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- adinu79, on 10/12/2007, -19/+164God could not be reached for comment. Lol, priceless
- Buddhist, on 10/12/2007, -13/+121Countdown to religious and faith-based arguments in 3....2.....1.....
- Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -21/+117This isn't atheism, it's anti-Christianity. There's a difference.
Thanks, Newsweek, you just set back the atheists a few years. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -36/+131You know guys, in life we face a variety of challenges. They tend to have a great meaning within many people. In some of these challenges we face a choice. In life there are many choices, but for everything else there is MasterCard...the official card of those who question their faith.
No seriously do you guys think that Frank Thomas will live up to the hype for the Blue Jays this season? It's time to travel to a magical area of my land. The phoenix is in front of me. It's the master quest of all evil. I shall cross mountains in order to rescue the poor. Welcome to the Black Parade. Sweet Caroline...bah bah bah..good times never seemed so good. - rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -15/+76@R1SENFA17H
"it is no harder to believe in a God than it is to believe in the existence of others' minds beyond your own."
Straw man alert - the issue is not how "hard" it is to believe, the issue is the lack of evidence for a god, your version or any others. There is empirical evidence to support the fact that other humans have brains which function similarly to my own (albeit some more rationally than others).
In fact, it is quite easy to believe in all sorts of things which aren't true. That's kind of the point - a point somewhat opposite to the one you intended to make, I would venture. - DJCult, on 10/12/2007, -13/+72What the hell? What does that even MEAN?
- dan2, on 10/12/2007, -14/+59I don't know but it was so random I had to digg it.
- Olle, on 10/12/2007, -8/+51It is not because atheists dislike Christianity in particular. It is because the atheists that you hear speaking up live in predominantly Christian areas.
- Toast1185, on 10/12/2007, -9/+37"Is believing in the existence of God really so different than completely denying the existence of God?"
Yes, simply due to the parsimony of it all. Of course, if you don't care much for the scientific method, then I suppose it's not. - RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -26/+53How often do you hear atheist activists criticize Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism, etc? Atheism in its most vocal form seems to have taken an anti-Christian tone. I really have no explanation for it.
- snowbooch, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33@RadiantBeing
hmm, probably has something to do with you living in a christian (presuming your in the us, or another "western" nation) dominated country
im not really supporting or condemning making videos about your faith on youtube, but we don't exactly have a large portion of our culture based on islamic, buddhist or hindu values/teachings/whatever
not to mention i haven't been approached by any of the above trying to convert me through direct contact, the media, or a number of other sources - Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27I wonder how Richard Dawkins feels about one of his employees being responsible for RationalResponders.com, which is sponsoring this. Like I said above, this site does not IMO represent the atheist viewpoint. It focuses against Christianity, instead of focusing on general, rational debate. It also feels redundant to Dawkins' own Web presence, which is frankly a lot more mature and experienced.
The guy's Myspace profile is also featured in the "About Us" section: http://www.myspace.com/briansapient , where you can find this wonderful picture: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/BrianSapient/mapofourcountry.jpg
I don't know, he seems like kind of a dick. - KibibyteBrain, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30@RadiantBeing
Thats just because most western atheists are afflicted with western belivers, who are statistically mostly Christian. It also has something to do with the fact that Christians are the only religious group who have influence over most the major world powers, including the only superpower. Also, central to Christianity is the idea of evangelicalism, which automatically puts Christians on the front line to be attacked ideologically by every other group, as it should.
BTW, Buddhists, are not [necessarily]theists as far as I know, so that may have something to do with it too. - Niten, on 10/12/2007, -12/+36Love is an effect of human will and emotion, a state of our minds which consist of neurons and chemicals. Therefore, it falls squarely within the realm of reality, and as such is subject to experimentation and scrutiny. In short, there is no reason that love cannot be proven.
We know love exists because we have evidence for it, both in human behavior and in human anatomy. The same cannot be said for "god". - randyzaia, on 10/12/2007, -14/+38"Oh also an agnostic is an atheist without balls."
Why would you need balls to say that you don't believe in something that you're certain doesn't exist? An agnostic is someone with better things to do than to inform anyone who will listen that they don't believe in a god.
Someone once said that a cynic is just a frustrated romantic. Methinks that there's a little of the frustrated religionist in people who proclaim the loudest that they don't believe in God. - FTLJohnson, on 10/12/2007, -12/+35Actually, I submitted for the Blasphemy Challenge, and I am not an Atheist, but what is known as a strong agnostic. I deny the existence of myths like Jesus and the Holy Spirit easily, becuase the CHRISTIAN notion of a god is ridiculously stupid. IE: Jesus (the magical man with healing powers - that no one has replicated EVER) ... I find belief in in a magical man named jesus equivalent to believing in the prophecies of Nostrdamus, or spoonbenders, or psychics, astrology, santa clause and Tarot. Also, the God imagined in the bible is an evil and awful peice of crap, and I cannot fathom how anyone can read the bible and worship that conception of a deity. This does not preclude in my mind the possibility of the existence of a deity... but it is certainly not any deity imagined in Judeo-Christian or even most Western Religions.
I find following the beliefs of an organized religion, to be the desperate act of someone who cannot handle having unique beliefs, and cannot withstand the stress oand pressure (either fromn society or family) of holding a set of beliefs that put them in a minority.
It's high time that the religious stop confusing arrogance and individualism. Arrogance is believing that "God created us in 'his' image". Arrogance is believing that you KNOW the nature of our creator or creators. - akira117, on 10/12/2007, -18/+41LOL I've been on the site for a while now, storming youtube is kind of over the top. ;7)
Oh also an agnostic is an atheist without balls. :7P - iamnotbatman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22@Lionhart
Yes, it is very different. The existence of a God, given the evidence at hand, is extremely improbable. Therefore the atheist position is quite reasonable, just as it is reasonable to bet that an apple in your left hand won't magically disappear and reappear in your right hand, even though quantum mechanically it is possible, just extremely improbable. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Atheism isn't "faith in the non-existence of god". Its belief in the current evidence that god is so unbelievably unlikely that it might as well as be impossible.
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Nobody ever posited the tooth fairy or unicorns as a prerequisite for continued existence.
- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Maybe atheists wouldn't be against Christianity as much if it weren't for the fact that so many Christians talk about Atheists like they're Satan worshiping *****.
- DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21"Is believing in the existence of God really so different than completely denying the existence of God?"
Well, that depends. What's your opinion of the Tooth Fairy?
"(I, myself, am Agnostic Humanist)"
AKA an atheist. - javip, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21I know I'm going to get dugg down, but to me that's like saying you don't understand why doctors are angry at cancer.
Except at least cancer is real. - 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Probably because most religious people in the west are Christians.
- kevinmotel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14http://www.blasphemychallenge.com/
the website mentioned in the article - brickne3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17"Ah well, at least we know where all the hate speech is coming for when they start violently attacking and killing those of faith. History repeats itself again."
Huh?Guess i must have missed those bands of violent roving atheists raping and pillaging those of faith, both in real life and in the history books (history repeats itself again...?).
And I can think of quite a few murderers of faith as well- Dennis Rader (BTK) comes immediatly to mind. - JesusIsSatan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Um, Christians used to burn people. Christians slaughtered millions of non-believers. America was founded by people who escaped religious intolerance. So before you hold your head up with your high and mighty attitude, you are just a century removed from where they are.
- StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19The reason most Athiests in countries like the US and England act so anti-Christian is simple. In many of these countries, Christianity is assumed to be the default. According to our society, you don't need a reason to believe; you need a reason to disbelieve. Athiests define their lack of belief by providing that, and that often comes across as anti-Christian.
It's not that we are against Christianity any more than we are any other religion; it's just that Christianity is so pervasive and expected in our society that it by default becomes the target.
I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit. I also deny Allah, the divinity of Buddha, the existence of Thor.... - shirosamurai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12People like yourself are the exact reason why people are posting these videos. Believing in God is one thing. Being scared of God, like you are, is another...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11What do you think God thinks of "I'll believe in you just in case"?
- Lacanuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@bs0l
I have no problem letting people believe what they want to right until the point where it impacts my life. But faith of all stripes does impact me. Islam is fundamental cause of much of the violence in the Middle East. Christianity is suppressing research into medical advancements using stem cells. Both are against science that tend to refute the dogma on which they are based. In other words, religion suppresses social and scientific advancements that could improve my life. So for this (admittedly selfish) reason, I'm against unthinking faith in any religion. - NicP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"Atheists often see themselves as having the benefit of the doubt (obviously no pun intended). They say the burden of proof is on the religious to /prove/ God's existence. In reality, there's exactly the same evidence for both sides of the Is There a God Debate: None."
This is exactly the point, anyone can make any claims they want, but without reasonable evidence they are useless. If i started saying invisible undetectable leprechauns created the first organisms on earth would you believe it? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, else the default position is that the claim is false. If science had to try and disprove every extraordinary claim there would be no time for real science! - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11[quote]There's evidence against the existence of a god? What evidence might that be?[/quote]
There's evidence against the existence of a Judeo-Christian God. That evidence being dinosaurs, our quasi-human ancestors, the lack of magical ships able to carry a pair of every species on Earth (unless it was a UFO that stored DNA or something), and many other contradictions and false claims found in the supposedly infallible Bible.
The FACT that the Bible contains errors is enough proof that it is not the word of "God."
I can't believe we still have to go over this with these fools. It's the 21st century! The apocalypse came and went and nothing happened! - Nanobe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14There's evidence against the existence of a god? What evidence might that be? Sure, there's plenty of evidence against alleged historical and functional details of various gods as a result of available evidence for separate truths that are contradictory to such details, but although that may show that the figurative celestial teapot is not larger than a barn, it doesn't prove that the celestial teapot does not exist. The vague notion of a "god" cannot be disproved by any means we currently have. Richard Dawkins and other vocal atheists have admitted to this. It is not our place nor within our capability to disprove the notion of a god, but rather the burden of proof for the existence of a god is on those who claim such a thing exists. I don't have to prove that an invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist in order to not believe in one. But if someone expects me to believe that one exists, he or she had better show me evidence.
- cybermort, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13pussy
- maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11There is no god in Buddhism, and the Buddha was NOT divine- he is a normal human being. Neither Theism or Atheism is a prereq to be a Buddhist, though Buddhists are indeed generally atheist (or at least agnostic).
- abox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Faith can be a very very powerful and beautiful thing. Unfortunately (and every one of the World's main religions have demonstrated this at some point in history or another) it can also be a very very powerful and ugly thing.
I have nothing against a sincere belief in a God, or a higher power, or a super being (whatever you want to call "it"), but I DO have a huge problem with organized religions that attempt to thrust their doctrine upon me (this includes many of the oh-so-stubborn atheists I have run into as well.)
Let's face it people; at the end of the day what do you have? Nothing but yourself, your own thoughts, and your own perspective on things. These are based on one thing only: your life experience from interaction with others and the world around you.
Don't try to force people to look at the world the way you do; it's impossible and can only end badly, we're all in this together. Show some respect. - zyxwiley, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I've always thought religion was for the weak... thanks for reaffirming that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@heckwrench: As much as I can respect your faith, you've not said anything to convince me of a testable hypothesis on the existence of god. Nothing of what you've said changes the fact that other hypothesis could range from a delusion, hallucination,etc. from a supernatural intervention.
- Throttlebottom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9As a lifelong atheist, I find this entire campaign both silly and embarrassing. By focusing on one passage in the New Testament, they've restricted themselves to a denial of Christianity, while ignoring all other theistic faiths. It strikes me as nothing more than teen angst and a sort of counter-fundamentalist/evangelical approach. In the same way that fundamentalists/evangelicals have only a superficial understanding or appreciation of theological subtlety, these 'atheists' appear to have a similarly superficial understanding of the philosophical sophistication of atheism and the ontological issue in question.
- david76, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@lukas88
"Disproving the existence of god is just as rediculous as proving the existence of god. Athiesm is really just having faith that there is no god."
Not at all. I don't believe there is a god. This is not based on faith. I don't even base my atheism on a lack of evidence. I simply don't believe the existence of a god is necessary or even reasonable. All of the arguments for god fall flat, most of all the creation argument. Belief in god is a product of modern social indoctrination, those who believe do so because they are taught to believe and they are taught to trust the evidence. Any critical, rational analysis of the evidence results in the conclusion that no god exists.
@imperium2000
"Atheism isn't "faith in the non-existence of god". Its belief in the current evidence that god is so unbelievably unlikely that it might as well as be impossible."
It's much more simple. Atheism is a belief in no god. It has nothing to do with the likelihood of a god based upon current evidence. Some might base their atheism in this notion, but that is not what atheism is. - Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7A lot of people hear voices, most of them go on to noteable careers in serial killing, raping or perhaps even evangelism. On the other hand, some just end up being "that person" in the grocery store who talks to themselves. All in all, I wouldn't consider hearing voices a sign of god, I'd consider it a sign of needing serious medical treatment.
- 3Den, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Let's not get hung up on the definition of "proof". There is no such thing as proof, ultimately, only our individual subjective experience of our existence.
I'm an atheist because in the absence of any evidence that suggest there might be some omnipotent being that created all of existence, there is absolute no reason to posit that one may exist. I don't require the belief, nor even the possibility that there might be some omnipotent creator of the universe.
Saying that proving God does NOT exists is just as impossible as proving he exists is true, however, in the absense of any reason to suggest he exists in the first place, he's about as likely as the spaghetti on my plate suddenly levitating, vowing it's love for me and all beings who enjoy a really good marinara sauce, then flying off to resurrect saddam and start a new pastafarian empire on pluto. - OneHump, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Atheism is a choice made in the absence of evidence. The absence of evidence that a god exists is proof in itself that he does not. While many of you believe in a religion, you do so based on what your parents exposed you to or what you decided to believe in. In effect, you chose your religion. What makes your belief more or less correct than another? Why God and not Buddha? Why Buddha and not Allah? Who is right? In the absence of evidence, I *believe* the truth is that no religion is the correct truth. This is not an attack on your religion, but an alternative belief. Am I correct? Who knows?
What is a fact is that most religious people deny logical thought to a point that no other belief is tolerable, hence the imminent digging down of this comment. - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Aliens are real. Statisticaly its pretty impossible that Earth is the only planet with life.
There may even be a race so advanced that they are God like. They could have the ability to manipulate matter with their minds or view more than 3 dimensions (i.e. see the future).
Maybe one of them is named Jesus and stopped by Earth a couple thousand years ago just to ***** with us. - trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I guess you missed the "and I am NOT afraid" part. The idea is that they are so sure that there is no hell that they are going to do something that would send them to hell if hell did in fact exist. For instance when somebody told me that they thought that eating pop rocks and soda at the same time would make a persons stomach explode I said that it was only an urban legend and that I was so confidant that he was wrong that I would myself eat pop rocks and drink soda. I did that because I knew that I would not die whereas if I had had any doubt in my mind whatsoever I would have never done it.
- iamnotbatman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7While the parent comment's tone is not entirely productive, it makes a very good point.
Even if I DID believe in God, I find little evidence for any reason why I should believe it is a beneficent God, a god deserving of respect, or an honest God. - ThE0eNiGmA, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@ Star
I think you pretty much summed it up. As an atheist living in America, the double standard is deeply disturbing. If I say I am an atheist I am free to be attacked, preached to, and/or condemned by the Christians with popular support, yet if I were to do the same, they would cry foul. Personally, I wouldn't have that much of a problem with Christians if Christians didn't have a problem with what I am. Sadly, that is not the case. And frankly, they are the only ones around me who regularly find issue with me. If I lived in a different area where a different religion is dominant, I might seem to target them more. It's all a matter on who imposes on me the most.
Oh, and Christianity makes itself such an easy target. Their cross might as well be a targeting reticle, for all their pervasiveness and obtrusiveness. Please don't take this the wrong way, but it IS true. Whatever or whoever is dominant is usually going to be sniped by the underdogs. - Ev3nt372, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Atheism is more than just the knowledge that gods do not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud. Atheism is an attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world objectively, fearlessly, always trying to understand all things as a part of nature. --Carl Sagan
- Hebrewhammer913, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3pMpQ6TUwQ
gal's pretty hot. -
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