Ko-ran?
    • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -0/+9Considering he took his oath on the bible when he was sworn in for the Senate, I'd have to go with that.
    • ThoughtfulWi, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2Do you know if it was the Judeo-Christian one?
  • dragonfire417, on 07/22/2008, -8/+31. “I have to respond to the condescending, self-righteous and arrogant posts of you”

    --I speak my mind in a respectful manner, thank you very much.

    2. Here is a quote from BO about Afghanistan:

    “We are playing to Osama's plan for winning a war from a cave.” (Oct 2006

    Here are some quotes from BO about protecting our country:

    Pursue goal of a world without nuclear weapons. (Feb 2008)

    Rebuild a nuclear nonproliferation strategy. (Jan 2008)

    2006: Obama-Lugar bill restricted conventional weapons. (Oct 2007)

    2005: Passed bill to reduce conventional weapon stockpiles. (Aug 2007

    If attacked, first help victims then prevent further attacks. (Oct 2007)

    Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)

    FactCheck: Yes, Obama said invade Pakistan to get al Qaeda. (Aug 2007)

    Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 20

    Okay, this is the leader you want to vote in…. When put in a difficult situation he doesn’t see solutions:

    Open-ended Iraq occupation must end: no military solution. (Apr 2007)
    Not too optimistic either:

    No good options in Iraq--just bad options & worse options. (Aug 2007

    These are not words of a true Leader.


    3. “Iraq was no threat to the United States”

    Read this:

    “ Iraq was a honey pot for arms sellers. It attracted governments, corporations, consultants and fixers. Their greed and Saddam Hussein's ability to lavish petrodollars on advanced weapons were a perfect match.
    One hundred-ten German corporations sold materials and equipment for the production of weapons of mass destruction to Iraq, according to the Republican staff of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. British, Austrian, American and French corporations also figure prominently on the same list.
    Hewlett-Packard, Honeywell, and Hughes Helicopters were among the American companies.
    German companies helped Iraq develop its own chemical weapons industry. Iraq and Iran used poison gas against each other during their eight-year war. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff found evidence that Saddam Hussein used poison gas against Iraqi Kurds in 1988. Iranian TV filmed the aftermath.
    Three years later, when Iraq was defeated in Desert Storm, the United Nations ordered the destruction of Iraqi chemical and nuclear weapons programs. In March 1993, the UN announced the elimination of 70 tons of Iraqi nerve gas and reported that the burning of 400 tons of mustard gas was progressing steadily.
    The Iraqis began developing a nuclear weapons program in the 1970s. The Israelis bombed an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981. In the following years, the Iraqis became more secretive about their nuclear weapons program. American planes attacked Iraqi nuclear weapons facilities during Desert Storm.
    After Desert Storm, special UN teams destroyed some of Iraq's nuclear weapons facilities under the terms of the cease-fire. But information about Iraq's foreign supply network has been hard to obtain from either Iraq or Western governments.
    It was not only weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein bought from suppliers around the globe. To equip the fourth largest armed force in the world, the Iraqi leader bought conventional weapons of all kinds.
    He bought $20 billion worth of French arms, and went to suppliers as far away as China and Brazil.
    As the Iran-Iraq war dragged on and money became scarcer...

    Read entire transcript at: http://www.cdi.org/adm/Transcripts/633/


    4. “I do remember high school. I do remember wearing our colors and cheering on our teams…..”

    Great, the point I was making was that people wear team colors when they are proud of a team.
    It was made in response to your statement: “Not displaying the flag and being ashamed of said flag are two completely different things.”
    The point is that when teams are victorious, people swell with pride and show their colors, but when a team loses, fewer people wear their colors.
    There is nothing wrong with competition and cheering for your side. It’s hardly “in your face” to wear a flag pin. Every country celebrates their flag and national pride at the Olympics.

    5. We all have religious freedom, believe as you will. I choose to believe there is a God.


    • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4"--I speak my mind in a respectful manner, thank you very much."

      Fine then, "your kin on the religious right" still stands.

      “We are playing to Osama's plan for winning a war from a cave.” (Oct 2006

      So, he can't criticize the administration's handling of the Afghanistan war? Without further context that is what that quote comes off as.

      "Pursue goal of a world without nuclear weapons. (Feb 2008)"

      The problem with this is...?

      "Rebuild a nuclear nonproliferation strategy. (Jan 2008)"

      Again...world without nuclear weapons. I see no issue with this. Nukes have no use in society, except to destroy it.

      "Obama-Lugar bill restricted conventional weapons. (Oct 2007)"

      ...in the former Soviet Union. Time to be honest about the quotes you are posting.

      "2005: Passed bill to reduce conventional weapon stockpiles. (Aug 2007"

      Cite this bill please.

      "If attacked, first help victims then prevent further attacks. (Oct 2007)"

      Wouldn't it be the logical step to take care of your own first, then go whoop some ass? Isn't that what we did after 9/11? We immediately got to work rescuing who we could, then we rained hellfire down upon the Taliban.

      "Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)"

      Works for me. As I said, Iraq posed no threat to the United States. The war was unfounded and unprovoked.

      "FactCheck: Yes, Obama said invade Pakistan to get al Qaeda. (Aug 2007)"

      And I absolutely agree. We never should have drawn down our forces there.

      "Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 20"

      Which bill was this? Please cite the date this vote took place.


      "Open-ended Iraq occupation must end: no military solution. (Apr 2007)
      Not too optimistic either:

      No good options in Iraq--just bad options & worse options. (Aug 2007"

      He's right on both counts. This was a diplomatic problem from the start. Once we sent troops in it only made things worse.

      3. “Iraq was no threat to the United States”

      "Read this:"

      Read it. That doesn't refute my point that Iraq had no capability to attack the United States. They were not a threat. They did not attack us.



      "Great, the point I was making was that people wear team colors when they are proud of a team.
      It was made in response to your statement: “Not displaying the flag and being ashamed of said flag are two completely different things.”
      The point is that when teams are victorious, people swell with pride and show their colors, but when a team loses, fewer people wear their colors.
      There is nothing wrong with competition and cheering for your side. It’s hardly “in your face” to wear a flag pin. Every country celebrates their flag and national pride at the Olympics."

      It IS in your face when people claim you lack patriotism for NOT wearing your flag on your sleeve.

      "We all have religious freedom, believe as you will. I choose to believe there is a God. "

      Agreed. Believe as you will.
      • dragonfire417, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1It has been a pleasure to debate with you. The following are my final comments on the issues. You may have the last words.
        1. [Fine then, "your kin on the religious right" still stands.]
        Stereotypical, not logical, and in many cases untrue.

        2. citations came from www.ontheissues.org

        Regarding Afghanistan, you stated that “Obama wants to continue the fight in Afghanistan!” and I just quoted him saying “We are playing to Osama's plan for winning a war from a cave.” (Oct 2006) Ok for his plan, but not for the current administration.

        --------------

        "Pursue goal of a world without nuclear weapons. (Feb 2008)"

        The problem with this is...? I have a gun, you do not. I want what you have so I tell you to give it to me. You say no, I shoot you. You hand over what you have, I win, and you have nothing.

        Pursue a goal of a city without guns. Hmmm…. Chicago. Okay the criminals and those who want power will not give up their weapons.

        Other countries promise to give up their nuclear weapons, we give up ours…. Then, when we have no nuclear deterrent, the mushroom cloud appears. That, my friend, is the problem I have with giving up our nuclear weapons.

        “Nukes have no use in society.” Unfortunately, they are here, and they are a deterrent.

        ---------------

        http://obama.senate.gov/press/070628-obama_lugar_s ...

        The Lugar-Obama initiative is modeled after the Nunn-Lugar program that focuses on weapons of mass destruction in the former Soviet Union.

        WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Richard Lugar (R-IN) today announced that the Senate Appropriations Committee accepted their request to provide funding to implement the Lugar-Obama nonproliferation initiative. The Appropriations Committee expressed support for the initiative and provided $48 million for Lugar-Obama, $36 million for programs to destroy heavy conventional weapons, $10 million for efforts to intercept weapons and materials of mass destruction, and $2 million for rapid response to proliferation detection and interdiction emergencies. This is the culmination of an 18 month effort to authorize and fund the Lugar-Obama initiative.
        ------------
        2005: Passed bill to reduce conventional weapon stockpiles:
        First introduced in November 2005 and enacted in 2007, the Lugar-Obama initiative enhances U.S. efforts to destroy conventional weapons stockpiles and to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction throughout the world.
        http://obama.senate.gov/press/070628-obama_lugar_s ...
        ----------
        **Both need to occur simultaneously. The leader needs to work on stopping future attacks from the moment we are attacked. We the people will rescue.

        "If attacked, first help victims then prevent further attacks. (Oct 2007)"

        Wouldn't it be the logical step to take care of your own first, then go whoop some ass? Isn't that what we did after 9/11? We immediately got to work rescuing who we could, then we rained hellfire down upon the Taliban.
        --------

        idealistic – not based on facts. Quitting and walking away will create a dangerous situation, and I think BO knows this now and has modified his position.

        ["Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)"
        Works for me. As I said, Iraq posed no threat to the United States. The war was unfounded and unprovoked]

        -------
        http://www.issues2000.org/2008/Barack_Obama_War_+_ ...

        Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007.
        Voting YEA on this amendment would establish a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. Voting NAY would keep the current situation without a timetable. The amendment states:
        The President shall redeploy, commencing in 2006, US forces from Iraq by July 1, 2007, leaving only the minimal number of forces that are critical to completing the mission of standing up Iraqi security forces and conducting specialized counterterrorism operations.
        The President should maintain an over-the-horizon troop presence to prosecute the war on terror and protect regional security interests.
        Within 30 days, the administration shall submit to Congress a report that sets forth the strategy for the redeployment of US forces from Iraq by July 1, 2007.
        Opponents of the Resolution say:
        This amendment would withdraw American forces from Iraq without regard to the real conditions on the ground.
        The consequences of an American retreat would be terrible for the security of the American people at home.
        Our commitment is not open-ended. It is conditional on the Iraqis moving toward self-government and self-defense.
        Supporters of the Resolution say:
        Congress talks almost incessantly about the situation in Iraq as if on 9/11 the situation involved Iraq. Of course, it didn't. We were attacked by al-Qaida operating out of Afghanistan on 9/11.
        One of the theories we hear is that somehow staying in Iraq is necessary because all the terrorists will come into Iraq, and then they wouldn't be able to attack us anywhere else. Some call this the roach-motel theory. The fact is, al-Qaida is operating in 60 to 80 countries. Yet our resources are only heavily focused on this Iraq situation.
        In terms of differences from other Iraq amendments: This is binding, not just a sense of the Senate.
        Secondly, we have a date; other amendments are open-ended.
        Thirdly, this has an over-the-horizon force specifically to protect our security interests.
        Reference: Kerry Amendment to National Defense Authorization Act; Bill S.Amdt. 4442 to S. 2766 ; vote number 2006-181 on Jun 22, 2006


        3. That doesn't refute my point that Iraq had no capability to attack the United States. They were not a threat. They did not attack us.

        No one really knows for sure, as he was able to send weapons to Syria. Saddam tried for years to bring down our country, he also gassed his own people (kurds) and tried to take over Kuwait. There are physical and economic threats here.

        4. [It IS in your face when people claim you lack patriotism for NOT wearing your flag on your sleeve.] - I respectfully disagree, I am simply stating that when people fail to demonstrate patriotism, by colors or a flag, they are revealing a dissatisfaction or disapproval. Maybe not in all cases, but in leadership, such as candidates for political offices, it is a statement.


      • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3In many cases, untrue, but as you can see in many posts above, it applies. Some of the most hateful diatribes I have ever read are uttered by the readers of WND posting right here on digg.

        Can we both agree that the current administration has bungled the handling of Afghanistan badly and a new direction needs to be taken? Obama's criticism shows that he knows exactly what needs to be done to resolve the issue there.

        Re: nuclear weapons. Yes it is idealistic and I highly doubt that this world will ever be rid of Oppenheimer's folly, but the best we can do is continue non-proliferation and maintain a policy of peaceful uses of nuclear technology. The fewer nuclear weapons on this world the better.

        I agree on the stance that Obama is wrong about gun ownership. As I said previously, the SCOTUS solved the 2nd amendment issue sufficiently, so I don't see his stance as an issue to worry about.

        Lugar-Obama is not about disarming the United States. From the link you posted:
        “Materials of Mass Destruction.---The Committee supports sections 10-12 of Public Law 109-472 which strengthens U.S. efforts to interdict illicit shipments of weapons or materials of mass destruction and secure vulnerable stockpiles of conventional weapons. The Committee provides $48,059,000 to implement these programs, of which $10,000,000 is under Export Control and Related Border Security Assistance, $36,059,000 is under the Small Arms and Light Weapons Destruction program, and $2,000,000 is under the Nonproliferation and Disarmament Fund.”

        This quote speaks about a black market in illegal weapons, not taking weapons out of the hands of our soldiers.

        As for Iraq, what has been said in the past about redeployment is now irrelevant as the Iraqi government is calling for a timeline and withdrawal of coalition forces. It is no longer a matter for our government to decide. Iraq is a sovereign nation and has the right to tell foreign forces to get off their land.

        Re: The 'threat' posed by Iraq. Saddam had no capability to direct an attack on US soil. the best he could do was lob scuds at Israel, who have proven time and time again that they are not a force to be reckoned with. Kuwait was a unique situation. The United Nations rightfully responded to Saddam's aggression by ejecting him from Kuwait. Bush Sr.'s administration was wise enough to end it at the Iraqi border, leaving Saddam practically defenseless. We controlled the skies over much of his country for the following decade. UN inspectors were on the ground regularly and Saddam was well into the process of destroying whatever aging stockpile he had left (most of which was supplied by the US in the 1980s) when the decision was made to invade. Most recently, the main economic threat Iraq posed was the decision to move towards selling oil in Euros, which Iran has been threatening to do as well.

        I respectfully disagree with your final point. Why do I need to wear colors or display a flag to demonstrate my patriotism? If that is the method by which patriotism is measured, I can be the most patriotic person on the planet by flying hundreds of flags outside my home. Obama, in my eyes, has demonstrated his patriotism via his legislation. He has worked to make our country a better place for all citizens. Of course, this is my personal opinion and you have every right to feel differently about the legislation he has sponsored. The way I see it, putting the American people first is above and beyond any superficial display of patriotism involved with waving a flag or wearing a painted piece of metal.

        It is rare that I enjoy a debate with a WND reader. Have a pleasant night.
  • viejoverde, on 07/22/2008, -7/+5The american flag is to this communist what a cross is to a vampire. He can't wait to tear down our capitalist system brick by brick, which shouldn't be so hard considering the indoctrination new graduates get from the government schools and then the colleges.
  • wethepeople1, on 07/23/2008, -6/+4This guy is SO RADICALLY SOCIALIST / AUTHORITARIAN that his logic & reason have been eclipsed.......what if he fly's over enemy territory without USA markings visible on the plane ?
    • Teribssn, on 07/23/2008, -4/+2Hopefully he'll get shot down. I won't miss him!
  • yellowcakewalk, on 07/23/2008, -6/+5Obama is just the obedient tool of corporations and AIPAC. He hates our Bill of Rights almost as much as Bush does, check out that FISA vote.
  • sullly, on 07/23/2008, -6/+2I know that this"O" thing will lead to the masses dumping Obama for Senator McCain. He's got it in the bag now! Perhaps all the "conservatives" will now come out for McCain after pledging not to. If we vote for Senator McCain, AND we boycott McDonalds, everything will be rosy again.
  • Christianptriot, on 07/23/2008, -7/+7IF obama really wants to see change in the US, and be the next US president, WHY does he NOT have the US flag on his airliner??

    Who is paying for that airliner, as well - and the paint job?

    If you are cheering for a team and want that team to support you, you wear THEIR colors - you do NOT make the team change to wear YOUR colors only. THAT is totalitarianism.

    Obama is not for the US - he is for obama.
    • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -3/+5His logo contains the colors red, white and blue. He is wearing our colors.
    • alkajazz, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6Oh shut up already.....
      • danielttt, on 07/23/2008, -5/+1Here's an idea. I know this is a stretch but..Let's suppose, damn this is wild, but just suppose, the next time you write a one sentence response, you write something intelligent....I know you're a lemming and all but, I tend to dream big.
  • alkajazz, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4DAMN
  • flip2trip, on 07/23/2008, -8/+6The following words were spoken by the late Red Skelton on his television program as he related the story of his teacher, Mr. Laswell, who felt his students had come to think of the Pledge of Allegiance as merely something to recite in class each day.

    "I've been listening to you boys and girls recite the Pledge of Allegiance all semester and it seems as though it is becoming monotonous to you. If I may, may I recite it and try to explain to you the meaning of each word?"

    I -- me, an individual, a committee of one.

    PLEDGE -- dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self pity.

    ALLEGIANCE -- my love and my devotion.

    TO THE FLAG -- our standard, Old Glory, a symbol of freedom. Wherever she waves, there's respect because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts freedom is everybody's job!

    UNITED -- that means that we have all come together.

    STATES -- individual communities that have united into 48 great states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose; all divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common purpose, and that's love for country.

    AND TO THE REPUBLIC -- a state in which sovereign power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is the people and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people.

    FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION -- one nation, meaning "so blessed by God"

    INDIVISIBLE -- incapable of being divided.

    WITH LIBERTY -- which is freedom -- the right of power to live one's own life without threats, fear or some sort of retaliation.

    AND JUSTICE -- the principle or quality of dealing fairly with others.

    FOR ALL -- which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine.

    And now, boys and girls, let me hear you recite the Pledge of Allegiance:

    "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance...
    UNDER GOD

    Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too?

    - Red Skelton
    • alkajazz, on 07/23/2008, -3/+3I really love digging down your long comments.
      • flip2trip, on 07/25/2008, -0/+2It's ok, I'm used to the immaturity of diggers by now.
  • jb1965, on 07/23/2008, -9/+5No surprises here. No flag lapel pin. Not standing in a respectful manner for the pledge of allegiance. Th Che Guevara flag in one of his campaign offices. The altered Presidential Seal. And the liberal media and the Kool-Aid drinkers posting above just loving him!
    • eir574, on 07/23/2008, -2/+11Patriotism is not measured soley by the size and number of flags one displays. We have enough that divides us in this country without criticizing each other based on whether we wear flag pins and on how or whether we display the flag.
  • SOLGAARD, on 07/23/2008, -5/+2WOW, (U-GO DIGG-TROLLS).

    47 DIGGS, and almost 200 comments- lol, Just goes to show->
  • SydBloom, on 07/23/2008, -3/+1The cult of celebrity makes people think the Obamanation is a viable candidate. He is not. No experience. His legislation looks like the UN wrote it. (Including by the way a proposal by the Obamanation to DIRECTLY TAX US CITIZENS FOR THE UN.
  • Joementum, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4Relax folks. There is a flag on his plane. http://embeds.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/img_3380 ...
    • Coven, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3pwned

      but wait, its not big enough for the patriots round here.
  • SydBloom, on 07/23/2008, -4/+1Removing the symbol of our nation is a deliberate signal to the world. It means that the Obamanation believes what most democrat liberal stalinists in America believe, that America is an evil nation and should be blamed for most of the ills in the world.

    The generation of the 60's and 70's are self absorbed, cinical and rudderless. They are leading the democrat charge and have embraced all kinds of perverted and self destructive ideals because they are living in the vaccum created in humans when they stand for nothing of real value, lack basic decency and believe in only themselves. These are the leaders like Pelosi, Kerry, Boxer, Kennnedy, Schumer and Clinton et al.

    Their worship of the cult of celebrity is further evidence of their lack of core human decency and ideals. Any shiney penny is a cause for new adolation and excitement. Of course they also turn into vicious hyenas the moment the shine is gone. Take a look at what they do to the likes of a Britney Spears or a Princess Diana or the current Obamanation. They