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- BaRbArIaN1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+59People have to fight this on a state by state level or the Leviathan State will reign supreme.
- dreepa, on 10/11/2007, -1/+52Another reason that NH is the Free State!
www.freestateproject.org - daark80, on 10/11/2007, -0/+33Live Free or Die! Our motto here in New Hampshire says it all, don't you think? SCREW RFID!!!!
- mstebbins, on 10/11/2007, -0/+31The Free State is working! Kudos to you all! Wish I could join you. Someday.
- shipple, on 10/11/2007, -2/+31"Another reason that NH is the Free State!
www.freestateproject.org" --
Right on! The Free State Project rocks!! I think the early movers had alot to do with this victory. - OnAnyMouse, on 10/11/2007, -0/+28State's rights vs federalism...wasn't there a war about that?
- shyfrog, on 10/11/2007, -2/+26Leviathan is already (and has always been) a fact of life, but that shouldn't stop freedom loving individuals from fighting against it wherever they are. In fact, never let your guard down, even during the most prosperous of times.
- wvernon1981, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21That's great for New Hampshire. Lead the way in keeping more liberty from being lost. A federal ID only makes it easier for the state to track us someday. I don't want one and if I have any say about it, they can kiss my ass.
Ron Paul is a leader on this issue, in the Republican party. During the debate, Ron gave a resounding no to the National ID card and everyone else on stage had to do a quick backtrack on their support for it. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19I grew up in NH, and have lived around the state a bit, and I think I can explain. I've also lived in other states (Texas, Virginia) where the government felt oppressive.
When you live in NH, the government is nigh invisible on a day-to-day basis. There are no state government commercials like there are here in Texas, advising you of the various things you should or should not do to avoid arrests and fines. When you register a vehicle or get a driver's license, there aren't 50 hoops to jump through. There are just one or two, and the hardest part is getting to the DMV when it's open (9:15-3:15 M-W if I recall) because the state budget is so slim that they can only afford to operate during those hours. There is no income tax.
When you do hear about local/state government issues, it is almost always in the context of some sort of participatory setting. Town Hall meetings, panels, conferences, etc. Also, the small size of the state (~1 million people) means it's no surprise if you know a number of people in local and state government - and they tend to listen, or get voted out. When presidential candidates visit, they come to small gatherings at the homes of the constituents. I think NH is one of the few states where that is the norm.
So when the feds come in with something like this, it isn't likely to be well received. NH has a long history of fiscal discipline and making its own decisions. Once you've lived there a few years, it's easy to get used to it and to like it. You even get used to the cold.
RoA - Steve95613, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19There are many reasons to love New Hampshire!
No sales tax
No income tax
No seat belt or helmet laws (18+)
No federal ID
Mountains, lakes, and coast line.
And if you don't like the weather, wait 10 minutes!
Just too bad the Old Man of the Mountain is gone now. The down side of NH is we (the Northeast) are always a little behind on the technology front. Plus, neither Diggnation or TWiT will ever come here to do a live show.(Kevin and Leo..make a liar of me please!)
In the interest of full disclosure, I am a New Hampshire native, so I am bias.
Of course, I'm bias - PhilLesh69, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20So you'd be willing to give up liberty for convenience?
Sorry dude, you lose. You lose your liberty, you lose your freedom.
EVER HEARD THE PHRASE... "your paper's please!" ???
Nah, it ain't like that, I'm just paranoid. OR AM I?? - sonaro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18"Live Free or Die" is the official motto of New Hampshire, adopted by the General Court in 1945. It is probably the most well-known of all state mottos, partly because it speaks to an aggressive independence inherent in the American dream, and partly because of its contrast to the mild sentiments usually found in such mottoes."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_Free_or_Die - WanderLink, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18I don't want a national ID. I hope they pass a law all across the country in every state banning it.
- ChineseRoom, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18This is great news..Im really starting to dig New Hampshire.
- jjk5, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17I grew up in NH. I doubt the influx of Libertarians had as much to do with it as the long history of the state's love of freedom. This is why it was chosen for the FSP in the first place.
Live Free or Die. - PhilLesh69, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17By 2050—earlier, probably—all real knowledge of Oldspeak will have disappeared. The whole literature of the past will have been destroyed. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Byron—they'll exist only in Newspeak versions, not merely changed into something different, but actually contradictory of what they used to be. Even the literature of the Party will change. Even the slogans will change. How could you have a slogan like "freedom is slavery" when the concept of freedom has been abolished? The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking—not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.
- Wacer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16I live in one of those states and I recommend everyone who's state has not passed legislation block Real-ID to start bugging their state reps to get on it. The Federal Government claims that this is not a Federal Real ID, (ya right, thats what they said about Social Security Numbers), but it will soon turn into it.
I went to a convenience store and someone was buying beer. The clerk had to punch into the register the age of the person buying it. Quite soon with this system, they will just swipe your Real-ID card and whoosh, there it goes into a database. Will not be long that this setup will be linked to your bank account and everything else you do. Go to the grocery store and buy foods, it will take it out of your account, link it into the national database and they will know everything about you. Go to Wal-Mart and buy Preparation-H, info goes off to the national database.
I know it will not be like that at the beginning but mark my words, it will happen. How do I know? I work for the government in computers and they got databases to hold every piece of information on an individual for their whole lives. They are having trouble with it do to the sheer amount of data and how to process it in a timely manner, but it will only be a matter of time. Shorter than most think.
I could go on and on, but trust me, you DON'T want the Real-ID! Sorry about the caps but this is really important. - freestatelover, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15I remember last year, the House last it by a large margin. The Gov said he would support it if the Senate passed it but it lost in the Senate. Now the bill may be even stronger and it will go through. This is great news. States with low populations like AK, NH, MT, and NH have really influenced the entire nation on this very important issue.
- DeathfireD, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17Live Free or Die.....Hard
- Steve95613, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14@MHC
Its not about wearing a seal belt, its about the choice to wear one or not.. - dgoddard, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13@nodaki ... we won't buckle when the Feds take our highway funds... CAUSE WE ALREADY TELL THE FEDS TO ***** OFF.
We have been forgoing highway funds for ~15 years, thanks to our unwillingness to pass a mandatory seat belt law... like the other 49 states have - bigstevec, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13@freemacedonia
The syrup making hippies are next door in Vermont. NH is full of hunting, tax hating Libertarians - ipxodi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12I too live in NH. A great state with the aforementioned non-intrusive government style. The only problem recently is the influx of so-called "Massachusetts Democrats" who seem to want to turn New Hampshire into Massachusetts North -- with all the welfare-nanny state crap that comes with it. Witness the current proposed legislation about mandatory seatbelts: Not only do the proponents want to make it mandatory that you must wear them, but it would also be a "primary offense" -- meaning a Police officer can pull you over and ticket you simply for not wearing the seatbelt. In most states, it's a secondary offense, which means you can only be ticketed if you're pulled over for some other violation first.
(For the record, I DO wear seatbelts at all times.) - dukeeeey, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13http://biometrics.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/blairid.jpg
- chrisgeleven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Off the top of my head, the only times I have directly dealt with the NH government in the past 5 years:
1) renew my car registration every year (which can now be done all online, unless you are registering a new vehicle...even in that case, I go to the local government and not the DMV)
2) renew my drivers license (every 5 years, just did it this month and had to go to the DMV for that...10 minutes and I was out)
3) Pay the rooms/meals tax whenever I go out to eat or stay at a hotel.
Since I rent, I don't have to pay property taxes (well, directly I don't...it is included in my rent of course). Of course, there is no income or sales taxes.
That is one reason why I love living here. It is as laid back as a government can be, but is still extremely effective at what a government really needs to do (example: our highways and state roads are some of the best maintained around and we have winters to contend with). - deadowl, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13I hate sales tax.
I don't have to wear a seatbelt. - geoff1210, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11@MHC
of course it is smart to wear seatbelts. its about my choice to wear one, which i do. But i dont want the government telling me that im in big trouble if i am a bad boy. I want to be treated by the government like i can make my own decisions.
Yeah, im from NH and damn proud. - dagnome1984, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12You would be willing to force everyone to have one just because it would be convenient for you?
- dgoddard, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10@madhighlandcow ... it's not about whether I wear seat belts (I do!)
It's about whether someone can disagree about the usefulness of seat belts... without having a gun pointed in their face and a police officer holding his hand out demanding $50.
You think the gun is hyperbole?
Try not paying a ticket sometime, on the grounds that you've hurt nobody and done nothing wrong.
Try ignoring the ever more insistent letters that you "owe" the State the money (for what?)
You'll find out soon enough where the guns are. - quesocore, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Move to China. They've got some nice freedom programs in place that you may enjoy.
- wvernon1981, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Isn't that true about Orthodoxy means not thinking. I watched a video compilation of media bias against Ron Paul and you would have to be a non-thinking moron to buy into that stuff. Screw the media and anyone else who would lull us to sleep and tell us how to think.
- sanguineapple, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9@fuzzmeister
It's not about not wearing your seatbelt - it's about being told you have to. I wear my seatbelt. I also brush my teeth, look both ways before I cross, eat my vegetables, and do a plethora of other things to keep myself alive and in moderately good health. I don't need my government to tell me to do any of those things. - forsytjr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9For those thinking that N.H. can't do this, just read our Constitution - we have our rights defined up front, not as amendments:
[Art.] 7. [State Sovereignty.] The people of this state have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state; and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right, pertaining thereto, which is not, or may not hereafter be, by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled.
We could do a lot more than reject RealID. Also, we are the only state/country in the world with a Constitutional Right to Revolution:
[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. - ThDecider, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9@FreeMacedonia
Syrup making hippies? You have us confused with our upside-down neighbors to the west. - shipple, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8"They will buckle when the Feds take away their highway funds." -- nodaki
Educate yourself dude. NH doesn't accept federal highway bribes already b/c they don't have a seatbelt law...they're the ONLY state that doesn't.
Live free or die! - shipple, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8"Guarantee that's a surefire way of getting them to all comply. Or just withhold federal highway funding" --
Sorry, wrong again, Watson. NH doesn't get federal highway funding anyway b/c they're the only state without a "wear a seatbelt or we'll harass you" law. I love NH!
FreeStateProject*org - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7That precedent has already happened. State law in California allows the use of marijuana for medical purposes. Federal law prohibits it.
- DrDabbles, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I love living here. No click-it-or-ticket and no national ID system. Ah, NH. You make me so proud.
- shipple, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7"is the whole state funded by property taxes?" -- Socialpoison
"Yes, which is why the property taxes are very high, and the state budget is a tad tight, to say the least." -- Fuzzmeister
NH has the lowest overall tax burden of the states...if you live in a smaller area, you pay even less.
And we LIKE the state budget to be tight...it means the gov't is weak. - shipple, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7"The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind" -- NH Constitution
Ha ha...awesome. - waynetheman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7@ colincornaby
Where have you been the last 6 years? Are you not aware that corrupt, unelected bureaucrats now have the power in the U.S. to whisk away anyone for any reason in the dead of night, and to have them never be heard from again? Did you not see FEMA confiscating firearms in New Orleans and, more recently, in the tornado disaster areas? Have you not heard of what happened to Japanese-Americans (tracked by that innocuous ol' Census Bureau) during WW2? Don't you agree with the basic principle "innocent until proven guilty"?
Government needs LESS power, not MORE, and a national ID is a convenient concentration of power that the federal government *definitely* does not need. - shipple, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7"This whole 'I don't wear seatbelts' thing bemuses me" --
I wear a seatbelt and always will. The point is, you're not my mom and you shouldn't authorize the gov't to harass and use force against me if I'm doing something that might not be good for me. Unless I'm hurting you or someone else, leave me the f*** alone.
Yeah, I wear seatbelts. I also floss. Should that be a law? I eat 3 servings of vegetables a day (not doing so will statistically take more years off your life than not wearing a seatbelt): should THAT be a law?
Where does your immature drive to controll other people stop?? - shipple, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7"I'm really starting to digg New Hampshire" --
Than move with us!!
FreeStateProject*org - waynetheman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Fine. Have one.
Just don't force everyone else to participate. - PatrickHenry, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Ahem, you mean states rights vs totalitarianism. Federalism means shared power with the states. The united States hasn't been a federal Republic since 1865. You can thank Lincoln for that.
PH - dgoddard, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7May your chains rest upon you lightly
- megaloid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6The ineptitude of the socialist Massachusetts government smacks you on the forehead as soon after you cross the state line from NH and see the dilapidation of their roads and bridges. All kinds of infrastructure is continuously needing replacement, and as always, they can count on misdirecting federal money from the weaker states to funnel into the pockets of the labor unions, who lean on their shovels. Look up the Central Artery Project for a truly astonishing tale of cost overruns, and it still doesn't work right.
- andshewas, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6National ID is the mark of the beast. I wish New Jersey would rally against it the way some other states are.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I don't get people who don't wear seatbelts. I guess you can claim it's your right to do it, but there is absoloutely no reason not to. There are very few things that have been more consistently proven to save your life again and again without any serious negative consequences. I don't think not wearing a seatbelt is exercising your freedom, it's just stupidity.
- dreepa, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6REAL ID is the law of the Federal Govt. (although the Feds are considering postponing it).
NH will just choose not to participate.
The threat that the Feds make is that you won't be able to use a NH id to get into Federal Buildings or to board a plane.
Which is funny because when I went to Federal Court to see a trial a few months ago I was not asked for ID. When I flew on a plane a few weeks ago I was asked for ID by a rentacop (NOT TSA) and I said I didn't have one... they marked my boarding card with SSSS which caused me to skip to the front of the line... I got the extra patdown by TSA.
So I see only benefits without a realid. I see no updside to it. It won't protect us from terrorists and it will cost a lot of taxpayer's money. -
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