No Woman Will Have The Right To Choose

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ProfessorSYM, on 08/18/2008, -43/+502If you are against abortion, don't get one.

If you insist on trying to prevent other people from getting them, be sure to be the first one to volunteer to take care of what will be an unwanted child born to a parent who is either unwilling or unable to raise it properly.

Otherwise mind your own business, spend some time with your own children and try to teach them the value of personal liberty.
jpsoraire, on 08/17/2008, -73/+393Wrong. What will happen is that the Republicans will want to have that overturned due to the fact that most are intoxicated with the faith-based views on how the world should work. Don't believe me, need an example of what would happen? Ladies and Gentlemen who are reading this post, take a look back at the last 8 years and ask me if this is what you want for the next 4. I ask that because that is what John McCain is offering for you all. There is no doubt in my mind that as bad as you think this country is now, if John McCain is president, it can and absolutely will get worse. This isn't a question of what "the left" or "liberals" will say or do, it is a matter of what is happening. Unfortunately ImperialRome, the "right" or "conservative" as you would know them are scared to their wits end and are trapped in this bubble of fear where they can't seem to get out. This isn't about me or you, or anyone else who is reading this. This is about doing what's right. By reading your post, I get this feeling that you are so scared, that you can't even acknowledge that you are in that state of fear. In fact you may not come to terms with it now. But there is a way out. You've been the subject of constant bombardments of fear mongering from "the right" or the "conservatives" as you would know them to be. It's time to brake out of that shell and take a deep breath. I'd like you to please re-evaluate your stance and reply when you are ready.

As far as people screaming that the "sky is falling", it's not a matter of anyone being scared or being on the defense. As far as I see it, the people who aren't screaming that, are the ones who will be losing a majority of their seats in the House and by the daily numbers of what the average polls of polls show for the presidential candidacy is, it looks like the people who are screaming "the sky is falling" will be in control of the House, Senate, and Presidency.

Here is a transcript that was provided by http://www.cnn.com in regards to that very same question when asked by Pastor Rick Warren of the Saddleback Church out in Lake Forest, California on Saturday August 16, 2008
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WARREN: Let's deal with abortion. I, as a pastor, have to deal with this all the time, every different angle, every different pain, all of the decisions and all of that. Forty million abortions since Roe v. Wade. Some people, people who believe that life begins at conception, believe that's a holocaust for many people. What point is a baby entitled to human rights?

MCCAIN: At the moment of conception. (APPLAUSE). I have a 25-year pro-life record in the Congress, in the Senate. And as president of the United States, I will be a pro-life president. And this presidency will have pro-life policies. That's my commitment. That's my commitment to you.

Source : http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/16/se. ...
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I think the words of "I will be a pro-life president. And this presidency will have pro-life policies" is pretty clear where he stands, almost as if to say he is not pro-choice. I mean it's either he is or he isn't. If he didn't have a stance, he would have said that as well. Luckily he is not committed to that stance.....wait oh yeah his very next quote is "That's my commitment. That's my commitment to you.". I guess you are right ImperialRome, I am wrong.

P.S. Sorry for defecating all over your point, you left me no choice. Have a nice day! :)
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -54/+279McCain values human life as long as it's white and inside a womb.
LegendaryStats, on 08/18/2008, -31/+217I think most people don't like abortion, but the truth is it should be the woman's choice. There are other outstanding situations as well, such as rape.... What if a women is raped and wants an abortion? Abortion should be legal and like Obama said, there should be limitations to it such as time restraints and so forth
USArugula, on 08/18/2008, -11/+136Agreed. That's why it's called pro-choice. If your faith tells you to bear the child of your rapist, then you are free to follow your faith. You cannot, however, legislate your faith on others..
NikoKun, on 08/18/2008, -39/+125Just another reason why McCain is unfit to be leader of a country.
sathias, on 08/18/2008, -10/+94from wiki

In 1999, McCain said of Roe v. Wade, "I'd love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."[205][206]

However, on February 18, 2007, McCain stated, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."[207] McCain has said he supports amending the U.S. Constitution to ban abortion, except in cases of rape, incest, or risk to the mother's life.[208]

More "flip-flopping", to coin a phrase popular with McCain's supporters
ProfessorSYM, on 08/18/2008, -8/+79"You cannot, however, legislate your faith on others.."

Unless you are so insecure in your faith that you have to see everyone else adhering to its tenets as well, whether they want to or not.
drunkirish, on 08/18/2008, -8/+80Ever notice that the politicians (and regular people too) who are against "killing" innocent fetuses are typically the ones that are the most gung-ho about going to war in other countries, innocent deaths be damned?

Funny how that works.
Archange11, on 08/18/2008, -6/+65First of all, Everyone is anti-abortion, that is why the dichotomy is pro-life vs. pro-choice. I hate this debate a lot, but I want to jump into the fray. This one issue stands unique in that it will never be solved. It doesn't have as much to do about liberal/conservative or even Obama/McCain, it's simply a difference in definition of when someone becomes a legal personality. And since both camps are working with different definitions, there is no way to convince the other. They are both incommensurable yet have equal merit and are worthy of fanaticism and passion. One side believes they are saving lives and preventing a mass killing of an undesirable type of person. The other side believes they are preserving the sanctity of privacy and a woman's prerogative to determine the fate of her future and prevent or correct a horrible and/or debilitating situation. There is no correct side at all. Taking either side also has nothing to do whether Obama or McCain can be the better leader, just who you agree with. Tear down either candidate for other issues, but not for their conviction of protecting and savings lives, whether it is the child or the parents. Everyone absolutely has to and should respect both views because both are actually doing it for the best of reasons, they just aren't the same reasons.

And one more thing, enough with the overzealous crap of the the country will go to hell if McCain wins. It's still America, there will still be a Democrat majority in both houses and for all the "unconstitutional" crap going on with the Bush, be grateful that if he's one of the worst leaders we've had, we have it good. Remember, I and every other American knows without a doubt, he will walk away, relinquish power and step down to a private citizen life in late January. Bush may be horrible, but he will not declare martial law, he will not imprison Reid or Pelosi, he will not order the assassination of Obama. Quit your first world whines, other countries are actually dealing with an autocratic government sponsored genocide. Boohoo that a democratically elected president in the richest nation with a fully free opposition party ***** up.

As a career fed who has to work regardless of the party in power, I'm not too worried b/c of my faith in democracy.

Ok, off my soapbox.
rebotfc, on 08/18/2008, -10/+68well said, sir.
Xiretsa, on 08/18/2008, -4/+61McCain said he will be a pro-life president. Does that mean that he will remove the death penalty?
consonance, on 08/18/2008, -8/+61Barack Obama doesn't care about womb people. (I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.)
bananasluggy, on 08/18/2008, -6/+55It sounds a bit odd, but I'm alive today because abortions are legal.

Due to extreme endometriosis, my mother suffered numerous miscarriages before she managed to have me--two of those miscarriages were during the third trimester. Under the kinds of laws right-to-lifers want to enforce, my mother would have died before having the chance to have me, even though the pregnancies were already being attacked by her own body. She nearly died giving birth to me (actually I was c-sectioned.. was supposed to be born in March, but instead, I was born in early January), that's how badly she wanted a child.

Under McCain's view of the world, my mother would have had a death sentence held over her head as the price for trying to have a child. Was she healthy enough? No. Would she ever have been? No. Did she want a baby anyway? Oh yep.

Abortion is a medical decision, not a political one. It's for doctors and women, not politicians and church bench-warmers. My mother didn't have abortions because she thought they were fun, or she was tired of being pregnant, or she just had something else she wanted to do--She wanted a living child, badly, but her body was incapable of carrying one to term (she had a hysterectomy when I was two due to cancer.) She hated having to get an abortion, as it meant yet again her body failed her.

Not every woman who has one does it because she's being frivolous or silly. There are women out there who have abortions so that they can hope to have a child later, or because something went horribly wrong and they feel the most moral thing they can do is terminate the pregnancy. That sort of decision is hard enough to make when it's your body and the child you wanted to have is on the line--how can someone sitting thousands of miles away even suggest they know what's best? There are many reasons and many causes that can lead a woman to choose abortion--the fact that some people are made uneasy by the varied reasons and experiences of women who seek abortion isn't a justification of outlawing it altogeather, just to make the uneasy people comfortable again.

Tough choices should be made by those who have to live with the consequences. It's as simple as that. My parents wanted two children, and would have had two children, had my mother's final pregnancy before her hysterectomy not ended in miscarriage and abortion during the third trimester.

My mother shouldn't have been expected to die just to prove that the fetus was doomed to die too. (And yes, that is the end result of anti-abortion laws, as "you can never be sure that the baby wouldn't have survived!" will, I promise you, be thrown out there as a reason to ban any and all abortions, no matter if their denial costs the mother her life or her health. They peck away at the rights of the "silly" women who are out there having fun and being "irresponsible," and then go after everyone else.)

Oh, and abortion is hardly like getting your nails done. I hate how they insinuate that it's just something women pop off down to the shop to get done on a whim. "Oh, I'll get my nails done, then an abortion, then I think I'll get lunch." Abortion isn't the first choice for many women.
ZenMojo, on 08/18/2008, -0/+48Me too. Printed it and framed it.
ashwinmudigonda, on 08/18/2008, -21/+67And, aptly, every anti-abortion nutjob must watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo

Get your facts straight, retards, and then spoil our lives.

Also, while we are talking about taking lives, can we please have a meaningful discussion about Euthanasia and play catchup with Europe?
ProfessorSYM, on 08/18/2008, -9/+54The problem is you can't teach responsibility to some people.

So it is all well and good if you want to restrict abortions, just be sure and be the first in line to take care of the kids when the parents abandon them to the state so my tax dollars aren't being used to raise more irresponsible children.
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -9/+49Be honest, who actually read all of that comment?
bjornski, on 08/18/2008, -2/+42Me.
DigitalJ3di, on 08/18/2008, -1/+37At least he said, have a nice day.
locojones, on 08/18/2008, -9/+44McCain is such a hypocrite. He loves to paint the Democrats as Socialists, but in his sweeping statement that all these unwanted children should be given a chance, nowhere does he address who is supposed to take care of them. Sure, he has all the rhetoric about supporting adoption, but what happens in a system overburdened with all these kids? Oh that's right, the government and my tax dollars will have to take care of them. McCain can't even be relied on to adopt an American child (the article mentions he adopted one from Bangladesh), so how can he expect anyone else to?
lukedamonkey, on 08/18/2008, -20/+55I believe if a couple cannot provide/support a child, it should be their choice whether or not to terminate the pregnancy.
playuhh, on 08/18/2008, -2/+35Remove the death penalty... stop the warmongering / profiteering which results in the murder of thousands of innocent lives... go vegetarian...

Pro-Life is such a ***** statement. They should just be out front with it and call it anti-abortion instead of abusing word-choice to make a position seem more appealing... that goes for every position as well.
Frejesal, on 08/18/2008, -17/+48DUGG FOR TRUTH.
Bluezinc: you missed the point by a mile. He's saying that the sensationalist title "WOMEN CAN'T CHOOSE" is the equivalent to saying "LIBERALS ARE BABY KILLERS"
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -2/+32It's reasonable. IF they are against abortion then I'd like to hear their "better" idea for dealing with children whos parents either can't or don't want to take care of. Sure, you could just say, "screw em", but then you'd be as morally bankrupt as you claim abortions are in the first place.

This isn't a law that makes abortion morally acceptable, it's a law that makes it legal. You don't have to love abortions to support liberty.
chrisduser, on 08/18/2008, -0/+29Life begins as sperm, I think the death toll is upwards of 500 trillion-trillion.
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -38/+66We liberals suuuuure do love killing babies! That's not obvious trolling at all!

I mean, your comment is perfectly well-thought out and reasonable!

Thank you for your insight, contributing member of society!
egoideal, on 08/18/2008, -12/+39By your own admission this is a matter of privacy. Hence, it is not a state decision, but that of the federal government. That's like saying the 2nd amendment is a matter of choice for each state.
bruce42, on 08/18/2008, -6/+32as an outsider looking in (new zealander) .... everyone (95% + ) on digg seems to love obama (or ron paul) and seem to hate mccain.

So all the mccain bashing (deserved or not) is a bit of a waste of time IMHO.
pintomp3, on 08/18/2008, -0/+25or stop the war?
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -5/+28Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers.
-George Carlin
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -0/+23lol the old woman makes me laugh "i don't think they should be punished, the life has been taken and the crime has been done"

haha i'm sure all the murderers in jail like her method of thinking
ArtofPhire, on 08/18/2008, -1/+24533n, have you raised a child on minimum wage, limited water, sources and such? No? Then you have no say in the matter if someone should have an abortion or not.

Are you going to adopt the kid who isn't wanted or can't be provided for? Then it's not your choice to decide if a woman should have an abortion or not.
CityzenInsane, on 08/18/2008, -8/+30I thought John McCain didn't know what computers were... why does he have a website?
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -11/+32You know what I find ironic? Morally liberal folks, who are pro choice, are usually very adamant about the rights of individuals and humans, but when it comes to fetuses they don't abide by the same values.
nytimes0809, on 08/18/2008, -14/+34Ah that old guy again...
wild, on 08/18/2008, -0/+19I already caused two mass murders this morning thanks to Penthouse.com...
Pacula, on 08/18/2008, -1/+20Perhaps, but you're leaving out an important detail - this only applies to white infants. Older children, or babies of non-white or mixed race don't have anywhere near the same chances of adoption.

Besides, how the hell would -you- feel about being -forced- to go through nine months of pregnancy and all of the associated risks?

I do agree that the idea of some people resorting to abortion because they are too lazy to use birth control is repugnant, but accidents do happen - no birth control method is perfect. It shouldn't be a decision made lightly, but the option does need to be there.
overridemymind, on 08/18/2008, -1/+20I think what we need to ask ourselves here, is -- what, exactly constitutes murder? Is it the termination of the simplest form of life -- or is it the termination of a sentient soul?

I'm going to use the Terry Schiavo (sp?) case as an example. Terry was brain-dead, and had been for some time -- her body was essentially a severely damaged organic machine. There was, clinically, no sign of the woman she once was -- her consciousness, her personality, what made Terry -- well -- Terry, was gone. I know the debate still continues about this issue, but -- was the termination of her body's life murder?

What makes us humans different from animals is sentience -- basically the presence of intelligence, personality, and what most people call a soul. So, if those things are not present -- I know it's horrible to say -- what makes a human any different from, say, a cow, chicken, or other dumb animal?

The point I'm trying to make here is that, in the time before a fetus is capable -- physically capable -- of carrying these intellectual capabilities -- what, exactly, separates the fetus from being a blank slate of cells? A template for a larger, better organism to grow from? Is it the fact that this particular grouping of cells is coded to eventually become a human being? Is it because of the thought of what this organism may one day become? These are the questions we must first ask ourselves to truly answer the question of "Is abortion the same as murder?" and the subsequent ethical questions therein.

While, personally, I neither condone nor condemn abortion, the "woman's right to chose" -- when it comes to the question of "Is abortion murder?" -- I believe it is not until such time as the fetus is physically capable of supporting sentience.
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -4/+23@GiggleStick
A baby has a brain. A baby processes information about the environment around it. A fetus does no such thing. Typical pro-lifer argument - having no logical defense, you appeal to emotion. You compare an abortion to baby-killing.

@Tbab
What on Earth are you talking about? The potential for life is not the same as life itself. By your argument, I'm guilty of genocide every time I jack off.
lukedamonkey, on 08/18/2008, -2/+20It seems a fetus has more life value than fully developed humans,
sad sad world.
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -3/+20Sigh.
1. "Partial birth abortion" is not a medical term. It's a political one. Stop using it.
2. You're talking about D&X and D&E abortions, which are actually more commonly used to remove already-dead fetuses from the womb. See, once a fetus dies of other causes, perhaps a genetic defect, or being strangled by the umbilical cord (damn, God's a cruel abortionist), the body begins to rot, and I don't know about you, but I don't want a rotting wad of flesh in my abdominal cavity. D&X and D&E abortions are performed to remove this dead form from the uterus so that the woman, whose life you clearly do not value, does not suffer serious and life-threatening infection. Thanks, though, for revealing your cluelessness. I really want someone who has no idea what he's talking about to be legislating away my reproductive rights.
3. Murder is a legal term and is subject to a legal definition, of which abortion is not a part. The declaration that "abortion is murder" is an emotionally provocative one, to be sure, and there's no way to get support other than emotional manipulation, I know, but the statement is factually false and I really wish that you anti-choice, anti-woman activists would quit lying.
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -2/+19That is not at all the case, ImperialRome. There is a huge difference between offering a woman all her options and simply saying "you've got to abort this fetus because we said so." Stop lying.
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -2/+19It's always possible to have a child even when using birth control. No contraceptive works 100% of the time.
cheaptricks, on 08/18/2008, -0/+17or the right to die
inactive, on 08/18/2008, -3/+20May not be right, but it should be the choice of the individual, not the government. If a woman has an unwanted pregnancy and has thought about the choices and thinks its in her best choice not to have the child, no one should tell her otherwise. How is it freedom to say "If my religion doesn't allow it no one else can do it"

Not everyone believes life begins at conception...
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