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- vroom101, on 11/06/2007, -1/+100This, this, this grasping to know-it-all is appalling! The U.S. Legislative branch (the Congress) and the U.S. Judicial branch (the Courts) should, no, they MUST SAY NO! -- why tear up this country? If you want to rewrite the Bill of Rights, if you wish to remove the fundamental freedoms our Founding Fathers deliberately & deeply engraved into the Constitution of the United States of America -- time-tested fundamental freedoms and time-tested fundamental rights which make the United States of America a great nation, if you think the Constitution of the United States of America is outdated (it is not!) then stop this incremental chip-the-US-Constitution-here, chip-the US-Constitution-there, and place before We the People of the United States of America your version of a national constitution In Its Entirety -- no more incrementalism! No more appeals to The War On Terror! Just lay it all out -- that's the right way, that's the American way.
- neuralzen, on 11/06/2007, -0/+62Time to encrypt everything I guess.
- syroncoda, on 11/05/2007, -2/+51email... has the world MAIL in it. and mail privacy is constitutional.
- SheilaNoya, on 11/05/2007, -10/+58We're turning into the U.S.S.R.
(United States Screwed by Republicans) - Lixie, on 11/06/2007, -1/+42I hate how our government, as a whole (and not just this administration), has taken the policy that anything that wasn't explicitly stated as a right by men in the 1700's is not a right here today in 2007.
We don't have a right to drive, a right to the internet, a right to a phone, a right to health care, a right to higher education, a right to travel abroad without getting permission from the government, a right not to be tracked by data mining companies, a right not to be videotaped by the government on our city streets, a right not to have our image and likeness databased by merchant store's video cameras, a right to privacy of our fingerprints, a right to privacy of our DNA, a right to privacy from the government of our medical records, or even a right to have our currency's value protected against other major foreign currencies. It's called the 9th Amendment. You know, the forgotten Amendment.
I do know a few things that aren't in the Constitution. There's no mention of an NSA, DoD, CIA, or Dept. of Homeland Security. Maybe it's time we told the government what it doesn't have the right to do. - inactive, on 11/05/2007, -0/+37Pity we can't just be like the Bushies and "lose" our emails.
- 03FightOn, on 11/06/2007, -0/+37The constitution does not grant Rights. This argument is twisted and people can't even see it. This argument should be framed and adjudicated as "does the government have the Legal and delegated power " to conduct this action. Our rights exist independent of gevernment.
People....stop using the wrong frame of reference. It automatically gives government the power. The ninth amendment is the right point, but by framing it as a "constitutional right" we begin to debvate what our rights are, not what the legitimate power of government is. Subtle but very important. - SilverStandard, on 11/05/2007, -8/+43Screwed by Republicans? Excuse me, but Democrats have made no effort to impeach Bush or stop this illegal war. The Democrats in Congress are complicit.
- phnx0221, on 11/05/2007, -5/+40Wow, that really puts a limit on conversation and organization. I know that on digg, I can't display my email address on the shout system, even though there are some on my friends list that I would love to contact outside of the digg format.
That also means that anytime I attempt to organize ANYTHING via email, then it's subject to observation and or surveillance by the government, NSA, Homeland Security, or any other agency that deems me a threat.
Our constitution is outdated, for this very important reason, as well as others. While I regard my bill of rights highly, as something to NEVER be infringed against (even though it is, but I digress), the constitution needs to be updated, with the input of the people, to protect their rights as they grow into new eras and with new technology.
So, it's decided. The government has a free pass. That's just wonderful. - jakv5, on 11/05/2007, -0/+30scary
- bratpack8, on 11/05/2007, -2/+31If you think there is any difference between the two parties, you are sadly mistaken.
- 03FightOn, on 11/05/2007, -0/+25Government does not have rights. NOWHERE in the constitution is the state given rights. These documents DELEGATE certain and limited POWER to government, with very specific controls.
- lordtyros, on 11/05/2007, -2/+25you'll recall it when you're being waterboarded
- ithejosh, on 11/05/2007, -9/+32Government fails again?
Ron Paul anyone? - hawkspur, on 11/05/2007, -0/+21Privacy is a right protected by the Constitution, but law enforcement and politicians like Bush tend to ignore it.
The Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - PopcornDave, on 11/05/2007, -0/+21Exactly, and if push comes to shove you "don't recall" your encryption password.
- caboosemoose, on 11/05/2007, -0/+21Notwithstanding the 9th amendment....
* Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
If email can't be construed as part of one's "papers and effects" then as far as I'm concerned rational construal of the meaning of Constitutional text is dead and buried. - SiNN4R, on 11/05/2007, -1/+21The constitution is not out of date. Its just ignored.
- phnx0221, on 11/05/2007, -1/+20Then again, you know what? ***** that. I'm not going to let this put me in a place of fear for sharing information, inciting organization, or continuing to voice my dissent for all that is wrong. I'm not going to be pressured into a silence of fear.
- bratpack8, on 11/06/2007, -0/+19Freedom is not outdated.
- pintomp3, on 11/05/2007, -0/+18it's sad how both privacy and transparency have both been damaged so much in the past few years. the people have a right to see into their government, not the other way around.
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -2/+19That's just a goofy claim. Of course mail is private. Man, the right wing is just insane.
- Dumbledorito, on 11/14/2007, -1/+18Yeah, getting a hold of White House e-mail when the DoJ is staffed by "loyal Bushies" has been SUCH a breeze so far...
See, unlike poiticians, I can't just declare my e-mails to be "classified" and never hear about it again. - ngnboone, on 11/06/2007, -0/+16The constitution doesn't need to be updated- it just needs to be enforced
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -0/+14Coincidentally Bush has issued a signing statement claiming that "analog" mail isn't subject to privacy rights either. And we all know phones aren't subject to privacy rights.
- neozeed, on 11/05/2007, -0/+144th ammendment, a person's 'papers'..
- Battleloser, on 11/05/2007, -0/+14Give 'em an inch, and they'll take a mile.
- ptsd, on 11/05/2007, -0/+14this war on our constitutional rights is treason.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." - inactive, on 11/05/2007, -0/+13this kind of thing doesn't magically dissapear when the next President is elected
- inactive, on 11/06/2007, -0/+13Then why use passwords? You might as well just allow anyone to read anyone else's email...
- jaymzdean, on 11/05/2007, -1/+14neither was your mom, but that doesn't give the government the right to look up her dress at a whim.
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -0/+12Dear God, are you F'ing RETARDED?!? I'm praying you're being sarcastic, because there is a reason the Congress is called the LEGISLATIVE branch of the gov't. *sigh*
- organicpixels, on 11/05/2007, -1/+13Ok, Isn't this stuff sounding a bit like what Hitler was doing in the build up to the holocaust. Does destroying the constitutional rights of the people for the safety of the people sound like history repeating itself?
- 3tcp, on 11/05/2007, -0/+10Dick Cheney's day planner
- mrdoyle, on 11/05/2007, -0/+10And what happens when they define what your doing as wrong?
- TheFoolyCooly, on 11/05/2007, -0/+8so you dont care if I browse your bank account or read your computer files?
Give up your rights?
Same ***** different scale... - HunterTV, on 11/05/2007, -2/+10I actually turned on File Vault on my MacBook recently because of all this crap.
Yeah, sure they can make you give up the password, but at least I have to make them give me a reason.
Or they can try and break the totally obscure 25 character login pasword I memorized so they can read emails from my mom. - Darth_tater, on 11/05/2007, -0/+8your traffic would be sniffable
- Thex1138, on 11/05/2007, -0/+815% of all traffic through AT&T is NARUS box collected...
- mikelieman, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7Moreso, since the Constitution is the *only* place where The People delegate authority to the Federal Government, since the "Authority to Intercept Communications" is not expressly delegated, the 9th and 10th Amendments EXPLICITLY reserve the "Authority to Intercept Communications" to The People ( and, possibly The State, if That State's People had delegated it to That State. YMMV. Constitutionally Federated Republics Rock! Too bad we ain't got one.
- ZxEfR, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7If only I could see the world thru a child's eyes again.........
- ne0shell, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7Then the administration shouldn't have any issues turning all the RNC emails that they "lost" over to the media for the public to read. I love how the people steadily lose civil liberties while the govt grows more and more secretive with no accountability and claims that they are above the law. Sounds like fascism to me......
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -1/+8^^ Especially if Hillary is (God help us) elected. Do you REALLY think she's going to give up all the power Bush has concentrated for himself? She's just as maniacal as he is!
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7You could argue regular mail is just as inherently insecure.
The government should be reinforcing the protection of people's privacy by limiting it's powers to read people's correspondence to warranted searches. Instead the government sides on additional powers every chance it gets.
The issue isn't "email is pretty easy to open therefore government has the right". It's the fact that regardless of ease the government should be protecting peoples rights, freedoms, and privacy. The government isn't doing this, since George Bush reformed the law and intelligence agencies. The people who objected to this sort of behavior were either fired or abruptly quit. Those who came out with evidence of wrong doing, were denounced. Whistle blowing was in many ways made illegal. - AbsurdParadox, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7Good game at pigeon holing people there.
There are big-government douche-bags on both sides of the aisle. - Marijuana, on 11/05/2007, -1/+8The times are changing, we're not important anymore. Guess who are.
- dgh1973, on 11/05/2007, -1/+8My only hope is that we have not become to fat, lazy, and/or complacent to pick up our 300 year old "don't tread on me" flags and teach this government what "by the people, for the people" really means if this kind of ***** keeps happening.
I don't care if they have guns and tanks, there are over 300 million of us and only a few hundred thousand of them. If the ***** hits the fan we'll have to stand up and tell the elite minority that we want to live free, or die trying. - Neiby, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7I regret that I have but one digg to give for that comment. You nailed the problem exactly.
- ZxEfR, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7It's people that think there is a difference in the parties that is mainly to blame for allowing such a thing.....there is NO difference between them.....time to grow up and see the light man.
- danconia, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7Use Constitution when in your best interest. Ignore it when it's not. Lather, rinse, and repeat.
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