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- Durthalion, on 01/01/2008, -1/+110Do they not realize that by saying this people will be more likely to recorded it?
- stealthc, on 01/01/2008, -4/+79If you live in Iowa... Bring a camcorder and plenty of tape. Primaries are particularly vulnerable to tampering. If they have nothing to hide, why resist the cameras?
- magoghm, on 01/01/2008, -6/+79Paranoia is the unreasoning and unreasonable fear that people are out to get you. If people are, in fact, out to get you, your fear is neither unreasoning nor unreasonable, and you are obviously not paranoid.
So, let's see, can there be a group of people willing to attempt something extreme in order to get their candidate elected President of the United States? Obviously, the answer is yes. So, making sure they can't do it isn't paranoia, it is just being careful. - ad33lshahid, on 01/01/2008, -7/+77sometimes i wake up and can't believe that i'm living in the same america that i was 10 years ago. When will the american government stop using fear to dictate the actions of its citizens, or better yet, when will the general public wizen up to these tactics?
- Rotzooi, on 01/01/2008, -4/+46You have just described what would happen in a fascist state. Congratulations, you've gone beyond apathy and actually started to support the regime.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -5/+45You forgot the part where the article doesn't even mention Ron. Herkimer seems to be seeing things, or trying to make some sort of conspiracy theory out of it. Wait, does that mean he is a Ronbot himself?
- epicstruggle, on 01/01/2008, -11/+44It is time to get rid of Iowa/NH's first in the nation caucus/primary. (sorry for going off topic)
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -5/+38I'm sorry but if you think for a second that these caucuses are perfect, you're dead wrong. EVERYTHING should be transparent. With the importance that is placed on something like this, it should be in everyone's interest to expose any corruption and video tape the hell out of these things.
- adam1mc, on 01/01/2008, -7/+36The obsessive nature of an idiot never fails to amaze me either. Herkimer you are still a loser.
- Herostratus, on 01/01/2008, -3/+30Wow Herk and I had always thought that you were just stupid or uninformed. You really believe in this crap. Wow. You ARE who we are fighting.
- pateo, on 01/01/2008, -4/+30Who's talking about Ron Paul? Man, and you're calling US paranoid...
- BassMastr, on 01/01/2008, -3/+28What could possibly be wrong with a small group of people having a huge influence over the future of who the rest of the country gets to vote for.
- draculthemad, on 01/01/2008, -1/+25When the government knows the people's every move, its tyranny.
When the people knows the governments every move, its DEMOCRACY. - Toshibi, on 01/01/2008, -6/+28Herkimer, why would anyone starve to death? It would be in my best interest to insure that I have food, hence would attempt to gain food in some way. People that refused to find food, would learn quickly either they need to trade some skill for what I can produce or find their own food. It's really that simple. Oh, and don't forget, we're human, so if someone were hurt or unable to find food, I would happily give up some of what I find to help them...because that's what people do....just let me decide how I want to use my labor, not you.
- gmyerz, on 01/01/2008, -3/+25Why does Iowa always get to be first on the schedule? This should be a rotating type of system. Very unfair.
- badqat, on 01/01/2008, -4/+25No kidding...I'd like to see one "super Tuesday" where the entire nation votes on the same day.
- BelXul, on 01/01/2008, -5/+26Black Box Voting's establishment is not a result of the Ron Paul movement, but rather they formed while investigating problems with the ballots in the past few elections. In the 2004 election, they found evidence of fraud in the trash only days after the ballots were cast which is in violation of Federal Law which requires the records to be retained for a while. What would have happened if Kerry said, "I demand a recount of Iowa's votes"? They'd go in not finding the records because they were thrown out.
For anyone interested in what it is that Black Box Voting does, there is a documentary that covers it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPXer7946E - Factionrider, on 01/01/2008, -2/+21It's a different story when you're recording the GOVERNMENT. The government is responsible to the people in everything it does, therefor the government should have zero reasonable expectation of privacy in any situation that does not directly effect national security. Also, anything hidden by national security should be fully accessible for review by congress.
- Toshibi, on 01/01/2008, -0/+19So, you mean actually showing an interest or caring about what people are doing behind the scenes is somehow an obstruction? Considering the fact that the press won't do it's job to keep us informed or to watch out for the people, we have to take it into our own hands. Granted, I wouldn't do this, but I find it a good thing that others are willing to make the people counting the votes responsible.
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." - Joseph Stalin - adam1mc, on 01/01/2008, -1/+20Do you ever think about what you say before you say it?
You're a moron and it shows with every post - BelXul, on 01/01/2008, -5/+22Use of fear to influence a populace was called WHAT again?
Terrorism.
Kinda funny how 'it's okay if the government does it'. - inactive, on 01/01/2008, -4/+20I wonder if people ever think about what they say before they say it. That was perhaps the dumbest fascist thing I've ever heard.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -6/+22Nobody keep these caucuses honest or anything.....Give me a break, everyone bring video cameras.
- jaymzdean, on 01/01/2008, -2/+18Herkimer...
1. Choke
2. Die - Nothlit, on 01/01/2008, -2/+17If your boss, family member, or friend wanted to know how you voted, they wouldn't have to depend on a camera -- they could just show up at the caucus and watch for themselves.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -1/+16@Herkimer56
So you are saying that you believe in a "Nanny State," right?
After all, you trust other people to look out for _your_ best interests... - Toshibi, on 01/01/2008, -2/+17Herkimer, besides charity, Ron Paul has already stated that he would not take entitlements from those dependent upon them. And honestly, he's proposing a way to keep the country from continuing to bleed money through foreign entanglements so that those entitlement programs will be continued. Consider that the annual rate of increase for cost of living in Social Security is actually less than inflation, by making our money less inflatable he would make those with fixed incomes money go further year after year, while at the same time protecting what has already been paid in and allowing the young to opt out, keeping their own money to use as they see fit (7.5 to 15% of your pay a year depending on employment status means you can invest and save in a way you choose.) His ideas also say nothing of state programs that could be implemented. While I disagree with most entitlement programs from the word go, I think it's better to decrease atleast the power of one level of government.
- gquaglia, on 01/01/2008, -8/+23The major problem is Iowa is not a good cross section of Americana. Too much emphasis is placed on this rather insignificant state.
- adam1mc, on 01/01/2008, -1/+15Show the law which you state..
Or can you? You are probably just talking out of your fat ass like ususal - inactive, on 01/01/2008, -4/+18Ask questions, demand answers, or the real terrorists have won.
- 89992, on 01/01/2008, -3/+16The very nature of a caucus is that its not private at all.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -0/+13If Ron Paul is in bed with anyone besides his wife, I'd be very surprised. A candidate can't control what groups support him. They support him, he doesn't support them.
being in bed for votes and having a base of enthusiastic supporters which includes questionable groups or people are two entirely different things. Once again, they support him and his views, he doesn't support their causes. - adam1mc, on 01/01/2008, -5/+17Haha.. Do you really think this? OMG you are such an idiot. But I do admit.. It gives me a good laugh. I've never actually met anyone that is quite as ignorant as you Herk.
Just ignore him everyone. Or if anything go into his profile and just bury all his stupid comments.
We don't need stupidity on Digg. - johnpaul191, on 01/01/2008, -3/+15I'm sure they can always cook up some excuse about terrorism. you get hassled for taking snapshots of a friend in front of a bridge now, even when there are probably 10,000 pictures of that same bridge online.
- adam1mc, on 01/01/2008, -2/+14I challenge you to prove your theory *****. I can find freaks that support every single one of the candidates. Are you so moronic as to criticize a candidate based off the people who support him?
You know Herkimer... For someone who hates Ron Paul so much.. you sure do seem to read and comment on every story that comes out about him.
Don't you have a life what-so-ever? - inactive, on 01/01/2008, -6/+18when herkimers megaphone goes off he rushes to disinfo the violator. he is a megaphone boy!!!
- whahaa, on 01/01/2008, -0/+11no one is saying to use the cams to track voters. all the article is suggesting is that iowa voters should record the precinct results which are tabulated on site. again, the article is not suggesting anyone point a camera at a voting booth, only the vote counters. this is to ensure that when the caucus results are released days later that they actually match the precinct results and that no bait and switch was performed.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -29/+40Of course they don't want people filming the caucuses. These things aren't like the general election. People are NOT voting in booths in privacy. I think there is a gross misunderstanding on how caucuses operate. Here's an excerpt explaining the democrat ones:
"Participants indicate their support for a particular candidate by standing in a designated area of the caucus site (forming a "preference group"). An area may also be designated for undecided participants. "
Would you really want someone filming who you are supporting at all times? If these videos landed on the internet, anyone in the community (be it a boss, family member, friend) could see how you voted. Ever heard of voter intimidation?
This isn't a conspiracy. It's about privacy. Buried. - urbandistrict, on 01/01/2008, -0/+11Let me point out the contradictions in your statement for you. In both of your posts you are the aggressor by resorting to name-calling rather than presenting an argument as to how people are "allowed to intimidate or otherwise prevent people from coming to the polls and freely voting". Personally if someone were to discretely record a polling (regardless of their politics) I would have no qualms with it. After all, isn't to our benefit? In a democratic society we all should have a fair-shake. Also if I am not mistaken, unless signs are posted you can freely film anything. News broadcasters can enter pollings for their footage, citizen's should have the right as well.
- adam1mc, on 01/01/2008, -2/+13You are such a tool. Do you not realize that you have contradicted yourself in the same digg comment section. Just above you said that people that come to the polls with cameras will be greeted with Police officers.. implying a police run election.
But here you say they are run by the local party (which IS correct). This just goes to show that you are so full of ***** and you can't keep your own crap straight - njcarlos, on 01/01/2008, -4/+14The use of tin foil hats in your comment doesn't make sense... you're claiming we are conspiracy junkies yet you're clearly stating individuals conspire to commit election fraud. Having trouble with a coherent argument? Regardless, you don't justify something so underhanded and detrimental to everything our country stands for because we have the "Electoral College" in place... What you'll come to realize is that many of the top candidates from these primaries will be propelled into the national spotlight based on their performance.
- Wacer, on 01/01/2008, -3/+13That is lame. Saying that "there is still electorate means that the rest if can be corrupt", is stupid. I don't know if this corruption is really happening but there should be no corruption at all. Are you trying do defend people breaking the law?
- Toshibi, on 01/01/2008, -3/+13What the ***** does Israel have to do with any of this? For ***** sake, some people have one track minds. Should we fund Israel, no. Should we fund any nation? No. Should we fight for any other nation? No. Seriously, grow up kid and quit thinking you're cool by hanging out at Neo-Nazi sites.Hate is such wasted energy.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -0/+10OMFG, the idea is to video the tallied results for the whole precinct; not the individual's vote; it's still anonymous.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -4/+13They haven't been scrutinized up till this point so it's about time we keep people honest. If you don't have a DV cam, rent one!
- hansolo, on 01/01/2008, -3/+1210 years ago and beforehand - they were using the Soviets as bogeymen.
After all this is the same country that interned the japanese-americans based on unfounded fears.
its an age-old tradition of those in political power. - jaymzdean, on 01/01/2008, -4/+13Whoever thinks cameras should not be allowed anywhere near where voting takes place should have a Polaroid shoved up his ass.
- Tpatch, on 01/01/2008, -1/+10I work for a paper in Iowa, and we'll be recording/photographing all around Iowa Thursday.
- Minarchian, on 01/01/2008, -6/+15Tough
The process is too important than that ***** argument. - koreth, on 01/01/2008, -0/+9I'm not a Paul supporter but I can see the different between close observation of an election process with an evidence trail and wholesale monitoring of citizens going about their daily business.
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