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- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -30/+76There is a Very Big Difference between Pastors Hagee and Wright.
Hagee says "Send more minority kids to fight for Israel."
Wright says "Don't send minority kids to fight for Israel."
See why Hagee lives in a mansion and gets "protection" from MSM scrutiny? - blindhammer, on 05/01/2008, -12/+54Yay! Religion! Dividing people since the dawn of civilization! Yay!
- MrErr, on 05/01/2008, -21/+62Yes we should expose Haggee. He is has crazy ideas and they are not Christian.
- ruyen, on 05/01/2008, -13/+51No. McCain has never said he was outraged at Hagee's comments or that he was misunderstood, that's the problem. In fact he actually pursued his endorsement. Something Obama didn't do with Wright.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -19/+50Hagee wants to kill most of the world's population so that Jesus comes back and gives the promised land back to god's chosen people. I think this is a few orders of magnitude worse than anything Wright believes in.
- alwor, on 05/01/2008, -18/+47Discriminating media, much?
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -20/+42Can't we just focus on the issues? All this religious ***** is irrelevant.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/01/2008, -32/+52Has McCain ever defended Hagee as being "misunderstood" only to then to turn around and say he was ourraged a few weeks later?
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -13/+29Hagee is McCain's pastor now?
Wow, you haven't been following this very closely have you? - Habemus, on 05/01/2008, -17/+32Has McCain ever regularly attended Hagee's church?
Has McCain ever even been to Hagee's church?
Has McCain ever endorsed Hagee as his spiritual leader or mentor? - lhbaker, on 05/01/2008, -16/+30Thank the Lord we won't be voting for our candidates becuase of what their pastors think. Oh, *****....
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -11/+24Thank you. In fact, Mccain has gone so far as to practically endorse Hagee's views, in that he commented that he admired Hagee's pro-Israel stance. Makes me feel good, knowing a presidential candidate admires the stance of a man who is pro-Israel because he believes it's part of bringing about the end of the world.
You can go on all you want about Obama's personal relationship with Rev. Wright, but that's just it - it's his personal relationship, and frankly doesn't add up to a hill of beans. In no way in his entire campaign has Obama said or done anything to suggest that he agrees with Rev. Wright's views. We all associate with people with crazy views, hell, most of us are related to them - does it mean that you endorse a friend's crazy views if you don't stop associating with him after he makes those views known? I have a friend who's a rabid Creationist - does that mean that I secretly have a Creationist agenda? Back when I wasn't an atheist, my priest was very firmly anti-gay. Does that make me have some sort of anti-gay agenda? - masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -5/+18Really? Do you have any evidence or has McCain admitted it? Because your argument looks equivalent to you telling the cop he was the one speeding.
- MikeFallopian, on 05/01/2008, -10/+22McCain's link to Hagee is practically non-existant. He said he was happy to have the guy's endorsement and the votes that entails - what politician wouldn't be? He hasn't endorsed Hagee's nutty views and they don't have any sort of relationship. This is a sad and cynical attempt to balance out the Wright issue - which I agree has drawn an excess of attention.
- masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -9/+21What? Hagee actually isn't spiritual adviser to McCain, and Wight actually is spiritual adviser to Obama.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -14/+26And here we have our dearest racist fascist friend JimmySpaza defending how Israel should nuke Iran and kill 70 million innocent people so that Russia and China attack israel and US comes to Israel's help and... oh, European Union are also the bag guys and according to Haggee, head of European Union is actually the Antichrist in this fairy tale of his!
Anyway, all this ***** should happen so that Jesus comes back, from where and how I dunno! And he'll also give the promised land back to god's chosen people. - masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -13/+25Hahaha, the very reason this is on digg is because b..b..but Hagee. The two relationships (technically one relationship) are not even remotely comparable.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -6/+15Well he sure as hell isn't alone. Read the comment section from any political story on digg.
- masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -9/+18Clever way to frame it. But it's not about the crazy pastor supporting the candidate. It's about the candidate supporting the crazy pastor. I'm not going to be a broken record, you know the difference in the relationships and most likely choose to ignore it.
- dinot, on 05/01/2008, -23/+32....b..b...b...but Wright...
- masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -3/+12I'm going to pretend you are correct, and then ask why it makes Obama and Wright OK.
- Habemus, on 05/01/2008, -5/+13WTF? When did McCain say he "supports" Hagee?
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to make up your own facts. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/01/2008, -13/+21You are correct, Obama said we needed to take Wright's comments "in context." I should have put "outraged" in quotes.
- vinnyvenus, on 05/01/2008, -12/+20John Hagee is not Mccain's pastor. Maccain did not attend Hagee's church for twenty years. Hagee did not baptized Mccain's children. Hagee did not conduct Maccain's marriage. So we cannot compare Hagee and Wright.
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/01/2008, -14/+22#1 One Presidential candidate goes to a church for 20 years with a doctrine of racial superiority that is commit ed to advancing racial values, gives the preacher almost $100,000, makes him part of his campaign, and tells the whole world (including in his book) about how great the preacher is and how they are BFFs.
#2 One Presidential candidate seeks the endorsement of a crazy preacher because he know it will help him get more votes, but doesn't give the guy any money, or change his positions to get the endorsement.
One is bad, one is despicable. - DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/01/2008, -8/+16Please provide a quote from McCain where he says "Hagee is my ad visor" or something equally concrete.
- sonstone, on 05/01/2008, -4/+11You should do some research on the crazy ***** that Hagee says. Here is my favorite quote:
"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ." - inactive, on 05/01/2008, -2/+9Lets fast forward 20 years. If by then McCain hasn't given a big speech on religion in America where he says Hagee is right and everyone else is wrong, then 1 month afterwards doesn't hold a press conference to disown Hagee, then you'll have a point.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -12/+19I'd say an acquaintance is different from a person that is described by a man as being like a father to him, yes.
Your welcome buddy.
Hey, why are you a welfare recipient who sells crack in Harlem? - masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -11/+18Both pastors are completely nuts. Even if one is worse than the other, they're both completely wrong, so I think the relationship to the candidate is key.
- bullcutter, on 05/01/2008, -9/+16"Wright hates America and Israel."
proof please. at least provide some evidence. you can't just say ridiculous ***** and expect it to stand on its own without any backing in reality. - sonstone, on 05/01/2008, -6/+13Because Hagee is a public figure who has openly made his views public and McCain continues to accept the endorsement and speak positively about the man.
- trotskyist, on 05/01/2008, -9/+16As bad a Wright?
Hagee and Wright aren't even on the same planet in terms of crazy. - hittnrun, on 05/01/2008, -0/+6Only people on "the koolaid" would think like you.
- 3tcp, on 05/01/2008, -10/+16The bottom line is that politicians shouldn't have to denounce preachers like this. The application of theology to politics by preachers is not why people go to church. The only reason why Obama got caught up in this mess with his preacher is because the media was pushing the story and white people, scared by fiery black preaching, bit on it.
Politicians have to connect with a huge number of influential people and it's probable that Obama was a member of that church because it's so freakin' huge and they'll all go vote and volunteer for a member of their church.
It's stupid that we even know who Wright is. Obama was the victim of a sensationalist media. He isn't a different candidate than he was 6 months ago, the media just tries to make politicians their bitch by getting them to apologize for irrelevant nonsense.
I've seen more stories trying to bash candidates for their associations in the last few days than I have stories about McCain's health care reform plan the other day. You know, something actually involving the issues... - sonstone, on 05/01/2008, -7/+13True, Hagee ownz Wright in the crazy contest
- IHaveIssues, on 05/01/2008, -5/+11Who give a ***** about Israel. Let them fend for themselves.
- DevilInPgh, on 05/01/2008, -3/+9If you've seen what he's posted elsewhere, you'll know why I'm digging every one of his posts down, whether I agree with them or not.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -0/+6or any story on the dailykos.
- Ne007, on 05/01/2008, -2/+7Meanwhile, as Americans bicker about religious nutjobbery the world has gone to the ***** and is spiraling to a catastrophic *****.of political correctness at the expense of the founding principles of the country.
Never mind the real issues the country is facing like inflation run amok, never-ending war, corporate greed and the suffering, shrinking middle class. - MotherGinSling, on 05/01/2008, -5/+10Your right. Hagee is a hundred times as crazy. He would like to nuke the entire middle east to hasten Armageddon.
- masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -9/+14Holy *****! I hope none of the candidates are long term friends and protégé to those nutjobs.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -6/+11...and those are his good qualities!
he's also fat, looks like jerry falwell, and his a terrible father. his kids chose to live with mommy, despite his country club golf course facing mansion, complete with private fireworks display on july 4th. - DevilInPgh, on 05/01/2008, -7/+12You're forgetting something: being Republican means never having to apologize.
- FairDinkumMate, on 05/01/2008, -2/+7Well you just lost any credibility you ever thought you could create because EVERYONE on DIGG(even Jimmy Spaza) has seen the 15 seconds before the cut-out section of video you just linked to where Rev.Wright says he is quoting AN AMERICAN AMBASSADOR!
Time to create a new alias - MORON! - DRINKxREDxBULL, on 05/01/2008, -7/+12By that logic, every single super delegate is the spiritual advisor of either Clinton or Obama.
Actually, below I lay out the difference. One is bad, one is despicable. - inactive, on 05/01/2008, -7/+12my favorite part of the article was when the NYtimes actually used evidence to back up their claim of bigotry. in fact, about 90% of the article talks about what wright said, and oh about 0% about or what exactly hagee said. only saying that it matches wright's without ever quoting him. but hey, this is the NYT we're talkin about - 3 sentences oughta do it, right?
- DevilInPgh, on 05/01/2008, -1/+6OK, maybe I should start having compassion on you, as you're obviously dyslexic.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -4/+9I really don't get where you're going with this? How can I address the issue when you've just changed it from incorrectly calling Hagee his spiritual advisor to now stating the fact that McCain courted him for an endorsement for the sole purpose of gaining 19,000 votes from active members and free publicity to hundreds of thousands of others via his broadcast ministry. That my friend is a political move. Much like Obama's denouncement of Wright was a political move as well.
So what's your point? Are you expecting me to say that McCain using Hagee for political gain is bad? Sorry, but I don't think it is. Those wackjobs in his flock have to vote for somebody and if you can be that person, go for it. Nobody ever won an election by turning support away and towards another candidate. Considering that Hagee is a *****, I think he's ripe for being used and abused.
As for Obama, his problem was magnified by the fact that he was directly connected for quite some time to Wright, and that Wright was a member of his campaign committee. So you can't say he didn't intend for this to be a part of his campaign. I'd be taking a much harder line on McCain if Hagee was his adviser, either spiritually or in a campaign member capacity. That wasn't the case, so I don't scrutinize the issue as much.
As for right wing....you've got no ***** clue who I'm voting for, or if I'm even going to bother voting in November's farce. -
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