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NY Times Archive: 9/11 Hijackers trained on US Military Bases?

query.nytimes.com — (By The New York Times), WASHINGTON, Sept. 15 -- Three of the men identified as the hijackers in the attacks on Tuesday have the same names as alumni of American military schools, the authorities said today. The men were identified as Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz al-Omari and Saeed al-Ghamdi.

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  • notque, on 11/15/2007, -43/+47Noam Chomsky on the topic of truth movements, independent investigations, etc.

    I've been (publicly) in favor of an independent investigation for a long time. There are many holes in the investigation of any historical event that will never be filled, but an independent investigation might help clear the air. As for the theories now put forth, they have two crucial properties, in my opinion:

    (1) they draw enormous amounts of time and energy away from serious activism on urgent matters (and may well be welcome to those in power for that reason, as the JFK assassination investigations have been, so internal government documents indicate). It's also a rather striking fact that the Truth Movement differs so radically from activist movements in not taking any of the usual steps that are standard under far more difficult circumstances, ranging from demonstrations, tax resistance or more direct resistance and other forms of CD, law suits, referenda, political action -- in fact, just about anything.

    (2) what has been presented is not very credible. Evidence is of two types: (A) physical, (B) circumstantial. On (A), no one, to my knowledge, has been willing to undertake even the first minimal step considered to be a routine obligation by those who think they've made a physical discovery, whether it's about cold fusion, intelligent design, global warming or HIV-AIDS skepticism, or anything else: submit a paper to a science-engineering journal (and I don't mean the Journal of Intelligent Design). Hence those who do not want to devote a huge amount of time and energy to gaining the requisite technical competence and then inquiry into this specific case can draw no conclusions, just as they could not in other cases such as those mentioned. On (B), what's been presented seems to me very weak. Thus it's claimed that it's impossible that so many things could have gone wrong -- but we know perfectly well that that's the case constantly, very recently in fact. Take the flight of bombers carrying nuclear weapons over the US a few weeks ago, violating every imaginable security measure -- and extraordinarily dangerous: one engine failure might have made 9/11 look like a tea party. Or take the astonishing failure of US and foreign intelligence, homeland security, and everyone else to prevent someone with a very dangerous disease -- who they had identified and were tracking -- from entering the country on an ordinary commercial flight, with potentially extremely serious consequences (or even to apprehend him when he was here). And on, and on. And if one wants to concoct theories, why not argue that if it was a controlled demolition, the finger points directly to Osama bin Laden. How else can we explain the fact that Saudis were implicated (his prime enemy, and very valued allies of the Bush administration, who had to quickly fly Saudi businessmen out of the country in violation of airspace controls, apparently), not Iraqis -- thus undermining the goal of attacking Iraq? Not that I believe this, of course, but it's at least as credible as the theses put forth. And on, and on.

    Those who feel that it is a high priority for them to explore this topic have every right to do so, though the sanctimonious and self-righteous denunciations of those who do not follow along are another feature of the Truth Movement that differentiates it sharply from activist movements. Personally, I feel that there are much higher priorities. But that's for each person to judge.
    • parabolee, on 11/13/2007, -10/+32Not sure I agree with him. But I certainly agree with the manner in which he debates, the respect he has for those that he does not agree with and the genius that he is.

      However I think it should be noted that Noam does believe that this administration had prior knowledge and did nothing to prevent it. I agree with that, however it does seem to me that they also "helped" it happen too. Call it an inside job if you will. But as Noam states there are bigger issue's, it;'s just that this one seems to underlie them.

      I tend to feel that the "truth" movement are often unnecessarily hostile to those that disagree too. And he makes a great point about Saudi Arabia being implicated and if the goal was to invade Iraq, why not implicate them?
      • 98percentcogdis, on 03/25/2008, -1/+4That is a one sided statement. Have you observed the unnecessarily hostile attitude of those that disagree with us? I feel that it wouldn't be quite so nauseating if they were able to use a little imagination, but how many times have we had to tolerate their inanely uttered " tin foil hat?" I find that there is a multi-national elite that causes havoc everywhere in the world.
        • wakananda, on 11/13/2007, -3/+3I agree. Those who believe that the official "investigation" was a cover-up frequently express exasperation with dutiful media-believers, and we have the strength of our convictions - but from the other side we see real hatred, vicious name-calling, and frank, open threats. Sorry, Noam. You've backed away from the issue elegantly, but the "denunciations" are coming from proponents of the official conspiracy theory, who decidedly do NOT believe that "an independent investigation might clear the air." Sanctimony? The myth of 9/11, the official conspiracy theory, is a sacred pillar of patriotic faith, not to be questioned. They are sanctimonious. They denounce. And their denunciations - frequently edging into threats - have increasing state power behind them.
        • Speed, on 11/13/2007, -6/+3Probably because you people make yourselves out to be nutters. "OH MY GOD!!! 9/11 IS A LIE! YOU ARE A BUNCH OF SHEEP! LOUD NOISES". And I still haven't seen any real evidence that 9/11 was committed by the US Gov't. Bush can't even run a war in Iraq that every one knows about, how is he supposed to pull off a covert terrorist attack?
    • RoyLuhza, on 11/13/2007, -33/+6Naom Chomsky another hair on the ass of treasonous political and academic collusion… he said he’s, … highly skeptical about Bush Administration involvement in perpetrating 9/11 …no plane in Pennsylvania nor at the Pentagon, where images show the very real vapor trail from a cruise missile streaking toward impact. This old wanker, says he can't see any reason to be anything but sceptical.

      Responding to criticism Chomsky said, …he was considering both sides of the argument, …that is one thing, prevarication is another matter altogether. Prevaricators have declared GWB a liar, in the face of his assertion that he witnessed an airplane strike the WTC while he was in a Florida school waiting for the cue that would televise his visit across America, during the scheduled telecast one of his staff told him a second plane had slammed into the towers.

      Academic silence in the face of the present rhetoric directed at Iran and Pakistan. Vice President Richard Cheney has a motive, and there is an established precedent for murdering George W Bush. Cheney’s role in the 911 NORAD stand down renders him liable to suspicion, and thus arrest and detention, the maneuvering by the Israel lobby and the on the record stuff re Larry Silverstein being warned and warning his daughter… Kennedy was killed with the active involvement and support of Lyndon Johnson who went on to escalate the war in Vietnam… The 1981 attack on Pres Reagan was to propel GW Herbert Bush into the presidency, he was in company with the assassin’s people when the attack took place, similarly he was involved thru his CIA work with the assassination of JFK.

      We all at the rough end of the scholarly pineapple, endorsed academia to provide historical imperatives and lawful precedents that warn citizenry from accepting this junk lying down… To remind the populace that historically, campaigners that left their homelands to shock and awe the population of a foreign land, planning thereafter to avail themselves of the fruits and oils of that land, suffered the most humiliating defeats ever recorded in the annals of history…

      Brings us back to the problem GWB has with those with the company he keeps… Should he be slain in an attack that was subsequently blamed on Terrs, Cheney would be propelled into the top job and would claim moral authority to wage global war. That means most probably he would nuke enemy cities by the score then with nukes flying hither and yon, the eugenic agenda of population reduction on a scientific scale begun with war and abortion can really get under way. I am a union man I want to take the whole world out on strike… That’s how I would solve the prob… no one would be going to work until the goddam FBI have arrested Silverstein and Cheney and Poddy an …
      • Lanlost, on 11/13/2007, -0/+3First and foremost, I am against the war. Not for "Blood for Oil" reasons or anything though. That being said, you know what I always wondered? People always talk about how there were no planes at the Pentagon or Pennsylvania. I know everyone thinks the Bush administration is dumb, but if they had any involvement, do you really think they are going to overstep that little detail? IF they did it AND wanted it to look legit, they can't just leave out details like that.
        • wakananda, on 11/13/2007, -1/+2I'd love to see evidence for a plane at the pentagon. But we were told that the plane "vaporized." Are you comfortable with that?
          • Mothrog, on 11/13/2007, -1/+1http://debris.0catch.com/

            What do you think happens to a plane that strikes steel reinforced concrete at 500+ mph? Do you expect it to just fall to the ground in nice big pieces?
          • LucidOne, on 11/15/2007, -0/+1Mothrog, it sure as hell won't vaporize! My God you need a to take a science class!
    • bentman78, on 11/13/2007, -4/+20" There are many holes in the investigation of any historical event that will never be filled"
      There is holes in the theory of evolution too, that doesn't mean it's wrong.
      • funhouse1970, on 11/13/2007, -4/+9that's why he's called a Left Gatekeeper. Noam has never been so eloquent. Oh except when he was defending the Lone Gunman theory. This guy is controlled left.
        • chaosium, on 11/14/2007, -8/+3Hahahah you ***** retards have decided that Chomsky is a NWO plant, this is precious.
    • Drogoganor, on 11/13/2007, -18/+3TROOF
    • ZenMojo, on 11/13/2007, -6/+12On this, I have to nail Noam to the wall twice.

      Truthers demonstrate and get arrested and generally piss people off by doing such - failure of his first principle of contest.

      (A) Truthers have submitted papers to science engineering journals, been rebuffed, and often been responded to with equal levels of confusion on the parts of educated minds who dismiss it as inconclusive, (B) "Thus it's claimed that it's impossible that so many things could have gone wrong -- but we know perfectly well that that's the case constantly, very recently in fact." - and more than one person has claimed this, too, is suspicious and worthy of further investigation. - his second principle of contest, thus, falls apart as well.

      Noam has displayed very little understanding of his subject in this case, or at the very least very little good faith in his subject's resources, reach, engagement, and focus.

      I can't subscribe to the Truth Movement for one reason: it is non-critical of its interrogations, often accepting everything that comes across the table as possibility without binding itself to proven facts and pursuing these. While I understand the desire to constantly question something that people refuse to provide answers to, I have to point out that this does not produce progress, it merely produces anger in a mainstream reliant on tidy packages and prima facie faith in its own self-aware biases.

      Now, it's interesting to note that Mythbusters quite succinctly proved that a bullet could perform the "Magic Bullet" dance, which they claim should answer the JFK assassination question, but very little focus has been given to a Federal Judges' hostile treatment of CIA lawyers who, 15 years after all information on the JFK assassination was to be released under order of President Clinton, have still refused to release that information and are suing to keep it classified to this day.

      This is the problem with many people opposed to the "Truthers." They would rather attack the weakest arguments and ignore the strongest to dismiss it all, which is a vulnerability the "Truthers" have for being all-encompassing in its approach. If the Truthers were to disband and become the "Demolitionists," the "Corruptionists," the "Prescientists," and the "Commissionists," then you would see value judgments completely differ and facts come out much faster as everyone chose their favorite subject.

      For instance, the Corruptionists could attack Cheney and Rumsfeld, point out their involvement in other likely acts of corruption, investigate them all, and prosecute accordingly. That would be a strong platform with a trail of evidence going back to the 80's.

      The Commissionists can get testimony from the 9/11 commission about the entire events that were listed, where there were flaws, and get direct testimony from Senators (such as Charles Schumer) and Panelists who HAVE ADMITTED that they threw out evidence in order to preserve the "integrity" of the report by removing partisanship (in other words, not attacking anybody).

      The Demolitionists can deal with MIT and Popular Mechanics (the editor of which is the nephew of ***** Michael Chertoff, but I digress and I don't care because I find the entire argument a little myopic and pointless given there is no evidence to go off of) do whatever they do over there.

      The Prescientists can go after "circumstantial evidence" such as all of those weird coincidences that led to the attack supported by all of the actual proof and testimony of high-ranking officials who have spoken up.

      There's plenty of evidence, but it's all undermined by the tons of NON-evidence that people are tying all of their hopes on. If they didn't have such schizophrenic approaches to the subject maybe people would start to take them seriously and the huge population of the country that is skeptical of the government wouldn't be afraid to tie themselves to nutty loons and would have something to believe in.
      • funhouse1970, on 11/13/2007, -2/+2The schizophrenia stems from counter intellegence disinformation campaigns. It is staggering when you look at the volume of disinfo within the Truth Movement. There is a war going on over the subject.

        Mythbusters proved the Magic Bullet theory? I don't believe it. It is impossible that's why they call it Magic.
        • puto, on 11/13/2007, -1/+3And to add to that, nobody mentions that there were bullet fragments in Connelly's knee. Since the bullet is untouched, I want to know where it came from.
      • chaosium, on 11/13/2007, -2/+3"(A) Truthers have submitted papers to science engineering journals, been rebuffed"

        Because they're unable to offer any empirical evidence towards their side. They're Creationists when it comes to properly documented science.
    • Abomonog, on 11/13/2007, -3/+4Well, there are truths and then there are truths. It's one thing to say that there were 2 shooters at the Kennedy assassination. There is a sound recording of the event that bears this out and even the video shows Kennedy's skull performing a physics defying feat if that bullet was Oswald's that scored the head shot. But it is another thing entirely to claim that 9/11 was a controlled demolition or a CIA plot or something stupid like that. To get the truth there all one has to do is look at the video of George Bush the moment he gets the news. That wide eyed look on his face is the exact same look a deer gives when staring down the headlights of an oncoming semi. That look says it all. The only conspiracy there was a conspiracy to ***** up. And ***** up they did very well on that fateful day.
      The Truth about the Kennedy Assassination is.... We don't really know.
      The Truth about 9/11 is.... Our current leaders are too inept to to stop another attack even with a full months notice detailing the exact time and location of the oncoming attack.

      P.S. I too watch Mythbusters and never saw anything about the Kennedy assassination. What episode was this on?
      • Lanlost, on 11/13/2007, -2/+4The Kennedy assassination for the most part worked out just like they said it. One shooter is perfectly possible. May have had good shot, or may have been lucky, but it wasn't near impossible like most people make it out to be.
    • caleb4mj, on 11/13/2007, -1/+3Unnecessarily hostile? How politely can I put this? Families lost their children, parents and friends because of the lies immediately following 9/11 about air quality. Many Americans died that day, and many more died because we trusted the government and their fraudulent stories. These lies, this fraud, this cover-up, this obstruction of justice, this harboring of terrorists will be our undoing, unless we stop tolerating it. I disagree with Noam and think it takes a lot of courage to stand up against his objection and support this movement.
  • Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -61/+49I just watched Loose Change final cut and it's an excellent movie. I am totally sure 911 was an inside job.
    • ciaran036, on 11/15/2007, -18/+20People are digging you down because they are too stupid to think for themselves. They let themselves be manipulated and lied to by their own government.
      • Drogoganor, on 11/13/2007, -17/+14You troofers just can't drop the self-righteousness, can you?
      • Tenlow, on 11/13/2007, -6/+11So anyone who disagrees is stupid. But you're disagreeing with the government issued statements. Therefore you're stupid.

        I don't listen to stupid people.

        Gotta love that logic.
    • subterfuge, on 11/15/2007, -7/+2TROLL
    • masterm1nd, on 11/15/2007, -7/+1I hope you were being sarcastic.
  • zcopley, on 11/14/2007, -67/+42Everyone needs to watch Loose Change (Final Cut) http://www.loosechange911.com/
    • brharri1, on 11/14/2007, -20/+12NO, Loose Change is terrible, crackpot, horrible documentary. 9/11 was an inside job, but wtf are these dumb ass kids talking about.
    • kingkilr, on 11/14/2007, -13/+28Everyone needs to watch Sahara(2005-Widescreen): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara_%282005_film%2 ...

      Oh, sorry, I thought we were having a stupid comment competition, I'm competitive by nature.
    • nreynolds, on 11/14/2007, -20/+31Every single part of the Loose Change "documentary" has been disproved by actual scientists. Go ahead and think 9/11 was an inside job if you want, but don't use that crap movie as support.
      • cmackattack, on 11/13/2007, -1/+1source? And don't link the popular mechanics BS article either...they are all on the payroll...follow the money, follow the ownership of businesses; you will see the PM report is indeed prejudiced... their father company benefits from the war machine.
    • subterfuge, on 11/13/2007, -5/+4TROLL TROLL IS TROLL
    • Abomonog, on 11/13/2007, -3/+2I'll wait till it comes out on The Pirate Bay.
  • gabeh73, on 11/15/2007, -33/+109google "Operation Northwoods" the government has doen extensive studies and planning of false flag attacks in the past. They have shown that they are perfectly willing to kill a few thousand of us if it will get them the proper shift in public opinion.
    • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -18/+4and by extensive you mean 1
    • bentman78, on 11/13/2007, -20/+7Grow up. The person reponsible for coming up with the operation was fired immediately. That doesn't show the government is willing to kill it's own people, it shows one nutjob is.

      Saying that is like comparing the 19 Muslims that wanted to kill us by flying planes into buildings to all Muslims....
      • ZenMojo, on 11/14/2007, -2/+19To quote LBJ, "Let the ***** sink." Look up "USS Liberty." By the way, Operation Northwoods was approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and nixed by JFK. ONE PERSON stopped it. Now what if ONE of those Joint Chiefs had been president instead?
        • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -2/+0The CIA would have messed it up per SOP of that agency
        • obliviousfool, on 11/14/2007, -0/+3Tweek, we only hear about the things they do when they mess up. When all goes according to plan, we never hear about it. It's just another crashed airplane, or another military coup. We can't really make any guesses about how often they mess up!
        • gabeh73, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1and who was the one guy who stopped operation northwoods? JFK, a guy who had just axed the head of the CIA Dulles...so what if JFK was killed then do you think they could proceed?

          USS liberty is another example of intentionally letting americans die for the prupose of political theatre meant to push the public one way or another. If you do research you can find a lot more...have you looked at the 93 WTC bombing? the OKC bombing?
    • blackhawk919, on 11/13/2007, -15/+4Yeah, just google it. Any old source will do. If it came from google and the internet it has to be true. When you're done here are some more obviously true and interesting things to google:
      Bigfoots
      Spacey mans in flying saucers
      Black helimochopters

      It's all true!
      • Impulsar, on 11/13/2007, -1/+3 http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwo ...
        • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -1/+2no matter how many times you repeat the same tired old information does not increase its relevancy.
        • StGhurka, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2Just read it. I note that all of the suggestions would have resulted in FAKED deaths. There's a big difference between conjecture about sinking an empty ship that results in nothing and murdering thousands of innocent people.

          If you can't see the difference, then it's not because the facts have convinced you of anything, it's because you really, really want to believe that GWB is some great, evil arch-demon commanding his CIA minions to pull all the strings in the world. To admit otherwise would cause you too much cognitive dissonance. Your world view is too simplistic and has no room for other possibilites.
          • gabeh73, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1USS liberty...those weren't fake deaths!
          • eggmunkee, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1Well, since you read it, I'm sure you read these parts:
            - "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miama area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
            - "We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated)."
            - "Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, ... "
            These suggestions lean toward REAL deaths and as it said elsewhere the casualties being reported and causing sympathy is one of the goals of the plan...
    • idiotwithastick, on 11/13/2007, -8/+3Right... so a couple of people came up with these plans, and... wait... why were they rejected again?
      I'm sure there were people who wanted to do this, but in the end, the government decided that it in fact did not want to kill a few thousand of the American people.
      • wakananda, on 11/13/2007, -1/+4Dumbass: Operation Northwoods was cooked up by military brass with connections to the Yankee establishment. It was ***** by John F. Kennedy, who was taken out shortly thereafter by goons of the same Yankee establishment. And by the way:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK81OhCu4GM
      • seadeus, on 11/13/2007, -0/+3As already stated, It was JFK that rejected Northwoods; does that change you thoughts at all? You do know what happened to JFK, right?
        • gabeh73, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1yep...the government didn't nix it...one guy did...JFK and they nixed him real quick.
    • laughmore, on 11/13/2007, -2/+8Was Northwoods mentioned in Loose Change Final Cut -- http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-88 ...
      h_t_t_p://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8834310461960956516&hl
      http://teaparty07.com/
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-883431046 ...
      h_t_t_p://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8834310461960956516
  • Krombo, on 11/15/2007, -44/+29Loose Change FInal Cut is some great info. The people in America want to know what happened on 11 september , but the authorities dont want to find out what happened
    • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -9/+6final cut? until it gets ripped to shreds again?
  • stepnw1f, on 11/15/2007, -19/+61Our government has a lot of explaining to do.
    • crestfall, on 11/13/2007, -7/+2No... Joo gotta lotta 'splainen to do!
  • Look4Truth, on 11/15/2007, -15/+50"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-883431046 ...
  • Catspaw, on 11/15/2007, -32/+34Watch 9/11 The Road to Tyranny by Alex Jones and 9/11 In Plane Site - of course it was criminal elements in the US government! They have a track record of pulling inside jobs.
  • GuacamoleSan, on 11/15/2007, -38/+6AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
  • dukeeeey, on 11/13/2007, -12/+15http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdhmAL7weDY
  • fadeout, on 11/13/2007, -15/+40How common are these names among Arabs? Atta, at least, seems to be a very common surname among people that might be named Mohamad..
    • Mothrog, on 11/13/2007, -15/+9There you go, trying to inject reason and logic in to Trooferland.
      • 2trkpony, on 11/13/2007, -2/+5Wow, another "truth=BAD" short-bus denier does it's homework!

        Pakistan's ISI paid the 9/11 terrorists. They were funded by the CIA.

        Yet even though this has been established Americans won't believe it.

        Ahmad Umar Sheikh wrote a $100,000 check to the " terrorists" (aka: uninformed patsies who had little to do with actually carrying out the attacks..) He paid them on the orders of Mahmoud Ahmad who just happened to be in the presence of Porter Goss and Bob Graham in our nations Capitol building at the moment the attacks began.

        This is why we are so closely connected in such a secretive way to such a regime. This is why George Bush is so quick to defend Pakistan's Musharraf & pay him $100 million per month in untraceable cash transfers:
        http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004658.php

        Why is it in untraceable cash transfers? Drug money. Money laundering. Cash transfer = drug money. Always has, always will. Heroin coming out of Afghanistan, no doubt.

        Iran-Contra all over again. Watergate all over again. Same story. Different methods. You won't be reading or hearing about this from our controlled, corporate press. No surprise.. You do know what those are, do you? with all your capacity for critical thought & logical reason, & all.. {hint: they're not "conspiracy theories!"}

        Bush is also funding a port in Pakistan being built through which nuclear weapons will flow:
        Wow, what a surprise! What could that possibly be used for?
        http://www.app.com.pk/en/index.php?option=com_cont ...

        ...construction of US one billion dollar Deep Sea Container Terminal at Karachi would turn the country into a major transshipment hub for the regional countries, further bolstering Pakistan’s trade and commerce.Addressing after the signing ceremony between the Karachi Port Trust and the Hong Kong based Hutchison Port Holdings limited (HPH).

        Then Wikipedia says:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutchison_Whampoa
        Bahamas Port
        "In March 2006, the Bush Administration was hiring Hutchison Whampoa Limited to help detect nuclear materials inside cargo passing through the Bahamas in a no-bid contract. The CIA had no security concerns about Hutchison's port operations, and Larry M. Wortzel, head of a U.S. government commission that studies China security and economic issues, said Hutchison operates independently from Beijing, and he described Li as "a very legitimate international businessman."

        Just think, in a few years Pakistan will be running the USA along with Israel!

        Further Pakistan 9-11 involvement:
        Pakistan Intelligence ISI General Mahmoud paid for 9/11 using Ahmad Umar Sheikh:
        http://www.nndb.com/people/425/000044293/

        The Cover Up of the Meeting:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Goss

        The Nancy Pelosi aided whitewash
        http://tinyurl.com/k7z9m

        About $10.58 billion has gone to Pakistan since 9/11. That puts Pakistan in an elite category of U.S. foreign-aid recipients: only Israel, Egypt and Jordan get more or comparable U.S. funding. (That's only in the unclassified budget: the covert-operations budget surely includes millions more..)

        Of course, to someone who has been expertly conditioned by the TV media pundits into a false belief system that seeking truth is "a bad thing", and someone who doesn't buy into US govt 9-11 lies is "conspiracy theorist", there's no need to further investigate and prosecute for any of this suspicious activity, right..

        Your kind are the reason the USA is so ***** up beyond all repair. Keep your head in the sand it's comfortable down there. Demonize those who ask questions & demand REAL answers. Continue to call dumb names and TV-news sound-bytes. Keep swallowing your criminal government's lies.
    • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -3/+4if you ever watch the middle eastern news, pretty much everyone has "mohammad" as one of their names
    • theburybrigade, on 11/13/2007, -1/+4These are all reasonably common arabic names, I believe. The spelling discrepancies in transliteration also add another layer of confusion that can fuel these "zomg look they have the same names!" tosh
    • TopherT, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1I was wondering the same thing myself but as you read on you saw that one was an officer, one a doctor and the last a linguist, hardly well trained special forces or terror warfare experts. If they could all be shown to have trained together in an institution like the 'school of the Americas' in which South American troops were trained in torture, guerrilla warfare and counter-intelligence I would truly be suspicious.
    • 2trkpony, on 11/13/2007, -3/+3"Atta, at least, seems to be a very common surname among people that might be named Mohamad.."

      That's quite a coincidence, don't you think? Three of the men identified as the hijackers in the 9-11 attacks have the *exact same names* as 3 alumni of American military schools? Including Mohamad Atta.

      hijackers USA military school alumni,
      - 3 names match identically.

      "Common Arab name" or not, that is a VERY significant coincidence.

      Since 9-11 remains an un-solved crime, this should be fully and completely investigated.

      The name 'Mohamed Atta' shows up as the American Airlines Flight 11 pilot who flew that plane into the North Tower of the World Trade Center.

      Coincidentally, the exact same name 'Mohamed Atta' shows up again proven to have been trained in the United States, as alumni of American military, the International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama.

      This same 'Mohamed Atta' who received US military school training, hijacked & crash-piloted Flight 11 into WTC, also was proven to have received a wire transfer of $100,000, paid to him by Ahmad Umar Sheikh under direct orders of Pakistan's Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) - who just happened to be in the presence of Porter Goss and Bob Graham in The United States Capitol building at the moment the 9-11 attacks began. The check was then deposited into one of Atta's two bank accounts in Florida.

      This Mohamed Atta guy sure gets around!

      But no worries, right..'Atta, at least, seems to be a very common surname among people that might be named Mohamad..'so it's nothing to be concerned about..to someone like you.

      The FBI has confirmed the whole story. Nobody has bothered to check what really happened. There has been no investigation. The 9-11 Commission should have posed very specific questions about it to FBI director Robert Mueller when he testified, but they didn't. They failed.

      If ISI-General Mahmoud Ahmad was really involved in September 11 (after all, he did wire transfer $100,000 into 9-11 terrorist hi-jacker Mohamed Atta's Florida bank account before the attacks..} this means the Pakistani ISI -'the state within the state' - knew all about it.

      Gee, no wonder George W Bush likes Pakistan so much! Could this be reason he freely gives away $100 million dollars US taxpayer money per month in largely untraceable cash transfers to their leader Musharraf? http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004658.php
      Is that why the 9-11 Omission Commission determined it "unnecessary" to follow-up on the many leads?

      And Pakistan is funding Hillary Clinton's campaign for President! This makes Pakistan a US government agency, which then uses taxpayer's money, and Afghan drug money to fund a the Presidential campaign of the next in the Bush-Clinton dynasty! Do I smell a rat?

      And if the intelligence elite in Pakistan knew ISI General Mahmoud Ahmad was involved in September 11, an intelligence elite in Saudi Arabia knew it, as well as an intelligence elite in the US.....get the picture?

      Yet to someone like you, this is merely "coincidence", you'd be stupid to follow up or question it right..Since Mohamad is a "common Arab name"...they're probably each 3 different guys!

      What is less clear is how this same-named 'Mohamed Atta' spent the night of Sept. 10, 2001, in Portland, Maine...or was that a different Mohamed Atta? Perhaps you could explain? After all, it is a "common Arab name"...
      • blackjack75, on 11/13/2007, -1/+2I bet you at least one guy named John Smith got involved into child rape. So I think it's time to punish all these John Smiths.
    • razishaban, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1Actually, Atta is a rather uncommon arab last name. Mohammad is the most common first name globally, so that is uncontested. Abdulaziz al-Omari and Saeed al-Ghamdi are both very uncommon combinations and uncommon names by themselves.
  • SeethisPass, on 11/15/2007, -21/+18Google "FBI knew terrorists training" and you will see a LOT of this material.
    Those tin foil hats must work very well. Get one.
    • valkyries, on 11/13/2007, -6/+1tin foil hats just act like little amps.
    • seadeus, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1Tin foil hats are apparently built better than WTC building 7.
  • mikesbaker, on 11/15/2007, -38/+12great its troofer evening on digg - buried
  • HK4FN, on 11/15/2007, -30/+12Sounds like one of those conspiracy theories no one cares about...
    • 2trkpony, on 11/15/2007, -1/+2Sounds like you've been expertly manipulated not to care about anything unless your TV info-tainment 'news' directs you to..
  • FishHammer, on 11/15/2007, -35/+13god damnit if theres one thing i hate about the internet it's every idiot with a conspiracy theory has a forum to spout ***** with now. that forum today is apparently digg.
    • ciaran036, on 11/15/2007, -5/+17I don't get it. How do you even know it's *****? Just because what you've been told sounds about right doesn't mean it is. The conspiracy theorists are those people who questioned the authenticity of what they were being told by the government and media.
      • Drogoganor, on 11/15/2007, -10/+3...with no rationality or critical thinking skills.

        Just because you "question" something, doesn't make you intelligent.
      • Tweekster, on 11/15/2007, -8/+3they dont question, they make ***** up, then delude themselves into beleiving. you can systamtically take apart their entire arguement, they just switch to the next phase of the grand conspiracy. every single aspect can be completely destroyed, yet they will keep believing the theory. it is a total "i want to believe" poster. no evidence to back any part of it up. tons of evidence refuting every piece of the conspiracy theory, and when you nail them on one aspect, they switch to the next point. it is pathetic. i wonder how many people actually drank the conspiracy koolaid, and how many are simply trolling, its damn hard to tell the difference between the two, then again, both types of people are retarded so maybe there isnt a difference
        • siszam, on 11/15/2007, -2/+5People like you call it delusion even when you're provided with actual government documents or admissions of guilt. You're determined to be ignorant.
  • yellowbox98, on 11/13/2007, -29/+16WATCH LOOSE CHANGE 3 (JUST RELEASED TODAY) FREE:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-883431046 ...
    • Abomonog, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2Not...................................................There
  • Fieri, on 11/15/2007, -19/+37Not saying this is true, but we definitely need a new 9/11 investigation. Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich will do this.

    Get on it people.
    • davewashere, on 11/13/2007, -2/+9Rudy Giuliani has promised a new 9/11 celebration.
      • 2trkpony, on 11/13/2007, -1/+0Mr. Giuliani, several members of the Family Steering Committee attended a meeting with you in 2002 at which time you told us that you were against, and would not support, the formation of an independent commission to examine the events of 9/11.

        Why did you oppose the creation of this commission? Given the revelations that have emerged during commission hearings, do you still regard their work as unimportant and unnecessary? Do you now believe it is beneficial to have the public well informed about the actions of the government, its agencies and its public officials?

        Regarding the air quality of Ground Zero during and after the 9/11 attacks, did the City of New York at any time carryout screenings or tests independent of the EPA? If so, what were the results of those tests? Immediately after 9/11 did you, Mayor Giuliani, have any conversations with Christine Whitman about the air quality at Ground Zero and lower Manhattan? Where are all records of these conversations? What was the substance of these conversations? What actions were taken or not taken as a result of Ms. Whitman’s opinions or recommendations? Were you in agreement with Ms. Whitman’s official position to not deem Ground Zero a superfund site? If so, what was the basis of your reason?

        Please explain the presence of the FBI at the WTC during the two weeks prior to 9/11. Were you informed of their increased surveillance? How was the City of New York included in such increased surveillance? What actions were carried out by the NYPD to facilitate the FBI’s increased surveillance, Mr Giuliani?

        Yet he promises 'a new 9/11 celebration"
        LOL!
    • perot9296, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1Mike Gravel said we need a new one also.
    • 2trkpony, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1"but we definitely need a new 9/11 investigation. Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich will do this."

      That is a fact. They are the ONLY ONES who will be brave enough to impeach the criminals. The rest are treasonous bull ***** who wouldn't have the cojones to save their own life.

      Impeachment is on the table:
      http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/199.html
      Go Dennis!

      Dennis Kucinich is a hero and the US news media, characteristically is ignoring this news. They're too busy will the real news like Britney's Pears child custody battle, Anna Nicole's corpse photos, Dog the Bounty Hunters canceled show, Paris Hilton & her new boyfriend, McDonald's pushing for hipper uniforms, and Panda bears at the zoo. "Now back to Dave with sports"..

      If the traitorous, controlled info-tainment 'news' did by mistake "report" it, it would only be to smear Kucinich "un-american!" "aiding the terrorists" "conspiracy theory!" and so on..you know the drill...
  • yellowbox98, on 11/14/2007, -25/+15Bush Knocked down the Towers, Hitler Burned the Reightage, Freedoms is being taken as it was in Germany:

    Learn the TRUTH:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-649546276 ...
    • Mothrog, on 11/13/2007, -5/+2It's spelled Reichstag, assclown. If you want at least the veneer of being remotely intelligent, you might want to know that.
      • CH3CH2OH, on 11/13/2007, -2/+2And most people (including historians) don't think he burned it down.
        • 2trkpony, on 11/13/2007, -1/+1Where is the proof of the supposed historians who don't think he burned it down?
          • CH3CH2OH, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2Fritz Tobias, The Reichstag Fire. It challenged what was up to then the conventional wisdom and won.
        • 2trkpony, on 11/13/2007, -0/+0"Fritz Tobias, The Reichstag Fire"

          Thanks I'll check it out.
  • DeviantDragon, on 11/13/2007, -10/+46Same names =/= same person
    • Murdats, on 11/13/2007, -3/+5hence the question mark on the title
      • DeviantDragon, on 11/13/2007, -8/+5Except that truthers like to ignore end punctuation at times
    • Matthew720, on 11/13/2007, -5/+7The government proved neither. The onus is on the government to prove they are not the same individuals. The gov't has yet to do so.
    • vertinox, on 11/13/2007, -0/+16Tell that to a TSA agent when you have the same name as someone on a do not fly list.
    • DBNKR, on 11/14/2007, -1/+2=/= ?? What the ***** is that all about?
  • syxle, on 11/15/2007, -24/+31Inside job.
    • TGMD, on 11/15/2007, -7/+6MORON!
      • 2trkpony, on 11/15/2007, -1/+4Only a moron would be so easily tricked into believing the US government had no prior warnings, did everything they could to prevent it, had no prior knowledge or involvement, and wasn't aware of the Pakistani-funded terrorists that were blamed for Flight 11. Nevermind Condoleeza Rice's blatant lying before the 9-11 Omission Commission. 'Faux News hasn't reported it, therefore it isn't" Just believe the official conspiracy theory, keep paying your taxes to fund your Iraq war massacre, don't question anything, you'll be okay like the rest of the 9-11 denier-parrots. Your government LOVES easily manipulated like you. TRUTH = BAD!! Even Bill O'Reilly and Dick Cheney say so.
  • nastronomical, on 11/15/2007, -29/+10and the Digg BS parade continues.........
    • evil-doer, on 11/13/2007, -4/+8are you leading this parade? cause your post sure is bs.
  • hagingtree, on 11/15/2007, -31/+19cant anyone see this is merely a ***** vehicle for these morons to advertise their stupid documentary, which has been debunked by countless real scientists and engineers, Popular mechanics anyone? Who should I trust, someone with a real education or some college freshman who made a video as a school project, hrmm?

    This is a joke, Loose Change has been exposed on nearly every account.
    • ZenMojo, on 11/14/2007, -5/+8The editor of popular mechanics is Michael Chertoff's nephew. That's right, the head of Homeland Security's nephew. And doesn't Loose Change put out new editions as it is debunked? I've never actually watched it myself but they seem to keep up with things.
      By the way, that Pop Mech article was a joke. It provided little evidence except on one of the debates, it just provided a lack of it. A better source is the actual MIT study which it constantly references (which, itself, doesn't actually provide any evidence, it just says that almost everything is inconclusive but debunks the "impossibility" of several truther claims).
    • seadeus, on 11/14/2007, -1/+2I actually read the Popular Mechanics article, and still have it. It didn't "debunk" anything or add anything to the debate. Have you actually read it yourself?
  • zippy757, on 11/15/2007, -23/+5you people are such losers....
  • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -27/+23Because 2 people can't have the same name...

    Talk about reaching.

    To all the 911 was an inside job people. can you please for the love of god post some actual evidence, (evidence, not assertions, lies and ***** that can be disproven in 12 seconds)
    • hagingtree, on 11/13/2007, -12/+1No, they cant, and never will eb able to factually support their claims.

      and by you asking that it is obvious that you are a filthy Nazi scum who helped plan 9/11, or a moronic Republican Sheep!

    • funhouse1970, on 11/13/2007, -3/+13Why go through it again and again on digg? Both sides just cut and paste ridiculous attempts at debunking the other. Meanwhile the debaters minds are made up. And no one trusts any sources.

      That said, the best cases are made here:

      http://www.wtc7.net/
      http://911research.wtc7.net/
      http://ae911truth.org
      • fuzzmeister, on 11/13/2007, -2/+2How about some counter-examples:
        http://debunking911.com
      • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -3/+1like i said, anything that cant be utterly destroyed in 12 seconds. EVERYTHING on those 3 sites can be picked apart piece by piece. Anyone who believes those sites should be steralized because they are in fact total ***** retards and the biggest sheep on the planet
    • seadeus, on 11/14/2007, -0/+2 WTC 7????
  • axessterminated, on 11/13/2007, -21/+4I am in no way a Republican, but what is it with the left-slant on Digg?
    • nblsavage, on 11/13/2007, -10/+11The truthers are not lefties - they are nuts.
    • Drogoganor, on 11/13/2007, -4/+12How is this left?
    • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -9/+1left-slant? if digg gets any further left it goes fulll circle around the political spectrum to the ultra right
    • joshmoney, on 11/13/2007, -3/+14I've found that Digg appears to be really neither left nor right, Democrat or Republican. Its my guess that a majority of Digg users seem to be more libertarian than anything - you will find strong liberal views in regards to liberty and personal choice with a conservative lean for the constitution (Ron Paul anyone?) and traditional liberties such as gun-rights and freedom of speech. just my 2...
      • freezervv, on 11/13/2007, -0/+5This is closest to the truth. Ergo, to Republicans and social-conservatives Digg looks left, and to Democrats and fiscal conservatives it looks a bit right.

        And Fox News really is nuts. So all those stories are just amusingly true.
    • ZenMojo, on 11/13/2007, -0/+5The country has a left-slant.
    • gabeh73, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1your mind is stuck in a near catatonic state where you can only see political views in a two-dimensional paradigm. Therefore you believe extremist on the "left" like Lenin are bad and extremist on the "right" like hitler are bad...therefore Rudy Guliani and Hillary Clinton must be "good" because they are in the "middle"! yea america....and you just freak out when something doesn't conform to your brainwashed political world view.
      You need to wake the F up and go study a nolan chart or read about how ***** easy it has been to manipulate your dumb ass into being happy that we have implemented more than half of the Communist Manifesto!
  • Hetman, on 11/13/2007, -20/+11911 has single handled created more Internet jobs than any other event in the history of the Internet. If you want to find the truth look at where the money goes. Before 911 Alex Jones was just a crazy ass who didn't believe in the Holocaust. And now he is a crazy person who believes 911 was an inside job. Who pays his rent? I know half the fools on digg, it is sad really. Even if 911 was an inside job I still wouldn't be one of those assholes who wear a shirt or put a cumber sticker on his car. This is not fashion its a terrorist attack.
    • funhouse1970, on 11/13/2007, -3/+5Look at where the money goes. The War Profiteers.

      "Look he's cwazy" ad hominem attacks and lies are all you're capable of. AJ may be his own worst enemy with his ranting and raving but if you believed as he did you might be the same way.
    • gabeh73, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1I hope to god Alex Jones has made some good money, he puts on a better show than any of the MSM broadcasters...If I had my way dan rather, peter jennings, Sean Hannity, Bill O reilly would all be flogged after the revolution. Alex Jones should be on national tv even if he has exxagerated or interpretted information a little dramatically at times...he has also pointed out a lot of stuff that is backed up by many sources and is 100% true and should be on the front page of every paper. I'm not to keen on Alex jones economics, but even there he is far better than most in the MSM.
  • ejdmbs, on 11/13/2007, -9/+15Over 6 years to make it to the front page
    • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -1/+16 years, making the front page every single day
  • sobenofear, on 11/13/2007, -16/+5Drat. Soon they will discover that I'm the one who planned, plotted, and carried out every single aspect of 911. I did it. I admit. Guilty. I even was the one that made Bush fall of that Segway.

    People just can't except that fact that 911 happened the way that it did. How about the conspiracy that I replaced all the periods in the dictionary with commas?
    • funhouse1970, on 11/13/2007, -1/+3No people just can't accept that their government and military corporations would do this to their own people just to start a war.

      I can't accept the OCT because it is full of holes. No matter how many times you say 2 + 2 = 5 it still equals four. No matter how many times you look at the videos and say "pancake collapse" due to impact, fire and gravity it still looks like demolition using explosives to me.

      They had plants on the ground as it was happening pushing the OCT. See the "Harley Davidson Guy":
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0wHeekgPqk
      • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -1/+0it may look like that to you, but that is simply because you are an unqualified idiot who should never ever have children.
  • laughmore, on 11/14/2007, -15/+13Loose Change Final Cut -- http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-88 ...
    h_t_t_p://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8834310461960956516&hl
  • mrdoogee, on 11/13/2007, -25/+27Why, if you believe that 9/11 was an inside job, perpetrated by our own government, with willing conspirators from the top to the lowest CIA officer, the why the ***** have you not risen up in revolt, or at least left the country in silent protest?

    I would not and could not live in a country that I believed had killed thousands of its own citizens in a a false-flag attack.
    Fortunately I do not.

    Bush may be a nitwit aristocrat.
    He may be incapable of governing.
    He may have made THOUSANDS of decisions bad for this country.
    He couldn't have pulled off 9/11.
    • laughmore, on 11/15/2007, -13/+8Have you checked out Loose Change final Cut, the answer is there http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-88 ...
      h_t_t_p://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8834310461960956516&hl
      Now you know.
      • Tweekster, on 11/15/2007, -9/+9wow the loose change spammers are out in force today. That movie is FICTION. a documentary shouldnt require that many revisions. Each and every time it gets crushed for being complete and utter *****, yet you drones keep posting it as if it has any basis in reality.
        • SilverStandard, on 11/15/2007, -1/+6Making a ***** documentary is better than sitting at home doing nothing but criticizing people who do take action.
        • Tweekster, on 11/15/2007, -4/+2no it really isnt.
    • extreme01, on 11/13/2007, -2/+18You have to ask why they haven't reopened the investigation. At the very least.
      • ganymede2010, on 11/13/2007, -1/+3Tweekster, we live in a country that's killed millions of indians, en slaved thousands of blacks, hispanics and relegated poor whites to a life time of indentured servitude. So please get the ***** off your high horse. Man is corrupt no matter where you go. So before you put the US government on a pedastal read your ***** history.
        • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -2/+0I didnt know calling and idiot an idiot is putting the US govt on a pedastal. are you stupid or drunk?

          if you could be bothered to read like an adult for 5 seconds you would notice i never once defended the government nor said anything positive in any of my posts. I have been pointing out the retardation of the people that actually believe the idiocy on digg.
    • SilverStandard, on 11/13/2007, -4/+8I love it when people say Bush couldn't have done it because he can't even get Iraq right. A - he's a total puppet and B - the Pentagon plan was to go into Iraq and break it into 3 pieces to stay there at least 50 years.

      Rise up in a revolt? Violent revolutions usually result in a regime as corrupt or more corrupt than the one you are revolting against. That's why we want a peaceful one.

      Leave the country? It's easier to get in out of China. It would take a long time for more than 100 million people to get out. So we should just leave because we don't want to deal with it? Just give up whenever things get hairy?

      "I would not and could not live in a country that I believed had killed thousands of its own citizens in a a false-flag attack.
      Fortunately I do not. " But you do live in a country where your government has payed Israel to test pesticides on children until they die. Sounds crazy, but now declassified.
    • TruthforAll, on 11/13/2007, -2/+9I don't think anyone with half a brain is suggesting that he did it. It has been suggested that he possibly KNEW about it. Big difference in being a puppet or facilitator..
    • ZenMojo, on 11/13/2007, -3/+1Because there are a lot of people with a lot of different opinions who subscribe to one name. That's like asking why all Democrats don't vote for the Green Party, it's just as reasonable an argument.
    • funhouse1970, on 11/13/2007, -1/+5He didn't pull it off. He has been caught.

      And by He I mean Bush, Cheney, and the Coup Junta. The complicit controlled corporate media has to answer for its lies and disinfo.
    • wakananda, on 11/13/2007, -1/+2I'm leaving the country in not-so-silent protest. The expat community I'm establishing myself in has a number of like-minded escapees. We don't want to be in the USA until the US Constitution is restored. Some of us are working on that actively, from afar, and some of us have turned our backs in disgust, to focus on personal goals.
    • seadeus, on 11/13/2007, -1/+1"with willing conspirators from the top to the lowest CIA officer". That's a complete misstatement of any position I've ever heard. Revolt is not the answer, we don't need a French Revolution; where did that get the French?
    • gabeh73, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2I've read a few books on CIA ops and they love to compartmentalize information...most of them have no idea what is going on in anything but their narrow little view. William Colby talked a lot about it in his book. After readign his book I realized he had been mysteriously killed...can't make this ***** up.
  • ciaran036, on 11/13/2007, -17/+14inside job. Do something.
    • Mothrog, on 11/13/2007, -4/+3I shall moo.


      Moo.
      • wakananda, on 11/13/2007, -3/+2Get ready for that sesame seed bun, with a side of barbed wire, *****.
        • Mothrog, on 11/13/2007, -2/+1I are a dairy cow. No bun for me. Barbed wire only when I'm feeling like a little kink.
  • Ianki, on 11/15/2007, -9/+5One thing we can all agree on here is that appealing to the 9/11 commission report, and the details of their lives in America within, would be like auguring with creationist by citing "origin of the species". I guess i really am part of the "sheepale" mases then....... But still, you can't denounce all of main stream media as part of a conspiricy, and then pull an article off the NYT archive from 4 days after the attack. People knew pretty much nothing then, and you can't cherry pick your data.
  • antoniuk, on 11/13/2007, -13/+5Im afraid of americans
    Im afraid of the world
    Im afraid I cant help it
    Im afraid I cant
  • redoctane, on 11/13/2007, -4/+8So? I'll bet that there's a couple of people with the name George Bush. Doesn't mean they're all nutjobs.
  • Beekeeperoli, on 11/13/2007, -14/+59/11 was fabricated and executed by the USA to make real muslims look bad. Al-Queda is also made up by the USA to look like a real terrorist cell. i hope you guys can see this. America will do anything to dominate the planet. Its only the jewish minority in power that does this *****.


    • Drogoganor, on 11/13/2007, -2/+3Yes, Muslim extremists can't be at fault for anything.
      • Beekeeperoli, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1they worked for USA, they were not muslim
        • Tweekster, on 11/13/2007, -1/+0except for that whole praying to allah thing,. but i guess that doesnt count in your anti jew world
  • SilverStandard, on 11/15/2007, -7/+29Being as the US government has staged over 200 false-flag terrorist attacks, 9/11 could may very well be an 'inside job.' Examples: Northwoods, Ajax, Gulf of Tonkin, USS Havana, on and on.
    • fuzzmeister, on 11/15/2007, -4/+2To compare the Gulf of Tonkin to 9/11 is ridiculous. Faking an attack on a purely military ship on the other side of the world is incomparable to executing a real attack on 3000 people in biggest city in the US.
      • seadeus, on 11/15/2007, -0/+2How about the USS LIberty? That wasn't a "fake" attack.
  • laughmore, on 11/13/2007, -9/+3Loose Change Final Cut spammers out now.
    What is this movie about -- here's the link
    http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-88 ...
    h_t_t_p://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8834310461960956516&hl
    I'm gonna watch it just to disprove them, anyone who watched it let me know.

  • Beekeeperoli, on 11/13/2007, -10/+2http://www.radioislam.org/bush/jewishpower.htm

    read this folks
    • Beekeeperoli, on 11/13/2007, -1/+1im getting negative diggs for showing that link? great i must have hit a nerve.....And the truth comes out...thanks guys:)

      • Mothrog, on 11/13/2007, -3/+1More like we don't care for Neo-Nazi douchebags. The best argument against the White Power movement are its members.
    • musicmantrs, on 11/13/2007, -3/+1Some frown upon tracking all of the people of a certain ideology in the government...
      • Beekeeperoli, on 11/13/2007, -1/+2sooo.... just because they are of one ideology/race/religion, we are meant to be what ? ignorant? those are facts...do you want to distort real fact?
  • ibookfast, on 11/15/2007, -12/+17Here's the full version of Loose Change: Final Cut, just posted 11/11/07 on google.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-883431046 ...
    9/11 = inside job, clear as the day they did it.
    • blackjack75, on 11/13/2007, -1/+1That movie is full of supposition and innacuracies. People can be evil enough to take advantage of 9.11 without being smart enough to be able to plan it all and get away with it.
  • smbarnes72, on 11/13/2007, -2/+13I guess according to many we live in a world of coincidences; regardless of the mounting odds against such events occurring. A return to the dark ages of the distant past when the unlearned masses were told what to believe by those in power. Now, there are a significant percentage in our society that would postulate that if you don't believe in the official state propaganda, no matter how non-sensical it seems when mountains of evidence is stacked up seeming to suggest otherwise then you are branded a heretic. There were those such as Copernicus and Galileo who knew the Earth was round regardless of the prevailing wisdom of the day and they were not afraid to share their opinions. THE EARTH IS ROUND!!!
  • ProvocateurCrow, on 11/13/2007, -2/+4Mayor Willie Brown, Odigo, Press For Truth, and Senator Mark Dayton. In thee information age.. it amazes me that most people don't have much.
  • smbarnes72, on 11/13/2007, -7/+20Let's think about this logically. Sure; there's a chance (albeit small) that three separate Arabic individuals would have the same identicals names as 3 of the hijackers. It could happen. But factor in just some of the other awe inspiring odds from that day. The fact that military drills detailing similiar attacks being held at the exact same time and date; the fact that the twin towers and building 7 are the only steel framed skyscrapers to have collapsed due to fires and the fact that countless witnesses reported the sound of explosions going off around the WTC complex. So, who is delusional? Some people either can not face the facts for fear of shattering their political ideology or perhaps they are paid to offer these opinions. There have been many stories since 9/11 that the US military are now imploring teams of internet users to focus the public's opinion on certain subjects such as the war. Could it be that we have some of these people in our midst?
    • STKD, on 11/13/2007, -3/+4Nice to see that ***** "only steel buildings ever to fall" argument being dredged up once again. Always amuses me that you people who claim to love the research have never actually checked on that one for yourselves.
      • smbarnes72, on 11/13/2007, -2/+4OK; give me examples of other STEEL FRAMED SKYSCRAPERS that have fallen due to fire? Also, keep in mind the laws of physics; the temperature that jet fuel burns and the melting point of steel... the fact that huge pools of molten metal were found beneath the towers weeks after 9/11 and that IF fire somehow was the cause wouldn't it be that fire on one side of the building would weaken one side over the other side. Those towers collapsed straight downward. Nevermind all of the brave first responders who witnessed explosions going off in the buildings.
        • Mothrog, on 11/13/2007, -2/+2To both of you imbeciles, did you miss the nice big planes crashing in to the buildings before the fires? How many other steel buildings that you refer to have had Boeings crash in to them at cruising speed?
        • bingobongony, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2Who cares if they are skyscrapers or a BRIDGE...The SF brdige collapse showed that heat from a fire can weaken STEEL structures enough to cause a collapse.
          Not to mention...if you have ANY idea what you were tlaking about, you would know that the way the building came down was NOT indicative of a controlled demolition. Which is kind of why EVERY independent demolition expert has come out against that troofer theory.
        • Frei, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/militar ...

          Also, "Nevermind all of the brave first responders who witnessed explosions going off in the buildings." No one said that, stop putting words in peoples mouths. You have no respect.

      • card51short, on 11/13/2007, -2/+5no steel framed building has ever fallen except by controlled demolition.
      • seadeus, on 11/13/2007, -1/+2Why didn't you state any examples? That would appear to be both simple and obvious-- if your statement were true.
        • bingobongony, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2SF bridge. April 29, 2007. The fact that it wasn't a skyscraper is irrelevent. IT was made of steel, and was designed for ATR LEAST as much of a margin of safety as the WTC trusses. And the steel was heated enough by the fire that it losts its integrity.
    • bingobongony, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2Honestly smbarnes...how badly do you want to make yourself look like a ***** idiot? You jsut keep repeating the same crap that has been PROVEN to be *****. I mean, it was a bad enough chalenge before the SF bridge collapse (due to nothing but fire..not even a huge explosion that weakened the trusses like WTC 1 and 2, or a buge building falling on top of it like WTC 7...and yes...debris DID fall on WTC 7.) but being that it JUST happened so recently, how on earth can you still ask that?
  • gardnert1, on 11/13/2007, -12/+2You're ALL wrong. IT WAS ALIENS!!! I have PROOF.... but I won't show you because you're not worthy. =P

    /sarcasm
  • xcbxcb, on 11/13/2007, -7/+6If the administration is so cunning and brilliant that they were able to plan and pull off 9/11, why couldn't they plant a single WMD in Iraq?
    • laughmore, on 11/13/2007, -2/+9Perhaps Marvin Bush wasn't leading the Invasion of Iraq like he did the security of the World Trade Buildings prior to 911.
      http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html
      h_t_t_p://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html
      Revamping the elevator system by Ace Elevator prior to 911, come on, http://www.911blogger.com/node/12461 Amazingly this Company is bankrupt now, now that's how you cover it up.
    • Beekeeperoli, on 11/13/2007, -3/+2ahhh yeah...it was on their own soil man, i can do a ***** im my backyard no problemo, you think my neighbour will mind if i take a dump in his yard? have a think about that before you reply
    • jrb112476, on 11/13/2007, -0/+3they didnt need to
      • cmackattack, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1exactly...no need...they are already there now.
    • card51short, on 11/13/2007, -3/+5well now you're getting deep into the "conspiracy".
      The goal is to bring the US and freedom down. It's to demonize us worldwide and then bring down our borders.
      I know it sounds crazy but it answers your question.
      They don't care about America. They are international bankers and hate seeing a middle class.
      "The administration" didn't do 9/11. A certain faction inside the government certainly did.
    • seadeus, on 11/13/2007, -1/+2card51short nails this one. Think in terms of the big picture. Consider how they search citizens at the airport, all the while the border is wide open. Don't you see the absurdity of that? Until you consider what card51 wrote, then it does all come together into a coherent plan.
  • offspring06, on 11/13/2007, -2/+22The whole events surrounding 9/11 looked fishy from the beginning.
  • 2bees, on 11/13/2007, -10/+3I can't understand how inconsistant the Bush haters are. Either he's too stupid to run America or he's a frickin' genius and pulled off something as huge as 9/11 Which is it?
    • kuragami, on 11/13/2007, -3/+5If you understood how the system works you would know that Bush is on strings. Lets try and not give him credit for things he personally couldn't possibly do. Those below and above him are however far more competent.
    • laughmore, on 11/13/2007, -4/+4Ask Dick Cheney who was in the bunker well before 9:30 am on 9-11 and Norman Mineta who witnessed the count down 40-30-20-10 miles out, do the orders still stand, Cheney: off course they do" Guess he wasn't talking about shooting down those planes. Thank God the Russians didn't attack the U.S. with more than 4 planes in the 80s-90s, I mean who really believes that anything other than a complete stand down would have prevented the U.S. defenses from intercepting those planes with F16 planes flying at 1500mph in the time before this paragraph is written.
    • DashingLeech, on 11/13/2007, -2/+5Not that I believe any of this stuff (though it's not THAT big of a stretch), but answering your question is easy. Bush is an idiot. His backers, who are pulling the strings, are the smart ones. At least if you go for these explanations.
    • card51short, on 11/13/2007, -2/+2its not a stretch at all. It's the oldest trick in the book.
      Wake up, please people...just look into it at least.
  • JamesTorrence, on 11/15/2007, -8/+6Poster is a naive jack ass. I went to a 500 student military school in Georgia along with at least 40 or 50 Muslims from the middle east. In Egypt, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere young men are allowed shorter mandatory military service if they attend high school or college over seas. These are basically just middle and upper middle class Muslims who's families can afford to buy them a better education and reduce their military service. So yes, it's highly possible that some of the hijackers are in fact the same guys who went to American military school. So what? 10's of thousands of middle eastern and Muslim people went to American military school, and yes, some of them almost certainly hate America. Military schools are private institutions completely unrelated to the military. You definitely can't learn anything secret or classified at one, with the possible exception of west point. I ***** hate delusional people. If half of you understood anything about basic human nature then the world wouldn't be as manipulatable as it is.
    • card51short, on 11/13/2007, -3/+4calm down with all your hate and look into all the evidence before you draw a conclusion.
      Start here:
      www.patriotsquestion911.com
    • blackjack75, on 11/13/2007, -1/+1Lots of evidence... but you don't have the skills to understand any of them (hence to know if they are valid).
    • gabeh73, on 11/13/2007, -0/+1ya I grew up in Montgomery Alabama and went to Maxwell air force base all the time. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awchome.htm

      My grandpa went to West Point and we had lots of family friends who went to programs at the war college..it was not a private school...it was run by the government and there was definitely high level secretive stuff going on there. I think it is spooky as hell that a 9-11 hijacker was trained there, when I know they would have drawn guns on me if I had wandered too far off the soccer fields onto the area I was supposed to go to.
  • KLowD9x, on 11/15/2007, -10/+4To those of you who think that 9-11 was an inside job:

    Stab yourself in the balls.
  • emja, on 11/13/2007, -6/+3c'mon guys, this article is over six years old.
    • smbarnes72, on 11/13/2007, -1/+7That's exactly the point. The article is 6 years old and how many people have seen it? It has often been said that the most accurate news comes during and right after an event when there is a great deal of ensuing chaos and things slip through the cracks that normally wouldn't in our controlled media.
  • dkern, on 11/13/2007, -3/+8Regardless of whether or not 9/11 was an inside job- the official story is about as ludicrous as some of the way-out-there conspiracy theories. Being backed by Popular Mechanics is about as relevant as Rush Limbaugh being backed by Sean Hannity. I like many of my fellow Americans believe that there is something very fishy about 9/11 and the gutless cowards in Washington will make sure we never know the entire truth. This is a very sad fact which has and will continue to lead this once great nation into complete destruction- which, considering all that has and is going on- a very karmic conclusion. Also on a sadder note- the children of tomorrow will have to bear the shame of the American legacy- and they do not deserve such a ***** inheritance. Its all a big ***** lie and its getting bigger everyday- Is it any wonder why people believe such far-fetched conspiracy theories?

    Personally my favorite is David Icke's theory that the world is being run by reptilian aliens who live underground- I would like to think that human beings are not capable of such atrocious and odious monstrosities and reptilian aliens would be a great species to blame!
    • Mothrog, on 11/13/2007, -4/+1"Being backed by Popular Mechanics is about as relevant as Rush Limbaugh being backed by Sean Hannity"

      You do grasp that they aren't just backed by Popular Mechanics, they're backed by pretty much all qualified structural engineers? The 9/11 troofer movement is about comparable to Intelligent Design vs. Evolution. Sure, there are some uneducated schmucks that follow Intelligent Design and point out supposed holes in the theory based on their ignorance, but anyone with any education in the matter whatsoever knows it's a giant load of *****.
    • jaymzdean, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2While I agree that the official story is ludicrous, I can't agree that every alternative is far-fetched or somehow linked to David Icke. Clever, but no.
    • MadDogMan, on 08/17/2008, -0/+0The 911 attacks really were an inside job. Check out Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth and Scholars for 911 Truth. Also Alex Jones is a great source for info about the cover-up. I think that the best thing that we can all do is to become as knowledgeable about the events of 911 and the subsequent cover-up and white wash and share the truth with as many people as possible. Hopefully, they too will share the truth with others in turn until the scum responsible are sitting atop a whole country that knows them for the lying psychopaths that they are. We need to make haste so that we can still use what is left of the political process while we still have it. It is without doubt that rogue elements within and without the US Goverment colluded on 9 September 2001 to cause the deaths of numerous American citizens for some delusional political objective.
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