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bsalert.com — The Bush Administration, like many conservative groups, cares a lot about young lives. From zygotes to embryos to nine-month-old fetuses, Bush 'n' friends care a great deal about the well-being of an almost-child. After your born, though, you'd better hope you weren't born poor.
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- abburdlen, on 10/10/2007, -8/+93Bush a hypocrite? you don't say!
- Ajajadude, on 10/10/2007, -3/+37"We must protect our unborn!"
"Screw those welfare children! They do nothing but leach money from our paychecks!"
That's pretty much what I hear when the ubber-conservative starts talking about these sorts of things. They'll fight tooth-and-nail to make sure that baby is born, but once it is, they don't give a damn what happens to it.- subterfuge, on 10/10/2007, -14/+3yeah its so much simpler to just give the right to abortion and revoke welfare. then people will think twice about having kids and poor people will die out, leaving an economically better-off america
- rald84, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4sounds like a damn good idea, why don't conservatives support it?
- macweirdo42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Wait... Who the hell's gonna operate our poor-people jobs? Illegals? Listen, before we kill of the nation's poor, I just wanna know who's gonna be serving me my chicken McNuggets.
- mojibake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Vending.
- voisine, on 10/10/2007, -12/+3There's a big difference between not caring about what happens to a baby and believing it's wrong steal what doesn't belong to you by force to support that baby. It's perfectly reasonable to say you have the right to live, but not the right to take the product of another's labor under threat of violence (taxation). I give money to private charities that help children far more than the government helps them with the much larger amount of my tax money they take to give them.
Your comment assumes government is the best able to support children through forced charity. That's insane.- archiesteel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15You can't count on charity to provide for the education of the nation's poorest. It just doesn't work.
Taxation is the price you pay for civilization. Deal with it.- voisine, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2And our public education system does work?!? As we know, private schools can take even inner city kids and have them competing with the test scores of rich students at suburban public schools, using about a third of the funds that public schools spend. (see "stupid in america"). And this is even with public schools strangling free market competition. With more competition you can expect prices to drop even further and education to continually improve. With all those tax dollars back we'd each be able to better afford private schools for our kids and have more left over for charity. Without public schools, private charities would also see much more giving to help poor children. The Gates foundation alone already gives nearly enough to K-12 education to pay for the much smaller number of kids we'd have unable to pay for private education under a free market system. Liberty works. Socialism and slavery doesn't.
- strabes, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1You may not be able to count on charity, but you sure as hell can't count on government to provide education either. The only fair way is to let each pay for his/her own children's education. Any other way inherently treats people unequally. The problem with you liberals is that you treat people unequally in the name of equality. You take money from some and give it to others so that we will all be more equal.
- archiesteel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15You can't count on charity to provide for the education of the nation's poorest. It just doesn't work.
- AlexanderZero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7So, when will we finally get a 'pro-good-life' political group? :D
- Tamriel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I believe they call this political position pro-gestation.
Pro-life my ***** ass. Don't forget the death penalty, too. Although, to be fair that is something most people support, I think.- Novagenesis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Actually, I think Anti-Choice fits the whole position.
No choice in allowing the child to be born.
No choice in giving the child a life worth living.
No choice in the death-date of the now-grown child who turned to a life of crime because he wasn't raised well.
- Novagenesis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Actually, I think Anti-Choice fits the whole position.
- subterfuge, on 10/10/2007, -14/+3yeah its so much simpler to just give the right to abortion and revoke welfare. then people will think twice about having kids and poor people will die out, leaving an economically better-off america
- manoftheisland, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2while bush is responsible ultimately lets not let Ted Kennedy get away with another crime... he deserves some blame as well.
- blorc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I know I'm going to get dugg down for this, but all I could think of when I read this comment was Futurama.
"Oh, how awful! Did he at least die painlessly? ... To shreds, you say? Well, how is his wife holding up? ... To shreds, you say?
I don't even know why. Must be the similarity between "You don't say?" and the quote.- aduzik, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That doesn't render so well in text. You can't see Farnsworth on the phone, nor can you appreciate the perfectly comedic timing between the lines.
- Ajajadude, on 10/10/2007, -3/+37"We must protect our unborn!"
- Insanekingkong, on 10/10/2007, -3/+62This may be irrelevant, but I learned not too long ago that my local high school received more funding from the state if they promised to teach only abstinence and not safe sex. (which they decided to do.)
- ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -49/+4well seeing as how on is statistically proven to work better, and getting paid to do it, i think it was the smart move. Also its easier. Dont have sex until your married, or, this is how you put on a condom. this is when you take your pills. this is how you pull out. this is how you tell if you got herpes. this is how (add something negatively related to sex here).
- physphd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+32I think you've got that a little backwards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstinence-only_sex_education#Criticism
I also hear driving is dangerous, so should we do away with seatbelts? Knowledge and facts are bad afterall, aren't they? /srcsm - Taikun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+29Congratulations, Ruddy... it's ignorant, ill-informed people like you that are destroying America.
- Shaggy6ster, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22statistically proven to work better? ya don't say...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6927733.stm
you might want to do some research before you just start spewing "facts" that support your opinions. - Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23I guess Ruddy pulled out.
- Zizhou, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4No, no, no. The correct answer was Ruddy's *parents* pulled out. And look where that got them!
- macweirdo42, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Haha, 90% of the nation has had sex outside of marriage, what the hell are you going on about?
- ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -11/+1when i said statistically proven to work better, i mean practicing abstinence, not the actual impact of the course. everyone can stop flashing me their stats.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5That's like practicing not being hit by a car. However, most of us have to risk driving and walking outside sooner or later.
If your "technique" is trumped by how people actually behave and interact, it's next to worthless.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5That's like practicing not being hit by a car. However, most of us have to risk driving and walking outside sooner or later.
- dictum, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1All I'm saying is until you get married you will never know how much it sucks to be you.
And is that the windows logo? - Jewlee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1They don't teach you how to put a condom on in catholic high school school either. Abstinence is the way they go too. But they do tell you how you get pregnant and STD's etc. So if you're smart enough you'll know not to do those things, or find the right information yourself(It's everywhere). I don't agree with this though because it didn't have positive results in my high school. Quite a few girls had babies while I was there.
Besides I would never marry someone before having sex with them :P
- physphd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+32I think you've got that a little backwards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstinence-only_sex_education#Criticism
- ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -49/+4well seeing as how on is statistically proven to work better, and getting paid to do it, i think it was the smart move. Also its easier. Dont have sex until your married, or, this is how you put on a condom. this is when you take your pills. this is how you pull out. this is how you tell if you got herpes. this is how (add something negatively related to sex here).
- reddevil3, on 10/10/2007, -10/+85Conservatives have failed America.
- ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -20/+3captain obvious has failed digg.
- zweben, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15Can I block someone twice?
- Kamill85, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Minus and minus gives you a plus.
- zweben, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15Can I block someone twice?
- Pake, on 10/10/2007, -3/+27Politicians have failed America.
- swanny89, on 10/10/2007, -9/+17NEO-conservatives. Please make the distinction as traditional conservatives prefer not to be associated with these asshats.
- DeathGod321, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16This comment system has failed America.
- manoftheisland, on 10/10/2007, -12/+4Bush's attempt at socialism has failed america.. and so have the liberals... so the blame goes all around... heck how does congress have a lower approval rating then Bush? no one is getting anything right.
- UglieJosh, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Stop confusing social reforms with socialism.
The way Bush supports corporations and tax breaks makes him as anti-socialist as anyone.
I say this as a socialist. I know the average Digger is anti-socialism, but you know it is not fair to let us be lumped in with Bush and Hillary, like we have been lately. Modern socialism supports more civil liberties and less corporate liberties. We are nothing like the Bush-Clinton empire, who are in the back pockets of big business. Stop trying to associate us together, just because we are both pariahs in your eyes. You know, as well as I do, that it is not a fair comparison.
Corruption knows no party lines, people.- patch6, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Modernize it all you want, it still entails forced benevolence. Theft.
A system of voluntary trade for goods or services is preferable to it, and the free market can provide higher quality and cheaper solutions than the state can, in most areas.
- patch6, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Modernize it all you want, it still entails forced benevolence. Theft.
- UglieJosh, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Stop confusing social reforms with socialism.
- macweirdo42, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You know... America has failed America. Yeah, we suck. Look at our political system - no one's doing a goddamn thing for the people - all politicians care about is getting reelected. *groan* What the hell went wrong?
- aadyss, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0What do you want the government to do for you? Can you not make it through life on your own? Please specify exactly what you want.
- EuphopiaB, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3We all have. It is the fault of the group causing the destructive actions AND of the group not acting against the actions. Like when we see the government breaking a law, or violating the constitution, all we do is whine some, maybe speak out, but do we act? Do we demand the law be enforced? Do we threaten to dismember our broken government if they don't fix themselves up? No... no we complain and talk about how messed up things are. It's only until we are being forced into a prison cell for no reason other than pissing someone off that we try to act, and by then the price of going back is very, very high.
- ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -20/+3captain obvious has failed digg.
- dupswapdrop, on 10/10/2007, -10/+2They just need you to git bigger so your easier to shoot.
- ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5thanks for the insightful comment.
- JonFugeEveryone, on 10/10/2007, -9/+7This is what happens when we put education into the hands of the federal government. It's a lot easier to get people to pay for the schools that actually affect them and it's a lot more efficient!
- subterfuge, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6woot! states rights!
- DavidYeah, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4On this particular issue, I'd go so far as to say "district rights".
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2How about 'personal rights'? Voucher system, anyone?
- DavidYeah, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4On this particular issue, I'd go so far as to say "district rights".
- thefirstenemy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+19Woot poorer states getting poor educations! Woot ultra religious states teaching christianity, abstinence only and creationism!
- applebum1962, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Thank you , Thank you!!!!
- JacksonBlack, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0That's the way it is right now. And I'm sure you're thinking the federal government should prohibit it, but are you thinking what happens when that pisses off the religious right enough to get out the vote and then mandate it? I'd rather let Alabama have creationism if it lets me keep evolution in my state.
- aadyss, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0Ah, the anti-Christian rears his ugly head.
- JesseII, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Did you read the article? It was about insurance, not education
- Alegoo92, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4Awesome how dems want even more fed. gov power
- sbalzac, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2The Paul-Tards strike again!!
- subterfuge, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6woot! states rights!
- badboys213, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11times like this I wish I wasn't a junior in high school
and this whole no child left behind act really isn't working, considering many of my friends have been left behind due to D's and F's. Not saying it's the government's fault, but my friends really need a scapegoat on this.- scubajim, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10So giving them good grades means they passed? (regardless of whether they earned them)
- macweirdo42, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5No no, you don't understand.... Poor grades = being booted out of school. Sounds reasonable on the surface, but think about it... No attempts whatsoever to help improve the student's chances in life - we decide that the student is a failure, and that's all she wrote.
- Eska, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It depends on why they failed on whether they deserve a scapegoat. Teachers should not give grades based on how hard someone tries. If he/she puts forth all his/her effort and still does not understand the material, they should fail. If they put forth almost no effort and understand it, they should pass. So if they failed because they are dumb, they deserve it no matter how hard they tried. If they failed despite knowing the material, then that teacher should be fired.
I have encountered many people who disagree with this. People that believe that trying hard is important. But in the real world trying hard gets you nothing. Do you want a doctor saying that he tried hard but wasn't successful or a doctor saying he was successful but didn't try hard? I go for the latter. Or how about a mother who works hard to feed her child but fails vs a mother who doesn't have to try hard but succeeds? In the end the trying part doesn't make a difference. The kid either eats or starves, and no one can eat good intentions.
- scubajim, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10So giving them good grades means they passed? (regardless of whether they earned them)
- techweenie1, on 10/10/2007, -18/+13Meanwhile Ted Kennedy is drunk some where...
- DavidYeah, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17Thanks for your input. Also, Kerry is a flip flopper, Clinton is a pretty good rapist, and Obama is actually Osama. What other examples of Rush Limbaugh fanboy-isms can we get out of the way while we wait for the adults to take control of the country again?
- UglieJosh, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Ted Kennedy really is a drunk. That is the main difference.
I have no problem with it, though. I am a drunk myself.
- UglieJosh, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Ted Kennedy really is a drunk. That is the main difference.
- rdoger6424, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Hyannisport, MA, to be exact. Probably has a house right by the sound.
- DavidYeah, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17Thanks for your input. Also, Kerry is a flip flopper, Clinton is a pretty good rapist, and Obama is actually Osama. What other examples of Rush Limbaugh fanboy-isms can we get out of the way while we wait for the adults to take control of the country again?
- 1ifbyclam2ifbyc, on 10/10/2007, -13/+17Another reason why the government shouldn't be in the health care business. It seems that the federal government manages to ***** up everything they get put in charge of.
- DavidYeah, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6No, only when conservatives are running things. They hate government so much that they have no idea how to run one.
- scubajim, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4Yeah right.
1ifbyclam2ifbyc is correct. It is government in general not exclusively conservatives (or liberals).
- scubajim, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4Yeah right.
- DavidYeah, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6No, only when conservatives are running things. They hate government so much that they have no idea how to run one.
- ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -14/+5in a nutshell
conservatives suck. rant. george w sucks. rant. windows suck. rant. - crtjer, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Honestly, this isn't new. Digg me down but this has been known since the bill was created.
- phenolholic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1for every submission to digg, there's always a crtjer that posts "this isn't new" or "this is a dupe". sorry for not living in your shoes and coming across political issues and information at the same rate & time you do
- Jamihabs, on 10/10/2007, -17/+6The liberals have truly won when middle income families can claim they are victimized. You are not just a victim if you refuse to take advantage of the fact that you live in the land of opportunity, your a victim even if you do. Its the governments job to give you what you refuse to earn.
- DavidYeah, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Upward mobility in America is at an all time low. The "land of opportunity" catchphrase is nothing but a cute slogan. Let's create some more free trade agreements and send more jobs to third world countries, then bitch at people when they can't find a job. That's how prosperous economies should work, right?
- Jamihabs, on 10/10/2007, -6/+2Sorry, but I am a shining example of people (and I know many like me) who are not especially gifted or talented, yet do reasonably well because we put forth a reasonable amount of effort. Few, if any, other countries offer as much as America does.
- tsotha, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3That's actually false. Yes, there's a greater gap between the rich and poor, but that's because the middle class has moved to upper middle class or rich. There's plenty of opportunity - five hundred thousand illegals come here every year and manage to find jobs.
- aukxsona, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1yes plenty of opportunity if you work your ass off for years on end...in the mean time unsure if you'll eat tomorrow or if your kids will get meds. I agree plenty of opportunity...but there are so many set backs and obstacles to achieving those goals. I am a first generation college student with 5 kids that lives on 6000 or LESS a year. I have to decide between my inhaler for asthma and gas to go to school. I have applied for every program, have all the financial aid there is. I still have problems...and yes I do work for a living. FULL TIME...just like the illegal aliens do...only I get paid less because I can't go in the fields...(5 kids boss man won't take me)
So the opportunity is there for single people. But families struggle unless they wait till age 35 to have kids...and that's not natural.
- aukxsona, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1yes plenty of opportunity if you work your ass off for years on end...in the mean time unsure if you'll eat tomorrow or if your kids will get meds. I agree plenty of opportunity...but there are so many set backs and obstacles to achieving those goals. I am a first generation college student with 5 kids that lives on 6000 or LESS a year. I have to decide between my inhaler for asthma and gas to go to school. I have applied for every program, have all the financial aid there is. I still have problems...and yes I do work for a living. FULL TIME...just like the illegal aliens do...only I get paid less because I can't go in the fields...(5 kids boss man won't take me)
- jcims, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2@DavidYeah
That's because the level of entitlement mentality in America is at an all time high and everyone feels they implicitly deserve a piece of the action. Upward mobility requires effort, not excuses...you can't fall up a ladder.- aadyss, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Truth is really not desired here. It's too hard to work for a living, particularly when you know someone who is doing better in life than you. "Life, liberty, and government guarantee of happiness" . The Liberal/ Socialist/Progressive version of the Declaration of Independence.
- rdoger6424, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3All time low? You can be a C student in college and still be a 2-term president!
- UglieJosh, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Jamihabs speaks like someone who has never actually had to try to climb the ladder.
"It's their own fault for not taking advantage of the land of opportunity. I mean, look at me. My daddy bought me a car when I turned 16 and paid for my college. I have never seen anything but opportunity. If these people can't get by, it MUST be their own fault."- Jamihabs, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Sorry, but unlike many liberals, I started with comparatively little. I lived with my parents until I finished High school. from there I was on my own. I am not one of the largest rags to riches stories in this country, but I started with little and with a reasonable effort, I do reasonably well. I am not the exception to the rule in this country, I am the rule.
- Jamihabs, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1@Uqlie, One more thing that I have noticed about this country, the people who have earned what they have are most appreciative of the fact that they live where they can earn what they have. The people who have not earned what they have, don't appreciate it, or the people that gave it to them.
- alphaterminus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I think you can move from low to middle class. I grew up in a trailer court. I went to medical school and am a doctor. I'm a family doctor in the rural Midwest so I don't make that much. I'm middle class. However, it's hard to even buy a home with the Federal Reserve artificially inflating the prices of houses and printing money like ***** so the rich get richer and the poor and middle class get poorer.
And yes, seeing fat shirtless guys with cans of Bud beating up their wives and having the police constantly raid my neighbors as a child made me study hard and get the fark out of that situation.
- DavidYeah, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Upward mobility in America is at an all time low. The "land of opportunity" catchphrase is nothing but a cute slogan. Let's create some more free trade agreements and send more jobs to third world countries, then bitch at people when they can't find a job. That's how prosperous economies should work, right?
- Grimsrud, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11"After your born"
It's awesome when the description alone is able to convince me of the veracity of the argument being made in the link, it's a real time saver. - subterfuge, on 10/10/2007, -13/+3hey, we just completed some great renovations at my school! it's totally awesome now. see, NCLB gives money to schools that do well and takes money from schools that do poorly. and since i go to an upper-middle-class suburban school with a high asian immigrant percentage, we do pretty damn well on the tests. so we get more $. i have to say, it's nice to go to a beautiful school.
NLCB is totally elitist. i love it! it gives money to the schools that have smart kids and takes money from the schools that have dumb kids. that way the smart kids can make the most of themselves because they actually matter.- cfazzini, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9what about the smart kids in dumb schools?
- Bob042, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Oh, they'll just get left... wait a minute.
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Hopefully, they could move to good schools. If we were to institute a voucher system or cut taxes and privatize schools (same thing, right?) then you'll end up with more or less a meritocracy. Right now, schools are a major contributor to house prices, so we're effectively giving the best to the richest. We need more opportunity for intelligent but poorer people to go to good schools, and rich but unintelligent people to go to average schools. Don't go to an elite school if you're not intelligent.
- Jamihabs, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Do Asian kids do well in school because they are genetically superior, or is it because the Asian communities tend to have conservative values that encourage their children to try hard to succeed? Is it wrong to encourage other communities to adopt similar attitudes, or is that racist?
- grakker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The latter, and no. Some politician in California brought that up last week. Time to start looking at cultural issues and performance. Yet people don't like to hear that.
- scubajim, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1FUD, pure unadultorated FUD. NCLB doesn't give money to rich schools. The state may, but the federal dollars are a small part of the state school budget.
- OscaronV1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Last time I checked, NCLB doesn't give ANY extra money to ANY schools.
They added a lot of requirements for teachers and schools, but never added funding to match the level of requirements they added. - JacksonBlack, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0It doesn't give money to rich schools, it denies money to schools with low test scores. Which tend to be...poor schools. Oops.
- OscaronV1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Last time I checked, NCLB doesn't give ANY extra money to ANY schools.
- aadyss, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Maybe we should dumb everyone down to an equal level. ?????????????????????????
- cfazzini, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9what about the smart kids in dumb schools?
- Grimsrud, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20"After your born"
I didn't even have to read the article to be convinced that these policies really are failing. - pldgnoauthority, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4No Child Left Behind is hindering the educational system I believe as it enables the government to lower funding if students do poorly on tests. While it encourages teachers to attempt to coax students to do well, they must also fit this into the already full curriculum.
- wolferz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It also creates incentives to pass students that would normally fail. It makes attempting to push people to do better counter productive because the few who ether can't or simply aren't willing to do better will fail. End result: those that can do better likely wont and graduating class' overflowing with kids destined for jobs with their names on their shirts.
- rdoger6424, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1A doctor has a name on his coat. Are we going to have a huge hospital bubble in 10 years?
- wolferz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It also creates incentives to pass students that would normally fail. It makes attempting to push people to do better counter productive because the few who ether can't or simply aren't willing to do better will fail. End result: those that can do better likely wont and graduating class' overflowing with kids destined for jobs with their names on their shirts.
- Pake, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3The NCLB was a good idea in concept, but politicians can't seem to agree on anything and in the end, the concept was never really implemented. Then you have the school districts fighting each other for money, rather than saying "We have X amount of students and Y amount of dollars. For each X, we'll give Z, which is Y divided by X. After that, for the poorer schools, we'll buy the newer textbooks..." and such forth. But not, they figure "My kid goes to this school, so they deserve more money than your school, because my kid is more important than your kid!"
- physphd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No, it wasn't. The fact that the National Education Association (representing 3.2 millionpublic school teachers) was against it should have been the first clue.
- Pake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The NEA is a freaking teachers union who doesn't even give a ***** about the students. All they care about is themselves and that is part of the reason as to why NCLB is failing as well. They don't even want to take the initiative to help their students get ahead. I mean for ***** sake, they want teachers who go the extra mile to help their students only get paid as much as the person who works until the school bell rings.
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yup. Teachers' unions are not helping public education. Far from it. As far as NCLB, it looked good on paper I guess, but in practice, it's not helping public education either.
- jcims, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The NEA is in it for the quality of the education as much as the UAW is in it for the quality of the vehicle.
- Pake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The NEA is a freaking teachers union who doesn't even give a ***** about the students. All they care about is themselves and that is part of the reason as to why NCLB is failing as well. They don't even want to take the initiative to help their students get ahead. I mean for ***** sake, they want teachers who go the extra mile to help their students only get paid as much as the person who works until the school bell rings.
- physphd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No, it wasn't. The fact that the National Education Association (representing 3.2 millionpublic school teachers) was against it should have been the first clue.
- Kerath, on 10/10/2007, -2/+40"They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're *****."
--George Carlin (really)- tsotha, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2There's a difference between killing a baby and expecting the parents to take care of their children.
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually, that's a good point. Of course, if you don't consider abortion murder, you'll support abortion and personal freedom/responsibility.
- applebum1962, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yes, Yes!!!
- vermax, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0yeah, it really should be called the Right to Birth movement, because right after that, if you're gay or black or anything but a lockstep retard, they want your ass in jail, and couldn't give a ***** to help you.
- jcims, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2So Carlin is saying that broke kids are better off dead.
- BossKey, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1The neo-cons don't want to kill babies, but after those babies have had 18 years worth of family love and publiclly funded services invested in them, the neo-cons somehow don't have a problem having those very same souls killed by the thousands in a faraway country. It just doesn't make sense.
- jcims, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1OK, so the CDC says that there were 857,475 legal abortion procedures performed in 2000. (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm) In 2006, the US Census bureau estimates that there were 493,781 six year olds in the entire state of California (http://www.census.gov/popest/datasets.html). Some of these kids live in abusive families, some are flat broke...which would Carlin say are better off dead?
- tsotha, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2There's a difference between killing a baby and expecting the parents to take care of their children.
- IdevInull, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12Look, children doing poorly in school is the parents fault. Nobody else's.
- Zarokima, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Not entirely true; the kids are to blame as well for not applying themselves.
- applebum1962, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2What ! do you live in a bubble? Do you know what is going on in oppressed neighborhoods all over America? If you would like for me to elaborate , I will. You need to open your mind.
- rdoger6424, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You need to open your mind and recognize sarcasm when you see it.
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1As Zaro said, it's also the children. The point is it's not the government's fault.
- Rooster99, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Thats ***** - My parents were more than tollerant, gave me all the help they could give (my mother is a teacher, so thats enough help right there!), encouraged me and raised me like I should have been raised. I was spanked when i was bad, i had privileges taken away, and they wouldnt let me play certain video games. They were model parents.
I on the other hand was not a model child. I was a little terror, and I feel really bad today because so many parents would have had the impression that they couldnt raise a child all because of MY behavior. I did never did poorly in school, but I could have done so much better if I had payed more attention. My parents did EVERYTHING they could, the rest was up to me.
And also, a child doing poorly can be because of a bad teacher, a bad environment, social issues, the child's own development, or even the child's attitude. Parents can only do so much. - alphaterminus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Minority kids do bad in school because most of their parents are *****. This perpetuates racism. The same applies to most, but not all, families who spend their GDP on cigs and booze and cable. There will always be white trash and poor minorities because they breed like rabits in the welfare state, and the kids, especially the white trash kids, are generally innately stupid because of their drugged up pregnant mothers, and the rest, with rare exception, learn to be lazy, dependent, and devalue education.
- JesseII, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Did you all read the link? This has nothing to do with education, it's about insurance...and it says that if you make more than $130,000 (for a family of 4) then your child can't get state funded insurance unless 95% of the children that ARE poor have insurance.
You can Digg me down if you want, but that sounds good to me...if you make more than $130K get your own insurance don't make me pay for it.- tsotha, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I doubt too many families with 100k are on the healthcare dole.
- JesseII, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2What?
It's one of the few comments that is responding to the LINK rather than the title of the link.
- JesseII, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2What?
- beatle42, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Uh, you need to reread the article. The $55K IS 250% of the poverty line (which is $20k for a family of 4 in the 48 continguous). $130k would be about %750, not %250, but thanks for playing.
- tsotha, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I doubt too many families with 100k are on the healthcare dole.
- twinklyJesus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Buried. This is NOT News, it is OPINION.
- ncloverbrown, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6dugg down. no sources. this isn't news, just comment - and unreliable at that.
choose better. - nstanosheck, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Didn't Bush let Senator Kenned from MA write the education bill, meaning that both parties are at fault?
Funny how we only started to have major education issues after The Department of Education was created 20-some years ago? Having the government involved at all seems to be the issue here.- Pake, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Unfortunately there is no other option outside the government. If you give it to the school boards, they'll do an even ***** job, because the people on the boards will push for more funding for their schools and the schools with no representation end up getting screwed in the ass. Then you have the teachers union who tends to be more about themselves than about the students.
- scabbers, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Can someone please name me one thing Bush has done that wasn't evil? Even Hitler had some nice roads and bridges built.
- atomicnixon, on 10/10/2007, -9/+0You may not like Bush, but how dare you compare the President to someone who killed millions of innocent people? You really do have issues.
- woojoo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Dugg for the title ;)
- bigjimslade, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4This country has some of the richest poor people in the world.
Buried as inaccurate - rantings without sources = *****.- atomicnixon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1:)
- snotrokit, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6what!? Politicians creating a policy that acts on the behalf of the health insurance companies, the very same health insurance companies that wrote the latest piece of crap legislation about medicare, the very same ones that are raping the health care system of this country for every penny of profit they can squeeze, all with the help and full cooperation of our government, say it ain't so.
Hey kids, newsflash, the Dems are behind it too!!!! surprise! - G2Asia, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I am all for helping out the poor, but don't people making 2 and a half times the poverty rate need to pay for their own kids insurance?
- aukxsona, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Do you know what the poverty rate is?
- dobie8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0There isn't one "poverty line" - it depends on number of people in the family and even location. Hawaii, for example, is different than the lower 48. To give an example, for a family of 4 in the lower 48 the poverty rate would be 20,650.00 So to earn 2.5 times that amount be 51,625. As a personal opinion - that is not what I would consider poor and in need of public assistance.
- aukxsona, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1In the 48 states a family of four with just 20,650.00 a year is poor.
- dobie8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0There isn't one "poverty line" - it depends on number of people in the family and even location. Hawaii, for example, is different than the lower 48. To give an example, for a family of 4 in the lower 48 the poverty rate would be 20,650.00 So to earn 2.5 times that amount be 51,625. As a personal opinion - that is not what I would consider poor and in need of public assistance.
- aukxsona, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Do you know what the poverty rate is?
- atomicnixon, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3You all have know idea what you are talking about. I am a senior in high school this year in rural Maryland. Our county has gone from the worst in the state to the best, and our school is the best in the county. The problem isn't President Bush, the problem is parents not being involved in children's lives. My SINGLE PARENT MOTHER started teaching me how to read when I was in preschool with Hooked on Phonics. Guess what? I learned how to read faster than anyone in our class and we were middle class. Stop using the President as a scapegoat for your lousy parenting, you chose not to get involved in your children's lives not the President. Maybe if you stopped posting stupid ***** on digg your children would do better.
- physphd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You are a liar. http://www.neaveru.com/digg/stats/atomicnixon
You have also claimed to have a degree in American History. My bet is that you're a 44 year old fat guy in his mother's basement pretending to be a 16 year old blonde cheer leader.- atomicnixon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I have take 3 AP US History courses, thats still more history than you know
- a6n28f, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well that's clearly equal to the 120 credit hours needed at most universities! Man up - you were caught in a lie. Now be quiet, the grown-ups are talking.
Son, welcome to my block list.
- a6n28f, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well that's clearly equal to the 120 credit hours needed at most universities! Man up - you were caught in a lie. Now be quiet, the grown-ups are talking.
- atomicnixon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I have take 3 AP US History courses, thats still more history than you know
- aukxsona, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"You all have [sic] know"...you're the best student they have.....?
- Jamihabs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Excellent response. One of my coworkers is a single mother. She dose not make a lot of money but she has her priorities straight. She is putting her son through private school at a substantial sacrifice. The public schools in her area are substandard, but because she has her priorities straight and she is willing to put forth some extra effort. Her son is receiving a first rate education. Better than most, if not all, of the best public schools have to offer.
The only problem with this country is that too many with too much know how to do little more than complain about their good fortune. - mille716, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Hey genius. Let me help you out. "You all have know (SP- no) idea what you are talking about. I am a senior in high school this year in rural Maryland. Our county has gone from the worst in the state to the best,(no comma) and our school is (should be "are") the best in the county. The problem isn't President Bush,(should be period)(start new sentence) the problem is parents not being involved in children's(apostraphy after "s") lives. My SINGLE PARENT MOTHER started teaching me how to read when I was in preschool with Hooked on Phonics. Guess what? I learned how to read faster than anyone in our class and we were middle class. Stop using the President (shouldn't be capitalized) as a scapegoat for your lousy parenting, (period, end sentence) you chose not to get involved in your children's (apostraphy again) lives not the President (don't capitalize). Maybe if you stopped posting stupid ***** on digg your children would do better."
Kid, take a ***** writing course before you start bragging about how intelligent you've become despite being middle class (most people are middle class, so you know). Also, I would hope that after three AP courses you would have enough sense to realize that there are multiple factors that contribute to most people's successes or failures. Parenting is a big part of helping a kid succeed in school but there are many other factors that can go for or against kids. The point people are making on Digg is that the president's policies are all too often more of the "against" factors.- Jamihabs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1*****! you are one of those bigoted biased idiots who lurk to pounce on someone who posts a comment you don't agree with and instead of debating the issue, you berate them for not using term paper writing skills when posting a comment on Digg.
Kid, take a ***** debating class and learn to express ideas before you berate others who do.- daytripperOz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Er Jami... Mille716 was debating the issue in a roundabout way. What Mille716 was pointing out was that for all of Atomicnixon claims at a decent education there were a hell of a lot of writing mistakes in the post.
As for ad hominem attacks, I think yours is the best of that category I have seen in a long time.
If I may make a tentative suggestion I suggest you put your head right back up your fat wobbly ass where it obviously belongs and leave the discussion to the emotionally stable among us.
Here's a twinkie. Don't eat it all at once... Doesn't it look yummy? - mille716, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Thank you daytripper. Atomicnixon, though a kid, acted like an smug ***** and I love to one-up assholes in assholeliness. He completely missed obvious points about what the article was about and what other diggers where upset about with about Bush's educational policy. Not only did he miss these points but he then acted like such a smug dick about it to everyone on Digg. He got it coming. Also, I did debate his "points" in my final paragraph.
- daytripperOz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Er Jami... Mille716 was debating the issue in a roundabout way. What Mille716 was pointing out was that for all of Atomicnixon claims at a decent education there were a hell of a lot of writing mistakes in the post.
- Jamihabs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1*****! you are one of those bigoted biased idiots who lurk to pounce on someone who posts a comment you don't agree with and instead of debating the issue, you berate them for not using term paper writing skills when posting a comment on Digg.
- physphd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You are a liar. http://www.neaveru.com/digg/stats/atomicnixon
- AlexanderZero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I love it when Digg comes about with some of these short, but greatly written articles ^_^
- tweetsa, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8if those kids want health insurance they should stop being so lazy and go work for it
why do 5 day old babies expect to get insurance for free?- atomicnixon, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1buried for being a douche
- rdoger6424, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2sarcasm
noun
witty language used to convey insults or scorn; "he used sarcasm to upset his opponent"; "irony is wasted on the stupid"; "Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Jonathan Swift - mille716, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3@atomicnixon
Maybe you can take an AP course in sarcasm this year.
- rdoger6424, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2sarcasm
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1In your example, the parents would have the insurance. The government doesn't owe you anything except what they take from you in taxes.
- Jamihabs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why do 5 day old babies need insurance? Who is depending on them? Perhaps you mean their parents deserve insurance. Maybe they go work for it, or learn to get by without it. Many around the world do.
- atomicnixon, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1buried for being a douche
- MadAce, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6No Child Left behind?
The average age of a homeless person in the US is 9 years old!
Makes sense, since there are 1,39 million homeless children in the US.
http://lahsc.org/wordpress/educate/statistics/united-states-homeless-statistics/- physphd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Pssh! What were they thinking being born poor!
- phenolholic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1its hard for a 9 year old to get a mortgage and be employed. facts mean nothing if you dont due dilligence
- xpajbdigg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0The Conservatives care about the unborn and kill the grownups (in the wars), the liberal Democrats vice versa.
Does anybody know a party that cares about humans end-to-end? (Let's not get technical about when you become a human. I know people well into their adulthood that are only technically human.) - seminole97, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0"The State is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." -Bastiat
- nastronomical, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3BUSH tried a patch job on the education system that socialist liberals destroyed.
Go watch
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUMmTs0ZA - phenolholic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3we're blaming our federal government for causing our education system to fall and calling grants aimed to improve the education system as a failure when its us as parents and students who are the failure. i've seen kids from the worst school go to yale and kids from the best schools go to local community colleges. mathematics will be mathematics despite what school you go to, biology will be biology, and highschool english will be highschool english. its up to the students and parents to discipline themselves to learning, which is the root of the problem. most kids care less for learning and use school as a social environment, a sort of a hang out, and most parents can care less of what their kids are learning and at what capacity, and leave the burden to the federal government to sort out, and when things go wrong, their quick to blame their negligence on the educational system
- wil2200, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2as a former teacher, most of the problems is Exactly as you say - parents and kids. I have seen kids who just do nothing. I have begged, pleaded, given every opportunity possible, only to have parents come into school and jump down my throat because they don't have time for their kids and refuse to take the responsibility. The worst part for me was that the administrative body of the school chose to side with the parents rather than support me. With at attitude like that, how can one come in and expect to change lives when you are punished for doing your job and the kids are rewarded for not doing theirs. I am done with that.
- psycop, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0The figure given is adjusted at the 250% level already...it's not $130,000 . Not that I advocate social well-fare stuff but, the fact remains...after you pay your taxes, employment, sales, luxury, and all the other ways we get taxed in this country...seems to me we ALREADY ARE paying for socialized medicine. As for the dumb-ass up there saying its the parents fault..in a way they're correct...in that they have been paying taxes on miserable, failed social systems. Maybe try getting up for school everyday wondering if your gonna get jacked-up on the way to class..or on the way home, maybe one or more of your parents got sent to the "Oil press of Georges greed" a.k.a. Iraq. That list could run for days! The problem is, all the money we spend on health-care, education, defense, you name it...ends up in some corporate lackeys pocket. We're a debtor nation to Mexico for crying out loud. WTF! ...and the rant continues...
- caponumen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Yes I agree, should be "No wage salve left behind."
- ArmandoM, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I used wage salve on a rash once.. it made it worse.
- p0s3r, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3NCLB was a liberal wet dream when it was written up by Ted Kennedy, now that we know it sucks ass, like all lib policies, DO NOT BLAME BUSH.
- phillymozart, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Someone tell me how Ted Kennedy and the Dems gets a pass on this bill when we all know Bush only did this to try and be a "uniter". When will Republicans realize that compromising will never work for them; The media and Democrats will always take and take until their will is done. If it doesn't work, oh well. Blame the Republicans.
Take McCain-Feingold. Russ Feingold's name is attached to the damn thing and still most people blame McCain. Tell the last person you heard curse Feingold for all these 527's groups.- p0s3r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Exactly right. The Dems get a pass on it because it's a failure so they shifted ownership of it to Bush. Had NCLB been a success, it would've been called Kennedy's No Child Left Behind, not Bush's No Child Left Behind. The cognitive dissonance demonstrated here is how they can continue to believe that big government can solve all your problems.
- bkemper, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You lack credibility when you can't even spell really basic words. Like "you're", a contraction of "you are", as in, "after you are born". "Your" is the possessive of "you", as in, "your English ain't too good".
What is that, about 3rd or 4th grade English?- lifewithryan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Perhaps this is evidence that no child left behind really isn't working? ;)
- Stryder81, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Guys, Don't confuse " traditional " conservative Republicans with Neo-Con Fascist Republicans such as George Bush. Learn the difference then state your opinion.
- vanjejo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Preparation for the North American Union.
Gotta get those cheap laborers some additional beef to work for nothing plus tax supported benefits.
Just do away with the whole dang system - we pay and pay and pay and when the middle class *who provides the fodder for welfare programs* take their medicine (outsourced,bankrupt,indebted and broken hearted) - they are denied any benefits. It takes 2 mediocre jobs to support a family these days (or more often 4 part time jobs). No benefits unless ALL able workers in these families are employed.
Then we'll see who qualifies for assistance honestly and honorably. - vanjejo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0It is just a BIG suck of tax dollars - no accountabilty and transferring tax dollars for private profit.
Here in florida we had a "voucher" profit school utilize TAX dollars to take a dozen students 2 parent chaperones and 3 administors on a cruise - yes a 17K investment *they said it was an "educational" field trip.
According to an affidavit filed by Hill's office to procure arrest warrants, Mitchell and her clan submitted $53,343 in fraudulent claims under the McKay Scholarships program for disabled children, many thousands more for phantom students under the federal free- and reduced-price lunch program, and at least several thousand dollars from corporate tax credit voucher founder John Kirtley's group. - TwoDeuces, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1In my left hand I hold a delicious pot roast, fully cooked. This represents America! A tasty, meaty, zen, utopia. In my right hand I hold a big fork. I stick a fork in it because it's done.
:-( - Insanekingkong, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0@physphd
Nope, I've got it right:
"SEC. 9526. GENERAL PROHIBITIONS.
(a) PROHIBITION- None of the funds authorized under this Act shall be used —
(1) to develop or distribute materials, or operate programs or courses of instruction directed at youth, that are designed to promote or encourage sexual activity, whether homosexual or heterosexual;
(2) to distribute or to aid in the distribution by any organization of legally obscene materials to minors on school grounds;
(3) to provide sex education or HIV-prevention education in schools unless that instruction is age appropriate and includes the health benefits of abstinence; or
(4) to operate a program of contraceptive distribution in schools."
http://www.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/esea02/pg112.html - oriondarkwood, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2What the public school system tried and thankfully FAILED to brainwash out of me. I learned the following anyways
History books lie
The goverment is not to be trusted
Always question your superiors
A healthy distrust in authority is a good thing
Always read the Banned Books
Most of the ***** they tell you need for life you don't
Most classes have no idea what the real world does in those subjects
Education films aren't
Tests show how good you are at memorizing *****
IQ has no bearing on how good you do in school
Creativity should be free
You can always refuse to play- vanjejo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0The "public" school system is a product of UNESCO. They have been supplying our schools *via our government* with
spoon fed material FOR YEARS. Funny how our "leadership" repeatedly tries to villify the "UNION" when in actuality it has been pumped into our system for years to dumify the american public.
UNESCO - the United NATIONS plan for NWO. Read their site - "genetic biometrics" , teaching kids an appropiated career from birth onwards. Teaching that nationality is abhorant. Taking our history books and filling them with fiction to bring us to the point we are at now - DEAD as a independent Country.
Keep teaching with that NWO information .... it is what is best for the people. rats rats rats wmd wmd wmd war war gay gay hate hate
- vanjejo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0The "public" school system is a product of UNESCO. They have been supplying our schools *via our government* with
- dobie8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Why should taxpayers have to pay for health insurance for people that aren't needy? The proposal would have covered families that make 250% up to 400% (in New York only, I believe) of the poverty level. It is one thing to cover people that do not have the ability to purchase their own coverage - but this is nothing more than welfare for the middle-class.
As for why there is a one year gap that children would need to be uninsured before becoming eligible - that's easy. It is to stop parents that are currently covering their children from dropping that coverage and letting the government take it over. It seems to make sense that if you could afford health insurance this year, you should, in most cases, be able to afford it this year.
Also the arguements about the children that aren't covered because their parents are unemployed. Well, if the parents are unemployed I doubt if they are making 250% of the poverty level.
Of course a big question that no one is answering is why don't states have 95% of those children whose family's make less than 200% of the poverty level enrolled in insurance. Why aren't we working on covering those that actually need it before we try to give it to those that don't? - guzziguy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1HELP IS ON THE WAY! Hillary will fix it all and with Obama by her side they will fight injustice through out the galaxy and beyond. Exterminate all republicans, give us FREE Child care starting from birth - - >post grad. FREE Health care, FREE CABLE, FREE DRUGS, FREE WILLY. You're nightmare is almost over kiddies....BIG BAD GEORGE BUSH is almost out of here. Yeah it's George Bush's fault that the educational system in the US is in the crapper. Or is it? Not in MOST PLACES - Camden and Newark NJ has had MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS thrown at it and they still have the lowest test scores in the state....Who's fault is that? Even if GW would have proposed everything I've listed above that Hillary and her VP Obama will RAM Thur ( OR TRY TO ) you would still hate him.....GROW UP
OH - BTW when your hero Hillary was in charge of Education as "First Lady" of Arkansas that state was 49 out of 50 in every category of education. - alphaterminus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No child left behind is a greater mission of the federal government. It assumes all slow people and all advanced people should march lock-step in the same failed education model.
My daughter is in second grade and reads at the 9th grade level and does math at the 7th grade level. She learns absolutely nothing at the public schools and they make no effort to teach her anything. She's very much socially a 2nd grader, and for that reason we don't want to home school. Every day last year we would ask her how her day was, and she would say "boring." Next week she is starting a Montessori school that goes up to 6th grade. We are picking up and moving from a rural town in Iowa two hours away so she can have that opportunity.- Leomarth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1My wife and I are going to homeschool our children when they are old enough. But we're going to socialize them in other ways, through sports, scouting and other activities. As well as there being plenty of socializing just letting them run around the neighborhood with other children after school hours. Don't worry about the socialization. It's just a red-herring that people like to throw out when homeschooling is discussed.
- AceLy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Some... No... Most Children Left Behind
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