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- niccha, on 06/25/2008, -55/+209I wish Nader would just quit it. He's getting to be an embarrassment to himself.
- SheilaNoya, on 06/25/2008, -41/+178No one gives a crap what Ralph Nader says. The only way he can get his name in the limelight now is to say something controversial and hope the media picks up the story.
Nader is famous for popping up ONLY during an election year and grabbing some donations for himself. Then he quickly disappears and no one hears a peep out of him for 4 years. Same scam every election year, yet he always manages to find a crowd who will give him money (right before he disappears for another 4 years). - jotate, on 06/25/2008, -30/+113McCain's got the sober racist vote, so I'd say it evens out.
- bullcutter, on 06/26/2008, -34/+101yeah forget the fact that 70% of the country wants the war ended, we're voting for Obama because we feel guilty about slavery.
/not - wreckosaurus, on 06/26/2008, -25/+82How come this guy only comes out once every four years to attack the democratic candidate and then disappear. Mr. "there's no difference between gore and bush" needs to shut the ***** up.
- aeoo, on 06/25/2008, -23/+62Wow, it is sad Nader has to say that. I like Obama and I don't have white guilt. I have critiqued some elements of the USA black culture in the past.
- Dibou, on 06/26/2008, -1/+38Wow, this is kinda like the "I have black friends" thing in reverse.
- RickHavoc, on 06/26/2008, -14/+49The only time Nader talks about predatory lending and lead paint is when he accuses Obama of not talking about it when Obama is the one doing something about it.
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/12/03/1139280-o ...
http://obama.senate.gov/news/051105-sen_obama_take ...
I'm sad for Nader. I admire what he has done in the past but his recent comments make him sound out of touch and desperate. - someguyouknow, on 06/26/2008, -10/+43Nader Please.
- truthproduct, on 06/26/2008, -10/+42
First off, let me just say I like Ralph Nader. The mass media headlines might lead some to believe that he’s said something to bookmark him as a racist. CNN writes: “Nader accused Obama of attempting to "talk white" and appealing to "white guilt" in his quest to win the White House.” If you don’t read the whole original Rocky Mountain News article you might be led to believe that Nader is a racist. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/25/ ...
I don’t think is racist but I do think he is wrong.
Talking White
Here is what Ralph Nader said:
I haven't heard [Barack Obama] have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson?
I’ve been accused of “talking white” on before. And my first question to this is, “Oh yeah. How do black people talk?” or “How are blacks supposed to talk?” Suggesting that a group of people must talk a certain way begs the question: How all of those people talk? And whatever is imposed on that group is a stereotype, a generalization that is wrong. Nader is talking about the issues then he veers off into race bait land. Our cultural background and upbringing determines HOW we speak. Obama what brought up by his PHD mother who happened to be a white woman. Is he supposed to pretend like he was raised in the Bronx projects by a mother with a jr. high school education who happened to by black.
When you talk to your boss at work, your supervisor, and certain co-works you will use different mannerisms, Nonverbals and language than if you're at home with your family & friends. If you are speaking in front of students in a economics class you are going to have a different way of speaking than if you are in a church giving a sermon.
We all do it. It is necessary to communicate with a syntax that your audience can understand. I guess Nader (and YOU) don't understand that. It is what seperates a decent communicator with oen that is over the top.
I don’t think that Ralph’s statement implies that he is a racist, but I do think he should have thought that statement through and learn more about the candidate. From the “talk white” statement he does seem to have looked into Obama much at all.
White Guilt
"He wants to show that he is not a threatening . . . another politically threatening African-American politician," Nader said. "He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up."
I think it is time to move on. We need to stop playing the white/black game and fix problems. I’m black (important to the context of this paragraph). The black community is not going to get anything with guilt whatever its color. We are not going to get anywhere with blame or scape-goating. It makes things temporarily easier to deal with (psychologically), however it does NOT fix anything so it is of little use. What we (not just black/white but “WE“ the poor, the down trodden, the homeless) need is jobs, a stronger dollar, a stronger economy and representatives that support the people not just the highest bidder. The candidate that can do this will get my vote.
Nader’s intentions are good but he should do more homework on the candidates if he actually wants to get votes. - JohnInMT, on 06/26/2008, -15/+45I'm really surprised how many people are describing Nader as someone "who just pops up around election time then disappears". I do not agree with Nader on this issue at all, but Nader has done a lot more for the people of this country than just popping up every 4 years to run on a 3rd party ticket. Before you bash on a man, and as one poster put it "hope he kicks it soon" maybe try to have a clue what you are talking about?
Nader also did not "cost gore the election". Gore cost himself the election by running a pathetic campaign against a borderline retarded opponent, and then not putting up much of a fight after the election was stolen. Choosing Lieberman as his running mate was one of many huge mistakes the Gore campaign made. Did you watch the debates? Are we forgetting that Gore had no problem selling out the American people with NAFTA? Are we forgetting how many times Gore agreed with Bush over some pretty messed up policy in the debates?
Before you bash a man and wish for his demise try to understand who you are talking about at least. Nader, while wrong in my opinion on this issue, has done far more to help this country and the people of this country than the majority of Politicians, including Gore. I suggest you read http://www.salon.com/bc/1999/01/26bc.html if you would like a fairly decent look at what Nader's done (Freedom of Information Act, Clean Air Act, Consumer Protection Agency, etc etc). - whatthefu, on 06/26/2008, -4/+21I thought Diggers thought the two party system was broken and that no one should have to "just quit?" Or does that only work with Ron Paul?
- l0k0, on 06/26/2008, -10/+26I wouldn't say that. African Americans have consistently voted Democrat, in large majorities, long before Obama started running for president.
- l0k0, on 06/26/2008, -2/+18One of the 50% of Americans who don't even care enough to go out and vote.
- warholsbluecat, on 06/26/2008, -40/+55Ralph Nader is a cantankerous dolt who needs to get out of politics alltogether. Once a man revered - he will now be remembered as the ***** who cost Gore the election and turned out to be a racist.
- Unicorny, on 06/26/2008, -17/+31Nader has spent his life working on the issues that Obama merely talks about. As an example, why did Obama vote against a 30% cap on credit cards (Dayton Amendment to the Bankruptcy Bill)? Now he campaigns in support of cracking down on these same companies but didn't do anything when he had the chance. Same with military contractors in Iraq, FISA, etc.
- JohnInMT, on 06/26/2008, -1/+15What a great response. Rather than actually try to put together a valid argument, you come back with this gem.
I really worry about the future of the democrat party when this type of mentality seems to be more and more common in it. Do you just agree with everything that has a (D) next to it, and say "***** you" to anything that doesn't tout the party line?
Are you in favor of NAFTA? Most Democrats were and still are. Are you in favor of the Patriot act? The Democrats sure were when it was voted on. Are you in favor of the war in Iraq? Most Democrats were when it was voted on. Are you OK with letting Bush continue his blatant disregard for the constitution and continue crapping on all of our rights? Many Democrats seem to be fine with that.
Here's an idea for you. Instead of blindly believing everything the mainstream media tells you, and going down your ballot (if you are even of voting age) marking an X next to each "D" on the ballot, do a little research into the politicians views on the issues. You may be surprised, that if you actually form your own opinions based on researching the issues, you will occasionally disagree with what the Democrats have done, or allowed to happen. - niccha, on 06/26/2008, -6/+18Oh Fangs... I never said I don't respect his accomplishments. Indeed he has done some good things, but at this point he's starting to become an embarrassment to himself.
- niccha, on 06/27/2008, -0/+12@sanman
This may be hard for you to believe, but I support any citizen's right to run for president, no matter how much I disagree with their choice to do it. Just because I think Nader should stop running for president every single presidential election cycle, doesn't mean I don't support the democratic ideals of "anybody can become president."
Also, all of US politics is "tactical" because we don't live in a "true democracy" where "every vote counts." We live in representative democracy where our government is run by the people we elect. Because of that, strategy and tactics become ingrained in our government regardless of what party you belong to. They are inseparable in a representative democracy. - Tryptomine, on 06/26/2008, -6/+18If I want to vote for Obama I must have 'white guilt,' and be a sexist.
If I want to vote for Hillary I must be a feminist, and racist.
If I want to vote for McCain I must be a fascist, a racist, and sexist.
What does that make me if I don't vote? - elipabst, on 06/27/2008, -5/+17For ***** sake quit repeating this nonsense. There isn't some gigantic NWO conspiracy. Sure there is corruption and incompetence JUST LIKE THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN. The illuminati aren't hiding under your bed planning the next 9/11. All nonsense like this does is distract people from caring about the things that actually do matter.
- inactive, on 06/26/2008, -7/+18"yeah forget the fact that 70% of the country wants the war ended, "
Even though Obama says he won't end the war right away.
Hmm, and voting for what now? - zephyear, on 06/26/2008, -6/+17obama has talked about predatory lending, lead paint regulations, and aspestos
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/12/03/1139280-o ...
http://obama.senate.gov/news/051105-sen_obama_take ...
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/02/19/just_because ...
nader should inform himself before opening his mouth - toxicvarn90, on 06/27/2008, -3/+13Actually Nader is simply criticizing as what he see's as the "corporate establishment." He's being misrepresented in this article and quote mined to appear as if he's making a racist statement.
As I commented before: " when Nader says 'talk white' or 'act white,' he is simply stating that a person is behaving like he's part of the establishment instead of behaving like a maverick (ie Kucinich, Ron Paul, Lessig)."
Some context: http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/06/25/words-wor ... - B08ama, on 06/26/2008, -4/+14FYI, he's not even a candidate for the Green Party anymore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_preside ...
- Albear89, on 06/26/2008, -2/+11American!
- Julik, on 06/26/2008, -3/+12And 90% of them voted for Obama over Clinton
- ZenMojo, on 06/27/2008, -1/+9It's because he hates the Democrats. As he said in 2000 on election night on a CNN broadcast, George W. Bush is his preferred choice for president over Al Gore.
- danieldantastic, on 06/26/2008, -23/+31I miss the old Nader. This one doesn't work so well.
- stretch611, on 06/27/2008, -2/+10Diebold cost Gore the election. :)
- sensingt, on 06/27/2008, -2/+10Obama could have helped end the war if he wanted to, but he thought it might cost him some votes.
He is preparing for a new war with Iran. - GrodyChamp, on 06/26/2008, -4/+12Well, white guilt IS playing a huge part in Obama's support, whether he's trying to get it or not, who knows.
- inactive, on 06/26/2008, -3/+11How is having white guilt racist? How is denying it worse?
- Barackalypse, on 06/26/2008, -1/+8And they're all embarrassments to the principles this Republic was founded upon. If I could raise Aaron Burr from the dead, he'd duel the lot of these stateist hacks and win.
- Vigilo, on 06/26/2008, -16/+23Essential the votes don't matter they have always been rigged since the false 2 party system existed just to give us illusion of choice. Diebold machines are a fraud and everyone at digg knows. Republicans take office then Democrats its just a big show and they are both on the same side. The NWO is playing 3 dimensional chess and we can't even play checkers its pathetic. Another article on Digg has us commenting on what is on Obama's Ipod. We are truly facked as a society.
- manicmarvin, on 06/27/2008, -1/+8Obama has no intention of ending "the war," dolt.
- Hetman, on 06/26/2008, -9/+16I am an individual. I do not feel guilty because there are white racist. I do not feel guilty for anything the pass generation has done. It was there choice they made it, not me.
- panicofficer, on 06/26/2008, -2/+8Judging from the primaries, I'd say the Dems have plenty of racists to go around... stereotypes really aren't helpful.
Hit the wrong reply button but works all the same. - SteveIsTheDude, on 06/27/2008, -0/+6If he is "holding the race card" why does he not comment on Naders race baiting *****? Obama simply says Nader is trying to get attention. HE does not pull "the race card" and engage Nader in a debate that Nader obviously would relish.
- sugarazor, on 06/26/2008, -1/+6Regardless, he's currently polling at 3% to Nader's 4% - Barr will take away McCain votes while Nader may chip at some Obama votes. People need to realize, Barack Obama is not the 2000 Al Gore. Did Al Gore raise a quarter of a billion dollars through donations of less than $2300? No.
- saxreturns, on 06/26/2008, -12/+17If Nader were an ice cream flavour, he'd be pralines and dick.
- Hetman, on 06/26/2008, -1/+6Bob Barr is horrible. He is not even a liberterian like he claims. Liberterians do not vote for bills like the patriot act.
- Sublime059, on 06/26/2008, -1/+6lol fail~
- toowired77, on 06/27/2008, -0/+5I am an African-American who has seen the poverty and desperation of many white people in both America and Europe. I am doing quite well compared to many of them and its wrong to undermine their struggles because of their skin color. Try telling a white father who works three jobs just to put food in his children's mouth that he gets "extra" for being white.
- inactive, on 06/26/2008, -0/+5Predatory lending cant be done in a vacuum.
You need really stupid and gullible customers as well!
Obama's strategy:
2% of USA has problems with predatory lending and in debt = 98% of USA must to bail out the stupid and gamble-proned!
Why did Obama vote against a 30% cap on credit cards (Dayton Amendment to the Bankruptcy Bill)
He's doing something alright, he's trying to get elected! - mlrigsby, on 06/26/2008, -5/+10But you should feel some responsibility (not guilt, which is an overused word) for enjoying the privileges that come with being white in America. You or I may or may not be racists, but we benefit from a system that has been and continues to be built on racism.
- BabushkaBlue, on 06/26/2008, -6/+11Except for the fact that Bush can't talk in front of ANY crowd without sounding like an idiot. And except for their opposing stands on Iraq and Afghanistan, and how to resolve the crumbling economy, and how to fix our dependency on oil, and they completely differ on health care, and well...WAIT A MINUTE. Bush-lite?
Huh. I don't see it. - Waskonator, on 06/26/2008, -3/+8DONT CALL ME WHITE
- camilos007, on 06/27/2008, -1/+6Nader 2.0 is broken.
- zombies187, on 06/27/2008, -1/+6'Mr. "there's no difference between gore and bush" needs to shut the ***** up.
Yeah, even though we need to move away from the two party system, the no difference argument is the worst. People who can't see the difference must have narrow interests. Like weed and war. But it really seems like an incomplete thought. If you aren't triangulating your vote in this environment, you are idealistic to a fault. -
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