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- Semirhage527, on 06/02/2008, -1/+52Thank you Newsweek!!! It's about damn time the MSM started calling Hillary on this bold-faced LIE.
- diggeradoo, on 06/02/2008, -1/+44Hillary ... stretching the truth ... telling fabrications ... come on! Can't be!
- Kashabear, on 06/02/2008, -1/+35Yes, thank you Newsweek! Maybe more of the msm will start telling the truth about this blatant lie, and the fact that we do not select the candidate based on popular vote!!
I get a laugh how the candidate who proclaims to be championing the "count all the votes" message has no problem with NOT counting all the votes in order to try to claim the title. That is the definition of hypocrisy. - tcbishop12, on 06/02/2008, -1/+33Smoke and mirrors, half-truths, lies and deception. If we get this demagoguery (as we have, continually) from the Clinton campaign, what could we possibly expect from another Clinton presidency?
No thank you, Hillary. No thank you very much. - jbdobd, on 06/02/2008, -1/+30she misspoke!
- bluevillage, on 06/02/2008, -1/+24How could she sell anything as commander-in-chief? She starts out a worse liar than even George W Bush was.
- LloydBentsen, on 06/02/2008, -1/+24Was the cigar reference intentional?
- SheilaNoya, on 06/02/2008, -1/+19Hillary supporters needed a disclaimer on those signs they were all carrying...
COUNT ALL THE VOTES
(unless they're in caucus states that Obama won, or any votes for Obama in Michigan) - soccerman90, on 06/03/2008, -0/+16basically,
- Clinton is counting Puerto Rico, but they dont vote in the general election
- She is counting Michigan, even though obama's name wasnt on the ballet
- Caucases dont report a popular vote, and obama won alot of those
altogether this means obama is destroying clinton in the popular vote, super delegates, delegates and states won. He is leading the national gallup pole on who could most likely beat mccain. but you can still lie to yourself if you want coughhillarycough - jforjools, on 06/02/2008, -1/+15After the very last primaries, the only way she can 'lead' is she counts Puerto Rico *and* Michigan (with zero votes to Obama.)...So, even if you give her Puerto Rico, she still needs to hold on to the belief that *zero* Michigan voters wanted Obama. (And still have to blow off the caucus voters.)
...so how again is it that this respects 'each vote cast'??
I hope this is all over tomorrow night. there is sooo much repair work to do in the party. And Clinton truly has bloodied up her opponent. (I'll take my words back when obama wins in Nov...and then I'll gladly say that their fight made him a stronger candidate. Til then, I still believe that she made 'fair game' out of a lot of stuff that the GOP would not have been able to touch--not without her touching it first.) - Arishia, on 06/02/2008, -1/+11Ugh, the spin....Out Hillary, and out gracefully, if that is even possible. What really cracks me up is that Clinton had the majority of members on the rules and bylaws committee that set the schedule for the primary process AND make the decision later about MI and FL, and all the Clinton machine her husband built, and the name recognition, and her husband's popularity, and more money (initially); all this to her advantage, and STILL she lost. Now she cries foul, whipping up her supporters to make a decision in November that is against their own interests, threatening the stability of entire party. Was all this really necessary? And to what purpose?
- VinnieDaMac, on 06/03/2008, -0/+10Some Clinton supporter started harassing me after a comment I posted:
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3338/clintonsup ... - gannondork, on 06/03/2008, -0/+9Finally a politician that doesn't let facts and the truth get in their way.
- happyseamonster, on 06/03/2008, -2/+9Monica has that cigar.
- gochuupsuh, on 06/03/2008, -0/+7We don't need another president who's willing to sacrifice the truth to get their own agenda across..
- Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -1/+8What is so sad, is that after turning this primary into an ugly low down gutter level fight, Hillary has polarized her own party.
Obama will go into the general with a divided base of support. Hillary would go in with an even more divided base of support.
She has nearly made this a lose-lose proposition.
She is the epitome of a spoiler.
Let's all hope McCain continues with his gaffes. - sulthernao, on 06/03/2008, -0/+5It's probably a McCain troll....cuz it certainly doesn't sound like any 28 year old female.
- D3koy, on 06/03/2008, -0/+5Look, if you only count the votes you want Clinton is cleaning up....
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+5She doesn't care whether zero Michigan voters wanted Obama or not.
All she cares about is that she tricked him into taking his name off the ballot, and she got the votes that he might have received.
In her mind, it isn't cheating unless you get caught. To her, it is like switching the chess pieces when your opponent goes to the bathroom.
That sucker never should have gone to the bathroom. Serves him right!
(I've known sociopaths like that throughout my life. They truly do not have the same sense of right and wrong that we normal people have.) - Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4Many will vote for Obama.
Many will simply not vote at all.
I cannot tell you how many times I have heard I will not vote for a black man. Or I will not vote for a muslim.
Ignorance is bliss, till it bites you in the ass. - scairborn, on 06/03/2008, -1/+5About time someone called her on her *****.
- Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4I'm still a republican, though on the far right Libertarian fringe you guys are trying to push into the Democratic or Independent party.
Did anyone ever tell you to keep your mouth shut, because once it is open EVERYONE will know how stupid you are?
Really, go look up Obama's real life. He isn't a Muslim. A pissed off African American sure, but not a Muslim. And while everyone screams about him and Michelle hating America, well guess what. Just because we all like hearing the nominees make those "America is great" speeches, doesn't mean it is true. They are all on crack if they actually believe them. We have problems, the sooner we wake up and realize that fact the sooner we can fix them, and I would rather have someone pissed off in there dealing with them rather then a politician blowing smoke up my ass while he spends the time screwing up by the numbers.
I'm voting for Obama, though I hate most of his give the money away fiscal and foreign policies, they aren't much worse considering the Republican parties inability to use money wisely. I mean come one, bribing 200 some warlords to achieve the Surge for the election? Weak. Anyone with a brain knows why they gave Petraeus CentCom, he gave Bush an election year lull, despite the fact it was a short term solution. At least Obama has a record of reform in Illinois and the transparency act in the senate. And he realizes, we don't have the balls to stay in the Middle East and deal with their problems. We aren't the World War 2 generation, we are their spoiled grandchildren.
I respect McCain's record, I even understand that he was just playing the game in DC like everyone else.
BUT, McCain and Hillary are the epitome of what is wrong with Washington, they are true POLITICIANS, in every nasty way that word can be considered.
Turn your anger at the Republicans, start screaming at them to recognize that they need to return to their roots, because where I am sitting they are just another flavor of Democrat. I was willing to go along with them while they preached their message and give them a chance. THEY FAILED. The Republican Party is severely flawed, and if the Democrats weren't such a joke, excluding Obama and a few select others, I would switch parties. If the Libertarians make up a true 3rd party I WILL SWITCH.
Thankfully I can vote for Obama, and Republican Senators and Congressmen. God Bless America allowing me to temper our national leaders with a little bit of the other side. - PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4She doesn't care how it is done, as long as she can steal this nomination away from Obama.
Even including the florida votes, where at least both candidates were even on the ballot, but didn't campaign, Obama leads her by 134,746 votes.
She's hoping people are stupid, or so blindly faithful to her that they don't care about honesty, and claims that because of the votes in Michigan, where Obama wasn't even on the ballot. Except, even then, he still leads her by 44,605 votes.
In other words, that is more votes than for any primary candidate in history ... for Obama. - rameshpreddy, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4She sounds like my 3 year old when he does not get his matchbox cars after the haricut!! wah wah wah...
- Buckeye17, on 06/03/2008, -4/+8I LIKE TURTLES!
- scotticus, on 06/03/2008, -1/+5Several weeks ago I corrected a digger who called her a ***** for some reason or another. My argument at the time was that we, as a nation, needed to step above name calling and elevate our political dialog in a fashion that would move this country, in a bipartisan fashion, into the future. Sex, gender, or political affiliation should have little to do with the decisions we make. We stand on the precipice of peak oil (if it hasn't been reached already), the possibility of endless war, and unstable nations acquiring nuclear weaponry. Now is the time to elevate the discussion, and I felt at the time, that the political dialog should not be diminished by name calling.
To whomever I chastized: I deeply apologize. This bitch is a ***** *****. I humbly kneel before you in Hilary Clinton's *****. I would proudly elect a female president, but in the words of Chris Rock, I state: just not this one. - ChileanGoD, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3http://images.usefulzero.com/d/302
- EnviroChem, on 05/22/2009, -0/+3Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the general election because it is only a territory. To get a vote it needs to become a state. This is also true with other territories like the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, American Simona, etc. This is where Obama's 57 state misstatement came from, between the 50 states, the territories and Washington D.C. there are something like 57 primaries and caucuses.
There are basically three options for Puerto Rico they can: remain a territory and not have the right to vote in the general election; become a state and get to vote in general elections; or become an independent country. Each option has pluses and minuses that the citizens of Puerto Rico must weigh. Personally I'd like them to either decide to become a state or strike out on their own. Them remaining a territory seems to leave them in a state of limbo.
Hillary's talk about allowing Puerto Rico to vote in the general election is really just political pandering that she wouldn't follow through on. - inactive, on 06/03/2008, -1/+4Don't believe the ***** media spin that Hilary fans won't vote for Obama or will vote for McCain. No democrat is gonna vote for McCain.
- inactive, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3Who wants a liar for president?
- lozzobear, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3I see what you did there subby, what with the Clinton and the cigar and the funny.
/Approves.
//Surprised we haven't seen it more! - LordSnooze, on 06/03/2008, -0/+3here is the link in the image above:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24798368#2 ... - Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -1/+3It's about the lesser of the evils.
When you hear McCain and Hillary talk about experience, that is political speak for I know how to fleece you 100 times worse then Obama. - Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2Knowing how Bill balanced the budget with billions in intergovernmental loans from the social security administration (you know the SSA everyone is financially worried about), I don't need to take much time to look at her campaigns fiscal policy in the primary to understand where she would go with a national budget.
- toddhenkel, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2Watched part of the Democratic Rules meeting over the weekend (yeah bad weekend). Interesting that it is not mentioned often how the party that cried foul so much about the Electoral College in recent elections has just as convoluted process internally. Not that they will, but superdelegates could actually override a popular vote? Scary. And not democratic by the true definition any more than the Electoral College. Both need to be overhauled. Where's the outcry these people count more than you and I?
- inactive, on 06/03/2008, -1/+3They don't vote in the general election in any capacity.
- More4, on 06/03/2008, -1/+3goodby hildog!
- raybury, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2Don't respond to dishonesty with dishonesty! Newsweek is making a stretch to count votes that were never cast for Obama. Those are exactly the arguments the Clintons are trying to elicit with their ad.
- LloydBentsen, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Yeah, I made the comment before reading the article, which is normally not condoned here. I then got to the bottom, and well, yeah, saw that it was changed from how it appears on Digg with the original title.
- EnviroChem, on 05/22/2009, -0/+2The original title on the Newsweek article was "no cigar" but it was changed to "not quite" due to an unintended reference to Bill's oval office misdeeds involving a cigar. There is a note at the bottom of the article about the title change.
- PhilLesh69, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2Yeah, what she meant to say was that we should all just wait and hope for Obama's assassination.
She knows it will happen. Really. Just wait. Please, won't someone do it? She's already asked obliquely. Does she have to come right out and say it??? - yellowsnowcone, on 06/03/2008, -2/+4basically, Obama should be winning by a far wider margin, but he isn't.
How is he stronger relative to Clinton when the margin is so narrow that you have tons of ink being spilled on who has the popular vote?
He should be kicking her ass but isn't. - soccerman90, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1im watching MSNBC right now and the new story at the bottom says
New Poll: Barack Obama 47%, Jogn McCain 44%
so obama is beating both Hillary and McCain - inactive, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1Because he knows they turn out to vote, it's just pandering. The same thing Democrats do with illegal immigration.
- gwayo, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1I heart Andrew Romano. He's been pointing this out from the moment the Popular Vote Claim became a Hillary mantra. I only wish this was a memo sent out to all those still loudly and doggedly proclaiming that HILLARY WON THE POPULAR VOTE!! LIKE, THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!! LIKE, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN [underline caps] DISENFRANCHISED [unlike those caucusgoers who are just friggin activists who have been manipulated by them Obama people and thus don't really count]!! GRRR!!! We Are Angry! Evil Dems! We Will Now Vote For McCain Because We Hate Obama Who Is Like The Worst Disenfranchisermisogynist E-ver!
- soccerman90, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1that pole you show is extremely close. But in a pole between obama and clinton, obama is winning
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107485/Gallup-Daily-Oba ... - aigulf, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1I was wary...but it was well worth the click.
- joot2112, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1You have it backwards - Clinton was the shoo-in. She was the recognizable one, the one with big-pocket funding, the one everyone called a year ago. Obama is a 1st term senator, a black man, a man with a funny name. That he has made it as far as he has versus speaks volumes for his strategy. I look forward to someone of his caliber leading our country.
- cyberprunes, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1perception is 9/10ths of reality. Clinton's are masters of shaping reality. They almost pulled it off.
If the Obama campaign didn't run such a superb campaign it would be Clinton on top.
Barack Obama, a black man. a 1st term US Senator, a virtually unknown before the primary, a long shot by every margin has defeated the mighty Clintons. That is impressive to say the least. - Naieve, on 06/03/2008, -0/+1I hate to say it, but we need to elect agents of change in Congress and the Senate first. Imagine we had elected Ron Paul. What would he accomplish? Both the Democrats AND Republicans would be against him, except maybe 1/5 of the Republicans. He would achieve nothing as special interest motivated Congressmen and Senators laughed at his proposals.
Then comes the other fact, it takes alot of money to run for office.
We need Election Law Reforms.
We need to take the money out of the equation. -
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