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New evidence suggests second shooter killed RFK

rawstory.com — Forty years after Democratic rising star Robert F. Kennedy was killed at a Los Angeles hotel during his presidential run, new evidence suggests the man serving a life sentence for his murder did not fire the shots that killed the charismatic senator.

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  • quakerorts, on 03/27/2008, -4/+19If you listen to this, you'll wonder how Sirhan was ever convicted in the first place:
    http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=8965
    • ISIfunded911, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Also type Robert Kennedy in emule for documentaries about his assassination.
    • CoolWind, on 03/27/2008, -5/+1Sirhan was programmed by a hypnotist to kill Kennedy and he doesn't remember any of it. So he is innocent, even though he shot the gun. Does anybody really care?
      • digitalhair, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2what?!?! A lot of people that care about the freedom to speak their minds and to safely participate in influencing the moral direction of our country without having to worry about being brutally murdered for blowing the whistle on corruption CARE!!! get the ***** out of my country, you twit!
    • ssn697, on 03/28/2008, -1/+4This has ALWAYS been the one conspiracy theory that made me say "WTF". Just the bullet holes made you wonder how they ever came to the conclusion they did.

      This was one conspiracy/bad investigation that was real...
    • carlosglz, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Even though I wasn't even born yet when he died, this speech makes me long for the type of leadership he could offer our nation today:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Vll-t0H6A
    • fedupamerica, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Blame George Bush!
  • eltolete, on 03/27/2008, -4/+60A charismatic leader being killed and a patsy being blamed? I can't believe it!
    /s
    • WilliamDavis, on 03/27/2008, -19/+2You conspiracy theory people are kooks. I work for the government, and I have to take phone calls from you people all of the time. Just stop it, already.
      • argusbargus, on 03/27/2008, -1/+13"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan
    • tim36145, on 03/27/2008, -9/+0Why is this guy buried for a rational response to everyone else's conspiracy wackjob response?
      • bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -1/+7because conspiracy is the rule, not the exception...

        List a white collar crime and you have a list of conspiracy...

        Enron,
        Insider Trading (Martha Stewart for example)
        Gasoline price fixing
        Lobbyists
        Kickbacks
        Torture Policy
        War "Intelligence"
        Any number of the financial filtering and political policy writing think tanks (Cato, Jinsa, PNAC, all of whom are run by cheney, bush, wolfowitz, murdoch and the like)

        Your current government is conspiracy in action and people still sit back with a blank look on their face repeating bush's "conspiracy theorist" line as though there's no such thing.
      • wakananda, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3What's "rational" about calling people with differing views "kooks" and telling them to shut up? Wielding a club under the banner of "rationalism" does not make one rational. On the contrary, it'sthe epitome of magical thinking.
    • chase001, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2That's the CIA's MO.
  • ChristPissed, on 03/27/2008, -12/+31The New York Times is holding onto evidence that implicates Nixon and George Bush, Sr. in the murder of JFK, why no story from the shifty Old Grey Lady?
    • chall85, on 03/27/2008, -2/+3what is that evidence? is it the George Magazine evidence?
    • SoxSweepAgain, on 03/27/2008, -6/+3Because, you know, they're the damn "libruhl Meedya".
    • digitalhair, on 03/27/2008, -3/+3all I need to know is that JFK's assassination was an inside job that has direct relation to the neocon establishment we see today. This short video leaked on youtube depicting Kennedy's last moments before he was assassinated has turned my world upside down - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6741103875 ...
      It defies all logic, and has not been reported on in the mainstream media.
      • ssn697, on 03/28/2008, -1/+2thanks. thanks a lot for trivializing an actual questionable investigation with your paranoid *****.

        Grow a sack, go to the grocery store today...
        • digitalhair, on 03/28/2008, -1/+1ok dicknose, if it turns out that the security guard protecting RF Kennedy WAS a/THE second shooter can I safely assume your conclusion will be that Sirhan Sirhan "acted ALONE" ??? The JFK assassination and RFK assassination couldn't POSSIBLY be connected, right??? If people did not suspect a conspiracy, this article wouldn't be newsworthy...but it STINKS of conspiracy which is why I've been compelled to investigate. To the contrary, I think it is logical and prudent to consider a deeper political conspiracy as one of the primary motivations for the killings, and i think it is highly plausible that both men were assassinated for political and not personal reasons given the confluence of the video evidence, forensic testimony, and contextual circumstances supporting a common motive -- evidence you can view with your own eyes in that VIDEO i linked to that - I have a hunch - you were too scared to watch. I think the behavior on that video is pretty hard to explain, and I'm skeptical as to why it hasn't been discussed until recently. By all means, somebody please explain it to me...
  • S0L0, on 03/27/2008, -9/+2uh oh...
  • praha, on 03/27/2008, -15/+7Right theory, wrong Kennedy, IMHO
    • wtfunkymonkey, on 03/27/2008, -0/+15Hey now, nothing says that it can't be both.
    • bosssmiley, on 03/27/2008, -1/+6"Hey, it worked on his brother; let's try it on him too..."
    • Atomic05, on 03/27/2008, -3/+3JFK may have been politically assassinated, but there was nothing strange about the way it was done. All of the forensic evidence points to having been shot from the book depository by a single man with a bolt action rifle. The grassy knoll shooter and other theories might as well be myths.
      • CoolWind, on 03/27/2008, -1/+4Thanks for clearing that up. I'm sure nobody who reads your brilliant comment will have any doubt that you are right.
      • GhostRidr, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4Ever heard of Mac Wallace? Probably not. He was a known LBJ henchman, and convicted murderer. His fingerprint was found in the sniper's nest. Now tell me that's not strange.
      • bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -3/+6All the forensic evidence points to a second gun... seriously, ALL of it...
        I'm not sure what forensic evidence you were looking at, but the evidence I saw was an immaculate bullet fired at an impossible rate from the given gun model which travelled an obscenely implausible path.

        All the while CIA operatives from the time have since come out and SAID it was a planned murder and have even fingered a number of operatives (Such as Cord Meyer, Mac Wallace and Charles Harrelson) as well as painted a fairly vivid picture of the scene (including links to LBJ on many different sides)
        • Atomic05, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1A- The bullet was far from immaculate when found. Look at actual pictures of the bullet and you can see that for yourself.
          B- The rate of fire for a bolt action rifle of the type Oswald used was well within the evidence presented in the film. To top it off Oswald was an excellent marksman. Both of these are evidenced my Oswald's old military training records and demonstrations of the rifle's capabilities when used by competent handlers.
          C- When the victims are placed how they were seated in the car at their proper elevations (they were not sitting straight forward when shot and their seats were not identical) the bullet does not follow an impossible path. It travels almost in a straight line.
      • Akufen, on 03/28/2008, -1/+1Nothing strange?? How does your head swing backwards with brains flying out the same direction when shot from behind? And why did they steal his body and change the bullet wounds to the head? Hm? How ***** naive do you need to be to swallow that *****?
        • Atomic05, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1If you could point to evidence that the body was stolen and the bullet wounds somehow altered I may give your argument credence. However, until you do, I'm afraid that you're the one who's been swallowing *****.
          • Akufen, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1If that makes you feel better, by all means assume as much.

            Watch "JFKII - The Bush Connection" on google video. And keep Howard Hunt's confession in the back of your head when you do.
  • wtfunkymonkey, on 03/27/2008, -14/+6The Pruszynski recording;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
    • TheDiceMan, on 03/27/2008, -2/+5Look at the 'uuiU' in the URL there - hmmmmm, I wonder what that could be

      *clicks to be sure*

      *****!
  • xsecretfiles, on 03/27/2008, -4/+11A bit too late...just a little
    • bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1might be early enough to stop history from repeating itself this election
  • Spankov, on 03/27/2008, -3/+39Not really new evidence. This has been known since the event, it was just ignored. Maybe one day the American people will wake up and demand answers and justice instead of blindly swallowing every lie in front of them for fear of being branded 'unpatriotic' or 'unamerican'.
    • jgzman, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3Don't hold your breath.
    • nkassi, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2and another person asking for the American People to wake up. Someone needs to tell Starbucks to have 4 shots in their latte.
    • PolishLogic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Your comment is a conspiracy.
  • CraigReed, on 03/27/2008, -3/+7Now if someone can just invent a time machine we can go fix this mess.
    • robotto, on 03/27/2008, -4/+1[Insert making jackasses and douches not being born joke]
    • ScottyMcBaggs, on 03/27/2008, -2/+1Screw messes, I'd prefer to just do the nasty in the pasty...
  • SoxSweepAgain, on 03/27/2008, -3/+21I truly feel that there was a huge turning point in this country after:
    1) Eisenhower's goodbye speech on the MIC
    2) Kennedy's election and assassination
    3) LB Johnson's "Texas Democrat" ascendency
    4) MLK, RFK and Malcolm X's assassinations
    5) The Viet Nam attempt.

    • timrob, on 03/27/2008, -2/+14You left out:
      6) George W steals an election he had no right to win, with an accomplice Governor who just happens to be his brother. I feel this crime (here I mean his whole Presidency of lies and deceit) perpetrated on the US (and thus the whole world), far outweighs all above.
      • nycmac247, on 03/27/2008, -1/+5the rails needed to be greased first; Cheney is no Kissenger
        (although they still can appoint him as head of the 9/11 commission LOL)
        • CoolWind, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1What does "Cheney is no Kissenger" mean?
          • slipgrid, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Kissenger murdered many more people than Cheney.
      • bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -2/+3but but... we... we can't be conspiracy theorists remember!

        they believe in little green men and faked moon landings! *cue spooky music*
        yeah they've used time honoured methods of manipulation to free themselves from scrutiny...

        So much so that conspiracy after conspiracy people sit back afraid to speak up incase they're labelled a "UFO nut" or whatever... White collar crime is at an all time high and we're all pretending that people don't collude to achieve a goal
        • wakananda, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3It's the psychology of abuse. Much like a dysfunctional family in which speaking -or even being aware of- the abuse is taboo, the family is insular and considers itself "special" (or exceptional), and all those outside the family (who might shed light on the abusive activity and put it into some ethical perspective) are considered "the enemy." Denouncing "conspiracy theorists," and the mere act of letting such a blanket denunciation of alternative views pass as normal or appropriate, is *itself* colluding in the abuse that is taking place.
  • moolaismyfriend, on 03/27/2008, -18/+3This is ***** retarded

    Come on guys get with it.
    • Bushlied, on 03/27/2008, -2/+6Na it about time you get with it. Sheeple are for slaughtering.
  • digganbrew, on 03/27/2008, -11/+3next up, the grassy knoll
  • nycmac247, on 03/27/2008, -14/+22November 30th, 2056, Associated Press:
    New Evidence Suggests Thermite Used in 9/11 2001;
    Molten metal seen cascading down exterior of tower, in ground pits for several months could not be caused by jet fuel.

    --- tell me something I don't know... _please_
    • SoxSweepAgain, on 03/27/2008, -6/+3The series of anomalies on that horrid, awful day are mind-boggling.
      Mind-boggling.
  • bromac, on 03/27/2008, -21/+7You're all tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists. Now where's why kool-aid.
    • Bushlied, on 03/27/2008, -4/+4And your a deluted fool. But whats new.
      • bromac, on 03/27/2008, -5/+2Sarcasm is obviously over your heads.

        I was playing the part of the deluded fool. Hence why I asked for kool-aid.

        But hey, let the burying begin.
        • CoolWind, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2"where's why kool-aid"? wth does that mean? Gotta digg you down bro.
        • dracostimpy, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Bushlied fails for "deluted" too. This thread is full of fail.
  • RomanThommassen, on 03/27/2008, -4/+4the zaprudr film was a fake:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6264396057 ...
    watch it before you disagree. The cia killed him anyway :(
    • GhostRidr, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1There are a lot of quacks in the JFK assassination research field, but even the best experts agree there was no faking. The time line of handling and witnesses to it's development and viewing just don't allow for manipulation.
  • aaroh, on 03/27/2008, -0/+5any info on the bodyguard?
  • Bushlied, on 03/27/2008, -13/+17And yet it's to far fetched to think 9/11 Was An inside job.
    • nixr, on 03/27/2008, -10/+8It's not that the concept of 9/11 being an inside job is far fetched. It's that every shred of "evidence" put forth supporting that claim is ***** crazy and completely unscientific.
      • Atomic05, on 03/27/2008, -1/+9Some of them don't hold water, I agree. But simply assuming all of them are "***** crazy" is stupid and ignorant. Some of them raise glaring red flags (like molten metal slag in the wreckage, complete failure of air defense networks, mysterious explosions in eyewitness accounts, etcetera) that quite frankly have been completely ignored by official investigations. Too many holes exist in this picture for me to accept it without question, and I would dearly love to see them solved with something other than, "Don't be such a troofer, fool."
      • dracostimpy, on 03/27/2008, -1/+7Many of the ***** crazy theories are put out there intentionally to discredit the credible theories by false association. I'd say CNN reporting that WTC7 fell as it was still standing behind them on camera rates at least a "Hmm?". If they received early warning that it was coming down and ran the story a bit too soon, doesn't that kinda imply that the building was wired? How can someone predict with such pinpoint accuracy the exact timing of a building collapse, especially when the damage to WTC7 was fairly insignificant? Explain how that's ***** crazy/unscientific.
        • PolishLogic, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2So now some conspiracy theories are part of the conspiracy? Holy ***** this stuff gets better by the day.

          Thank god people, especially in the media, never make mistakes. As for insignificant damage, I guess a 110 story building falling onto a smaller one should just make a scratch or two.
          • dracostimpy, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2BBC made the same mistake as CNN. Surprisingly, BBC lost their own tapes that confirm the timing of the eerily precognitious report. Kinda odd that they'd mishandle tapes of such monumental newsworthiness, dontcha think?

            http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/ ...
            http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/ ...

            That to me is quite a coincidence of mistaken reporting, OR maybe someone told them both in advance that it was coming down soon, in which case that person is the Nostradamus building collapse prognostication.

            From the 2nd link:
            "Building 7 stood 355 feet away from the north tower. Structures closer to the twin towers that were bombarded with debris and essentially hollowed out remained standing for weeks after 9/11, until they were demolished by explosive crews, whereas Building 7 suffered relatively little damage and yet imploded hours after the towers fell."
          • wakananda, on 03/27/2008, -0/+5Yes, Virginia, some "conspiracy theories" (like the holographic planes nonsense) are *planted* to make the legitimate public examination of the facts appear extreme and unreasonable. Just like the time-tested "cointelpro" operations, in which, for example, government agents are planted within protest groups, to incite violence, by which said groups may be discredited. This is information warfare 101.
          • spaceman77, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Indira Singh and Kevin McPadden (both first responders) are two brave people have come forward claiming that there was a twenty second countdown before the explosive collapse of WTC 7. Research this people and don't give up.
    • solid12345, on 03/27/2008, -7/+2Funny how people say Bush can't do anything right yet he pulled off the greatest hoax in history? Why can't he make Iraq work?
      • dpcamp, on 03/27/2008, -3/+2I love how 9/11 conspiracy theorists point the finger at Bush, does anyone if stop and think that he wasn't even in office less than a year when this happened?? Do you really think that's enough time to pull something like this off? If any of these theories have any truth behind them, Bush may have had something to do with it but if anything he was just a pawn
        • bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3It's only the PUBLIC offices that get shuffled around by public vote...
    • spaceman77, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3nixr your viewpoint is too black and white.
  • diggingaround, on 03/27/2008, -8/+8kinda like a mini 9/11 operation..
  • chanop, on 03/27/2008, -10/+4My tin-foil hat is ringing
    • Bushlied, on 03/27/2008, -2/+8na thats your pea size brain rolling around in the bucket you call a head.
  • Bushlied, on 03/27/2008, -2/+10The funny thing is that even JFK said in his speech that their is a criminal organization intent on ruling the world. But what does he know. I mean come on, that preposterous, Kennedy being killed for what? Here evidence for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exv6ZR8McsM
    • ElAssoWipo, on 03/27/2008, -1/+4JFK gave complete political immunity to the CIA and funded the assassination of Iraq's entire intellectual elite to put the Baath party in power (Saddam's party). He did the same in Cuba and in a few other south american countries.

      That was his greatest mistake. Because once that was done, they could kill him and put the puppet regime in place and control everything themselves. And wouldn't you know it, just a few years later, the man who was president of the CIA at the time became president of the United States. Except now he had allies all over the place, such as the Mujahideen, led by Osama Ben Laden and many drug cartels.

      And somehow, one of the greatest pacifist revolutions this world has ever known simply melted away within three years, during war time.
      • PolishLogic, on 03/27/2008, -3/+1You forgot the "maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnn" part of your comment.
  • whalt, on 03/27/2008, -15/+7Wow a convention of conspiracy theorists comes to the conclusion that there was a conspiracy. Amazing.
    • Bushlied, on 03/27/2008, -3/+6Ya and any deluted fool who believes anything the government says needs there head examined. Have you had your check up today.
    • nixr, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4I lol'd. I have no problem with conspiracy theories or the people who promote them as long as they are substantiated by facts. I think in the case of RFK there are several pieces of information that lend to a credible claim of conspiracy. I think when you also factor the circumstances surrounding the event and the political climate at the time, it's not much of a stretch to think that something fishy was going on. When you have three transformational figures murdered in a relatively short period of time, under similar circumstances, all with serious flaws in the official investigation, it's understandable that one might suspect a conspiracy.
  • unreg, on 03/27/2008, -3/+5Not a whole lot of explanation or links to explanations in that article. If you're going to counter the accepted story at least provide an argument.
  • jaymulder, on 03/27/2008, -4/+3You know you play too much WoW when you see RFK and think http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=491
  • ihavegerms, on 03/27/2008, -11/+5O.M.G. I KNEW [insert event] WAS AN INSIDE JOB! PON RAUL!!!
    • Bushlied, on 03/27/2008, -7/+3Great! Now that you've convinced yourself, spread your stupidity to someone else.
  • 140Suffolk, on 03/27/2008, -3/+3Wait. The article does not dispute that Sirhan Sirhan was in fact on the scene.
    With a gun. Which part said or implied that he was innocent?
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3You missed the point.....by a mile.
      • 140Suffolk, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1The article seemed to say that we've had the wrong man in prison all these years. But he can't be innocent if he was there with a loaded gun. If that is not the important point, don't hold back son. Inform me.
    • scoetrain, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3None. He shot RFK. But someone else MAY have also.
  • WilliamDavis, on 03/27/2008, -5/+1Van Praag is a psychic, for God's sake. What... did RFK speak to him from the dead?
  • markgl, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2always a second gunman is there.
  • philipl411, on 03/27/2008, -7/+2Hell I am in the wrong business. I need to go into the tin foil hat making business. Real scientist have proven it was the nut in jail
  • Look4Truth, on 03/27/2008, -0/+8You mean...the government lied to us?! Nah...
  • aajjcckk, on 03/27/2008, -6/+89/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!
    • bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Did you RTFA? they were talking about RFK...
  • worldinmyeyes, on 03/27/2008, -4/+29Wake up and rid yourself of the Matrix.

    - Political assassinations (with convenient patsies) of JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcom X, and John Lenon, among others.
    - Fingerprint scanning in major US airports to help fight "terrorism"
    - REAL ID scam (one step closer to what they really want - a microchipped population)
    - Comcast and other companies desiring to monitor you in your home 24/7 in the name of capitalism.
    - Telecoms in bed with the government, illegally spying on innocent Americans.
    - Poisons in our food (aspartame, hormones in milk, plus genetically modified foods)
    - Poisons in our water supply (fluoride, other chemicals and hormones)
    - Autism rates skyrocketing in past decades thanks to unsafe chemicals in immunization shots.
    - A "health care" system, obsessed with putting people on prescription drugs treating symptoms rather than dealing with the root causes of diseases.
    - Cancer rate went from 1 in 33 about 60 years ago in to 1 in 3 now. Hmm.
    - Fraudulant War on Drugs putting harmless Americans in a for-profit prison system.
    - Fraudulant War on Terror, taking our freedoms away. Both wars can never be "won."
    - Per the NY Times (10/28/93) and CBS News, the FBI knew all about the plot in the 1993 WTC bombing (killing 6 people), and decided (by supervisors order) not to stop it.
    - The subsequent downing of WTC 1, 2, and 7 were an inside job. OKC bombing too.
    - Operation Northwoods proves the CIA would use false flag terrorist events inside the USA to justify war. Oh, and that was over 40 years ago.
    - Global Warming being used as an excuse to further tax and control people and nations. Look at who is creating the hysteria, drowning out dissent, and then ask why. Research.
    - A corporately owned, lying, manipulative mainstream media - willfully distracting Americans from most truth.
    - In the future, don't count on the Internet being as unregulated as it is today.
    - Bush's grandfather Prescott was a traitor to America and directly supported/funded Hitler. Bush (and others) are deliberately destroying our country - not out of stupidity as supposed, but by design of some very cunning handlers.
    - FEMA (concentration) camps being built by Halliburton for future use.
    - A stupefying and deliberate attack on the American education system - dumbing people down, and failing to make them critcally think. This despite more and more money being spent. They know the education system sucks - it's what they want.
    - A Federal Reserve System that essentially controls the economy, conceived in subterfuge, desiring to bring us all into a cashless society where everything can be easily monitored. And how to do this? An economic collapse they helped cause, followed by their "solution."

    A lot to swallow? Sure it is. It took me a long time and countless hours of independent research (ongoing) to begin to understand that we have been lied to, presented a phony reality, and are being attacked on all fronts. You have to connect the dots and see how they are related. If you can't see it, you're blind, as I once was. You can dismiss these claims I make, of you can wake up, take the red pill, research, educate others, and take action. Thank you for reading.
    • silentboom, on 03/27/2008, -1/+7I've done months of research on a lot of the same items you mention and there is merit. It is moving out of conspiracy and on to being FACT! I suggest anyone do some research on one of these items and see what you find (look at both opinions openly). Scary scary stuff. Things have reasons, we never asked the questions, just trusted, now we pay for it.
      • bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -1/+5A lot of these things emerge as "conspiracy" and get laughed out until NY times runs an article on election fraud, gas price rigging, stock manipulation etc.... then it's in the mainstream...

        People seem to be waiting for some kind of CIA report to confirm their suspicions... They're told they can't think for themselves. They're told information has to reach a critical mass before it's able to be understood...
    • tim36145, on 03/27/2008, -10/+0You wouldnt happen to live under the bride downtown and scream about the world ending do you?
    • serif69, on 03/27/2008, -9/+2*dons foil hat and lights up another bowl* It's a CONSPIRACY man!
      • bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -1/+6Enron, Waterboarding, Illegal wiretapping, Insider Trading.

        Conspiracy happens all the time... It is the rule, not the exception. Keep your asinine comments to yourself in future if you want to avoid coming off as ignorant.
        • serif69, on 03/27/2008, -5/+2I only come off as ignorant to people who believe in idiotic conspiracy theories. I can deal with that, thanks.
        • bitcloud, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3read my comment again... read it slowly and read it carefully and then consider researching one of those topics.
          (try the news for a source)

          Then go and look up the word "conspiracy" - IN A DICTIONARY... don't look it up in your gut... your gut clearly doesn't understand what the term means.
    • drmobutu, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1You forgot to list the advent of the Internet, as a means for the government, among others, to monitor the activities of dissidents...
    • majorbabu, on 04/03/2008, -0/+1I love how the government planned the fall of the WTC towers and then used that as an excuse to bomb Iraq a few years later, when the connection between 9/11 and Iraq were clearly non-existenl. You'd think that if they'd planned such a crazy event, they would've at least been able to effectively use it as a proper false flag.
      The mysterious fall of WTC 7 all boils down to a firm understanding in the laws of physics rather then digging through obscure ancient documents (Operation Northwoods etc.) belonging to a completely different state of affairs (Hi Cold war).

      Global Warming has unfortunately boiled down to the debate of whether or not CO2 warms up the globe. Human activity has been known to cause massive harm to the environment for decades in other ways (Acid Rain, destroyed habitat, deforestation etc.) The Global warming controversy has sadly focused on the CO2 aspect of it, which has been difficult to prove for some reason, but has been mainly an irrelevant controversy given the presence of other harms pollution inflicts.
      The whole fiasco is akin to asking, "Hey if I pour sulfuric acid all over your body, would the fumes give you a headache?" Who cares about the headache? The acid would harm you sufficiently in other ways.
  • solid12345, on 03/27/2008, -9/+3Why does everything have to be a conspiracy? Lone deranged lunatics shoot up our schools and malls but it is so hard to believe they wouldn't do it to our leaders?
    • bitcloud, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2And groups of white collar criminals collude to control stock prices, wiretap citizens on a broad scale, rig elections, control politicians, spread misinformation about consumer goods (research Richard Berman for example)

      but it is so hard to believe they would ever try to get into politics...
  • mrzack, on 03/27/2008, -2/+1AHA!! I KNEW IT. I told you so. 9/11 = INSIDIOUS JOB!!!
  • InsideJob11Sep, on 03/27/2008, -0/+6Hey, if you easily get away with blowing JFK's brains out in broad daylight, may as well do RFK & anyone else in your way as well!
  • JointVenture, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1I thought it was supposed to be a Manchurian candidate conspiracy?

    So if this is true, that is not, so many conspiracies, so little time.
  • citizensagainst, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4I love how the anchor keeps saying that his story is really "complicated". Does MSNBC really think we can't follow the idea of an additional shooter to make up for unaccounted for bullet shots?
  • PolishLogic, on 03/27/2008, -8/+2Columbine was a conspiracy. The Challenger explosion was a conspiracy. The 1906 earthquake was a conspiracy. "Insert event here" was a conspiracy.

    Conspiracies are a conspiracy.

    yawn.....
  • springchikun, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0This isn't "New" by any means. Check out "Coroner" by Thomas T. Noguchi. He was the LA Coroner for years and worked on Kennedy, Monroe, Natalie Wood and a ton of other really famous cases. If I remember correctly, "Coroner" was written in the early 80's. So yeah, NOT a new idea.
  • fudged71, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1I bet it was: back, and to the left
  • darthom, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Sirhan was definitely a shooter in the assissination. Question is: was he the only shooter?
    Based on this "evidence" two scenarios arise. One, Sirhan and others - others include the security guard - acted in concert. Two, Sirhan acted alone and the guard, in his haste and excitement, accidently shot Kennedy while trying to take down Sirhan. In either case, Sirhan was a terrible shot but, should still receive life in prison for his attempt. The guard should, upon investigation, receive life for his complicit act or five years in prison for lying under oath and a public degradation for his poor aim and lack of control.
  • LoneRanger85, on 03/30/2008, -0/+3And that security guard was Hubert Humphrey.
    • Iconoclast25, on 03/30/2008, -0/+1Oh! Thanks for the information; I was sure it was Rosie Grier. ;-)

      Truly sad to think the people who embrace these fantasies are eligible to vote.
  • thecuriousone, on 04/02/2008, -0/+2Not to mention that in the video Evidence of Revision, they mention that the coroner of the case said he was shot from behind. But that coroner was told to be quiet or he would lose his job. Yeah, people in power can do things like that.
  • chapaken1231, 20 hr 6 min ago, -0/+0The news media is biased against conspiracies that counter the 'official' stories. The guard's name who was behind Robert Kennedy onthatfateful night is Thane Eugene Cesar. He was hired at the last minute as a replacement for an assigned guard who called out sick. Like the JFK murder, now we know CIA aggents were "at the scene of the RFK murder," why? Like Oswald, Sirhan would be "handled" be people with illusive backgrounds, but their connections always pointed to some right wing group connected to intelligence. Like Oswald, there was another shooter firing at the same time Sirhan allegedly fired, but with deadly accuracy. Just like JFK and MLK, a poor indigent lone male figure was singled out to take the "fall." Wake up people, don't you see the handprint of murder by assassination written on the MO of the Intelligence/Mafia blueprint? These organizations hopped into bed during WWII, and adopted each others methods. The CIA would have the most to loose with Robert Kennedy as President. He was heavily involved with JM/WAVE and Cuban-American affairs. He actively, though behind the scenes, pursued leads into his brother's assassination in Dallas in 1963. He did not believe the Warren Report and knew it was a whitewash. He told John McCone, Director of the CIA, that "one of your men did it(JFK assassination)." The reason Robert Kennedy was killed was because he would have ended the Vietnam War, and again prosecuted the Mob. Before JFK was killed, NSAM 273 was written, typed, printed and ready for Johnson's signature. It was dated November 21, 1963. NSAM was National Security Advisory/Action Memo 273, that reversed Kennedy's announced intention to bring home all US military advisors from Vietnam by 1965. Kennedy started to bring home 1000 by Christmas 1963. Also, as long as Bobby was Attorney General, the Mob found this an intolerable situation. The General's wanted war. Kennedy did not. The Mob wanted the heroin from the Golden Triangle. Kennedy did not. The CIA wanted to rule the world. Kennedy did not. Hoover, Hunt, and Murchison all mob connected and corrupted, wanted a conservative southern President(Johnson), one who 'understood" how things worked in Washington. The Kennedys were outsiders - young, rich, independent, and deemed inexperienced by the powers that be.
    The Military was very much influenced by right wing thinking, so were the extremist racist groups, such as the John Birch Society, The KKK, The Minutemen, the Cubans, and the Mob, as well as wealthy Americans such as Howard Hughes, William Pawley, Clair Booth Luce, J D Rockefeller, Richard Nixon, and mobster's Myer Lansky, Sam Giancana, Carlos Marcellos, and Santos Trafficante. The oilmen: Clint Murchison, Lamar Hunt and others. These all were connected in there racist, anti-communist, strong right-wing inclinations. They all formed a powder keg that erupted on Novemebr 22, 1963(JFK), and April 4, 1968(MLK), and June 5, 1968(RFK). These murders killed the New Frontier, plunged America into a state of shock, of which we are only now coming out of. You have been conditioned to believe the lies of your government, and they all started with the BOSTON TEA PARTY.
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