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- inactive, on 11/15/2007, -33/+109google "Operation Northwoods" the government has doen extensive studies and planning of false flag attacks in the past. They have shown that they are perfectly willing to kill a few thousand of us if it will get them the proper shift in public opinion.
- stepnw1f, on 11/15/2007, -19/+61Our government has a lot of explaining to do.
- DeviantDragon, on 11/13/2007, -10/+46Same names =/= same person
- Look4Truth, on 11/15/2007, -15/+50"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-883431046 ... - fadeout, on 11/13/2007, -15/+40How common are these names among Arabs? Atta, at least, seems to be a very common surname among people that might be named Mohamad..
- SilverStandard, on 11/15/2007, -7/+29Being as the US government has staged over 200 false-flag terrorist attacks, 9/11 could may very well be an 'inside job.' Examples: Northwoods, Ajax, Gulf of Tonkin, USS Havana, on and on.
- parabolee, on 11/13/2007, -10/+32Not sure I agree with him. But I certainly agree with the manner in which he debates, the respect he has for those that he does not agree with and the genius that he is.
However I think it should be noted that Noam does believe that this administration had prior knowledge and did nothing to prevent it. I agree with that, however it does seem to me that they also "helped" it happen too. Call it an inside job if you will. But as Noam states there are bigger issue's, it;'s just that this one seems to underlie them.
I tend to feel that the "truth" movement are often unnecessarily hostile to those that disagree too. And he makes a great point about Saudi Arabia being implicated and if the goal was to invade Iraq, why not implicate them? - offspring06, on 11/13/2007, -2/+22The whole events surrounding 9/11 looked fishy from the beginning.
- Fieri, on 11/15/2007, -19/+37Not saying this is true, but we definitely need a new 9/11 investigation. Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich will do this.
Get on it people. - ZenMojo, on 11/14/2007, -2/+19To quote LBJ, "Let the ***** sink." Look up "USS Liberty." By the way, Operation Northwoods was approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and nixed by JFK. ONE PERSON stopped it. Now what if ONE of those Joint Chiefs had been president instead?
- vertinox, on 11/13/2007, -0/+16Tell that to a TSA agent when you have the same name as someone on a do not fly list.
- bentman78, on 11/13/2007, -4/+20" There are many holes in the investigation of any historical event that will never be filled"
There is holes in the theory of evolution too, that doesn't mean it's wrong. - extreme01, on 11/13/2007, -2/+18You have to ask why they haven't reopened the investigation. At the very least.
- kingkilr, on 11/14/2007, -13/+28Everyone needs to watch Sahara(2005-Widescreen): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara_%282005_film%2 ...
Oh, sorry, I thought we were having a stupid comment competition, I'm competitive by nature. - smbarnes72, on 11/13/2007, -7/+20Let's think about this logically. Sure; there's a chance (albeit small) that three separate Arabic individuals would have the same identicals names as 3 of the hijackers. It could happen. But factor in just some of the other awe inspiring odds from that day. The fact that military drills detailing similiar attacks being held at the exact same time and date; the fact that the twin towers and building 7 are the only steel framed skyscrapers to have collapsed due to fires and the fact that countless witnesses reported the sound of explosions going off around the WTC complex. So, who is delusional? Some people either can not face the facts for fear of shattering their political ideology or perhaps they are paid to offer these opinions. There have been many stories since 9/11 that the US military are now imploring teams of internet users to focus the public's opinion on certain subjects such as the war. Could it be that we have some of these people in our midst?
- ciaran036, on 11/15/2007, -5/+17I don't get it. How do you even know it's *****? Just because what you've been told sounds about right doesn't mean it is. The conspiracy theorists are those people who questioned the authenticity of what they were being told by the government and media.
- nreynolds, on 11/14/2007, -20/+31Every single part of the Loose Change "documentary" has been disproved by actual scientists. Go ahead and think 9/11 was an inside job if you want, but don't use that crap movie as support.
- joshmoney, on 11/13/2007, -3/+14I've found that Digg appears to be really neither left nor right, Democrat or Republican. Its my guess that a majority of Digg users seem to be more libertarian than anything - you will find strong liberal views in regards to liberty and personal choice with a conservative lean for the constitution (Ron Paul anyone?) and traditional liberties such as gun-rights and freedom of speech. just my 2...
- smbarnes72, on 11/13/2007, -2/+13I guess according to many we live in a world of coincidences; regardless of the mounting odds against such events occurring. A return to the dark ages of the distant past when the unlearned masses were told what to believe by those in power. Now, there are a significant percentage in our society that would postulate that if you don't believe in the official state propaganda, no matter how non-sensical it seems when mountains of evidence is stacked up seeming to suggest otherwise then you are branded a heretic. There were those such as Copernicus and Galileo who knew the Earth was round regardless of the prevailing wisdom of the day and they were not afraid to share their opinions. THE EARTH IS ROUND!!!
- funhouse1970, on 11/13/2007, -3/+13Why go through it again and again on digg? Both sides just cut and paste ridiculous attempts at debunking the other. Meanwhile the debaters minds are made up. And no one trusts any sources.
That said, the best cases are made here:
http://www.wtc7.net/
http://911research.wtc7.net/
http://ae911truth.org - danarama, on 11/13/2007, -2/+10but they'd do it anyway j
- card51short, on 11/13/2007, -2/+10WWW.PATRIOTSQUESTION911.COM
WWW.AE911TRUTH.ORG
All deniers in here = owned.
You can deny 9/11 is an inside job all you want. But you can't deny we have credible people on our side.
Robert Bauer (the movie Syriana was based on his life) , Gore Vidal, Michael Moore, Robert Bowman (head of the Star Wars project under Regan), Ray McGovern (member of the Bush cabinet for the first 4 years), Joseph Stiglitz, Andreas von Bulew and many others all think 9/11 was an inside job.
To those of you who immediately disregard the "conspiracy", you haven't even researched 9/11 at all yet you believe the official story. Watch the movies for free. Question them all.
Find the truth. - inactive, on 11/13/2007, -4/+12How is this left?
- davewashere, on 11/13/2007, -2/+9Rudy Giuliani has promised a new 9/11 celebration.
- funhouse1970, on 11/14/2007, -2/+9Why did it take 441 days for the Cheney/Bush Administration to even start and investigation?
Most other national investigations of this magnitude are started within a week.
Bush and Cheney wouldn't even testify under oath or in public. AND they testified at the same time with Jr. holding Dick's hand. - laughmore, on 11/13/2007, -2/+9Perhaps Marvin Bush wasn't leading the Invasion of Iraq like he did the security of the World Trade Buildings prior to 911.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html
h_t_t_p://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html
Revamping the elevator system by Ace Elevator prior to 911, come on, http://www.911blogger.com/node/12461 Amazingly this Company is bankrupt now, now that's how you cover it up. - inactive, on 11/15/2007, -24/+31Inside job.
- TruthforAll, on 11/13/2007, -2/+9I don't think anyone with half a brain is suggesting that he did it. It has been suggested that he possibly KNEW about it. Big difference in being a puppet or facilitator..
- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -9/+15Over 6 years to make it to the front page
- ZenMojo, on 11/13/2007, -6/+12On this, I have to nail Noam to the wall twice.
Truthers demonstrate and get arrested and generally piss people off by doing such - failure of his first principle of contest.
(A) Truthers have submitted papers to science engineering journals, been rebuffed, and often been responded to with equal levels of confusion on the parts of educated minds who dismiss it as inconclusive, (B) "Thus it's claimed that it's impossible that so many things could have gone wrong -- but we know perfectly well that that's the case constantly, very recently in fact." - and more than one person has claimed this, too, is suspicious and worthy of further investigation. - his second principle of contest, thus, falls apart as well.
Noam has displayed very little understanding of his subject in this case, or at the very least very little good faith in his subject's resources, reach, engagement, and focus.
I can't subscribe to the Truth Movement for one reason: it is non-critical of its interrogations, often accepting everything that comes across the table as possibility without binding itself to proven facts and pursuing these. While I understand the desire to constantly question something that people refuse to provide answers to, I have to point out that this does not produce progress, it merely produces anger in a mainstream reliant on tidy packages and prima facie faith in its own self-aware biases.
Now, it's interesting to note that Mythbusters quite succinctly proved that a bullet could perform the "Magic Bullet" dance, which they claim should answer the JFK assassination question, but very little focus has been given to a Federal Judges' hostile treatment of CIA lawyers who, 15 years after all information on the JFK assassination was to be released under order of President Clinton, have still refused to release that information and are suing to keep it classified to this day.
This is the problem with many people opposed to the "Truthers." They would rather attack the weakest arguments and ignore the strongest to dismiss it all, which is a vulnerability the "Truthers" have for being all-encompassing in its approach. If the Truthers were to disband and become the "Demolitionists," the "Corruptionists," the "Prescientists," and the "Commissionists," then you would see value judgments completely differ and facts come out much faster as everyone chose their favorite subject.
For instance, the Corruptionists could attack Cheney and Rumsfeld, point out their involvement in other likely acts of corruption, investigate them all, and prosecute accordingly. That would be a strong platform with a trail of evidence going back to the 80's.
The Commissionists can get testimony from the 9/11 commission about the entire events that were listed, where there were flaws, and get direct testimony from Senators (such as Charles Schumer) and Panelists who HAVE ADMITTED that they threw out evidence in order to preserve the "integrity" of the report by removing partisanship (in other words, not attacking anybody).
The Demolitionists can deal with MIT and Popular Mechanics (the editor of which is the nephew of ***** Michael Chertoff, but I digress and I don't care because I find the entire argument a little myopic and pointless given there is no evidence to go off of) do whatever they do over there.
The Prescientists can go after "circumstantial evidence" such as all of those weird coincidences that led to the attack supported by all of the actual proof and testimony of high-ranking officials who have spoken up.
There's plenty of evidence, but it's all undermined by the tons of NON-evidence that people are tying all of their hopes on. If they didn't have such schizophrenic approaches to the subject maybe people would start to take them seriously and the huge population of the country that is skeptical of the government wouldn't be afraid to tie themselves to nutty loons and would have something to believe in. - laughmore, on 11/13/2007, -2/+8Was Northwoods mentioned in Loose Change Final Cut -- http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-88 ...
h_t_t_p://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-8834310461960956516&hl
http://teaparty07.com/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-883431046 ...
h_t_t_p://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8834310461960956516 - smbarnes72, on 11/13/2007, -1/+7That's exactly the point. The article is 6 years old and how many people have seen it? It has often been said that the most accurate news comes during and right after an event when there is a great deal of ensuing chaos and things slip through the cracks that normally wouldn't in our controlled media.
- freezervv, on 11/13/2007, -0/+5This is closest to the truth. Ergo, to Republicans and social-conservatives Digg looks left, and to Democrats and fiscal conservatives it looks a bit right.
And Fox News really is nuts. So all those stories are just amusingly true. - Tenlow, on 11/13/2007, -6/+11So anyone who disagrees is stupid. But you're disagreeing with the government issued statements. Therefore you're stupid.
I don't listen to stupid people.
Gotta love that logic. - ZenMojo, on 11/13/2007, -0/+5The country has a left-slant.
- funhouse1970, on 11/13/2007, -4/+9that's why he's called a Left Gatekeeper. Noam has never been so eloquent. Oh except when he was defending the Lone Gunman theory. This guy is controlled left.
- ibookfast, on 11/15/2007, -12/+17Here's the full version of Loose Change: Final Cut, just posted 11/11/07 on google.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-883431046 ...
9/11 = inside job, clear as the day they did it. - SilverStandard, on 11/15/2007, -1/+6Making a ***** documentary is better than sitting at home doing nothing but criticizing people who do take action.
- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -3/+8Regardless of whether or not 9/11 was an inside job- the official story is about as ludicrous as some of the way-out-there conspiracy theories. Being backed by Popular Mechanics is about as relevant as Rush Limbaugh being backed by Sean Hannity. I like many of my fellow Americans believe that there is something very fishy about 9/11 and the gutless cowards in Washington will make sure we never know the entire truth. This is a very sad fact which has and will continue to lead this once great nation into complete destruction- which, considering all that has and is going on- a very karmic conclusion. Also on a sadder note- the children of tomorrow will have to bear the shame of the American legacy- and they do not deserve such a ***** inheritance. Its all a big ***** lie and its getting bigger everyday- Is it any wonder why people believe such far-fetched conspiracy theories?
Personally my favorite is David Icke's theory that the world is being run by reptilian aliens who live underground- I would like to think that human beings are not capable of such atrocious and odious monstrosities and reptilian aliens would be a great species to blame! - funhouse1970, on 11/13/2007, -1/+5He didn't pull it off. He has been caught.
And by He I mean Bush, Cheney, and the Coup Junta. The complicit controlled corporate media has to answer for its lies and disinfo. - redoctane, on 11/13/2007, -4/+8So? I'll bet that there's a couple of people with the name George Bush. Doesn't mean they're all nutjobs.
- evil-doer, on 11/13/2007, -4/+8are you leading this parade? cause your post sure is bs.
- SilverStandard, on 11/13/2007, -4/+8I love it when people say Bush couldn't have done it because he can't even get Iraq right. A - he's a total puppet and B - the Pentagon plan was to go into Iraq and break it into 3 pieces to stay there at least 50 years.
Rise up in a revolt? Violent revolutions usually result in a regime as corrupt or more corrupt than the one you are revolting against. That's why we want a peaceful one.
Leave the country? It's easier to get in out of China. It would take a long time for more than 100 million people to get out. So we should just leave because we don't want to deal with it? Just give up whenever things get hairy?
"I would not and could not live in a country that I believed had killed thousands of its own citizens in a a false-flag attack.
Fortunately I do not. " But you do live in a country where your government has payed Israel to test pesticides on children until they die. Sounds crazy, but now declassified. - laughmore, on 11/13/2007, -1/+5Respectfully I cannot disagree more. The controlled demolition of all the victims in the buildings as they are literally pulverized and exploded in the many videos on youtube is as horrifying today as it was on the day it happened. To respect their lives and everyone affected including the victims' families and the nation as a whole in shock is to get at the truth, to put the perpetrators behind bars at the very least. Stand for truth, make this your legacy.
- clayasaurus, on 11/13/2007, -2/+6www.zeitgeistmovie.com
Answers a crapload of questions and breaks it down so the average person can understand the monumental problems we as humanity are facing. - notque, on 11/15/2007, -43/+47Noam Chomsky on the topic of truth movements, independent investigations, etc.
I've been (publicly) in favor of an independent investigation for a long time. There are many holes in the investigation of any historical event that will never be filled, but an independent investigation might help clear the air. As for the theories now put forth, they have two crucial properties, in my opinion:
(1) they draw enormous amounts of time and energy away from serious activism on urgent matters (and may well be welcome to those in power for that reason, as the JFK assassination investigations have been, so internal government documents indicate). It's also a rather striking fact that the Truth Movement differs so radically from activist movements in not taking any of the usual steps that are standard under far more difficult circumstances, ranging from demonstrations, tax resistance or more direct resistance and other forms of CD, law suits, referenda, political action -- in fact, just about anything.
(2) what has been presented is not very credible. Evidence is of two types: (A) physical, (B) circumstantial. On (A), no one, to my knowledge, has been willing to undertake even the first minimal step considered to be a routine obligation by those who think they've made a physical discovery, whether it's about cold fusion, intelligent design, global warming or HIV-AIDS skepticism, or anything else: submit a paper to a science-engineering journal (and I don't mean the Journal of Intelligent Design). Hence those who do not want to devote a huge amount of time and energy to gaining the requisite technical competence and then inquiry into this specific case can draw no conclusions, just as they could not in other cases such as those mentioned. On (B), what's been presented seems to me very weak. Thus it's claimed that it's impossible that so many things could have gone wrong -- but we know perfectly well that that's the case constantly, very recently in fact. Take the flight of bombers carrying nuclear weapons over the US a few weeks ago, violating every imaginable security measure -- and extraordinarily dangerous: one engine failure might have made 9/11 look like a tea party. Or take the astonishing failure of US and foreign intelligence, homeland security, and everyone else to prevent someone with a very dangerous disease -- who they had identified and were tracking -- from entering the country on an ordinary commercial flight, with potentially extremely serious consequences (or even to apprehend him when he was here). And on, and on. And if one wants to concoct theories, why not argue that if it was a controlled demolition, the finger points directly to Osama bin Laden. How else can we explain the fact that Saudis were implicated (his prime enemy, and very valued allies of the Bush administration, who had to quickly fly Saudi businessmen out of the country in violation of airspace controls, apparently), not Iraqis -- thus undermining the goal of attacking Iraq? Not that I believe this, of course, but it's at least as credible as the theses put forth. And on, and on.
Those who feel that it is a high priority for them to explore this topic have every right to do so, though the sanctimonious and self-righteous denunciations of those who do not follow along are another feature of the Truth Movement that differentiates it sharply from activist movements. Personally, I feel that there are much higher priorities. But that's for each person to judge. - card51short, on 11/13/2007, -2/+5no steel framed building has ever fallen except by controlled demolition.
- theburybrigade, on 11/13/2007, -1/+4These are all reasonably common arabic names, I believe. The spelling discrepancies in transliteration also add another layer of confusion that can fuel these "zomg look they have the same names!" tosh
- ZenMojo, on 11/14/2007, -5/+8The editor of popular mechanics is Michael Chertoff's nephew. That's right, the head of Homeland Security's nephew. And doesn't Loose Change put out new editions as it is debunked? I've never actually watched it myself but they seem to keep up with things.
By the way, that Pop Mech article was a joke. It provided little evidence except on one of the debates, it just provided a lack of it. A better source is the actual MIT study which it constantly references (which, itself, doesn't actually provide any evidence, it just says that almost everything is inconclusive but debunks the "impossibility" of several truther claims). - Kombaiyashii, on 11/13/2007, -1/+4I used to believe these conspiracy theorists are crazy and made fun of many of them on here but when I saw WTC 7 collapse in 7 seconds my mouth just dropped to the floor. That was a controlled demolition. Why would they rigg a building with explosives straight after the other two collapsed when they could be focussing on the rescue effort? There's something really ***** up with 9/11 and I will never trust my government again.
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